From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  1 00:20:15 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:20:15 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170430221622.1073.41008@proton.parabola.nu>
References: <20170430221622.1073.41008@proton.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <6c6e41ff-f71b-3ac1-9c18-3b6f2651057c@openmailbox.org>

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Please, let's not mark as outdated packages because they have broken
dependencies or whatever. Instead, contact the maintainer, the
Flag-as-outdated option if for *outdated packages*, not packages with
broken dependencies (yes, redundant).

El 30/04/17 a las 19:16, Parabola Website Notification escribi?:
> etfaker at bestmail.ws wants to notify you that the following packages
> may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> * iceweasel 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (x86_64):
> https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/iceweasel/
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> not working with new/current version of "icu"
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 06:48:31 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:48:31 +0200
Subject: [Dev] GPG keys not recognized by Winstone
In-Reply-To: <f4b35dd9-f030-e1ff-895f-d6780d71fdc1@openmailbox.org>
References: <f4b35dd9-f030-e1ff-895f-d6780d71fdc1@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170501064831.GA5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I did some more digging, and it seems that pacman-key on winston needs a
trustdb update. pacman-key is unable to verify on its own:

  [repo at winston ~]$ GNUPGHOME=/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ gpg --verify staging/andi/staging/libre/cups-filters-1.13.4-1.parabola3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz.sig
  gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on homedir '/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/'
  gpg: assuming signed data in 'staging/andi/staging/libre/cups-filters-1.13.4-1.parabola3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz'
  gpg: Signature made Mon 01 May 2017 06:33:03 AM GMT
  gpg:                using RSA key BFA8008A8265677063B11BF47171986E4B745536
  gpg: Note: trustdb not writable
  gpg: checking the trustdb
  gpg: trustdb rec 30: write failed (n=-1): Bad file descriptor
  gpg: trustdb: sync failed: Bad file descriptor

once you add --no-auto-check-trustdb, it seems to work:

  [repo at winston ~]$ GNUPGHOME=/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ gpg --no-auto-check-trustdb --verify staging/andi/staging/libre/cups-filters-1.13.4-1.parabola3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz.sig
  gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on homedir '/etc/pacman.d/gnupg/'
  gpg: assuming signed data in 'staging/andi/staging/libre/cups-filters-1.13.4-1.parabola3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz'
  gpg: Signature made Mon 01 May 2017 06:33:03 AM GMT
  gpg:                using RSA key BFA8008A8265677063B11BF47171986E4B745536
  gpg: Note: trustdb not writable
  gpg: please do a --check-trustdb
  gpg: Good signature from "Andreas Grapentin <andreas.grapentin at hpi.uni-potsdam.de>" [unknown]
  gpg:                 aka "Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org>" [unknown]
  gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
  gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
  Primary key fingerprint: BFA8 008A 8265 6770 63B1  1BF4 7171 986E 4B74 5536

trustdb updates need root powers though, so someone with the required
permissions needs to do it :)

-A

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 05:46:14PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> Hi everyone. Some days ago ovruni told us he had problems with his GPG
> key and he couldn't upload anything to the repositories. Recently I
> noted that I was having the same issue, and oaken-source also (he said
> it on IRC). Looks like our keys are untrusted (or not recognized?) -->
> https://dpaste.de/Rkue/raw
> this is the output of 'librerelase' --> https://dpaste.de/vOD1/raw
> 
> I hope this fixes soon, right now there are some urgent packages to
> upload. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 06:53:44 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:53:44 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Who's maintaining PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I propose the following as new channel topic:

  Welcome to Parabola - a free GNU/Linux distribution | Community :
  https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ :
  https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other distributions :
  https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions | Stay a
  while and listen!

this is just a rough draft, feel free to rip it apart and propose
something better :)

(also, the last part is a joke, feel free to drop it)

-A

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 08:26:31PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> El 30/04/17 a las 19:15, Josh Branning escribi?:
> > On 30/04/17 21:51, Megver83 wrote:
> >> Hi, as you may know, the IRC channel topic is:
> >> 
> >> Welcome to Parabola Community :
> >> https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ :
> >> https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other 
> >> distributions : 
> >> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions | 
> >> PenParabola : https://wiki.parabola.nu/PenParabola | Parabola
> >> Gaming Project :
> >> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Gaming_Project.
> >> 
> >> But the ones who began those projects left, so I do not know if 
> >> keeping that info is good (unless someone else maintains them)
> >> in both, the IRC and the Wiki.
> > 
> > I think it is worth keeping the information on the wiki (perhaps
> > with a note), even if nobody is actively working on those things at
> > the moment, somebody could always pick up later on, from where
> > things were left off. Some of the information on those wiki pages
> > are useful, especially the comprehensive notes on free/non free pen
> > testing packages.
> 
> Of course it's unnecessary to remove those wiki pages, we can put a
> note saying that those are currently inactive
> 
> > As to the IRC topic, if nobody is working on them it should
> > probably be changed.
> 
> Yes, that's the point. It should appear fresh news, not dead projects.
> 
> > JMO,
> > 
> > 
> > Josh _______________________________________________ Dev mailing
> > list Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 06:54:43 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:54:43 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <6c6e41ff-f71b-3ac1-9c18-3b6f2651057c@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170430221622.1073.41008@proton.parabola.nu>
 <6c6e41ff-f71b-3ac1-9c18-3b6f2651057c@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170501065443.GA8069@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Icewesel has already been rebuilt with updated dependencies - I'm
waiting for gpg issues on winston to be resolved before I can push the
changes.

-A

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:20:15PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> Please, let's not mark as outdated packages because they have broken
> dependencies or whatever. Instead, contact the maintainer, the
> Flag-as-outdated option if for *outdated packages*, not packages with
> broken dependencies (yes, redundant).
> 
> El 30/04/17 a las 19:16, Parabola Website Notification escribi?:
> > etfaker at bestmail.ws wants to notify you that the following packages
> > may be out-of-date:
> > 
> > 
> > * iceweasel 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (x86_64):
> > https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/iceweasel/
> > 
> > 
> > The user provided the following additional text:
> > 
> > not working with new/current version of "icu"
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 07:15:52 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:15:52 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Correction of dependencies | icu and hunspell
In-Reply-To: <20170430191728.GB940@athena>
References: <5f7f74ec-0d89-37ec-ace9-ce5eec509f00@openmailbox.org>
 <20170430191728.GB940@athena>
Message-ID: <20170501071552.GA10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I have rebuilt:

  - cups-filters
  - texlive-bin
  - icedove
  - iceweasel
  - icecat

waiting for gpp issues on winston to be resolved before I can push
these.

anything else that needs a refresh?

-A

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:17:28PM +0200, Nicol?s A. Ortega wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 01:31:11PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > Hi friends of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre, it seems that there is to 
> > update browsers icedove, iceweasel, icecat, and other programs,
> > because various of its dependencies has been updated, 
> > for example in the case of icu=59.1-1, hunspell-1.6.1-1
> > and the browsers listed above, require the previous version 
> > icu=58.2 and hunspell-1.5.4-1
> > 
> > Is a priority, because it is necessary to correct this error 
> > for those who are installing Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre 
> > from scratch.
> > 
> 
> There is also an issue with the following:
> 
> ```
> texlive-bin: installing poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0'
> ```
> 
> poppler also seems to be causing issues (or rather, texlive-bin).
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 07:38:31 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:38:31 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:

./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD :: icu
./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57
./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu
./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu
./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu
./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD :: icu>=58.2
./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu
./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu
./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu
./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu

generated by the following script:

> #!/bin/bash
> 
> pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
> 
> for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do
>   . ${pkg}
> 
>   if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then
>     icu=""
>     for dep in "${depends[@]}"; do
>       if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then
>         icu="$icu $dep"
>       fi
>     done
> 
>     if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then
>       echo ${pkg} :: ${icu}
>     fi
>   fi
> done

do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and rebuild
accordingly?

Best,
-A


On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I actually got all of the following:
> :: cups-filters: installing poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0'
> :: icecat: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> :: iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> 
> I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that was
> a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have been
> compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on 'icu=x.y', but
> merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many others.
> 
> It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of icu
> which such packages depend on.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Robert
> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I got this:
> > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > 
> > Robert



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From nobody at parabola.nu  Mon May  1 12:32:12 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 12:32:12 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170501123212.1073.34050@proton.parabola.nu>

odg at riseup.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.12_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

linux libre 4.11 is up



From alessi at robertalessi.net  Mon May  1 13:30:39 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:30:39 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
 <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170501133039.GD1977@riseup.net>

Well done.  Other packages also depend on icu, such as postfix.  But I
think they must come directly form archlinux repos?  Hence your script
didn't catch them?

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:38:31AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:
> 
> ./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> ./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57
> ./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> ./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> ./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD :: icu>=58.2
> ./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> ./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu
> ./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> ./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu
> 
> generated by the following script:
> 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > 
> > pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
> > 
> > for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do
> >   . ${pkg}
> > 
> >   if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then
> >     icu=""
> >     for dep in "${depends[@]}"; do
> >       if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then
> >         icu="$icu $dep"
> >       fi
> >     done
> > 
> >     if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then
> >       echo ${pkg} :: ${icu}
> >     fi
> >   fi
> > done
> 
> do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and rebuild
> accordingly?
> 
> Best,
> -A
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I actually got all of the following:
> > :: cups-filters: installing poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0'
> > :: icecat: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > :: iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > 
> > I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that was
> > a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have been
> > compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on 'icu=x.y', but
> > merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many others.
> > 
> > It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of icu
> > which such packages depend on.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I got this:
> > > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > 
> > > Robert
> 
> 
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Mon May  1 13:53:09 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 13:53:09 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [texlive-bin] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170501135309.1073.12392@proton.parabola.nu>

porocyon at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* texlive-bin 2016.41290-10.parabola3 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2016.41290-10.parabola4 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2016.41290-10.parabola4 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/texlive-bin/


The user provided the following additional text:

This package uses old versions of poppler (0.52 instead of 0.54) and icu (58 instead of 59), and thus cannot be installed (easily) on an up-to-date machine.



From nobody at parabola.nu  Mon May  1 13:54:14 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 13:54:14 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170501135414.1070.78818@proton.parabola.nu>

porocyon at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

This package uses an old version of icu (58 instead of 59), and thus cannot be installed (easily) on an up-to-date machine.



From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  1 14:28:36 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:28:36 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170501133039.GD1977@riseup.net>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
 <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170501133039.GD1977@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20170501142836.GA30682@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


correct. the packages built by arch (in the core, extra, etc.. repos)
are not under our control, and, in fact, seem to be using the updated
version of icu:

>  $ ldd /usr/bin/postfix 
>	libicui18n.so.59 => not found
>	libicuuc.so.59 => not found
>	libicudata.so.59 => not found
>	libicui18n.so.59 => not found
>	libicuuc.so.59 => not found
>	libicudata.so.59 => not found

once we fixed our problems, and people are able to cleanly grade to
icu-59, the packages from the arch repos should resume to work correctly

-A

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 03:30:39PM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> Well done.  Other packages also depend on icu, such as postfix.  But I
> think they must come directly form archlinux repos?  Hence your script
> didn't catch them?
> 
> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:38:31AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > 
> > this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:
> > 
> > ./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > ./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57
> > ./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > ./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > ./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD :: icu>=58.2
> > ./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > ./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > ./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > ./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > 
> > generated by the following script:
> > 
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > > 
> > > pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
> > > 
> > > for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do
> > >   . ${pkg}
> > > 
> > >   if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then
> > >     icu=""
> > >     for dep in "${depends[@]}"; do
> > >       if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then
> > >         icu="$icu $dep"
> > >       fi
> > >     done
> > > 
> > >     if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then
> > >       echo ${pkg} :: ${icu}
> > >     fi
> > >   fi
> > > done
> > 
> > do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and rebuild
> > accordingly?
> > 
> > Best,
> > -A
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I actually got all of the following:
> > > :: cups-filters: installing poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0'
> > > :: icecat: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > :: iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > 
> > > I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that was
> > > a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have been
> > > compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on 'icu=x.y', but
> > > merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many others.
> > > 
> > > It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of icu
> > > which such packages depend on.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > Robert
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I got this:
> > > > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > 
> > > > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Mon May  1 15:15:51 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 17:15:51 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170501142836.GA30682@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
 <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170501133039.GD1977@riseup.net>
 <20170501142836.GA30682@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170501151551.GA3422@riseup.net>

Understood.  This is a recurring issue: each time it is updated, icu
breaks a lot of packages, but fortunately not for too long!

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 04:28:36PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> correct. the packages built by arch (in the core, extra, etc.. repos)
> are not under our control, and, in fact, seem to be using the updated
> version of icu:
> 
> >  $ ldd /usr/bin/postfix 
> >	libicui18n.so.59 => not found
> >	libicuuc.so.59 => not found
> >	libicudata.so.59 => not found
> >	libicui18n.so.59 => not found
> >	libicuuc.so.59 => not found
> >	libicudata.so.59 => not found
> 
> once we fixed our problems, and people are able to cleanly grade to
> icu-59, the packages from the arch repos should resume to work correctly
> 
> -A
> 
> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 03:30:39PM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> > Well done.  Other packages also depend on icu, such as postfix.  But I
> > think they must come directly form archlinux repos?  Hence your script
> > didn't catch them?
> > 
> > On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:38:31AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > > 
> > > this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:
> > > 
> > > ./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > > ./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57
> > > ./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > > ./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > > ./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD :: icu>=58.2
> > > ./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > > ./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > ./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2
> > > ./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > > 
> > > generated by the following script:
> > > 
> > > > #!/bin/bash
> > > > 
> > > > pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
> > > > 
> > > > for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do
> > > >   . ${pkg}
> > > > 
> > > >   if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then
> > > >     icu=""
> > > >     for dep in "${depends[@]}"; do
> > > >       if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then
> > > >         icu="$icu $dep"
> > > >       fi
> > > >     done
> > > > 
> > > >     if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then
> > > >       echo ${pkg} :: ${icu}
> > > >     fi
> > > >   fi
> > > > done
> > > 
> > > do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and rebuild
> > > accordingly?
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > -A
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I actually got all of the following:
> > > > :: cups-filters: installing poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0'
> > > > :: icecat: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > :: iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > 
> > > > I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that was
> > > > a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have been
> > > > compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on 'icu=x.y', but
> > > > merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many others.
> > > > 
> > > > It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of icu
> > > > which such packages depend on.
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > 
> > > > Robert
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I got this:
> > > > > :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> > > > > 
> > > > > Robert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
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> > > 
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  1 20:17:31 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 17:17:31 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
 <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
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could you do the same to locate packages that depend in qt5-webengine?
every time there are more packages that depend on it.

I think packages that depend on qt5-webengine and cannot be ported to
QtWebKit -->
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Porting_from_Qt_WebEngine_to_Qt_WebKit have 2
options:

1) To be blacklisted
2) To create a -legacy version in [libre]

This, until there's a fully-free qt5-webengine replacement. For now,
we must consider those 2 options or think on another ones.

El 01/05/17 a las 04:38, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> 
> this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:
> 
> ./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD ::
> icu ./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57 
> ./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu ./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> ./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> ./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD ::
> icu>=58.2 ./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 
> ./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu ./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> ./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu ./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD ::
> icu=58.2 ./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu
> 
> generated by the following script:
> 
>> #!/bin/bash
>> 
>> pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
>> 
>> for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do . ${pkg}
>> 
>> if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then icu="" for dep in
>> "${depends[@]}"; do if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then icu="$icu
>> $dep" fi done
>> 
>> if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then echo ${pkg} :: ${icu} fi fi done
> 
> do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and
> rebuild accordingly?
> 
> Best, -A
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I actually got all of the following: :: cups-filters: installing
>> poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0' :: icecat:
>> installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' :: icedove:
>> installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' ::
>> iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' 
>> :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
>> 
>> I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that
>> was a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have
>> been compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on
>> 'icu=x.y', but merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many
>> others.
>> 
>> It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of
>> icu which such packages depend on.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website
>> Notification wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I got this: :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks
>>> dependency 'icu=58.2'
>>> 
>>> Robert
> 
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Tue May  2 01:35:42 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:35:42 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Mirror changes
Message-ID: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>

Just FYI, AfraidDNS has removed goodgnus.com.ar, and the other server
was running CentOS 5 which was rather horribly outdated even with
security patches and won't run certbot (so I've removed it).

So the following server is the only one that should be on mirrorlist:

# Location: Austin, TX, USA
# Work hours: 24*7
  Server = https://parabola.serverpit.com/$repo/os/$arch



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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Tue May  2 02:56:45 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 22:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Dev] GPG keys not recognized by Winstone
In-Reply-To: <20170501064831.GA5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <f4b35dd9-f030-e1ff-895f-d6780d71fdc1@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501064831.GA5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87ziew9daq.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Mon, 01 May 2017 02:48:31 -0400,
Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> trustdb updates need root powers though, so someone with the required
> permissions needs to do it :)

I believe this has been run now?

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  1 22:07:08 2017
From: eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org (Eliot Reyna)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 22:07:08 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Possible requirement to update browsers Icecat and
 Iceweasel.
In-Reply-To: <20170430062507.GA14675@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <21c4bc50-6c1d-4adf-75e1-33c2e964fef8@openmailbox.org>
 <20170430062507.GA14675@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ee298307-2e01-df9a-7380-8d16a8284019@openmailbox.org>

Icedove is still dependent of ICU 58.2, and GNU IceCat is still on 
45.7.0 (the actual version is on the 52.0.2).


El 30/04/17 a las 06:25, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> I'm working on that atm :)
> the builds take a while though.
>
> -A
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 09:07:38PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
>> Hello friends of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre, it seems that there is to
>> update browsers iceweasel and icecat, because one of
>> its dependencies has been updated,
>> for example in the case of icu=59.1-1
>> and the browsers listed above, require the previous version
>> icu=58.2.
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
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>>
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May  2 06:39:33 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:39:33 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Possible requirement to update browsers Icecat and
 Iceweasel.
In-Reply-To: <ee298307-2e01-df9a-7380-8d16a8284019@openmailbox.org>
References: <21c4bc50-6c1d-4adf-75e1-33c2e964fef8@openmailbox.org>
 <20170430062507.GA14675@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <ee298307-2e01-df9a-7380-8d16a8284019@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170502063933.GA30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


correct. there are build issues in icedove that need to be figured out,
and updating the icecat version is underway.

-A

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:07:08PM +0000, Eliot Reyna wrote:
> Icedove is still dependent of ICU 58.2, and GNU IceCat is still on 45.7.0
> (the actual version is on the 52.0.2).
> 
> 
> El 30/04/17 a las 06:25, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> > I'm working on that atm :)
> > the builds take a while though.
> > 
> > -A
> > 
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 09:07:38PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > > Hello friends of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre, it seems that there is to
> > > update browsers iceweasel and icecat, because one of
> > > its dependencies has been updated,
> > > for example in the case of icu=59.1-1
> > > and the browsers listed above, require the previous version
> > > icu=58.2.
> > > 
> > > Greetings.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
> > > https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/cybersy/
> > > https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
> > > 
> > > Protect your emails with GnuPG:
> > > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org
> > > 
> > > Free Software Webmail Systems
> > > https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dev mailing list
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May  2 06:40:22 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:40:22 +0200
Subject: [Dev] GPG keys not recognized by Winstone
In-Reply-To: <87ziew9daq.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <f4b35dd9-f030-e1ff-895f-d6780d71fdc1@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501064831.GA5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87ziew9daq.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <20170502064022.GB30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I don't know who fixed it, but it seems to work again.

