[Dev] Parabola stance on game assets

pribib pribib at bluehome.net
Fri Sep 28 17:06:46 GMT 2018

youtube-dl ytsearch:richard\ stallman

this will search and download the first video of richard stallman

On 28/09/18 14:16, Freemor wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 08:42:45AM -0400, bill-auger wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:31:29 -0300 Freemor wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 04:10:20AM +0100, pribib wrote:
>>>   [...]
>>> I see no freedom issue with youtube-dl as the user MUST supply the
>>> link of what to download.
>>> Basically If we patch youtue-dl not to pull
>>> from non-free sites then we MUST (to be consistent) block ALL
>>> browsers we package from going to those same sites.
>> someone told me that youtube-dl has a search feature - that would be
>> a different situation - i assumed it was only for youtube like
>> minitube
>  From grepping through the man page the only "search" option just lets you use
> fuzzy or broken URLs. It is not a search and list content type affair.
> The only possible issue I see with YTDL is there is a option to list all the
> sites it has extractors for. I'm not sure this qualifies as "recommending"
> those sites and again the user has to specifically ask YTDL to show that.  So
> it is not like some YTDL suggests these things.. It just says I know how to
> work with x,y,z if you directly ask "what can you work with"
>> the one thing that leaps to mind about this is that the amount of work
>> required to rescue all such programs would be enormous - if such a
>> zero-tolerance policy were adopted it would most likely result in most
>> such programs being removed rather than rescued
> Agreed
>>   - and im not saying
>> thats a bad idea - but i am saying that the scope of that decision would
>> reach well beyond games or any other programs purely for entertainment
>> - if the goal is to 1) remove search or import capability, or 2) filter
>>    content, or 3) replace content, or 4) blacklist the entire program;
>> then to give that treatment to any one program would be a significant
>> task - but there are probably hundreds that would deserve it equally
> For me the question is one of user responsibility. It is not Parabola's job to
> infantalize the user and act as a giant cultural filter.
> It is our job to not say "here use this non-free thing."
> If we start getting into "oh No! that can touch/show a non free thing" then we
> are into censorship and that is not a place I'd be comfortable with.
> For me as long as "thing we provide" needs user interaction to reach "non-free
> thing" then the choice to use non-free thing is the users.
> That would leave us with only 2 clear categories to worry about:
> 1.) Includes non free thing
> 2.) loads non free thing automatically without user interaction
> A much smaller set I'm sure
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