<html><head></head><body>I apologize if you guys received my previous email multiple times. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On June 12, 2017 11:20:10 PM GMT+02:00, reg_@openmailbox.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On 2017-06-11 19:09, Megver83 wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> that's right, but I meant a fresh install. If you are installing<br /> Parabola from a Live CD and you want the fresh install with OpenRC, in<br /> the past you *had* to install the base group (with Systemd) and then<br /> migrate to OpenRC. Now you don't have to do that way, you just install<br /> base-openrc and there you are.<br /></blockquote><br />I get it now, thank you for your patience!<br /><br />As discussed previously I have now updated the wiki:<br />* Installation guide: <br /><a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/index.php?title=Installation_Guide&type=revision&diff=19048&oldid=18816">https://wiki.parabola.nu/index.php?title=Installation_Guide&type=revision&diff=19048&oldid=18816</a><br />* OpenRC page: <br /><a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/index.php?title=OpenRC&type=revision&diff=19049&oldid=19035">https://wiki.parabola.nu/index.php?title=OpenRC&type=revision&diff=19049&oldid=19035</a><br />Feedback is welcome!<br /><br />On 2017-06-11 19:09, Megver83 wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> El 11/06/17 a las 07:11, reg_@openmailbox.org escribió:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 2017-06-10 23:15, Bill Auger wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> i also noticed this week when working on the calamares installer that<br /> the kernel is not in the 'base' group - i had to require the<br /> 'linux-libre' package separately to complete a fresh install - this <br /> is<br /> reasonable though as there several kernels to choose from so the one<br /> in the base group would be superfluous for every other use case<br /></blockquote> <br /> This makes sense. If this is the approach we want to keep, the<br /> installation guide should also be updated accordingly.<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Megver83 <megver83@openmailbox.org><br /> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> openrc-base only offers you the init scripts for services in the <br /> base<br /> group, but not base packages, while base-openrc offers all the base<br /> packages and OpenRC init scripts.<br /></blockquote></blockquote> <br /> When migrating from systemd to OpenRC on an existing installation, the<br /> base packages are most likely already installed. So it shouldn't hurt <br /> to<br /> have just one group. Right?<br /></blockquote> <br /> that's right, but I meant a fresh install. If you are installing<br /> Parabola from a Live CD and you want the fresh install with OpenRC, in<br /> the past you *had* to install the base group (with Systemd) and then<br /> migrate to OpenRC. Now you don't have to do that way, you just install<br /> base-openrc and there you are.<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 2017-06-10 23:15, Bill Auger wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> that is unnecessarily confusing<br /></blockquote> <br /> I agree.<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> El 10/06/17 a las 06:09, reg_@openmailbox.org escribió:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> I was not aware that there was such a group, this is nice! I think <br /> we<br /> should mention this in:<br /> * OpenRC's wiki page (<a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC">https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC</a>)<br /> * Somewhere in the installation guide<br /> (<a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide">https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide</a>)<br /></blockquote> <br /> Well thought!<br /></blockquote></blockquote> <br /> I will do it, either later today or tomorrow.<br /></blockquote> <br /> I can also help if you want.<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 2017-06-10 23:15, Bill Auger wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> i also noticed this week when working on the calamares installer that<br /> the kernel is not in the 'base' group - i had to require the<br /> 'linux-libre' package separately to complete a fresh install - this <br /> is<br /> reasonable though as there several kernels to choose from so the one<br /> in the base group would be superfluous for every other use case<br /> <br /> <br /> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Megver83 <megver83@openmailbox.org><br /> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> openrc-base only offers you the init scripts for services in the <br /> base<br /> group, but not base packages, while base-openrc offers all the base<br /> packages and OpenRC init scripts.<br /></blockquote> <br /> that is unnecessarily confusing it could be renamed - something like:<br /> 'base-openrc-init-scripts'<br /> 'base-openrc-init'<br /> 'base-openrc-scripts'<br /> 'openrc-init-scripts'<br /> <br /> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Megver83 <megver83@openmailbox.org><br /> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> El 10/06/17 a las 06:09, reg_@openmailbox.org escribió:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 2017-06-10 03:15, Megver83 wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> base-openrc purpose is to offer the same base installation as the<br /> 'base'<br /> group but with OpenRC instead of Systemd, so that users have the<br /> possibility to install Parabola with OpenRC in fresh <br /> installations.<br /></blockquote> <br /> I was not aware that there was such a group, this is nice! I think <br /> we<br /> should mention this in:<br /> * OpenRC's wiki page (<a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC">https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC</a>)<br /> * Somewhere in the installation guide<br /> (<a href="https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide">https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_Guide</a>)<br /></blockquote> <br /> Well thought!<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> There's also a group called openrc-base<br /> (<a href="https://www.parabola.nu/groups/x86_64/openrc-base">https://www.parabola.nu/groups/x86_64/openrc-base</a>/).<br /> Is there really a need for having two separate groups? Can't they <br /> be<br /> merged into one?<br /></blockquote> <br /> openrc-base only offers you the init scripts for services in the <br /> base<br /> group, but not base packages, while base-openrc offers all the base<br /> packages and OpenRC init scripts.<br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br /> On 2017-06-10 03:15, Megver83 wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> El 09/06/17 a las 18:18, Isaac David escribió:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> Reg wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> I was installing Parabola on a new computer today and noticed<br /> that the<br /> linux-libre package is not included in the base group anymore.<br /> <br /> I suppose that's not intended, so I thought I'd report it.<br /></blockquote> <br /> you are right.<br /> <br /> the problem seems to be that the groups=() definition is now only<br /> evaluated if [ "${pkgbase}" = "linux" ], instead of the former<br /> [ "${pkgbase}" = "linux-libre" ]<br /> <br /> also, base-openrc was taken out of the groups. was that on <br /> purpose?<br /> <br /></blockquote> <br /> base-openrc purpose is to offer the same base installation as the<br /> 'base'<br /> group but with OpenRC instead of Systemd, so that users have the<br /> possibility to install Parabola with OpenRC in fresh <br /> installations.<br /> <br /> <br /><hr /><br /> Dev mailing list<br /> Dev@lists.parabola.nu<br /> <a href="https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev">https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev</a><br /></blockquote> <br /></blockquote> <br /> --<br /> GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78<br /> <br /> <br /><hr /><br /> Dev mailing list<br /> Dev@lists.parabola.nu<br /> <a href="https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev">https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev</a><br /> <br /></blockquote></blockquote> <br /></blockquote></blockquote><br /><hr /><br />Dev mailing list<br />Dev@lists.parabola.nu<br /><a href="https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev">https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev</a><br /></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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