-A

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:56:45PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2017 02:48:31 -0400,
> Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > trustdb updates need root powers though, so someone with the required
> > permissions needs to do it :)
> 
> I believe this has been run now?
> 
> -- 
> Happy hacking,
> ~ Luke Shumaker

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May  2 06:42:25 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:42:25 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Mirror changes
In-Reply-To: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>
References: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170502064225.GC30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:35:42PM -0400, Luke wrote:
> Just FYI, AfraidDNS has removed goodgnus.com.ar, and the other server
> was running CentOS 5 which was rather horribly outdated even with
> security patches and won't run certbot (so I've removed it).
> 
> So the following server is the only one that should be on mirrorlist:
> 
> # Location: Austin, TX, USA
> # Work hours: 24*7
>   Server = https://parabola.serverpit.com/$repo/os/$arch

what do you mean by 'the only one'? surely, there is more than one
mirror on the mirrorlist?

> 
> 
> 




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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May  2 06:51:08 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:51:08 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [icedove] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <dbf06009-4a18-3072-39cf-10f6ed2d4952@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170430092230.1073.30668@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170430093712.GA1904@riseup.net>
 <20170501073831.GB10678@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <dbf06009-4a18-3072-39cf-10f6ed2d4952@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170502065108.GD30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


there are apparently no packages in abslibre that depend on
qt5-webengine. extending the search to the arch repos yields:

  qt5-webview
  kio-extras
  kalgebra
  libkgapi
  konqueror
  akonadi-contacts
  qtcreator
  kde-development-environment-meta
  pyqt5
  telepathy-kde-text-ui

-A

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 05:17:31PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> could you do the same to locate packages that depend in qt5-webengine?
> every time there are more packages that depend on it.
> 
> I think packages that depend on qt5-webengine and cannot be ported to
> QtWebKit -->
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Porting_from_Qt_WebEngine_to_Qt_WebKit have 2
> options:
> 
> 1) To be blacklisted
> 2) To create a -legacy version in [libre]
> 
> This, until there's a fully-free qt5-webengine replacement. For now,
> we must consider those 2 options or think on another ones.
> 
> El 01/05/17 a las 04:38, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> > 
> > this is a list of everything in abslibre that depends on icu:
> > 
> > ./nonprism/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./pcr/seeks/PKGBUILD ::
> > icu ./pcr/pandoc-static/PKGBUILD :: icu>=56 icu<57 
> > ./pcr/vislcg3/PKGBUILD :: icu ./pcr/beecrypt/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> > ./libre/unar/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./libre/openttd/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> > ./libre/iceape/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 ./libre/iceweasel/PKGBUILD ::
> > icu>=58.2 ./libre/icedove/PKGBUILD :: icu=58.2 
> > ./libre/kdelibs/PKGBUILD :: icu ./libre/jquery-ui/PKGBUILD :: icu 
> > ./libre/calibre/PKGBUILD :: icu ./libre/icecat/PKGBUILD ::
> > icu=58.2 ./libre/mapnik/PKGBUILD :: icu
> > 
> > generated by the following script:
> > 
> >> #!/bin/bash
> >> 
> >> pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD')
> >> 
> >> for pkg in $pkgbuilds; do . ${pkg}
> >> 
> >> if [[ " ${depends[@]} " =~ " icu" ]]; then icu="" for dep in
> >> "${depends[@]}"; do if [[ "$dep" =~ "icu" ]]; then icu="$icu
> >> $dep" fi done
> >> 
> >> if [ -n "${icu}" ]; then echo ${pkg} :: ${icu} fi fi done
> > 
> > do we want to make all of these use icu=59.1 explicitly, and
> > rebuild accordingly?
> > 
> > Best, -A
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:37:12AM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I actually got all of the following: :: cups-filters: installing
> >> poppler (0.54.0-1) breaks dependency 'poppler=0.52.0' :: icecat:
> >> installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' :: icedove:
> >> installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' ::
> >> iceweasel: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2' 
> >> :: unar: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks dependency 'icu=58.2'
> >> 
> >> I tried to force the update with '--ignore poppler,icu', but that
> >> was a bad idea: it broke almost all of the packages which have
> >> been compiled with the latest 'icu' without depending on
> >> 'icu=x.y', but merely on bare 'icu', such as postfix among many
> >> others.
> >> 
> >> It might be a good idea to be more specific on the version of
> >> icu which such packages depend on.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Robert
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:22:30AM -0000, Parabola Website
> >> Notification wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I got this: :: icedove: installing icu (59.1-1) breaks
> >>> dependency 'icu=58.2'
> >>> 
> >>> Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> >> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
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> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May  2 08:03:18 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 08:03:18 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Kernels package [linux-libre-grsec-knock] marked
 out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170502080318.1070.12830@proton.parabola.nu>

benoit at neviani.fr wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

4.10 / 4.11 available



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May  2 13:29:24 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 10:29:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] GPG keys not recognized by Winstone
In-Reply-To: <20170502064022.GB30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <f4b35dd9-f030-e1ff-895f-d6780d71fdc1@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501064831.GA5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87ziew9daq.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170502064022.GB30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87shknqte3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> I don't know who fixed it, but it seems to work again.

i repopulated the keyring on winston and after running `pacman-key -v`
on a package as root, the trustdb was fixed

i also updated all the keys individually, because refresh-keys keeps
throwing an unknown package error :/

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May  2 18:38:37 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:38:37 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat-ublock-origin] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170502183837.1071.20730@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat-ublock-origin 1.11.4-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icecat-ublock-origin/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current uBlock Origin Stable is 1.12.2



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May  2 18:40:12 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:40:12 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat-noscript] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170502184012.1073.76396@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat-noscript 5.0.2-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icecat-noscript/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current noscript stable is 5.0.3



From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Tue May  2 23:06:00 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 19:06:00 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Mirror changes
In-Reply-To: <20170502064225.GC30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>
 <20170502064225.GC30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <07c64490-9dc1-185e-a7b0-0c7f4386bd8d@openmailbox.org>

On 05/02/2017 02:42 AM, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:35:42PM -0400, Luke wrote:
>> Just FYI, AfraidDNS has removed goodgnus.com.ar, and the other server
>> was running CentOS 5 which was rather horribly outdated even with
>> security patches and won't run certbot (so I've removed it).
>>
>> So the following server is the only one that should be on mirrorlist:
>>
>> # Location: Austin, TX, USA
>> # Work hours: 24*7
>>   Server = https://parabola.serverpit.com/$repo/os/$arch
> what do you mean by 'the only one'? surely, there is more than one
> mirror on the mirrorlist?
>
Yes, we still have various other working mirrors on the mirrorlist.
https://www.parabola.nu/mirrors/status/

The only one of "my" mirrors, I should have rephrased. Previously there
were two, parabola.goodgnus.com.ar and server2.goodgnus.com.ar.
Due to server2 reaching EOL from my VPS provider with no updates and
broken HTTPS I've pulled it. As such there only parabola.serverpit.com.
It's running 24/7 now as usual.



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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May  3 00:53:50 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 00:53:50 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [grub] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170503005350.1072.81970@proton.parabola.nu>

lukeshu at lukeshu.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* grub 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub/
* grub 1:2.02.rc2-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/grub/
* grub 1:2.02.rc2-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/grub/
* grub-am335x_bone 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub-am335x_bone/
* grub-omap3_beagle 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub-omap3_beagle/
* grub-omap3_beagle_xm 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub-omap3_beagle_xm/
* grub-omap3_beagle_xm_ab 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub-omap3_beagle_xm_ab/
* grub-udoo 1:2.02.beta3-6.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/grub-udoo/


The user provided the following additional text:

2.02 came out, and Arch bumped epoch 1->2.

We inherited the 2.02.rc2 pkgver from Arch; this was an error, it should have been 2.02rc2.

Now that 2.02 has properly been released, they needed a way to force the upgrade from 2.02.rc2->2.02, which pacman versioning considers to be a downgrade.  So they bumped epoch.  A permanent fix to a temporary problem... *grumble*.



From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Wed May  3 04:24:30 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 23:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Mirror changes
In-Reply-To: <07c64490-9dc1-185e-a7b0-0c7f4386bd8d@openmailbox.org>
References: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>
 <20170502064225.GC30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <07c64490-9dc1-185e-a7b0-0c7f4386bd8d@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1493785470.2494.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

pacman-mirrorlist 20170503-1.parabola1 is out,
the update had already been taken care of on the website.

-- 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May  3 05:46:48 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 07:46:48 +0200
Subject: [Dev] handling the OpenSSL 1.0->1.1 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <878tmoo78x.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87bmrko8nt.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <878tmoo78x.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <20170503054648.GA30868@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I have enumerated all packages depending on openssl:

  libre/hexchat ::  openssl
  libre/pacman ::  openssl>=1.1 openssl-1.0
  libre/pyrit ::  openssl
  libre/ruby ::  openssl openssl
  libre/uboot-tools ::  openssl
  libre/unar ::  openssl
  libre/xchat ::  openssl
  nonprism/sylpheed ::  openssl
  pcr/assh ::  openssl
  pcr/check-pacman-mtree ::  openssl
  pcr/cherokee ::  openssl
  pcr/dirt ::  openssl
  pcr/galera ::  openssl
  pcr/glance ::  python2-pyopenssl
  pcr/grub-customizer ::  openssl
  pcr/htmldoc ::  openssl
  pcr/icinga ::  openssl
  pcr/inspircd ::  openssl openssl
  pcr/ipmiutil ::  openssl
  pcr/italc ::  openssl
  pcr/knot ::  openssl>=1.0.0
  pcr/libtorrent-extended ::  openssl
  pcr/mariadb-galera ::  openssl openssl
  pcr/mit-scheme ::  openssl
  pcr/monkeysphere ::  perl-crypt-openssl-rsa
  pcr/neomutt ::  openssl
  pcr/nginx-passenger ::  openssl
  pcr/ocaml-ssl ::  openssl
  pcr/openssh-knock ::  openssl
  pcr/perspectives-server ::  openssl
  pcr/rmilter ::  openssl
  pcr/rstudio-desktop ::  openssl
  pcr/samhain ::  openssl
  pcr/snapraid ::  openssl
  pcr/snort ::  openssl
  pcr/softhsm ::  openssl>=1.0.0
  pcr/strongswan ::  openssl openssl
  pcr/tahoe-lafs ::  openssl>=1.0.2 python2-pyopenssl>=0.14
  pcr/tcpcrypt ::  openssl openssl
  pcr/tinc-pre ::  openssl
  pcr/trousers ::  openssl
  pcr/ucommon ::  openssl
  pcr/uftp ::  openssl

generated using this script:

> #!/bin/bash
> 
> set -eu
> 
> pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD' -printf "%P\n" | sort)
> 
> for pkg in ${pkgbuilds}; do
> 
>   pushd $(dirname ${pkg}) >/dev/null
> 
>   errf=$(mktemp)
>   deps=$(makepkg -A --printsrcinfo 2>${errf}| grep 'depends =' \
>     | cut -d '=' -f2- | cut -d ':' -f1 | sed 's/^[[:space:]]*//')
>   err=$(< ${errf})
>   rm ${errf}
> 
>   popd >/dev/null
> 
>   if [ -n "${err}" ]; then
>     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ERROR" >&2
>     echo "${err}" | sed 's/^/    | /' >&2
>   fi
> 
>   match=""
>   for dep in ${deps}; do
>     if [[ "${dep}" =~ "${1}" ]]; then
>       match="${match} ${dep}"
>     fi
>   done
> 
>   if [ -n "${match}" ]; then
>     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ${match}"
>   fi
> done

this also revealed that a lot of our pkgbuilds have issues like the
following:

  libre/jquery-ui :: ERROR
    | ==> ERROR: arch should be an array
    | ==> ERROR: license should be an array
    | ==> ERROR: depends should be an array
    | ==> ERROR: sha512sums should be an array
    | ==> ERROR: source should be an array
    | ==> ERROR: An unknown error has occurred. Exiting...

i started looking into these, and most of them seem trivial. a complete
list is on the pad.

I'll probably fix them over the next couple days.

-A

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:07:58AM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:37:26 -0400,
> Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > db-check-package-libraries was designed for the purpose of identifying
> > these packages, but it appears to not be working.
> 
> It seems to have to do with crashing when it sees a dangling symlink.
> I've monkey-patched it on the server to turn abolute links into
> relative links.
> 
> However, it still crashes when it encounters a symlink that points to
> a file in another package.
> 
> And I needed to walk out the door 8 minutes ago, so someone else will
> need to figure this out.
> 
> -- 
> Happy hacking,
> ~ Luke Shumaker
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May  3 23:41:52 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 23:41:52 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [freedoom] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170503234152.1073.34453@proton.parabola.nu>

megver83 at parabola.nu wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* freedoom 0.10.1-1 [pcr] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/any/freedoom/


The user provided the following additional text:

Latest version is 0.11.2
https://libregamewiki.org/Freedoom
Maybe I can upgrade it ;)



From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May  4 13:40:15 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 15:40:15 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [PING] [EOMA68] early access to hardware for parabola ARM
 maintainers?
In-Reply-To: <20170427045240.GA1882@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170427045240.GA1882@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170504134015.GA12968@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Hello everyone,

I represent the hackers in charge of maintaining the parabola ARM port.

As you know, the 'libre tea' computer card will be shipped with parabola
preinstalled, and we are currently working hard on getting our ARM port in
shape. Unfortunately, at the moment we have two problems:

 a) lack of compute resources - we need some actual ARM boards of the
    right architecture to build - and especially test - packages

 b) lack of information - we don't know enough about the particularities
    of the EOMA68 cards to be able to tell how well our port works on them


Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a
couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that
our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?

We are very excited about this project (many of us have actually
pre-ordered cards), and we want to be able to deliver the best possible
version of our GNU/Linux distribution that we can produce.

Best,
Andreas


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu May  4 22:25:37 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 22:25:37 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [elogind] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170504222537.1073.7989@proton.parabola.nu>

mittens2001 at opmbx.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* elogind 219.12-1 [pcr] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/armv7h/elogind/
* elogind 226-5 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/elogind/
* elogind 226-5 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/elogind/
* libelogind 226-5 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/libelogind/
* libelogind 226-5 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/libelogind/


The user provided the following additional text:

227.2 https://github.com/manjaro/packages-openrc/tree/master/elogind



From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May  5 16:15:56 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 16:15:56 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170505161556.1071.73786@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat 52.0.2_gnu1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat/
* icecat-debug 52.0.2_gnu1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

IceCat 52.1.0 has been released
https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/52.1.0/




From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Sat May  6 02:14:33 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 22:14:33 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
Message-ID: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

I just released libretools 20170505 to [libre], and pushed the source
tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.

This feels like a big release to me, but to a user it's actually
probably pretty minor.

The TL;DR of changes from 20170117 to 20170505:

 - librechroot/libremakepkg:
   * The chroot version has been bumped from v3 to v4.  You will need
     to re-create your chroots.
   * Bugfix: Correctly handles when a btrfs subvolume exists inside of
     a chroot.  It no longer errors when trying to delete or sync that
     chroot.
 - libremakepkg
   * Now produces full-sourceballs ($pkgbase-$fullpkgver-$arch$SRCEXT)
     of the sources used to compile a package.  Unlike sourceballs
     produced by `makepkg --allsource`, the architecture is included
     in the filename.
 - librestage:
   * Will stage the sourceballs that libremakepkg now creates (see above).
   * Will no longer complain if you have uncommitted changes in the
     current directory.

The new sourceballs are important for GPL compliance, and for coming
reproducible builds.

Ok, the detailed change notes:

Lots and lots of code cleanup and tests and maintenance.

As you may be aware, libretools includes modified copies of several
programs from Arch's devtools.  With this release, I have worked hard
to organize the modifications made, and submit many of them upstream
to Arch.  I am very pleased at the number of times "@parabola.nu" now
appears in Arch's devtools commit log.

The bigger of changes from 20170117 to 20170505:

 - libremessages/messages.sh
   . common.sh:
     * find_cached_srcpackage was added
     * the (undocumented) check_root function is gone
 - librechroot/libremakepkg:
   . makechrootpkg.sh:
     * Do a better job of deciding when to use btrfs code.
     * (see above) Bugfix: Handles nested btrfs subvolumes.
   . arch-nspawn:
     * Bugfix: It should now be impossible for it to accidentally
       choose a file://var/cache URL as the pacman mirror URL.
     * Chroots now run with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 instead of LANG=C.
     * (see above) The chroot version has been bumped from v3 to v4.
 - libremakepkg:
   . makechrootpkg.sh:
     * Chroot preparation has been simplified; no instead of having
       /startdir_host and such be bind-mounted to the outside, with
       symlinks in /startdir, the directories are bind-mounted directly.
       Also, the build user numeric UID now matches the numeric UID of
       the invoking $SUDO_USER.
     * (see above) now produces full-sourceballs
   . distcc-tool:
     * Uses SO_REUSEADDR, so errors with calling it rapidly should be
       gone.
     * More sub-process management; there should be fewer superfluous
       error messages.
   * Bugfix: Correctly fail if a hook fails.
   * Bugfix: distcc should work correctly again.
   * Document that the MAKEFLAGS variable is set in the chroot.  Also,
     generally touch up the documentation.
 - gitget:
   * Bugfix: correctly hande the -f[orce] flag on bare repositories.
 - librefetch:
   * Bugfix: Correctly handle existing SRCBUILD files.
   * Bugfix: Correctly fail if given bogus flags.
 - libredbdiff
   * Bugfix: correctly handle packages with multiple provides.
   * Has a configuration file now, instead of hardcoding everything.
   * Has more detailed --help text.
 - toru-path:
   * Bugfix: shouldn't be broken anymore
   * Has help text now.
 - librestage:
   * (see above) Stages libremakepkg-generated sourceballs.
   * (see above) No longer calls XBS; so it will no longer complain if
     you have uncommitted changes in the current directory.
   * Is ready for ${pkgbase}-debug packages that will be produced by
     the next version of pacman (are produced by pacman-git).
   * No longer requires the ARCHES libretools.conf variable, it now
     knows automatically
 - other
   * Update the build system from autothing v2 to v3
   * Lots of general code cleanup
     . Lots of shellcheck-running
   * Lots more tests
   * Emacs is no longer required during the build process.  This is a
     result of getting changes upstreamed in Arch.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May  7 11:20:37 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 11:20:37 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [gst-plugins-bad] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170507112037.1073.9241@proton.parabola.nu>

demon at krutt.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* gst-plugins-bad 1.10.2-2.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/gst-plugins-bad/
* gst-plugins-bad 1.10.4-7.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/gst-plugins-bad/
* gst-plugins-bad 1.10.4-7.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/gst-plugins-bad/


The user provided the following additional text:

Other gst packages are on 1.12.0



From nobody at parabola.nu  Mon May  8 02:20:35 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 02:20:35 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>

eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/
* iceweasel-l10n-af 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/
* iceweasel-l10n-an 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/
* iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/
* iceweasel-l10n-as 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/
* iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ast/
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* iceweasel-l10n-sl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sl/
* iceweasel-l10n-son 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-son/
* iceweasel-l10n-sq 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sq/
* iceweasel-l10n-sr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sr/
* iceweasel-l10n-sv-se 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sv-se/
* iceweasel-l10n-ta 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ta/
* iceweasel-l10n-te 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-te/
* iceweasel-l10n-th 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-th/
* iceweasel-l10n-tr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-tr/
* iceweasel-l10n-uk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uk/
* iceweasel-l10n-uz 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uz/
* iceweasel-l10n-vi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-vi/
* iceweasel-l10n-xh 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-xh/
* iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn/
* iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw/


The user provided the following additional text:

Please update Iceweasel to the version 53.0.2, according to the release branch of the Debian edition of Mozilla Firefox located in Debian SID repos.

https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox

Thanks.



