[Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
Nicolás A. Ortega
deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net
Tue May 9 16:10:00 GMT 2017
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:44:07PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> I agree, there aren't proves yet
And there haven't been for the past few months since this has started. I
think it's high time we take at least qt5-webengine of the blacklist.
Once someone can actually prove something (which in the past *few
months* no one has managed to do) then it can go back on the blacklist
as we reevaluate evidence. Until then, any discussion on what to do with
'non-free' chromium is just pointless.
> El 09/05/17 a las 12:40, Nicolás A. Ortega escribió:
> > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> >> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this
> >> because, what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will
> >> become a bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free
> >> distros too. Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the
> >> GNU Project, they could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium
> >> like they did with Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").
> > Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU
> > project.
> >> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the
> >> packages that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and
> >> we block a lot of free software that depends or works only with
> >> nonfree packages (with no [libre] replacement).
> > I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about qt5-webengine?
> > The only argument I've heard so far is that it uses Chromium, yet
> > there is still no real dirt on Chromium being non-free. Unless
> > someone can start pointing out specific files in qt5-webengine's
> > source/dependencies that are non-free I would propose taking it off
> > the blacklist. This has been going on for way too long and we're
> > getting ahead of ourselves. First you make it evident that it is
> > non-free *then* you begin discussion on how to deal with it. This
> > is putting the cart in front of the ox. If someone is suspected of
> > murder then you do not start thinking about what their sentence
> > should be until they have been convicted. Let's please be at least
> > a little bit skeptical of how so much effort has been going in to
> > blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no
> > valid evidence is anywhere to be found.
> > I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I
> > mentioned in the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to have
> > been lost in the huge donation issue bruhaha) that this information
> > should all be concentrated in *one place* that is easily accessible
> > for everyone to see and should be easily edited in the case that
> > certain sources are wrong (as I have seen them to be in this
> > enormous mess we've been in for months now).
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