From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  8 08:47:49 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:47:49 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I'm looking into this atm, and the update seems trivial - I will rebuild
and push today.

But I was wondering - why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
indirection?

My vote would be for following original firefox, if you couldn't tell ;)
but I would be curious to see what the community thinks.

Best,
-A

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:20:35AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> * iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/
> * iceweasel-l10n-af 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/
> * iceweasel-l10n-an 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/
> * iceweasel-l10n-as 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ast/
> * iceweasel-l10n-az 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-az/
> * iceweasel-l10n-bg 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bg/
> * iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd/
> * iceweasel-l10n-bn-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-in/
> * iceweasel-l10n-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-br/
> * iceweasel-l10n-bs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bs/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ca 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ca/
> * iceweasel-l10n-cak 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cak/
> * iceweasel-l10n-cs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cs/
> * iceweasel-l10n-cy 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cy/
> * iceweasel-l10n-da 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-da/
> * iceweasel-l10n-de 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-de/
> * iceweasel-l10n-dsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-dsb/
> * iceweasel-l10n-el 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-el/
> * iceweasel-l10n-en-gb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-gb/
> * iceweasel-l10n-en-us 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-us/
> * iceweasel-l10n-en-za 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-za/
> * iceweasel-l10n-eo 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eo/
> * iceweasel-l10n-es-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-ar/
> * iceweasel-l10n-es-cl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-cl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-es-es 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-es/
> * iceweasel-l10n-es-mx 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-mx/
> * iceweasel-l10n-et 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-et/
> * iceweasel-l10n-eu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eu/
> * iceweasel-l10n-fa 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fa/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ff 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ff/
> * iceweasel-l10n-fi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fi/
> * iceweasel-l10n-fr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fr/
> * iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie/
> * iceweasel-l10n-gd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gd/
> * iceweasel-l10n-gl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-gn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gn/
> * iceweasel-l10n-gu-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gu-in/
> * iceweasel-l10n-he 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-he/
> * iceweasel-l10n-hi-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hi-in/
> * iceweasel-l10n-hr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hr/
> * iceweasel-l10n-hsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hsb/
> * iceweasel-l10n-hu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hu/
> * iceweasel-l10n-hy-am 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hy-am/
> * iceweasel-l10n-id 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-id/
> * iceweasel-l10n-is 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-is/
> * iceweasel-l10n-it 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-it/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ja 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ja/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ka 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ka/
> * iceweasel-l10n-kab 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kab/
> * iceweasel-l10n-kk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kk/
> * iceweasel-l10n-km 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-km/
> * iceweasel-l10n-kn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kn/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ko 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ko/
> * iceweasel-l10n-lij 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lij/
> * iceweasel-l10n-lt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lt/
> * iceweasel-l10n-lv 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lv/
> * iceweasel-l10n-mai 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mai/
> * iceweasel-l10n-mk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mk/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ml 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ml/
> * iceweasel-l10n-mr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mr/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ms 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ms/
> * iceweasel-l10n-nb-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nb-no/
> * iceweasel-l10n-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-nn-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nn-no/
> * iceweasel-l10n-or 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-or/
> * iceweasel-l10n-pa-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pa-in/
> * iceweasel-l10n-pl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-pt-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-br/
> * iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt/
> * iceweasel-l10n-rm 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-rm/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ro 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ro/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ru 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ru/
> * iceweasel-l10n-si 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-si/
> * iceweasel-l10n-sk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sk/
> * iceweasel-l10n-sl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sl/
> * iceweasel-l10n-son 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-son/
> * iceweasel-l10n-sq 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sq/
> * iceweasel-l10n-sr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sr/
> * iceweasel-l10n-sv-se 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sv-se/
> * iceweasel-l10n-ta 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ta/
> * iceweasel-l10n-te 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-te/
> * iceweasel-l10n-th 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-th/
> * iceweasel-l10n-tr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-tr/
> * iceweasel-l10n-uk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uk/
> * iceweasel-l10n-uz 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uz/
> * iceweasel-l10n-vi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-vi/
> * iceweasel-l10n-xh 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-xh/
> * iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn/
> * iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw/
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> Please update Iceweasel to the version 53.0.2, according to the release branch of the Debian edition of Mozilla Firefox located in Debian SID repos.
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Mon May  8 08:48:50 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 08:48:50 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [webkit2gtk] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170508084850.1073.46506@proton.parabola.nu>

kzer-za at cryptolab.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

extra/webkit2gtk, extra/webkitgtk and extra/webkitgtk2 are newer than their nonprism equivalents.



From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  8 12:53:41 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 14:53:41 +0200
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining PenParabola
 and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Ping.

I assume no feedback means nobody really cares? Should I just go ahead
and change the topic?

-A

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 08:53:44AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> I propose the following as new channel topic:
> 
>   Welcome to Parabola - a free GNU/Linux distribution | Community :
>   https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ :
>   https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other distributions :
>   https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions | Stay a
>   while and listen!
> 
> this is just a rough draft, feel free to rip it apart and propose
> something better :)
> 
> (also, the last part is a joke, feel free to drop it)
> 
> -A
> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 08:26:31PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> > El 30/04/17 a las 19:15, Josh Branning escribi?:
> > > On 30/04/17 21:51, Megver83 wrote:
> > >> Hi, as you may know, the IRC channel topic is:
> > >> 
> > >> Welcome to Parabola Community :
> > >> https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ :
> > >> https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other 
> > >> distributions : 
> > >> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions | 
> > >> PenParabola : https://wiki.parabola.nu/PenParabola | Parabola
> > >> Gaming Project :
> > >> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Gaming_Project.
> > >> 
> > >> But the ones who began those projects left, so I do not know if 
> > >> keeping that info is good (unless someone else maintains them)
> > >> in both, the IRC and the Wiki.
> > > 
> > > I think it is worth keeping the information on the wiki (perhaps
> > > with a note), even if nobody is actively working on those things at
> > > the moment, somebody could always pick up later on, from where
> > > things were left off. Some of the information on those wiki pages
> > > are useful, especially the comprehensive notes on free/non free pen
> > > testing packages.
> > 
> > Of course it's unnecessary to remove those wiki pages, we can put a
> > note saying that those are currently inactive
> > 
> > > As to the IRC topic, if nobody is working on them it should
> > > probably be changed.
> > 
> > Yes, that's the point. It should appear fresh news, not dead projects.
> > 
> > > JMO,
> > > 
> > > 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  8 13:00:26 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 15:00:26 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
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update: there is no firefox-53.0.2 yet in debian sid.

-A

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 10:47:49AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> I'm looking into this atm, and the update seems trivial - I will rebuild
> and push today.
> 
> But I was wondering - why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
> to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> indirection?
> 
> My vote would be for following original firefox, if you couldn't tell ;)
> but I would be curious to see what the community thinks.
> 
> Best,
> -A
> 
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:20:35AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> > eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
> > 
> > 
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-af 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-an 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-as 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ast/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-az 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-az/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-bg 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bg/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-bn-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-in/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-br/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-bs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bs/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ca 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ca/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-cak 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cak/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-cs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cs/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-cy 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cy/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-da 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-da/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-de 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-de/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-dsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-dsb/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-el 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-el/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-en-gb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-gb/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-en-us 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-us/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-en-za 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-za/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-eo 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eo/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-es-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-ar/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-es-cl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-cl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-es-es 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-es/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-es-mx 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-mx/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-et 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-et/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-eu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eu/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-fa 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fa/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ff 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ff/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-fi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fi/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-fr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fr/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-gd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gd/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-gl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-gn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gn/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-gu-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gu-in/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-he 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-he/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-hi-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hi-in/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-hr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hr/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-hsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hsb/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-hu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hu/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-hy-am 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hy-am/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-id 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-id/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-is 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-is/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-it 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-it/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ja 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ja/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ka 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ka/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-kab 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kab/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-kk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kk/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-km 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-km/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-kn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kn/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ko 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ko/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-lij 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lij/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-lt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lt/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-lv 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lv/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-mai 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mai/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-mk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mk/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ml 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ml/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-mr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mr/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ms 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ms/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-nb-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nb-no/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-nn-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nn-no/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-or 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-or/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-pa-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pa-in/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-pl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-pt-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-br/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-rm 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-rm/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ro 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ro/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ru 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ru/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-si 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-si/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-sk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sk/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-sl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sl/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-son 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-son/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-sq 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sq/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-sr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sr/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-sv-se 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sv-se/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-ta 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ta/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-te 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-te/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-th 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-th/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-tr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-tr/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-uk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uk/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-uz 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uz/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-vi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-vi/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-xh 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-xh/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn/
> > * iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw/
> > 
> > 
> > The user provided the following additional text:
> > 
> > Please update Iceweasel to the version 53.0.2, according to the release branch of the Debian edition of Mozilla Firefox located in Debian SID repos.
> > 
> > https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 13:02:56 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:02:56 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
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yes, BTW, who administrates the IRC?

El 08/05/17 a las 09:53, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> 
> Ping.
> 
> I assume no feedback means nobody really cares? Should I just go
> ahead and change the topic?
> 
> -A
> 
> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 08:53:44AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
>> 
>> I propose the following as new channel topic:
>> 
>> Welcome to Parabola - a free GNU/Linux distribution | Community
>> : https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ : 
>> https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other
>> distributions : 
>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions |
>> Stay a while and listen!
>> 
>> this is just a rough draft, feel free to rip it apart and
>> propose something better :)
>> 
>> (also, the last part is a joke, feel free to drop it)
>> 
>> -A
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 08:26:31PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
>>> El 30/04/17 a las 19:15, Josh Branning escribi?:
>>>> On 30/04/17 21:51, Megver83 wrote:
>>>>> Hi, as you may know, the IRC channel topic is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome to Parabola Community : 
>>>>> https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ : 
>>>>> https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other 
>>>>> distributions : 
>>>>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions
>>>>> | PenParabola : https://wiki.parabola.nu/PenParabola |
>>>>> Parabola Gaming Project : 
>>>>> https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Gaming_Project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But the ones who began those projects left, so I do not
>>>>> know if keeping that info is good (unless someone else
>>>>> maintains them) in both, the IRC and the Wiki.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it is worth keeping the information on the wiki
>>>> (perhaps with a note), even if nobody is actively working on
>>>> those things at the moment, somebody could always pick up
>>>> later on, from where things were left off. Some of the
>>>> information on those wiki pages are useful, especially the
>>>> comprehensive notes on free/non free pen testing packages.
>>> 
>>> Of course it's unnecessary to remove those wiki pages, we can
>>> put a note saying that those are currently inactive
>>> 
>>>> As to the IRC topic, if nobody is working on them it should 
>>>> probably be changed.
>>> 
>>> Yes, that's the point. It should appear fresh news, not dead
>>> projects.
>>> 
>>>> JMO,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh _______________________________________________ Dev
>>>> mailing list Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
>>>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>>> 
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 13:10:59 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:10:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Maintenance of RCN-libre patches
Message-ID: <c9e61345-df0e-d4b8-f055-981485c16c68@openmailbox.org>

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Hi everybody, I'm now maintaining the RCN-libre patches (those ones
for ARMv7h). What I basically do is to take them from coadde's GitHub
- --> https://github.com/coadde/rcn-libre
For now, I'm not going to touch the grsec patches. Maybe we can update
the linux-libre-grsec kernel to the latest libre version available and
abandon it *or* use other patches to replace it (like this fork? -->
https://github.com/coadde/grsecurity-libre ).

So just for you to know, so now we can compile linux-libre without
problem for ARMv7 (I assume only me :P ).

Regards,
Megver83.
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 13:46:55 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:46:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Linux-libre logos re-signed
Message-ID: <fbd127db-dabf-37d0-8dfa-4d256a5a61f4@openmailbox.org>

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Hi, I re-signed the linux-libre logos from
https://repomirror.parabola.nu/other/linux-libre/logos/ as it used
keys from hacker fellows (coadde). Jut an advise for you when
compiling a kernel.

Cheers.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 14:58:35 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 11:58:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>

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OK, updated libretools, I really liked this release! fixed the issue
with the ARMv7h machines (great!), doesn't complain because of
uncommited changes, it automatically stages the sources, etc :D

And a suggestion (maybe I could report it in labs), what if you add a
feature to make librerelease to ask for the SSh password only once? it
asks it like 4 times, and I understand why but just saying if
possible, would be better. Thanks anyway!

Cheers.

P.S.: Do you have planned to release a non-systemd version soon? I've
noticed there is an increasing interest for a non-systemd version of
libretools (because of the freedom to choose the init we want, and I
think you know that better than anyone), in which I include myself.
Maybe docker could be a good alternative to systemd-nspawn, what do u
think?

El 05/05/17 a las 23:14, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> I just released libretools 20170505 to [libre], and pushed the
> source tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.
> 
> This feels like a big release to me, but to a user it's actually 
> probably pretty minor.
> 
> The TL;DR of changes from 20170117 to 20170505:
> 
> - librechroot/libremakepkg: * The chroot version has been bumped
> from v3 to v4.  You will need to re-create your chroots. * Bugfix:
> Correctly handles when a btrfs subvolume exists inside of a chroot.
> It no longer errors when trying to delete or sync that chroot. -
> libremakepkg * Now produces full-sourceballs
> ($pkgbase-$fullpkgver-$arch$SRCEXT) of the sources used to compile
> a package.  Unlike sourceballs produced by `makepkg --allsource`,
> the architecture is included in the filename. - librestage: * Will
> stage the sourceballs that libremakepkg now creates (see above). *
> Will no longer complain if you have uncommitted changes in the 
> current directory.
> 
> The new sourceballs are important for GPL compliance, and for
> coming reproducible builds.
> 
> Ok, the detailed change notes:
> 
> Lots and lots of code cleanup and tests and maintenance.
> 
> As you may be aware, libretools includes modified copies of
> several programs from Arch's devtools.  With this release, I have
> worked hard to organize the modifications made, and submit many of
> them upstream to Arch.  I am very pleased at the number of times
> "@parabola.nu" now appears in Arch's devtools commit log.
> 
> The bigger of changes from 20170117 to 20170505:
> 
> - libremessages/messages.sh . common.sh: * find_cached_srcpackage
> was added * the (undocumented) check_root function is gone -
> librechroot/libremakepkg: . makechrootpkg.sh: * Do a better job of
> deciding when to use btrfs code. * (see above) Bugfix: Handles
> nested btrfs subvolumes. . arch-nspawn: * Bugfix: It should now be
> impossible for it to accidentally choose a file://var/cache URL as
> the pacman mirror URL. * Chroots now run with LANG=en_US.UTF-8
> instead of LANG=C. * (see above) The chroot version has been bumped
> from v3 to v4. - libremakepkg: . makechrootpkg.sh: * Chroot
> preparation has been simplified; no instead of having 
> /startdir_host and such be bind-mounted to the outside, with 
> symlinks in /startdir, the directories are bind-mounted directly. 
> Also, the build user numeric UID now matches the numeric UID of the
> invoking $SUDO_USER. * (see above) now produces full-sourceballs .
> distcc-tool: * Uses SO_REUSEADDR, so errors with calling it rapidly
> should be gone. * More sub-process management; there should be
> fewer superfluous error messages. * Bugfix: Correctly fail if a
> hook fails. * Bugfix: distcc should work correctly again. *
> Document that the MAKEFLAGS variable is set in the chroot.  Also, 
> generally touch up the documentation. - gitget: * Bugfix: correctly
> hande the -f[orce] flag on bare repositories. - librefetch: *
> Bugfix: Correctly handle existing SRCBUILD files. * Bugfix:
> Correctly fail if given bogus flags. - libredbdiff * Bugfix:
> correctly handle packages with multiple provides. * Has a
> configuration file now, instead of hardcoding everything. * Has
> more detailed --help text. - toru-path: * Bugfix: shouldn't be
> broken anymore * Has help text now. - librestage: * (see above)
> Stages libremakepkg-generated sourceballs. * (see above) No longer
> calls XBS; so it will no longer complain if you have uncommitted
> changes in the current directory. * Is ready for ${pkgbase}-debug
> packages that will be produced by the next version of pacman (are
> produced by pacman-git). * No longer requires the ARCHES
> libretools.conf variable, it now knows automatically - other *
> Update the build system from autothing v2 to v3 * Lots of general
> code cleanup . Lots of shellcheck-running * Lots more tests * Emacs
> is no longer required during the build process.  This is a result
> of getting changes upstreamed in Arch.
> 

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon May  8 15:35:50 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 12:35:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>
References: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87r2zzmkdl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
> And a suggestion (maybe I could report it in labs), what if you add a
> feature to make librerelease to ask for the SSh password only once? it
> asks it like 4 times, and I understand why but just saying if
> possible, would be better. Thanks anyway!

run ssh-agent ;)

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon May  8 15:41:27 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 12:41:27 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:

> yes, BTW, who administrates the IRC?

    /query chanserv
    info #parabola

but we removed -t mode on the channel a few years ago so anyone can
change the topic :O

subject to irc policy of course!

https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy

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From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Mon May  8 16:03:42 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 09:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Maintenance of RCN-libre patches
In-Reply-To: <c9e61345-df0e-d4b8-f055-981485c16c68@openmailbox.org>
References: <c9e61345-df0e-d4b8-f055-981485c16c68@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <7188794.9dJrJ7ELRf@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> For now, I'm not going to touch the grsec patches. Maybe we can update
> the linux-libre-grsec kernel to the latest libre version available and
> abandon it *or* use other patches to replace it (like this fork? -->
> https://github.com/coadde/grsecurity-libre ).
linux-libre-grsec has been dropped, at least on AUR.
I believe the successor project is linux-libre-hardened being developed by 
Gentoo, CopperheadOS, KSPP, and librefied by Emulatorman.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened/Hardened_Kernel_Project
https://github.com/thestinger/linux-hardened
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/linux-hardened/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/linux-libre-hardened/

If you would still like to update the grsec package so users can remain on 
grsec until hardened matures, I can provide a deblobbed copy of the final 
grsec test release, grsecurity-libre-3.1-4.9.24-201704252333.patch

If trust in my signature in inadequate, I can provide the original blobbed 
copy with original sig with deblobbing script if requested.


-jc
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 17:24:42 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 14:24:42 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87r2zzmkdl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>
 <87r2zzmkdl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <8329b014-7d61-5847-603e-abf78d0f69a9@openmailbox.org>

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Oh, I'm not really an expert on this. This is the output:

$ ssh-agent
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-8dKkICdg1HKh/agent.22997; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK;
SSH_AGENT_PID=22998; export SSH_AGENT_PID;
echo Agent pid 22998;

El 08/05/17 a las 12:35, fauno escribi?:
> Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
>> And a suggestion (maybe I could report it in labs), what if you
>> add a feature to make librerelease to ask for the SSh password
>> only once? it asks it like 4 times, and I understand why but just
>> saying if possible, would be better. Thanks anyway!
> 
> run ssh-agent ;)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 17:28:10 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 14:28:10 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
 <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <2c743b8f-77c6-508a-edbc-0da9910477c9@openmailbox.org>

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Great! I could take a look at it later, because I'm not really an
expert with IM commands :P

El 08/05/17 a las 12:41, fauno escribi?:
> Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
>> yes, BTW, who administrates the IRC?
> 
> /query chanserv info #parabola
> 
> but we removed -t mode on the channel a few years ago so anyone
> can change the topic :O
> 
> subject to irc policy of course!
> 
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Mon May  8 17:36:47 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 12:36:47 -0500
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <8329b014-7d61-5847-603e-abf78d0f69a9@openmailbox.org>
References: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>
 <87r2zzmkdl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <8329b014-7d61-5847-603e-abf78d0f69a9@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1494265007.1807.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 12:24, Megver83  a ?crit :
> Oh, I'm not really an expert on this. This is the output:
> 
> $ ssh-agent
> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-8dKkICdg1HKh/agent.22997; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK;
> SSH_AGENT_PID=22998; export SSH_AGENT_PID;
> echo Agent pid 22998;

you need to eval that and then add a key. it's all here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH_keys#SSH_agents

some desktops will make it even more automatic and transparent.

-- 
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GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943




From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Mon May  8 18:37:44 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 13:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 3:47, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
> why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we 
> need
> to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> indirection?

don't quote me on this, but I think Emulatorman consciously stuck to
iceweasel after Debian returned to vanilla firefox in order to avoid
coming up with our own rebranding. keep in mind that Mozilla never
amended their policy to allow _all_ redistributors to bear the firefox
trademark; the deal was between Mozilla and Debian alone. they could
still come after us for taking default settings and the addons page
apart, since our version of firefox is arguably less standard than
either Debian's or Arch's.

that said, you might be right that just using
`--disable-official-branding` would be easier if Debian has dropped
iceweasel completely now.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943




From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  8 21:04:23 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 23:04:23 +0200
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <2c743b8f-77c6-508a-edbc-0da9910477c9@openmailbox.org>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
 <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <2c743b8f-77c6-508a-edbc-0da9910477c9@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170508210423.GA15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


ChanServ doesn't like me:

> 23:02 <oaken-source> TOPIC #parabola Welcome to Parabola - a free GNU/Linux distribution |
>                      Community : https://gnusocial.net/group/parabola | FAQ :
>                      https:///wiki.parabola.nu/FAQ | Migration from other distributions :
>                      https://wiki.parabola.nu/Migration_from_other_distributions | Stay a while
>                      and listen!
> 23:02 -ChanServ(ChanServ at services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.

it appears that you actually do need special permissions to change the
topic.

taken from https://www.anope.org/docgen/1.8/en_us/ChanServ.html:
> [TOPIC is] By default, limited to those with founder access on the channel.

which, I guess, excludes me from the list :)

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:28:10PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> Great! I could take a look at it later, because I'm not really an
> expert with IM commands :P
> 
> El 08/05/17 a las 12:41, fauno escribi?:
> > Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
> > 
> >> yes, BTW, who administrates the IRC?
> > 
> > /query chanserv info #parabola
> > 
> > but we removed -t mode on the channel a few years ago so anyone
> > can change the topic :O
> > 
> > subject to irc policy of course!
> > 
> > https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> 
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon May  8 21:10:11 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 18:10:11 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <20170508210423.GA15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
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Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:
> which, I guess, excludes me from the list :)

mmmh, i'll check it tomorrow then!

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May  8 21:13:35 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 23:13:35 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I would like to continue using the name iceweasel and the iceweasel
rebranding. I know we can't use the name 'firefox' and I am probably not
able to come up with an original name anyway (EarthBadger anyone?).

That being said, since debian will drop the name, we will need to pick
it up and maintain the rebranding patches anyway, which is actually what
I have done for 53.0.

The change I am proposing is not away from iceweasel to something else,
but away from debian iceweasel to parabola iceweasel, using the latest
sources from upstream, and not the debian repos.


The same does probably apply to iceape and icedove. In fact, if this
proposal is approved, I will start to work on upgrading icedove, since
the version gap there is the greatest (45.8 => 52.1)



On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:37:44PM -0500, Isaac David wrote:
> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 3:47, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
> > why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> > original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
> > to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> > from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> > indirection?
> 
> don't quote me on this, but I think Emulatorman consciously stuck to
> iceweasel after Debian returned to vanilla firefox in order to avoid
> coming up with our own rebranding. keep in mind that Mozilla never
> amended their policy to allow _all_ redistributors to bear the firefox
> trademark; the deal was between Mozilla and Debian alone. they could
> still come after us for taking default settings and the addons page
> apart, since our version of firefox is arguably less standard than
> either Debian's or Arch's.
> 
> that said, you might be right that just using
> `--disable-official-branding` would be easier if Debian has dropped
> iceweasel completely now.
> 
> -- 
> Isaac David
> GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
> 
> 

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From eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 23:39:53 2017
From: eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org (eliotime3000)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 18:39:53 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <55ffa7e1-9ab7-e713-99d9-79d17303c0f1@openmailbox.org>

Of course. Unfortunately, the Debian repo sometimes could not update the 
SID branch due to the safety patches that requires.

Anyway, the Arch editions of Firefox are easy to keep it updated, with 
the patches that are being used for Iceweasel (I've checked in the 
"about:buildconfig" in both versions of Firefox {Debian and Arch}, and 
actually, there's no a featured difference between both versions in 
questions of patches and flags).

PS: If could be possible, please restore the "about:iceweasel" easter 
egg. It represents the reason of existence of Iceweasel.

Thanks.

Eliot.

El 08/05/17 a las 16:13, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> I would like to continue using the name iceweasel and the iceweasel
> rebranding. I know we can't use the name 'firefox' and I am probably not
> able to come up with an original name anyway (EarthBadger anyone?).
>
> That being said, since debian will drop the name, we will need to pick
> it up and maintain the rebranding patches anyway, which is actually what
> I have done for 53.0.
>
> The change I am proposing is not away from iceweasel to something else,
> but away from debian iceweasel to parabola iceweasel, using the latest
> sources from upstream, and not the debian repos.
>
>
> The same does probably apply to iceape and icedove. In fact, if this
> proposal is approved, I will start to work on upgrading icedove, since
> the version gap there is the greatest (45.8 => 52.1)
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:37:44PM -0500, Isaac David wrote:
>> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 3:47, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
>>> why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
>>> original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
>>> to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
>>> from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
>>> indirection?
>> don't quote me on this, but I think Emulatorman consciously stuck to
>> iceweasel after Debian returned to vanilla firefox in order to avoid
>> coming up with our own rebranding. keep in mind that Mozilla never
>> amended their policy to allow _all_ redistributors to bear the firefox
>> trademark; the deal was between Mozilla and Debian alone. they could
>> still come after us for taking default settings and the addons page
>> apart, since our version of firefox is arguably less standard than
>> either Debian's or Arch's.
>>
>> that said, you might be right that just using
>> `--disable-official-branding` would be easier if Debian has dropped
>> iceweasel completely now.
>>
>> -- 
>> Isaac David
>> GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
>>
>>
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From eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org  Mon May  8 23:48:43 2017
From: eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org (eliotime3000)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 18:48:43 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <10dc8fed-6102-105f-778d-30889822b3cd@openmailbox.org>

Simple: Tradition since the existence of Iceweasel, and Debian is 
actually one of the main contributors of Firefox source code. Actually, 
Debian recently established a raw transition system for migrate since 
Icedove to Thunderbird with the release of Debian 8.8 via aptitude.

Actually, Debian is stacked on Firefox ESR in stable and testing branch 
thanks by the RUST dependences that requires on Firefox release branch 
(53 and beyond).

Eliot.


El 08/05/17 a las 03:47, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> I'm looking into this atm, and the update seems trivial - I will rebuild
> and push today.
>
> But I was wondering - why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
> to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> indirection?
>
> My vote would be for following original firefox, if you couldn't tell ;)
> but I would be curious to see what the community thinks.
>
> Best,
> -A
>
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:20:35AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
>> eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
>>
>>
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-af 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-an 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-as 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ast/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-az 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-az/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-bg 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bg/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-bn-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-in/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-br/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-bs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bs/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ca 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ca/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-cak 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cak/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-cs 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cs/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-cy 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cy/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-da 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-da/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-de 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-de/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-dsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-dsb/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-el 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-el/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-en-gb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-gb/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-en-us 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-us/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-en-za 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-za/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-eo 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eo/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-es-ar 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-ar/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-es-cl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-cl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-es-es 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-es/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-es-mx 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-mx/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-et 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-et/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-eu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eu/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-fa 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fa/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ff 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ff/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-fi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fi/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-fr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fr/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-gd 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gd/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-gl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-gn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gn/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-gu-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gu-in/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-he 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-he/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-hi-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hi-in/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-hr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hr/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-hsb 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hsb/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-hu 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hu/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-hy-am 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hy-am/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-id 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-id/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-is 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-is/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-it 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-it/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ja 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ja/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ka 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ka/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-kab 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kab/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-kk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kk/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-km 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-km/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-kn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kn/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ko 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ko/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-lij 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lij/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-lt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lt/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-lv 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lv/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-mai 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mai/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-mk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mk/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ml 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ml/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-mr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mr/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ms 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ms/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-nb-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nb-no/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-nl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-nn-no 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nn-no/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-or 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-or/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-pa-in 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pa-in/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-pl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-pt-br 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-br/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-rm 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-rm/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ro 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ro/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ru 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ru/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-si 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-si/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-sk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sk/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-sl 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sl/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-son 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-son/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-sq 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sq/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-sr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sr/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-sv-se 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sv-se/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-ta 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ta/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-te 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-te/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-th 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-th/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-tr 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-tr/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-uk 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uk/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-uz 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uz/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-vi 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-vi/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-xh 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-xh/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn/
>> * iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw 1:53.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw/
>>
>>
>> The user provided the following additional text:
>>
>> Please update Iceweasel to the version 53.0.2, according to the release branch of the Debian edition of Mozilla Firefox located in Debian SID repos.
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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From nospam at curso.re  Mon May  8 19:06:54 2017
From: nospam at curso.re (nospam at curso.re)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 20:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Dev] icu 59.1 broke calibre
Message-ID: <878tm7f9rl.fsf@example.com>

Hello,

I have just tried to run calibre and it's failing because it can't find
libicui18n.so.58 (which is not available any more in Parabola)

The error is below

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/calibre", line 19, in <module>
    from calibre.gui_launch import calibre
  File "/usr/lib/calibre/calibre/__init__.py", line 22, in <module>
    from calibre.startup import winutil, winutilerror
  File "/usr/lib/calibre/calibre/startup.py", line 151, in <module>
    from calibre.utils.icu import title_case, lower as icu_lower, upper as icu_upper
  File "/usr/lib/calibre/calibre/utils/icu.py", line 28, in <module>
    raise RuntimeError('Failed to load icu with error: %s' % err)
RuntimeError: Failed to load icu with error: libicui18n.so.58: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/calibre/calibre/ptempfile.py:29: RuntimeWarning: Parent module 'calibre' not found while handling absolute import
  import shutil

In fact, calibre is trying to load an shared object that depends on icu 58

 ldd /usr/lib/calibre/calibre/plugins/icu.so
        linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe66d88000)
        libpython2.7.so.1.0 => /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0 (0x00007f9ac1d32000)
        libicui18n.so.58 => not found
        libicuuc.so.58 => not found
        libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f9ac198e000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f9ac1770000)
        libdl.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f9ac156c000)
        libutil.so.1 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f9ac1367000)
        libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007f9ac1054000)
        /usr/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x000055a411a74000)

I tried to rebuild calibre from abslibre but makepkg fails because it
can't verify the package with gpg (even after pacman-key --refresh-keys):

==> Making package: calibre 2.83.0-2.parabola1 (Mon May  8 19:51:18 BST 2017)
==> Checking runtime dependencies...
==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Found calibre-libre-2.83.0.tar.xz
  -> Found calibre-libre-2.83.0.tar.xz.sig
==> Validating source files with sha512sums...
    calibre-libre-2.83.0.tar.xz ... Passed
    calibre-libre-2.83.0.tar.xz.sig ... Skipped
==> Verifying source file signatures with gpg...
    calibre-libre-2.83.0.tar.xz ... FAILED (invalid public key 49F707A1CB366C580E625B3C456032D717A4CD9C)
==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!

I am a bit out of options here and your help is much appreciated.

Thanks,

-- S.



From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May  9 05:37:09 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 00:37:09 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1494308229.22829.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 16:13, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
> 
> The change I am proposing is not away from iceweasel to something 
> else,
> but away from debian iceweasel to parabola iceweasel, using the latest
> sources from upstream, and not the debian repos.
> 
> 
> The same does probably apply to iceape and icedove. In fact, if this
> proposal is approved, I will start to work on upgrading icedove, since
> the version gap there is the greatest (45.8 => 52.1)

+1


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May  9 08:50:41 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:50:41 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [gnome-settings-daemon] marked
 out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170509085041.1073.19876@proton.parabola.nu>

alessi at robertalessi.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

Hi,

gnome-settings-daemon needs to be upgraded to v3.24 for those who have nonprism enabled.  See this issue https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1292

Many thanks, Robert



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May  9 09:32:42 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 09:32:42 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [empathy] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170509093242.1073.12173@proton.parabola.nu>

jsximes at yahoo.com.br wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

seems like 'empathy' directly depends on 'icu'. I am not sure this dependency should be added on Archlinux/extra and Parabola/pcr

empathy: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.58: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory




From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May  9 10:21:41 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 12:21:41 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [empathy] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170509093242.1073.12173@proton.parabola.nu>
References: <20170509093242.1073.12173@proton.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <20170509102141.GA2627@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


this is a webkitgtk issue:

> $ lddtree /usr/bin/empathy
> /usr/bin/empathy (interpreter => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2)
>     libempathy-gtk-3.21.1.20170425.so => /usr/lib/empathy/libempathy-gtk-3.21.1.20170425.so
>         libwebkit2gtk-4.0.so.37 => /usr/lib/libwebkit2gtk-4.0.so.37
>             libicui18n.so.59 => /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.59
>             libicuuc.so.59 => /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.59
>                 libicudata.so.59 => /usr/lib/libicudata.so.59

probably the nonprism variant needs to be rebuilt.

-A


On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 09:32:42AM -0000, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> jsximes at yahoo.com.br wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> seems like 'empathy' directly depends on 'icu'. I am not sure this dependency should be added on Archlinux/extra and Parabola/pcr
> 
> empathy: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.58: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> 
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From adfeno at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 13:20:48 2017
From: adfeno at openmailbox.org (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 10:20:48 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org> (Eliot
 Reyna's message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:47:13 +0000")
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
 <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org>

I'm in favor of supporting Iridium instead of Chromium.

While people may argue that there are not enough proof that Chromium has
freedom issues, I think it would be more risky if we were to overlook
the issue.

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From deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net  Tue May  9 13:36:08 2017
From: deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net (=?utf-8?B?Tmljb2zDoXMgQS4=?= Ortega)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:36:08 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org>
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
 <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
 <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170509133608.GA982@athena>

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 10:20:48AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> I'm in favor of supporting Iridium instead of Chromium.
> 
> While people may argue that there are not enough proof that Chromium has
> freedom issues, I think it would be more risky if we were to overlook
> the issue.

While I am one of those people, I do agree that the mere fact alone that
Chromium has been under so much fire means it's too risky to include
Chromium directly. Either using Iridium or Ungoogled-Chromium would be
my suggestion.

I would, however, like it if whichever project we choose (Iridium or
Ungoogled-Chromium), that it be very careful about making sure that
everything in Chromium is free. This may be a difficult task considering
how fast Chromium's development is, however I believe that having
outdated versions of Chromium is not as bad as having a non-free
Chromium that nobody noticed.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 14:03:04 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 11:03:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Why is db-import-archlinuxarm disabled?
Message-ID: <20170509140313.A974E51616F@mail.openmailbox.org>

Hi, just updated linux-libre-lts  for ARM but when updating the database the package doesn't upload. Then I remembered that ovruni told me that db-import-archlinuxarm-pkg was commented in crontab, then checked it just to probe that, and in fact it's true. Why? Who can enable it, please? We don't want an outdated platform.

Regards,
Megver83.

From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 14:55:09 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 11:55:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
 <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
 <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org> <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
Message-ID: <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>

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Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this because,
what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will become a
bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free distros too.
Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the GNU Project, they
could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium like they did with
Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").

For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the packages
that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and we block a lot
of free software that depends or works only with nonfree packages
(with no [libre] replacement).

El 09/05/17 a las 10:36, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 10:20:48AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira
> wrote:
>> I'm in favor of supporting Iridium instead of Chromium.
>> 
>> While people may argue that there are not enough proof that
>> Chromium has freedom issues, I think it would be more risky if we
>> were to overlook the issue.
> 
> While I am one of those people, I do agree that the mere fact alone
> that Chromium has been under so much fire means it's too risky to
> include Chromium directly. Either using Iridium or
> Ungoogled-Chromium would be my suggestion.
> 
> I would, however, like it if whichever project we choose (Iridium
> or Ungoogled-Chromium), that it be very careful about making sure
> that everything in Chromium is free. This may be a difficult task
> considering how fast Chromium's development is, however I believe
> that having outdated versions of Chromium is not as bad as having a
> non-free Chromium that nobody noticed.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Tue May  9 15:20:49 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 08:20:49 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org> <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
 <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1913339.YelcgAeDkL@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this because,
> what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will become a
> bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free distros too.
> Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the GNU Project, they
> could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium like they did with
> Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").
I fail to see how a libre Chromium relates to or resolves the blacklisting of 
qt5-webengine. There has still been no evidence posted as to how qt5-webengine 
is non-free, nor has anyone accusing qt5-webengine of being non-free reported 
their claims upstream to Qt to be fixed at the source. (pun intended)

https://bugreports.qt.io/


-jc
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 15:33:30 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 12:33:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Deletion of linux-libre-grsec
Message-ID: <b3298ae9-bd31-f2b1-3ecc-651d5c85e9da@openmailbox.org>

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Hi, as most of us may know, GRSecurity is now nonfree, and even Arch
Linux removed it from its repositories.
Now, they have created the linux-hardened kernel -->
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/linux-hardened/
which is only for x64, but we can patch the i686 kernel (and maybe ARM
if possible too).

What do u think?

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From deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net  Tue May  9 15:40:48 2017
From: deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net (=?utf-8?B?Tmljb2zDoXMgQS4=?= Ortega)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 17:40:48 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
 <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
 <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org> <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
 <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170509154048.GA909@athena>

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this because,
> what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will become a
> bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free distros too.
> Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the GNU Project, they
> could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium like they did with
> Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").
> 

Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU project.

> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the packages
> that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and we block a lot
> of free software that depends or works only with nonfree packages
> (with no [libre] replacement).

I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about qt5-webengine? The
only argument I've heard so far is that it uses Chromium, yet there is
still no real dirt on Chromium being non-free. Unless someone can start
pointing out specific files in qt5-webengine's source/dependencies that
are non-free I would propose taking it off the blacklist. This has been
going on for way too long and we're getting ahead of ourselves. First
you make it evident that it is non-free *then* you begin discussion on
how to deal with it. This is putting the cart in front of the ox. If
someone is suspected of murder then you do not start thinking about what
their sentence should be until they have been convicted. Let's please be
at least a little bit skeptical of how so much effort has been going in
to blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no valid
evidence is anywhere to be found.

I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I mentioned in
the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to have been lost in the huge
donation issue bruhaha) that this information should all be concentrated
in *one place* that is easily accessible for everyone to see and should
be easily edited in the case that certain sources are wrong (as I have
seen them to be in this enormous mess we've been in for months now).

-- 
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https://themusicinnoise.net/
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 15:44:07 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 12:44:07 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <20170509154048.GA909@athena>
References: <E1ckhWo-0002JR-Ca@fencepost.gnu.org>
 <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
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I agree, there aren't proves yet

El 09/05/17 a las 12:40, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
>> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this
>> because, what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will
>> become a bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free
>> distros too. Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the
>> GNU Project, they could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium
>> like they did with Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").
>> 
> 
> Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU
> project.
> 
>> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the
>> packages that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and
>> we block a lot of free software that depends or works only with
>> nonfree packages (with no [libre] replacement).
> 
> I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about qt5-webengine?
> The only argument I've heard so far is that it uses Chromium, yet
> there is still no real dirt on Chromium being non-free. Unless
> someone can start pointing out specific files in qt5-webengine's
> source/dependencies that are non-free I would propose taking it off
> the blacklist. This has been going on for way too long and we're
> getting ahead of ourselves. First you make it evident that it is
> non-free *then* you begin discussion on how to deal with it. This
> is putting the cart in front of the ox. If someone is suspected of
> murder then you do not start thinking about what their sentence
> should be until they have been convicted. Let's please be at least
> a little bit skeptical of how so much effort has been going in to
> blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no
> valid evidence is anywhere to be found.
> 
> I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I
> mentioned in the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to have
> been lost in the huge donation issue bruhaha) that this information
> should all be concentrated in *one place* that is easily accessible
> for everyone to see and should be easily edited in the case that
> certain sources are wrong (as I have seen them to be in this
> enormous mess we've been in for months now).
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net  Tue May  9 16:10:00 2017
From: deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net (=?utf-8?B?Tmljb2zDoXMgQS4=?= Ortega)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 18:10:00 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <14df6bb5-eabc-c35f-77dd-f9f358cddad2@openmailbox.org>
References: <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <12733671.JIlGi94sWX@kongou> <20170317173745.GA892@athena>
 <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
 <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org> <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
 <70748c21-2553-4660-8eb0-85abf2193147@openmailbox.org>
 <20170509154048.GA909@athena>
 <14df6bb5-eabc-c35f-77dd-f9f358cddad2@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170509161000.GB909@athena>

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:44:07PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> 
> I agree, there aren't proves yet
> 

And there haven't been for the past few months since this has started. I
think it's high time we take at least qt5-webengine of the blacklist.
Once someone can actually prove something (which in the past *few
months* no one has managed to do) then it can go back on the blacklist
as we reevaluate evidence. Until then, any discussion on what to do with
'non-free' chromium is just pointless.

> El 09/05/17 a las 12:40, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
> > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> >> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this
> >> because, what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it will
> >> become a bigger problem not only for us, but for the other free
> >> distros too. Maybe we should discuss this with the FSF and/or the
> >> GNU Project, they could fork Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium
> >> like they did with Icecat (like creating an "Icemium").
> >> 
> > 
> > Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU
> > project.
> > 
> >> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the
> >> packages that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree, and
> >> we block a lot of free software that depends or works only with
> >> nonfree packages (with no [libre] replacement).
> > 
> > I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about qt5-webengine?
> > The only argument I've heard so far is that it uses Chromium, yet
> > there is still no real dirt on Chromium being non-free. Unless
> > someone can start pointing out specific files in qt5-webengine's
> > source/dependencies that are non-free I would propose taking it off
> > the blacklist. This has been going on for way too long and we're
> > getting ahead of ourselves. First you make it evident that it is
> > non-free *then* you begin discussion on how to deal with it. This
> > is putting the cart in front of the ox. If someone is suspected of
> > murder then you do not start thinking about what their sentence
> > should be until they have been convicted. Let's please be at least
> > a little bit skeptical of how so much effort has been going in to
> > blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no
> > valid evidence is anywhere to be found.
> > 
> > I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I
> > mentioned in the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to have
> > been lost in the huge donation issue bruhaha) that this information
> > should all be concentrated in *one place* that is easily accessible
> > for everyone to see and should be easily edited in the case that
> > certain sources are wrong (as I have seen them to be in this
> > enormous mess we've been in for months now).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> 
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 16:28:08 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:28:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <20170509161000.GB909@athena>
References: <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
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Now, I've a question, as qt5-webengine is based in Chromium, is it
"Googled"? Because in that case it'd be a security flaw I think.

El 09/05/17 a las 13:10, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:44:07PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
>> 
>> I agree, there aren't proves yet
>> 
> 
> And there haven't been for the past few months since this has
> started. I think it's high time we take at least qt5-webengine of
> the blacklist. Once someone can actually prove something (which in
> the past *few months* no one has managed to do) then it can go back
> on the blacklist as we reevaluate evidence. Until then, any
> discussion on what to do with 'non-free' chromium is just
> pointless.
> 
>> El 09/05/17 a las 12:40, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
>>> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 11:55:09AM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
>>>> Is this really an internal problem of Parabola? I say this 
>>>> because, what if other distros adopt qt5-webengine? then it
>>>> will become a bigger problem not only for us, but for the
>>>> other free distros too. Maybe we should discuss this with the
>>>> FSF and/or the GNU Project, they could fork
>>>> Chromium/Iridium/Ungoogled-chromium like they did with Icecat
>>>> (like creating an "Icemium").
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or Ungoogled-Chromium/Iridium could attempt to join the GNU 
>>> project.
>>> 
>>>> For now, I think the best thing would be to blacklist the 
>>>> packages that depend on webengine, after all, it is nonfree,
>>>> and we block a lot of free software that depends or works
>>>> only with nonfree packages (with no [libre] replacement).
>>> 
>>> I would like to ask, what exactly is non-free about
>>> qt5-webengine? The only argument I've heard so far is that it
>>> uses Chromium, yet there is still no real dirt on Chromium
>>> being non-free. Unless someone can start pointing out specific
>>> files in qt5-webengine's source/dependencies that are non-free
>>> I would propose taking it off the blacklist. This has been
>>> going on for way too long and we're getting ahead of ourselves.
>>> First you make it evident that it is non-free *then* you begin
>>> discussion on how to deal with it. This is putting the cart in
>>> front of the ox. If someone is suspected of murder then you do
>>> not start thinking about what their sentence should be until
>>> they have been convicted. Let's please be at least a little bit
>>> skeptical of how so much effort has been going in to 
>>> blacklisting chromium and anything using it but absolutely no 
>>> valid evidence is anywhere to be found.
>>> 
>>> I will say as I have in a previous e-mail (and something I 
>>> mentioned in the Quarantine Process proposal that seems to
>>> have been lost in the huge donation issue bruhaha) that this
>>> information should all be concentrated in *one place* that is
>>> easily accessible for everyone to see and should be easily
>>> edited in the case that certain sources are wrong (as I have
>>> seen them to be in this enormous mess we've been in for months
>>> now).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing
>>> list Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
>>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>>> 
>> 
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May  9 16:49:11 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 11:49:11 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Why is db-import-archlinuxarm disabled?
In-Reply-To: <20170509140313.A974E51616F@mail.openmailbox.org>
References: <20170509140313.A974E51616F@mail.openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1494348551.1626.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le mar. 9 mai 2017 ? 9:03, Megver83 a ?crit :
> Why?

prevent dependency drift and breakage between outdated Parabola
packages and ALARM packages back when I was taking care of it.

> Who can enable it, please?

you can, anyone with repo access can:

    EDITOR=${your-favorite-editor} crontab -e

uncomment and wait. I recommend that it not be done unless [libre]
is in good shape.

-- 
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GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943



From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 16:53:26 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 13:53:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Why is db-import-archlinuxarm disabled?
In-Reply-To: <1494348551.1626.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <20170509140313.A974E51616F@mail.openmailbox.org>
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El 09/05/17 a las 13:49, Isaac David escribi?:
> Le mar. 9 mai 2017 ? 9:03, Megver83 a ?crit :
>> Why?
> 
> prevent dependency drift and breakage between outdated Parabola 
> packages and ALARM packages back when I was taking care of it.
> 
>> Who can enable it, please?
> 
> you can, anyone with repo access can:
> 
> EDITOR=${your-favorite-editor} crontab -e

yes, even through CLI

> uncomment and wait. I recommend that it not be done unless [libre] 
> is in good shape.
> 
well, just updated linux-libre-lts

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May  9 17:53:30 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 14:53:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Deletion of linux-libre-grsec
In-Reply-To: <b3298ae9-bd31-f2b1-3ecc-651d5c85e9da@openmailbox.org>
References: <b3298ae9-bd31-f2b1-3ecc-651d5c85e9da@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <871srxnch1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:

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> Hi, as most of us may know, GRSecurity is now nonfree, and even Arch
> Linux removed it from its repositories.
> Now, they have created the linux-hardened kernel -->
> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/linux-hardened/
> which is only for x64, but we can patch the i686 kernel (and maybe ARM
> if possible too).

if it's on official repos, we should blacklist linux-hardened and
replace it with libre/linux-libre-hardened :)

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 18:12:30 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:12:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Deletion of linux-libre-grsec
In-Reply-To: <871srxnch1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
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Yes, totally agree, in fact linux-hardened is blacklisted and I
removed linux-grsec* pkgs from the blacklist (because now they don't
exist).

El 09/05/17 a las 14:53, fauno escribi?:
> Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
>> Hi, as most of us may know, GRSecurity is now nonfree, and even
>> Arch Linux removed it from its repositories. Now, they have
>> created the linux-hardened kernel --> 
>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/linux-hardened/
>>
>> 
which is only for x64, but we can patch the i686 kernel (and maybe ARM
>> if possible too).
> 
> if it's on official repos, we should blacklist linux-hardened and 
> replace it with libre/linux-libre-hardened :)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Tue May  9 20:03:04 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 16:03:04 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170505 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87r2zzmkdl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <871ss23f5i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <675eb511-847c-acca-2d7b-9e9e30cb78d0@openmailbox.org>
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On Mon, 08 May 2017 11:35:50 -0400,
fauno wrote:
> Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:
> > And a suggestion (maybe I could report it in labs), what if you add a
> > feature to make librerelease to ask for the SSh password only once? it
> > asks it like 4 times, and I understand why but just saying if
> > possible, would be better. Thanks anyway!
> 
> run ssh-agent ;)

Alternatively, configure SSH ControlMaster.  The default configuration
will create an SSH connection in the background
(libretools.conf:HOOKPRERELEASE); if you configure SSH to be able to
reuse connections, it will only ask for your SSH password when
creating the initial background connection.

	$ cat ~/.ssh/config
	Host *
		ControlMaster auto
		ControlPath ~/.ssh/master-%r@%h:%p

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Tue May  9 21:34:18 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 22:34:18 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
Message-ID: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>

carl9170 firmware is Free Software but Parabola has removed it from linux-libre-firmware

This means my wireless card cannot work (even though it works fine in
Trisquel). I had to get firmware from archlinux package to fix.

here is the licence: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/carl9170fw

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May  9 21:41:37 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 18:41:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <4041e53c-ba81-a926-37a1-2537f00c912c@openmailbox.org>

Similar to you, my wireless card also stopped being detected :(

El 09/05/17 a las 18:34, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> carl9170 firmware is Free Software but Parabola has removed it from
> linux-libre-firmware
> 
> This means my wireless card cannot work (even though it works fine
> in Trisquel). I had to get firmware from archlinux package to fix.
> 
> here is the licence:
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/carl9170fw
>
> 
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May  9 22:00:26 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 19:00:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <87wp9pn11h.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Joseph Graham <joseph at xylon.me.uk> writes:

> carl9170 firmware is Free Software but Parabola has removed it from linux-libre-firmware
>
> This means my wireless card cannot work (even though it works fine in
> Trisquel). I had to get firmware from archlinux package to fix.
>
> here is the licence: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/carl9170fw

if it's included in linux-firmware you should report this to
linux-libre-firmware which is where we're getting our sources :)

i'm copying lxo, though i don't know if this is his working address.

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May  9 22:03:51 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 19:03:51 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <87wp9pn11h.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
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Message-ID: <87tw4tn0vs.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> Joseph Graham <joseph at xylon.me.uk> writes:
>
>> carl9170 firmware is Free Software but Parabola has removed it from linux-libre-firmware
>>
>> This means my wireless card cannot work (even though it works fine in
>> Trisquel). I had to get firmware from archlinux package to fix.
>>
>> here is the licence: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/carl9170fw
>
> if it's included in linux-firmware you should report this to
> linux-libre-firmware which is where we're getting our sources :)
>
> i'm copying lxo, though i don't know if this is his working address.

got the correct address now :P

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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May 10 00:43:00 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 20:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <509129d1-ca73-2308-4b15-8927de72ac64@openmailbox.org>
References: <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
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On 05/09/2017 12:28 PM, Megver83 wrote:
> Now, I've a question, as qt5-webengine is based in Chromium, is it
> "Googled"? Because in that case it'd be a security flaw I think.
>
> El 09/05/17 a las 13:10, Nicol?s A. Ortega escribi?:
> > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:44:07PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree, there aren't proves yet
> >>
>
> > And there haven't been for the past few months since this has
> > started. I think it's high time we take at least qt5-webengine of
> > the blacklist. Once someone can actually prove something (which in
> > the past *few months* no one has managed to do) then it can go back
> > on the blacklist as we reevaluate evidence. Until then, any
> > discussion on what to do with 'non-free' chromium is just
> > pointless.
>

Stallman is sitting on an article which he was going to post, but said
"It is going to take time. (March 5, 2016)
The article does raise the issues, link to the infringing source code,
and mentions his proposed fix (GNU fork of Ungoogled-Chromium). I sent
him the original draft article explaining the issue and he re-wrote
several portions of it.

As far as being "Googled", grep -r "google.com" should give you the
answer for any chromium based project. Separating the service from the
software requires dedication and patience. I would agree with using
ungoogled-chromium since they've done most of the heavy lifting and
already include Iridium patches along with several others.

Any program using these is already affected -
Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF), QTWebengine, and NW.js.


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From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Wed May 10 02:15:33 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 19:15:33 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <2a5e11fb-cf55-85af-4309-0dbb6b6b752d@openmailbox.org>
References: <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
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Message-ID: <6676205.YP7ApnRaKS@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> The article does raise the issues, link to the infringing source code,
> and mentions his proposed fix (GNU fork of Ungoogled-Chromium). I sent
> him the original draft article explaining the issue and he re-wrote
> several portions of it.
Why wait? QtWebEngine seemed quite receptive to your previous query, so post 
the evidence to the QtWebEngine mailing list.

http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/qtwebengine
qtwebengine at qt-project.org

The sooner they are informed in detail, the sooner the issues can be resolved.


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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Wed May 10 07:05:00 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:05:00 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <87wp9pn11h.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
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Message-ID: <20170510070500.GA585@avalon-parabola.home>

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 07:00:26PM -0300, fauno wrote:

> if it's included in linux-firmware you should report this to
> linux-libre-firmware which is where we're getting our sources :)

yeah, it is in linux-firmware.

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I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
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And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 10 07:23:14 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 09:23:14 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Icedove-52.1 going up to [libre-testing] soon - Was: Orphan
 Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <55ffa7e1-9ab7-e713-99d9-79d17303c0f1@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
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Message-ID: <20170510072314.GA5323@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Following the discussion below, I built the latest thunderbird release
(52.1.0) and rebranded it to icedove, and ported many freedom issue
patches from iceweasel over.

The build is running now for i686 and x86_64 and I will push the
packages later, first to [libre-testing] - would anybody be inclined to
test them? I'm not an icedove user myself, and might miss some subtle
flaws, hence I don't want to push to [libre] immediately.

Would it be appropriate to bump the epoch of icedove to 2 with this
change?

-A

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 06:39:53PM -0500, eliotime3000 wrote:
> Of course. Unfortunately, the Debian repo sometimes could not update the SID
> branch due to the safety patches that requires.
> 
> Anyway, the Arch editions of Firefox are easy to keep it updated, with the
> patches that are being used for Iceweasel (I've checked in the
> "about:buildconfig" in both versions of Firefox {Debian and Arch}, and
> actually, there's no a featured difference between both versions in
> questions of patches and flags).
> 
> PS: If could be possible, please restore the "about:iceweasel" easter egg.
> It represents the reason of existence of Iceweasel.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Eliot.
> 
> El 08/05/17 a las 16:13, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> > I would like to continue using the name iceweasel and the iceweasel
> > rebranding. I know we can't use the name 'firefox' and I am probably not
> > able to come up with an original name anyway (EarthBadger anyone?).
> > 
> > That being said, since debian will drop the name, we will need to pick
> > it up and maintain the rebranding patches anyway, which is actually what
> > I have done for 53.0.
> > 
> > The change I am proposing is not away from iceweasel to something else,
> > but away from debian iceweasel to parabola iceweasel, using the latest
> > sources from upstream, and not the debian repos.
> > 
> > 
> > The same does probably apply to iceape and icedove. In fact, if this
> > proposal is approved, I will start to work on upgrading icedove, since
> > the version gap there is the greatest (45.8 => 52.1)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:37:44PM -0500, Isaac David wrote:
> > > Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 3:47, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
> > > > why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> > > > original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
> > > > to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> > > > from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> > > > indirection?
> > > don't quote me on this, but I think Emulatorman consciously stuck to
> > > iceweasel after Debian returned to vanilla firefox in order to avoid
> > > coming up with our own rebranding. keep in mind that Mozilla never
> > > amended their policy to allow _all_ redistributors to bear the firefox
> > > trademark; the deal was between Mozilla and Debian alone. they could
> > > still come after us for taking default settings and the addons page
> > > apart, since our version of firefox is arguably less standard than
> > > either Debian's or Arch's.
> > > 
> > > that said, you might be right that just using
> > > `--disable-official-branding` would be easier if Debian has dropped
> > > iceweasel completely now.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Isaac David
> > > GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net  Wed May 10 08:48:10 2017
From: deathsbreed at themusicinnoise.net (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Ortega Froysa)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 10:48:10 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
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Message-ID: <20170510084810.GA1089@athena>

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 08:43:00PM -0400, Luke wrote:
> Stallman is sitting on an article which he was going to post, but said
> "It is going to take time. (March 5, 2016)
> The article does raise the issues, link to the infringing source code,
> and mentions his proposed fix (GNU fork of Ungoogled-Chromium). I sent
> him the original draft article explaining the issue and he re-wrote
> several portions of it.

Regardless of the article, where is the infringing source code (exact
files that I can look up in the repo, please)? I understand the need for
a libre fork (exactly as what we do with Mozilla Firefox, but we don't
go around saying that's non-free, just that it promotes non-free
addons), but with regards to Qt5 Webengine and all software that uses
it, I would very much appreciate if this knowledge were shared instead
of sitting in a safe until Richard decides to publish his article.

I believe I mentioned this to fauno last night, but I would really
suggest creating an etherpad where all this information can be
concentrated so that everyone can see it and add comments on their
validity (especially with whatever pertains to Qt5 Webengine).

-- 
Nicol?s Ortega Froysa (Deathsbreed)
https://themusicinnoise.net/
http://uk7ewohr7xpjuaca.onion/
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 10 12:09:21 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:09:21 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Icedove-52.1 going up to [libre-testing] soon - Was:
 Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170510072314.GA5323@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <20170510120921.GA28245@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


the build is done and looks good at first glance. any volunteers for
some initial tests?

any opinions on the epoch bump? I am particularily unsure about this.

-A

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 09:23:14AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> Following the discussion below, I built the latest thunderbird release
> (52.1.0) and rebranded it to icedove, and ported many freedom issue
> patches from iceweasel over.
> 
> The build is running now for i686 and x86_64 and I will push the
> packages later, first to [libre-testing] - would anybody be inclined to
> test them? I'm not an icedove user myself, and might miss some subtle
> flaws, hence I don't want to push to [libre] immediately.
> 
> Would it be appropriate to bump the epoch of icedove to 2 with this
> change?
> 
> -A
> 
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 06:39:53PM -0500, eliotime3000 wrote:
> > Of course. Unfortunately, the Debian repo sometimes could not update the SID
> > branch due to the safety patches that requires.
> > 
> > Anyway, the Arch editions of Firefox are easy to keep it updated, with the
> > patches that are being used for Iceweasel (I've checked in the
> > "about:buildconfig" in both versions of Firefox {Debian and Arch}, and
> > actually, there's no a featured difference between both versions in
> > questions of patches and flags).
> > 
> > PS: If could be possible, please restore the "about:iceweasel" easter egg.
> > It represents the reason of existence of Iceweasel.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Eliot.
> > 
> > El 08/05/17 a las 16:13, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> > > I would like to continue using the name iceweasel and the iceweasel
> > > rebranding. I know we can't use the name 'firefox' and I am probably not
> > > able to come up with an original name anyway (EarthBadger anyone?).
> > > 
> > > That being said, since debian will drop the name, we will need to pick
> > > it up and maintain the rebranding patches anyway, which is actually what
> > > I have done for 53.0.
> > > 
> > > The change I am proposing is not away from iceweasel to something else,
> > > but away from debian iceweasel to parabola iceweasel, using the latest
> > > sources from upstream, and not the debian repos.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The same does probably apply to iceape and icedove. In fact, if this
> > > proposal is approved, I will start to work on upgrading icedove, since
> > > the version gap there is the greatest (45.8 => 52.1)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:37:44PM -0500, Isaac David wrote:
> > > > Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 3:47, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
> > > > > why are we tracking debian firefox instead of the
> > > > > original firefox? Now that debian has discontinued iceweasel and we need
> > > > > to maintain the branding patches ourselves anyway, what is barring us
> > > > > from following the original firefox releases, and remove one level of
> > > > > indirection?
> > > > don't quote me on this, but I think Emulatorman consciously stuck to
> > > > iceweasel after Debian returned to vanilla firefox in order to avoid
> > > > coming up with our own rebranding. keep in mind that Mozilla never
> > > > amended their policy to allow _all_ redistributors to bear the firefox
> > > > trademark; the deal was between Mozilla and Debian alone. they could
> > > > still come after us for taking default settings and the addons page
> > > > apart, since our version of firefox is arguably less standard than
> > > > either Debian's or Arch's.
> > > > 
> > > > that said, you might be right that just using
> > > > `--disable-official-branding` would be easier if Debian has dropped
> > > > iceweasel completely now.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Isaac David
> > > > GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dev mailing list
> > > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From elyzabethvonreuenthal at iserlohn-fortress.net  Wed May 10 15:11:42 2017
From: elyzabethvonreuenthal at iserlohn-fortress.net (Elyzabeth von Reuenthal)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 17:11:42 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <2a5e11fb-cf55-85af-4309-0dbb6b6b752d@openmailbox.org>
References: <f7103475-0791-0433-ff37-24fcd4ace356@riseup.net>
 <509129d1-ca73-2308-4b15-8927de72ac64@openmailbox.org>
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Message-ID: <57498385.fDcQmK3QSt@kongou>

> Stallman is sitting on an article which he was going to post, but said
> "It is going to take time. (March 5, 2016)
Soon(TM). In the meantime, enjoy a slightly broken KDE.

> The article does raise the issues, link to the infringing source code,
> and mentions his proposed fix (GNU fork of Ungoogled-Chromium). I sent
> him the original draft article explaining the issue and he re-wrote
> several portions of it.
Article talks about Chromium, we talk about QtWebEngine. By this logic, 
because Firefox has freedom flaws, then any Firefox fork, _because it is based 
on Firefox_, has freedom flaws as well.

> As far as being "Googled", grep -r "google.com" should give you the
> answer for any chromium based project. 
- This software is unfree.
- Ok, what are the issues?
- Go find them yourself.
No, this is so ridiculously backwards. The burden of proof should be on the 
accuser.
As it stands, all we know is that due to some etheral and intangible 
complaints and article, a package has been blacklisted. We cannot be told what 
the issues are because we should find them ourselves by trudging through source 
code in a repository that's probably pushing a gigabyte. But, for certain, the 
almighty "Google" will surely smite us if we use it.

Let me quote the Qt developers stance on this issue:
> Qt WebEngine should never 'call home' to Google servers. 

>From what I have seen on this mailing list so far, there is no intention of 
identifying the problems you are so afraid of, or any intention of actually 
doing anything to fix them. Upstream will *gladly* accept any and all reports, 
or fixes for that matter, but no. It's based on code that was written by 
"Google". Therefore all "Googled".

Please set realistic goals for yourselves. Neither forking and maintaining 
QtWebEngine is viable, nor is rewriting software to use QtWebKit. The one is 
simply not a drop-in replacement of the other.

Or you could, perhaps, I don't know, contact upstream mayhaps? That incredible 
idea, reporting bugs upstream, I know.
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Wed May 10 15:55:44 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 10:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Icedove-52.1 going up to [libre-testing] soon - Was:
 Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170510120921.GA28245@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
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Message-ID: <1494431744.2440.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le mer. 10 mai 2017 ? 7:09, Andreas Grapentin a ?crit :
>> 
>>  Following the discussion below, I built the latest thunderbird 
>> release
>>  (52.1.0) and rebranded it to icedove, and ported many freedom issue
>>  patches from iceweasel over.
>> 
>>  The build is running now for i686 and x86_64 and I will push the
>>  packages later, first to [libre-testing] - would anybody be 
>> inclined to
>>  test them? I'm not an icedove user myself, and might miss some 
>> subtle
>>  flaws, hence I don't want to push to [libre] immediately.
> the build is done and looks good at first glance. any volunteers for
> some initial tests?

I'm CC'ing the user who flagged it.

> any opinions on the epoch bump? I am particularily unsure about this.

I see no need for it, given that the new pkgver-pkgrel isn't a 
downgrade.
but then again, I don't get why epoch was introduced in ice{weasel,dove}
in the first place (I wasn't around back then), so I could be missing
something.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943




From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 15:59:54 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:59:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kinfocenter] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170510155954.1072.33204@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


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The user provided the following additional text:

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:00:33 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:00:33 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [khotkeys] marked out-of-date
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:02:53 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:02:53 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kio-extras] marked out-of-date
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:03:53 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:03:53 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [qtcreator] marked out-of-date
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:05:00 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:05:00 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kdepim-addons] marked out-of-date
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:08:21 2017
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:08:21 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kdelibs] marked out-of-date
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 10 16:11:07 2017
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:11:07 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [okular] marked out-of-date
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May 10 23:05:29 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 19:05:29 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <20170510084810.GA1089@athena>
References: <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <7f07ee19-2de2-af47-3abf-fdf9bd049879@openmailbox.org>
 <87d1bixj2n.fsf@openmailbox.org> <20170509133608.GA982@athena>
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Message-ID: <f53b142c-ee33-298b-4af0-f00af6946071@openmailbox.org>

On 05/10/2017 04:48 AM, Nicol?s Ortega Froysa wrote:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 08:43:00PM -0400, Luke wrote:
>> Stallman is sitting on an article which he was going to post, but said
>> "It is going to take time. (March 5, 2016)
>> The article does raise the issues, link to the infringing source code,
>> and mentions his proposed fix (GNU fork of Ungoogled-Chromium). I sent
>> him the original draft article explaining the issue and he re-wrote
>> several portions of it.
> Regardless of the article, where is the infringing source code (exact
> files that I can look up in the repo, please)? I understand the need for
> a libre fork (exactly as what we do with Mozilla Firefox, but we don't
> go around saying that's non-free, just that it promotes non-free
> addons), but with regards to Qt5 Webengine and all software that uses
> it, I would very much appreciate if this knowledge were shared instead
> of sitting in a safe until Richard decides to publish his article.
>
> I believe I mentioned this to fauno last night, but I would really
> suggest creating an etherpad where all this information can be
> concentrated so that everyone can see it and add comments on their
> validity (especially with whatever pertains to Qt5 Webengine).
>
Primary reason given is minified js, secondary reasons are SaaS, and
privacy.

Respective identified code can be found below:
https://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/pkg-chromium-maint at lists.alioth.debian.org.html#chromium-browser

https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/tree/master/resources/patches

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ImportantGoogleChromeBugs

That's the only confirmed information I have it on it, so feel free to
run with it as you all please.

Stallman recommended the removal which was acted upon quickly and
without releasing the article, which annoyed me as well.


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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 11 01:02:33 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:02:33 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
Message-ID: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>

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Hi, as you know, some hackers have left and some users others have
joined Parabola dev team. About that, I've a few things to say:

*Give the new hackers the developer credentials to log in to
https://www.parabola.nu/login/ and django administration.

*Update https://www.parabola.nu/people/* sites, add emulatorman and
coadde to fellows and heckyel & oaken-source to hackers/support staff
(depending on their roles).

*Add the new hackers to labs so that anyone can assign them (or they
can self-assign) any task related to packages, for example.

*Optionally, make their @parabola.nu forwarders for them, if they want.

- -- 
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From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Thu May 11 03:05:26 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 20:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws
In-Reply-To: <f53b142c-ee33-298b-4af0-f00af6946071@openmailbox.org>
References: <1489897945.8847.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170510084810.GA1089@athena>
 <f53b142c-ee33-298b-4af0-f00af6946071@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <2155449.sFU222qKIy@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> Respective identified code can be found below:
> https://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/pkg-chromium-maint at lists.alioth.debian
> .org.html#chromium-browser
> 
> https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/tree/master/resources/patches
> 
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ImportantGoogleChromeBugs
I ran through the three rosters of issues mentioned against the 
qtwebengine-opensource-src-5.8.0.tar.xz package.
Since posting many thousands of characters feels abit long, I've attached a 
text file of my findings to this mail.

In brief:
1) Eighteen of the Thirty-Three js files exist in QtWebEngine. The non-free 
licensed UTF parser is not in QtWebEngine.
2) Sixteen of Twenty-Nine ungoogled patches are either already applied or 
files being patched do not exist. Some patch target files vary considerably as 
to make determination of some of the remaining patches unclear.
3) The issues listed by Tor are either bugs, bad implementations, or also 
occur in FireFox/IceCat/IceWeasel. None are freedom related. The article is 
also two years old and not an up-to-date view on recent browser versions.


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https://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/pkg-chromium-maint at lists.alioth.debian.org.html#chromium-browser

license-problem result 0/2
breakpad/src/common/convert_UTF.c -> File Not Found
third_party/swiftshader/third_party/llvm-subzero/lib/Support/ConvertUTF.cpp -> File Not Found

source-is-missing result 18/33
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/audits2_worker/lighthouse/lighthouse-background.js -> File Not Found
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/cm_modes/php.js -> VALID!
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/cm_modes/stylus.js -> VALID!
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/diff/diff_match_patch.js -> VALID!
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/formatter_worker/acorn/acorn.js -> File Not Found
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/gonzales/gonzales-scss.js -> VALID!
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/network/NetworkConfigView.js -> VALID!
third_party/WebKit/Source/devtools/front_end/settings/SettingsScreen.js -> VALID!
third_party/accessibility-audit/axs_testing.js -> File Not Found
third_party/analytics/google-analytics-bundle.js -> VALID!
third_party/blanketjs/src/blanket.js -> VALID!
third_party/catapult/experimental/heatmap/power.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/experimental/heatmap/smoothness.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/experimental/trace_on_tap/third_party/pako/pako_deflate.min.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/Paste/paste/evalexception/media/MochiKit.packed.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/polymer/components/web-animations-js/web-animations-next-lite.min.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/polymer/components/web-animations-js/web-animations-next.min.js ->  File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/polymer/components/web-animations-js/web-animations.min.js ->  File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/vinn/third_party/parse5/lib/tokenization/named_entity_trie.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/third_party/vinn/third_party/parse5/parse5.js -> File Not Found
third_party/catapult/tracing/third_party/chai/chai.js -> VALID!
third_party/catapult/tracing/third_party/d3/d3.min.js -> VALID!
third_party/catapult/tracing/third_party/gl-matrix/spec/gl-matrix/mat3-spec.js -> VALID!
third_party/catapult/tracing/third_party/jszip/jszip.min.js -> VALID!
third_party/deqp/src/framework/delibs/coding_guidelines/prettify.js -> File Not Found
third_party/dom_distiller_js/dist/js/domdistiller.js -> VALID!
third_party/dom_distiller_js/dist/js/domdistiller_wrapped.js -> VALID!
third_party/libphonenumber/dist/javascript/i18n/phonenumbers/metadata.js -> File Not Found
third_party/libphonenumber/dist/javascript/i18n/phonenumbers/metadatalite.js -> File Not Found
third_party/web-animations-js/sources/web-animations-next-lite.min.js -> VALID!
third_party/web-animations-js/sources/web-animations-next.min.js -> VALID!
third_party/web-animations-js/sources/web-animations.min.js -> VALID!
ui/accessibility/extensions/highcontrast/highcontrast.js -> VALID!

web/optional -> File Not Found

usr/bin/chromedriver -> File Not Found

usr/bin/chromium-shell -> File Not Found

usr/bin/chromium-shell: freetype -> File Not Found

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https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/tree/master/resources/patches/ungoogled-chromium

Patches Not Applied or Requiring Futher Analysis: 13/29

remove-new-flags.patch -> build/config/compiler/BUILD.gn -> Invalid (Relates to removing modern compiler flags)

add-flag-to-disable-trkbar.patch -> chrome/app/chrome_main.cc             -> File Not Found
                                 -> chrome/app/generated_resources.grd    -> Invalid (Adds error messages only)
                                 -> chrome/browser/about_flags.cc         -> File Not Found
                                 -> chrome/browser/chrome_browser_main.cc -> File Not Found

add-ipv6-probing-option.patch -> net/dns/host_resolver_impl.cc -> VALID! (DNS addresses for Google exist)

change-trace-infobar-message.patch -> iridium/trkbar.cpp -> Invalid/File Not Found (Relates to Iridium)

clear-http-auth-cache-menu-item.patch -> chrome/app/chrome_command_ids.h    -> File Not Found
                                      -> chrome/app/generated_resources.grd -> Invalid (Adds error messages only)
                                      -> chrome/browser/ui/toolbar/app_menu_model.cc -> File Not Found
                                      -> chrome/browser/ui/toolbar/app_menu_model.h  -> File Not Found
                                      -> chrome/browser/ui/views/frame/global_menu_bar_x11.cc -> File Not Found
                                      -> chrome/browser/ui/browser_command_controller.cc      -> File Not Found
                                      -> tools/metrics/histograms/histograms.xml -> File Not Found
                                      -> net/http/http_auth_cache.cc -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                      -> net/http/http_auth_cache.h  -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)

disable-crash-reporter.patch -> breakpad/src/client/linux/sender/google_crash_report_sender.cc -> File Not Found
                             -> chrome/browser/tracing/crash_service_uploader.cc -> File Not Found

disable-domain-reliability.patch -> components/domain_reliability/google_configs.cc -> VALID! (Functions not removed/disabled)
                                 -> components/domain_reliability/uploader.cc -> VALID! (Function not disabled)
                                 -> components/domain_reliability/bake_in_configs.py -> VALID! (Functions not disabled)
                                 -> components/domain_reliability/BUILD.gn -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)

disable-download-quarantine.patch -> content/browser/renderer_host/pepper/pepper_file_io_host.cc -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                  -> content/browser/renderer_host/pepper/pepper_file_io_host.h  -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                  -> content/common/BUILD.gn               -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                  -> content/public/common/BUILD.gn        -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                  -> content/browser/download/base_file.cc -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)

disable-fonts-googleapis-references.patch -> components/dom_distiller/content/browser/dom_distiller_viewer_source.cc -> VALID! (webfonts references exists)
                                          -> components/dom_distiller/core/html/dom_distiller_viewer.html -> VALID! (webfonts references exists)
                                          -> components/dom_distiller/core/html/preview.html -> VALID! (webfonts references exists)
                                          -> third_party/catapult/third_party/polymer/components/font-roboto/roboto.html -> File Not Found
                                          -> third_party/catapult/tracing/third_party/gl-matrix/jsdoc-template/static/default.css -> VALID! (webfonts references exists)
                                          -> third_party/crashpad/crashpad/doc/support/crashpad_doxygen.css -> File Not Found
                                          -> third_party/flatbuffers/src/docs/header.html -> VALID! (webfonts references exists)

disable-formatting-in-omnibox.patch -> components/url_formatter/url_formatter.cc -> VALID! (omnibox allows formatting)

disable-gaia.patch -> google_apis/gaia/gaia_auth_fetcher.cc -> VALID! (Function not removed)
                   -> chrome/browser/resources/component_extension_resources.grd -> VALID! (Functions not removed)
                   -> chrome/browser/extensions/signin/gaia_auth_extension_loader.cc -> File Not Found
                   -> chrome/browser/extensions/component_extensions_whitelist/whitelist.cc -> File Not Found
                   -> chrome/browser/ui/webui/signin/inline_login_ui.cc -> File Not Found
                   -> chrome/browser/browser_resources.grd -> VALID! (Functions not removed)

disable-gcm.patch -> components/gcm_driver/gcm_client_impl.cc -> File Not Found

disable-google-host-detection.patch -> net/base/url_util.cc -> VALID! (References to google domains exist)
                                    -> chrome/browser/prerender/prerender_util.cc -> File Not Found
                                    -> components/variations/net/variations_http_headers.cc -> VALID! (Functions not removed / References to google domains exist)
                                    -> chrome/browser/page_load_metrics/observers/from_gws_page_load_metrics_observer.cc -> File Not Found
                                    -> components/search_engines/template_url.cc -> VALID! (Functions not removed)
                                    -> components/google/core/browser/google_util.cc -> VALID! (Functions not removed)

disable-intranet-redirect-detector.patch -> chrome/browser/intranet_redirect_detector.cc -> File Not Found

disable-logging-urls-to-stderr.patch -> iridium/trknotify.cpp -> Invalid/File Not Found (Relates to Iridium)
                                     -> iridium/trknotify.h -> Invalid/File Not Found (Relates to Iridium)
                                     -> chrome/app/chrome_main.cc -> File Not Found

disable-profile-avatar-downloading.patch -> chrome/browser/profiles/profile_avatar_downloader.cc -> File Not Found

disable-rlz.patch  -> rlz/features/features.gni -> File Not Found

disable-signin.patch -> components/signin/core/browser/signin_manager_base.cc -> VALID! (Function not removed)
                     -> chrome/browser/ui/chrome_pages.cc -> File Not Found

disable-translate.patch -> components/translate/core/browser/translate_manager.cc -> File Not Found
                        -> components/translate/content/renderer/translate_helper.cc -> File Not Found
                        -> components/translate/core/browser/translate_script.cc -> File Not Found

disable-untraceable-urls.patch -> chrome/browser/plugins/plugins_resource_service.cc -> File Not Found
                               -> chrome/browser/safe_browsing/client_side_model_loader.cc -> File Not Found
                               -> chrome/browser/safe_browsing/client_side_model_loader.h -> File Not Found
                               -> rlz/lib/lib_values.cc -> File Not Found
                               -> rlz/lib/lib_values.h -> File Not Found
                               -> rlz/lib/financial_ping.cc -> File Not Found

enable-page-saving-on-more-pages.patch -> content/public/common/url_utils.cc -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)
                                       -> chrome/browser/ui/browser_commands.cc -> File Not Found
                                       -> components/offline_pages/core/offline_page_model.cc -> File Not Found
                                       -> content/common/url_schemes.cc -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)

fix-building-without-one-click-signin.patch -> chrome/browser/ui/sync/one_click_signin_sync_starter.cc -> File Not Found
                                            -> chrome/browser/ui/sync/one_click_signin_links_delegate_impl.cc -> File Not Found
                                            -> chrome/browser/ui/BUILD.gn -> Invalid (File already contains what patch adds)

gn-modify-hardcoded-settings.patch -> build/config/features.gni -> VALID! (Functions not commented in)

intercept-all-modified-domains.patch -> chrome/app/chrome_main.cc -> File Not Found
                                     -> content/browser/browser_url_handler_impl.cc -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)
                                     -> url/gurl.cc -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)

popups-to-tabs.patch -> content/renderer/render_view_impl.cc -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)
                     -> chrome/browser/ui/views/frame/browser_view.cc -> File Not Found

prevent-trace-url-requests.patch -> url/gurl.cc -> MORE ANALYSIS NEEDED! (File varies considerably from patch)
                                 -> chrome/browser/ui/browser_navigator.cc -> File Not Found
                                 -> components/url_formatter/url_fixer.cc -> VALID! (Functions not added)

remove-disable-setuid-sandbox-as-bad-flag.patch -> chrome/browser/ui/startup/bad_flags_prompt.cc -> File Not Found

remove-get-help-button.patch -> chrome/browser/resources/help/help_content.html -> VALID! (Function not removed)
                             -> chrome/browser/resources/help/help_page.js -> VALID! (Function not removed)

replace-google-search-engine-with-nosearch.patch -> components/search_engines/prepopulated_engines.json -> VALID! (google search engines not removed)

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https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ImportantGoogleChromeBugs

?All certificate validation fetches (AIA, OCSP, CRL) should use Chrome's proxy settings - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
dns prefetching leaks dns queries when using a proxy - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
Flash and other plugins should be forced through the browser's proxy - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
?FTP not working behind (HTTP) Proxy - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
WebRTC PeerConnection can use UDP and non-proxied TCP Sockets - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
SPDY v3 can use UDP as a transport (via QUIC) - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)

Can we block drag and drop events? - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
Do WebSockets behave correctly? - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
Do the NTLM and SPNEGO HTTP authentication methods bypass the proxy? - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)

Maintain separate TLS session caches per-profile - Invalid (Post states this is fixed)
SPDY state and connection reuse, HTTP keepalive connection reuse, and HSTS state? - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
The CryptoAPI dependency on Windows probably means most or all TLS state is shared - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)

"Incognito-enabled" manifest.json extension permission - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
The Third Party Cookie pref should also "double-key" or disable DOM storage, cache, HTTP Auth and HSTS for third parties - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
window.name should not persist across domains - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
SSL Session ids and TLS session tickets should be disabled for third parties - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
SPDY can store session IDs and other state, and has insane keep-alive properties - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)

HTML5 Canvas should be permission-based for reading image data - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
The GamePad API allows ?USB device IDs for any controller-like devices to be enumerated by JS - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
CSS Media Queries allow screen info and even user-selected system theme colors and other user-configured UI information to be extracted by CSS (even without JS) - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
WebGL should not expose OpenGL/DirectX extension and device capabilities - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
NTLM and SPNEGO Auth should not send machine hostname or username in Incognito Mode - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
The desktop and taskbar resolution should not be available to CSS or JS -- provide content window size only - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
Addons should be able to install a font pack for exclusive use in Incognito Mode - Invalid (bad implementations are not freedom issues)
Disable high-resolution DOM and network performance timers in Incognito Mode - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)
Reduce Javascript Date and event timestamp precision in Incognito mode - Invalid (Firefox forks have the same problem)

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May 11 06:34:26 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 08:34:26 +0200
Subject: [Dev] early access EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?
In-Reply-To: <20170504134015.GA12968@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170427045240.GA1882@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170504134015.GA12968@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170511063426.GA4252@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


(I sent this message before, but I suspect it didn't get delivered
because I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list, so here I go again.)


Hello everyone,

I represent the hackers in charge of maintaining the parabola ARM port.

As you know, the 'libre tea' computer card will be shipped with parabola
preinstalled, and we are currently working hard on getting our ARM port in
shape. Unfortunately, at the moment we have two problems:

 a) lack of compute resources - we need some actual ARM boards of the
    right architecture to build - and especially test - packages

 b) lack of information - we don't know enough about the particularities
    of the EOMA68 cards to be able to tell how well our port works on them


Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a
couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that
our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?

We are very excited about this project (many of us have actually
pre-ordered cards), and we want to be able to deliver the best possible
version of our GNU/Linux distribution that we can produce.

Best,
Andreas


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From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May 11 09:05:09 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:05:09 +0200
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm support
In-Reply-To: <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


The emoa68 guys have replied, asking how many cards we need.
is one card per hacker enough, or do we want some spares?

maybe 5 cards in total?

-A

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 06:09:51PM +0200, raphael.melotte at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> On April 25, 2017 6:25:06 PM GMT+02:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >If getting EOMA cards ahead of time is an option, I would approve of
> >that. It would give us some headway in getting the port in shape.
> 
> If you ask I'm sure you or anyone interested could obtain a prototype before the final versions are shipped to the crowdfunding backers, if you dedicate it to improving the ARM port on Parabola.
> This was talked about on the arm-netbook mailing list, I can cc it if you want.
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu May 11 09:28:38 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:28:38 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [mesa] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170511092838.1071.47697@proton.parabola.nu>

jm.100best at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* mesa 17.0.4-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/mesa/
* mesa 17.0.4-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/mesa/


The user provided the following additional text:

Mesa 17.1.0 is released.  https://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes/17.1.0.html



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu May 11 12:19:37 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:19:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> The emoa68 guys have replied, asking how many cards we need.
> is one card per hacker enough, or do we want some spares?
>
> maybe 5 cards in total?

that's awesome!  but we need to decide who gets them and under which
conditions so everything's clear for the future.

for me, it needs to be clear that the eoma68 cards are donated to
parabola, not individual hackers, and parabola's community lends them to
individual hackers so they can work on the arm port.  if they can't do
that anymore, we'll make arrangements for other hackers to have them and
continue the port.

this was more or less the same policy/agreement we had when we received
the yeeloongs.

who will be working on the arm port and wants to get an eoma68 card?
who's closer to the eoma68's and can get them and re-mail them?  (so the
eoma68 people doesn't have to mail X cards, unless they offer to?)

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 11 13:04:17 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 10:04:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
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 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
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 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>

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With "working on the ARM port" you mean to just make Parabola work in
the EOMA68? I'm asking because I've some experience on ARM, also I've
a Banana Pi, so whenever I want I can do a clean ARMv7 installation
with pacstrap to an SD card, in fact I was thinking on creating .img
images and upload them to the mirror, maybe we could do the same if
someone gets Parabola running on this device.

But it is also important to mention that I'm not a programmer or an
ultra-advanced guy like those ones who port software and OSes to other
hardware platforms like if they were counting their fingers :P

To know who would be the best people to work on this, we have to first
know on what we are going to work specifically (e.g. creation of
kernel patches, uboot images, etc. or maybe simpler stuff) and then
choose the most skilled ones who really want to do this.

Regards,
Megver83

El 11/05/17 a las 09:19, fauno escribi?:
> Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:
> 
>> The emoa68 guys have replied, asking how many cards we need. is
>> one card per hacker enough, or do we want some spares?
>> 
>> maybe 5 cards in total?
> 
> that's awesome!  but we need to decide who gets them and under
> which conditions so everything's clear for the future.
> 
> for me, it needs to be clear that the eoma68 cards are donated to 
> parabola, not individual hackers, and parabola's community lends
> them to individual hackers so they can work on the arm port.  if
> they can't do that anymore, we'll make arrangements for other
> hackers to have them and continue the port.
> 
> this was more or less the same policy/agreement we had when we
> received the yeeloongs.
> 
> who will be working on the arm port and wants to get an eoma68
> card? who's closer to the eoma68's and can get them and re-mail
> them?  (so the eoma68 people doesn't have to mail X cards, unless
> they offer to?)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu May 11 14:33:36 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:33:36 -0300
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <877f1nmpj3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:

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> With "working on the ARM port" you mean to just make Parabola work in
> the EOMA68? I'm asking because I've some experience on ARM, also I've
> a Banana Pi, so whenever I want I can do a clean ARMv7 installation
> with pacstrap to an SD card, in fact I was thinking on creating .img
> images and upload them to the mirror, maybe we could do the same if
> someone gets Parabola running on this device.
>
> But it is also important to mention that I'm not a programmer or an
> ultra-advanced guy like those ones who port software and OSes to other
> hardware platforms like if they were counting their fingers :P
>
> To know who would be the best people to work on this, we have to first
> know on what we are going to work specifically (e.g. creation of
> kernel patches, uboot images, etc. or maybe simpler stuff) and then
> choose the most skilled ones who really want to do this.

when i was working on mips64el most of the work was building packages
and making scripts to save myself the time i was spending on it :P

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May 11 16:49:58 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:49:58 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [allanitomwesh@gmail.com: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access
 EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?]
Message-ID: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


fyi - it seems we are the first ones to the table.

@all:
do we have a pad on the arm port, and if not could we create one? I
think this would be useful for finding out how many cards we will need,
who will do what for the port, who organizes the shipping et cetera.

I would also suggest that those interested in maintaining the arm port
join the arm-netbook mailing list so that they are in the loop with all
relevant information without me forwarding everything.

Best,
Andreas


----- Forwarded message from Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:04:11 +0300
From: Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com>
To: Eco-Concscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org>, arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access EOMA68 to hardware for parabola	ARM	maintainers?
User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android

Put in as many people as would be useful to your project. No other distro has come here with interest like you guys so I'd take advantage of that before it changes. 
Didn't you have guys working on a handheld eoma console? Get them in on it as well. 

On 11 May 2017 18:34:01 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
>
>> > Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his
>site. 
>> 
>> Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of
>> the arm-netbook mailing list:
>
>Thank you very much!
>
>> *Begin of shortened quote*
>> "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000
>> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net>
>> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
>> 
>> i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to
>> get 50 boards made up.  i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some
>> micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and
>the
>> OTG-Host cables, have to see.
>> 
>> any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of
>numbers
>> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
>
>This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
>
>Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined
>number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
>
>We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more.
>Would
>asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
>
>Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
>
>Is there an ETA?
>
>Best,
>-Andreas
>
>-- 
>
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>my GPG Public Key:                
>https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
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From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Thu May 11 19:37:13 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jes=c3=bas_Eduardo?=)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:37:13 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
In-Reply-To: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
References: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87af442f-a502-9427-3b44-f71f45be5bea@openmailbox.org>

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Hi friends, it would be great if I'm added to the web site of
https://www.parabola.nu/people/*

> *Optionally, make their @parabola.nu forwarders for them, if they
> want.

Yes, this option would be more reliable for the end user.

Greetings.

- -- 
Jes?s Eduardo | Developer
Web-Site: https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
SIP: heckye[at]sip.linphone[dot]org
XMPP: heckyel[at]diasp.org
GNUSocial: @heckyel
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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Thu May 11 20:10:56 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 21:10:56 +0100
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <877f1nmpj3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>
 <877f1nmpj3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20170511201056.GB597@avalon-parabola.home>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:33:36AM -0300, fauno wrote:
> when i was working on mips64el most of the work was building packages
> and making scripts to save myself the time i was spending on it :P
>

Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the packages in ARM port come
straight from Arch ARM?

Maybe we just need 1 to see if Parabola works OK on it.

I just bought a Bananapi to help build for the ARM port. I can't
guaruntee how productive I'll be though.

--
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate.

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Thu May 11 20:13:10 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
In-Reply-To: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
References: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2017 21:02:33 -0400,
Megver83 wrote:
> *Give the new hackers the developer credentials to log in to
> https://www.parabola.nu/login/ and django administration.

We should have the django accounts/web profiles syncing with
hackers.git this weekend.

> *Update https://www.parabola.nu/people/* sites, add emulatorman and
> coadde to fellows and heckyel & oaken-source to hackers/support staff
> (depending on their roles).

See above.

> *Add the new hackers to labs so that anyone can assign them (or they
> can self-assign) any task related to packages, for example.

TODO

> *Optionally, make their @parabola.nu forwarders for them, if they want.

The @parabola.nu forwarders are configured in hackers.git, same as git
and repo accounts.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 11 20:20:09 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:20:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <20170511201056.GB597@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <CAD3PP06TX0ZA3rXbx05gBXEWe8Vk=TsaLpmFGX0kQstAn84EpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1493094974.16848.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>
 <877f1nmpj3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170511201056.GB597@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <d6e8cca5-81c0-269a-b92b-118b4a71e5a8@openmailbox.org>

El 11/05/17 a las 17:10, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:33:36AM -0300, fauno wrote:
>> when i was working on mips64el most of the work was building packages
>> and making scripts to save myself the time i was spending on it :P
>>
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the packages in ARM port come
> straight from Arch ARM?
> 

Yes, like in x86 too. The [libre] and [pcr] (also its multilib and
testing versions) is maintained by us and they are also for ARM

> Maybe we just need 1 to see if Parabola works OK on it.
> 

The more the better :P

> I just bought a Bananapi to help build for the ARM port. I can't
> guaruntee how productive I'll be though.
> 

It will surely be useful, as it's better to compile packages for its
architecture in a machine that runs that architecture. In other words,
it's better to build ARM packages in real ARM machines.

> --
> Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate.
> 
> I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
> I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
> I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
> And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
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> 

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 11 20:29:52 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:29:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
In-Reply-To: <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
 <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <55f61eec-dc23-d45a-b87c-2de92e91e17f@openmailbox.org>

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El 11/05/17 a las 17:13, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> On Wed, 10 May 2017 21:02:33 -0400, Megver83 wrote:
>> *Give the new hackers the developer credentials to log in to 
>> https://www.parabola.nu/login/ and django administration.
> 
> We should have the django accounts/web profiles syncing with 
> hackers.git this weekend.
> 
>> *Update https://www.parabola.nu/people/* sites, add emulatorman
>> and coadde to fellows and heckyel & oaken-source to
>> hackers/support staff (depending on their roles).
> 
> See above.
> 
>> *Add the new hackers to labs so that anyone can assign them (or
>> they can self-assign) any task related to packages, for example.
> 
> TODO
> 
>> *Optionally, make their @parabola.nu forwarders for them, if they
>> want.
> 
> The @parabola.nu forwarders are configured in hackers.git, same as
> git and repo accounts.
> 

Great! didn't know that. So it forwards to all emails listed there?
For example, in my profile I putted 2 emails, so it forwards to both
of them?

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Thu May 11 22:46:10 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
In-Reply-To: <55f61eec-dc23-d45a-b87c-2de92e91e17f@openmailbox.org>
References: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
 <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <55f61eec-dc23-d45a-b87c-2de92e91e17f@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87mvaj811p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Thu, 11 May 2017 16:29:52 -0400,
Megver83 wrote:
> >> *Optionally, make their @parabola.nu forwarders for them, if they
> >> want.
> > 
> > The @parabola.nu forwarders are configured in hackers.git, same as
> > git and repo accounts.
> > 
> 
> Great! didn't know that. So it forwards to all emails listed there?
> For example, in my profile I putted 2 emails, so it forwards to both
> of them?

It forwards to the first non- at parabola.nu address.

https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabola-hackers.git/tree/bin/postfix-generate-virtual-map

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From porocyon at openmailbox.org  Wed May 10 16:25:00 2017
From: porocyon at openmailbox.org (PoroCYon)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:25:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Icedove-52.1 going up to [libre-testing] soon - Was:
 Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <1494431744.2440.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <55ffa7e1-9ab7-e713-99d9-79d17303c0f1@openmailbox.org>
 <20170510072314.GA5323@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170510120921.GA28245@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494431744.2440.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <d54bf43f-d146-c464-6631-4fef9a0ca169@openmailbox.org>

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> I'm CC'ing the user who flagged it.
> 

It seems to work fine for me. Thanks!

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From allanitomwesh at gmail.com  Thu May 11 08:41:34 2017
From: allanitomwesh at gmail.com (Allan Mwenda)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:41:34 +0300
Subject: [Dev] [Arm-netbook] early access EOMA68 to hardware for
 parabola ARM	maintainers?
In-Reply-To: <20170511063426.GA4252@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170427045240.GA1882@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170504134015.GA12968@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170511063426.GA4252@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <17F239BA-457E-4CCB-839E-70DA5B919D19@gmail.com>

Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his site. How many cards do you need? 

On 11 May 2017 09:34:26 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
>
>(I sent this message before, but I suspect it didn't get delivered
>because I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list, so here I go again.)
>
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I represent the hackers in charge of maintaining the parabola ARM port.
>
>As you know, the 'libre tea' computer card will be shipped with
>parabola
>preinstalled, and we are currently working hard on getting our ARM port
>in
>shape. Unfortunately, at the moment we have two problems:
>
> a) lack of compute resources - we need some actual ARM boards of the
>    right architecture to build - and especially test - packages
>
>b) lack of information - we don't know enough about the particularities
> of the EOMA68 cards to be able to tell how well our port works on them
>
>
>Hence my question: would be possible for us to get early access to a
>couple of the EOMA68 devices in advance, so that we can make sure that
>our ARM port is up and running when the cards are to be shipped?
>
>We are very excited about this project (many of us have actually
>pre-ordered cards), and we want to be able to deliver the best possible
>version of our GNU/Linux distribution that we can produce.
>
>Best,
>Andreas
>
>
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From lxoliva at fsfla.org  Thu May 11 22:49:20 2017
From: lxoliva at fsfla.org (Alexandre Oliva)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:49:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <87tw4tn0vs.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (fauno@endefensadelsl.org's
 message of "Tue, 09 May 2017 19:03:51 -0300")
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
 <87wp9pn11h.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87tw4tn0vs.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <orpoffxb4f.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>

On May  9, 2017, fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:

> fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
>> Joseph Graham <joseph at xylon.me.uk> writes:
>> 
>>> carl9170 firmware is Free Software but Parabola has removed it from
>>> linux-libre-firmware
>>> 
>>> This means my wireless card cannot work (even though it works fine in
>>> Trisquel). I had to get firmware from archlinux package to fix.
>>> 
>>> here is the licence:
>>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/carl9170fw
>> 
>> if it's included in linux-firmware you should report this to
>> linux-libre-firmware which is where we're getting our sources :)

I'm afraid I don't know what this "linux-libre-firmware" you refer to
is.

The closest thing I'm related with, besides Linux-libre proper, is the
Freed-ora package named kernel-libre-firmware, that contains the few
pieces of Free firmware still distributed as part of Linux (and thus
Linux-libre) tarballs, but I don't think that's what you mean.

I suppose linux-libre-firmware is a parabola-specific package, but it
could reasonably amount to just the Free firmware distributed as part of
Linux-libre, rather than the Libre parts of the linux-firmware package.
I'd name the latter linux-firmware-libre, FWIW.  Confusion might arise
from an incorrect assumption about what linux-libre-firmware amounts to.

carl9170 is indeed Free Software, to the best of my knowledge;
unfortunately, the linux-firmware git tree doesn't separate Free and
non-Free firmware.  I don't know of anyone who maintains a Free version
of that repository, or of its releases (if there are any).  There's
certainly an opportunity there for someone willing to make a
contribution to the community: maintaining a Libre version of
linux-firmware, that all Free distros could then adopt.

-- 
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter    http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi
Be Free! -- http://FSFLA.org/   FSF Latin America board member
Free Software Evangelist|Red Hat Brasil GNU Toolchain Engineer


From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu May 11 23:36:35 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:36:35 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170511233635.1073.50470@proton.parabola.nu>

eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel 1:53.0.deb1-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel/


The user provided the following additional text:

Please update to the 53.0.2 version of Iceweasel in the release branch.



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri May 12 04:03:30 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 01:03:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Missing free firmware
In-Reply-To: <orpoffxb4f.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
References: <20170509213418.GA4096@avalon-parabola.home>
 <87wp9pn11h.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87tw4tn0vs.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <orpoffxb4f.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
Message-ID: <87bmqyn2lp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Alexandre Oliva <lxoliva at fsfla.org> writes:
> I'm afraid I don't know what this "linux-libre-firmware" you refer to
> is.
>
> The closest thing I'm related with, besides Linux-libre proper, is the
> Freed-ora package named kernel-libre-firmware, that contains the few
> pieces of Free firmware still distributed as part of Linux (and thus
> Linux-libre) tarballs, but I don't think that's what you mean.
>
> I suppose linux-libre-firmware is a parabola-specific package, but it
> could reasonably amount to just the Free firmware distributed as part of
> Linux-libre, rather than the Libre parts of the linux-firmware package.
> I'd name the latter linux-firmware-libre, FWIW.  Confusion might arise
> from an incorrect assumption about what linux-libre-firmware amounts to.
>
> carl9170 is indeed Free Software, to the best of my knowledge;
> unfortunately, the linux-firmware git tree doesn't separate Free and
> non-Free firmware.  I don't know of anyone who maintains a Free version
> of that repository, or of its releases (if there are any).  There's
> certainly an opportunity there for someone willing to make a
> contribution to the community: maintaining a Libre version of
> linux-firmware, that all Free distros could then adopt.

ah, i misread our pkgbuild[0] that downloads a linux-libre tarball from
fsfla signed by you, but i was in a hurry so i assumed it was a tarball
of deblobed linux-firmware, instead of just the firmware still included
in linux-libre :)


[0]: https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/linux-libre-firmware/PKGBUILD

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Fri May 12 06:29:39 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 07:29:39 +0100
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <d6e8cca5-81c0-269a-b92b-118b4a71e5a8@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f28k47g.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <05401921-48D4-41C0-A1F2-F427330700F4@gmail.com>
 <20170511090509.GA28938@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87d1bfmvqe.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <053e5c81-5fa2-ec7f-de0c-d87b49aefcce@openmailbox.org>
 <877f1nmpj3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170511201056.GB597@avalon-parabola.home>
 <d6e8cca5-81c0-269a-b92b-118b4a71e5a8@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170512062939.GA596@avalon-parabola.home>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 05:20:09PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
> El 11/05/17 a las 17:10, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> > Maybe we just need 1 to see if Parabola works OK on it.
> > 
> 
> The more the better :P
>

Well 5 seems a bit greedy maybe we should ask for 3. I think fauno's
idea is too complicated, we should just take them as gifts for individual
hackers.

How about we make a list of people who want one and do a raffle to see
who gets them? Or a beauty contest based on the pictures on Hackers
page?

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 12 10:56:08 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:56:08 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Icedove-52.1 going up to [libre-testing] soon - Was:
 Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <d54bf43f-d146-c464-6631-4fef9a0ca169@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170508022035.1073.47322@proton.parabola.nu>
 <20170508084749.GA2410@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494268664.3469.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <20170508211335.GB15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <55ffa7e1-9ab7-e713-99d9-79d17303c0f1@openmailbox.org>
 <20170510072314.GA5323@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170510120921.GA28245@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <1494431744.2440.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <d54bf43f-d146-c464-6631-4fef9a0ca169@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170512105608.GA25793@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


icedove-52.1 has arrived [libre-testing] now.
I'll give it a week, and if nobody finds any issues, I'll push to [libre].

-A

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 04:25:00PM +0000, PoroCYon wrote:
> > I'm CC'ing the user who flagged it.
> > 
> 
> It seems to work fine for me. Thanks!
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 12 11:19:41 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:19:41 +0200
Subject: [Dev] handling the OpenSSL 1.0->1.1 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20170503054648.GA30868@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <87bmrko8nt.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <878tmoo78x.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170503054648.GA30868@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170512111941.GA4770@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


the same issue has now hit the armv7h port.

pacman and a couple other things will need to be rebuilt for
openssl-1.1, as well as icu-59.1

-A

On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 07:46:48AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> I have enumerated all packages depending on openssl:
> 
>   libre/hexchat ::  openssl
>   libre/pacman ::  openssl>=1.1 openssl-1.0
>   libre/pyrit ::  openssl
>   libre/ruby ::  openssl openssl
>   libre/uboot-tools ::  openssl
>   libre/unar ::  openssl
>   libre/xchat ::  openssl
>   nonprism/sylpheed ::  openssl
>   pcr/assh ::  openssl
>   pcr/check-pacman-mtree ::  openssl
>   pcr/cherokee ::  openssl
>   pcr/dirt ::  openssl
>   pcr/galera ::  openssl
>   pcr/glance ::  python2-pyopenssl
>   pcr/grub-customizer ::  openssl
>   pcr/htmldoc ::  openssl
>   pcr/icinga ::  openssl
>   pcr/inspircd ::  openssl openssl
>   pcr/ipmiutil ::  openssl
>   pcr/italc ::  openssl
>   pcr/knot ::  openssl>=1.0.0
>   pcr/libtorrent-extended ::  openssl
>   pcr/mariadb-galera ::  openssl openssl
>   pcr/mit-scheme ::  openssl
>   pcr/monkeysphere ::  perl-crypt-openssl-rsa
>   pcr/neomutt ::  openssl
>   pcr/nginx-passenger ::  openssl
>   pcr/ocaml-ssl ::  openssl
>   pcr/openssh-knock ::  openssl
>   pcr/perspectives-server ::  openssl
>   pcr/rmilter ::  openssl
>   pcr/rstudio-desktop ::  openssl
>   pcr/samhain ::  openssl
>   pcr/snapraid ::  openssl
>   pcr/snort ::  openssl
>   pcr/softhsm ::  openssl>=1.0.0
>   pcr/strongswan ::  openssl openssl
>   pcr/tahoe-lafs ::  openssl>=1.0.2 python2-pyopenssl>=0.14
>   pcr/tcpcrypt ::  openssl openssl
>   pcr/tinc-pre ::  openssl
>   pcr/trousers ::  openssl
>   pcr/ucommon ::  openssl
>   pcr/uftp ::  openssl
> 
> generated using this script:
> 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > 
> > set -eu
> > 
> > pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD' -printf "%P\n" | sort)
> > 
> > for pkg in ${pkgbuilds}; do
> > 
> >   pushd $(dirname ${pkg}) >/dev/null
> > 
> >   errf=$(mktemp)
> >   deps=$(makepkg -A --printsrcinfo 2>${errf}| grep 'depends =' \
> >     | cut -d '=' -f2- | cut -d ':' -f1 | sed 's/^[[:space:]]*//')
> >   err=$(< ${errf})
> >   rm ${errf}
> > 
> >   popd >/dev/null
> > 
> >   if [ -n "${err}" ]; then
> >     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ERROR" >&2
> >     echo "${err}" | sed 's/^/    | /' >&2
> >   fi
> > 
> >   match=""
> >   for dep in ${deps}; do
> >     if [[ "${dep}" =~ "${1}" ]]; then
> >       match="${match} ${dep}"
> >     fi
> >   done
> > 
> >   if [ -n "${match}" ]; then
> >     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ${match}"
> >   fi
> > done
> 
> this also revealed that a lot of our pkgbuilds have issues like the
> following:
> 
>   libre/jquery-ui :: ERROR
>     | ==> ERROR: arch should be an array
>     | ==> ERROR: license should be an array
>     | ==> ERROR: depends should be an array
>     | ==> ERROR: sha512sums should be an array
>     | ==> ERROR: source should be an array
>     | ==> ERROR: An unknown error has occurred. Exiting...
> 
> i started looking into these, and most of them seem trivial. a complete
> list is on the pad.
> 
> I'll probably fix them over the next couple days.
> 
> -A
> 
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:07:58AM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:37:26 -0400,
> > Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > > db-check-package-libraries was designed for the purpose of identifying
> > > these packages, but it appears to not be working.
> > 
> > It seems to have to do with crashing when it sees a dangling symlink.
> > I've monkey-patched it on the server to turn abolute links into
> > relative links.
> > 
> > However, it still crashes when it encounters a symlink that points to
> > a file in another package.
> > 
> > And I needed to walk out the door 8 minutes ago, so someone else will
> > need to figure this out.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Happy hacking,
> > ~ Luke Shumaker
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
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> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 12 12:09:12 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:09:12 +0200
Subject: [Dev] handling the OpenSSL 1.0->1.1 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20170512111941.GA4770@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <87bmrko8nt.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <878tmoo78x.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170503054648.GA30868@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170512111941.GA4770@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170512120912.GA32471@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I rebuilt pacman, the rest is probably less urgent.

-A

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> the same issue has now hit the armv7h port.
> 
> pacman and a couple other things will need to be rebuilt for
> openssl-1.1, as well as icu-59.1
> 
> -A
> 
> On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 07:46:48AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > 
> > I have enumerated all packages depending on openssl:
> > 
> >   libre/hexchat ::  openssl
> >   libre/pacman ::  openssl>=1.1 openssl-1.0
> >   libre/pyrit ::  openssl
> >   libre/ruby ::  openssl openssl
> >   libre/uboot-tools ::  openssl
> >   libre/unar ::  openssl
> >   libre/xchat ::  openssl
> >   nonprism/sylpheed ::  openssl
> >   pcr/assh ::  openssl
> >   pcr/check-pacman-mtree ::  openssl
> >   pcr/cherokee ::  openssl
> >   pcr/dirt ::  openssl
> >   pcr/galera ::  openssl
> >   pcr/glance ::  python2-pyopenssl
> >   pcr/grub-customizer ::  openssl
> >   pcr/htmldoc ::  openssl
> >   pcr/icinga ::  openssl
> >   pcr/inspircd ::  openssl openssl
> >   pcr/ipmiutil ::  openssl
> >   pcr/italc ::  openssl
> >   pcr/knot ::  openssl>=1.0.0
> >   pcr/libtorrent-extended ::  openssl
> >   pcr/mariadb-galera ::  openssl openssl
> >   pcr/mit-scheme ::  openssl
> >   pcr/monkeysphere ::  perl-crypt-openssl-rsa
> >   pcr/neomutt ::  openssl
> >   pcr/nginx-passenger ::  openssl
> >   pcr/ocaml-ssl ::  openssl
> >   pcr/openssh-knock ::  openssl
> >   pcr/perspectives-server ::  openssl
> >   pcr/rmilter ::  openssl
> >   pcr/rstudio-desktop ::  openssl
> >   pcr/samhain ::  openssl
> >   pcr/snapraid ::  openssl
> >   pcr/snort ::  openssl
> >   pcr/softhsm ::  openssl>=1.0.0
> >   pcr/strongswan ::  openssl openssl
> >   pcr/tahoe-lafs ::  openssl>=1.0.2 python2-pyopenssl>=0.14
> >   pcr/tcpcrypt ::  openssl openssl
> >   pcr/tinc-pre ::  openssl
> >   pcr/trousers ::  openssl
> >   pcr/ucommon ::  openssl
> >   pcr/uftp ::  openssl
> > 
> > generated using this script:
> > 
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > > 
> > > set -eu
> > > 
> > > pkgbuilds=$(find -iname 'PKGBUILD' -printf "%P\n" | sort)
> > > 
> > > for pkg in ${pkgbuilds}; do
> > > 
> > >   pushd $(dirname ${pkg}) >/dev/null
> > > 
> > >   errf=$(mktemp)
> > >   deps=$(makepkg -A --printsrcinfo 2>${errf}| grep 'depends =' \
> > >     | cut -d '=' -f2- | cut -d ':' -f1 | sed 's/^[[:space:]]*//')
> > >   err=$(< ${errf})
> > >   rm ${errf}
> > > 
> > >   popd >/dev/null
> > > 
> > >   if [ -n "${err}" ]; then
> > >     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ERROR" >&2
> > >     echo "${err}" | sed 's/^/    | /' >&2
> > >   fi
> > > 
> > >   match=""
> > >   for dep in ${deps}; do
> > >     if [[ "${dep}" =~ "${1}" ]]; then
> > >       match="${match} ${dep}"
> > >     fi
> > >   done
> > > 
> > >   if [ -n "${match}" ]; then
> > >     echo "  $(dirname ${pkg}) :: ${match}"
> > >   fi
> > > done
> > 
> > this also revealed that a lot of our pkgbuilds have issues like the
> > following:
> > 
> >   libre/jquery-ui :: ERROR
> >     | ==> ERROR: arch should be an array
> >     | ==> ERROR: license should be an array
> >     | ==> ERROR: depends should be an array
> >     | ==> ERROR: sha512sums should be an array
> >     | ==> ERROR: source should be an array
> >     | ==> ERROR: An unknown error has occurred. Exiting...
> > 
> > i started looking into these, and most of them seem trivial. a complete
> > list is on the pad.
> > 
> > I'll probably fix them over the next couple days.
> > 
> > -A
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:07:58AM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:37:26 -0400,
> > > Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > > > db-check-package-libraries was designed for the purpose of identifying
> > > > these packages, but it appears to not be working.
> > > 
> > > It seems to have to do with crashing when it sees a dangling symlink.
> > > I've monkey-patched it on the server to turn abolute links into
> > > relative links.
> > > 
> > > However, it still crashes when it encounters a symlink that points to
> > > a file in another package.
> > > 
> > > And I needed to walk out the door 8 minutes ago, so someone else will
> > > need to figure this out.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Happy hacking,
> > > ~ Luke Shumaker
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dev mailing list
> > > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Fri May 12 15:51:11 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 11:51:11 -0400
Subject: [Dev] hackers.git now rejects invalid YAML
Message-ID: <87fuga845s.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

Hi,

When making a change in hackers.git, someone's editor did bad
word-wrapping on a long line, and broke the file.  Then, that broke
SSH on both servers.

So, I've set up a git update hook to have it reject pushs to master
that would break things.

https://git.parabola.nu/git-meta.git/tree/hackers.git/hooks/update

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri May 12 15:58:25 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:58:25 -0300
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <20170512062939.GA596@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170425045916.GA22896@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
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 <20170425162506.GA12087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
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Joseph Graham <joseph at xylon.me.uk> writes:

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 05:20:09PM -0300, Megver83 wrote:
>> El 11/05/17 a las 17:10, Joseph Graham escribi?:
>> > Maybe we just need 1 to see if Parabola works OK on it.
>> > 
>> 
>> The more the better :P
>>
>
> Well 5 seems a bit greedy maybe we should ask for 3. I think fauno's
> idea is too complicated, we should just take them as gifts for individual
> hackers.
>
> How about we make a list of people who want one and do a raffle to see
> who gets them? Or a beauty contest based on the pictures on Hackers
> page?

it could be more complicated...  i think it's fair, parabola is the
project+community and the individual hackers can come and go.  if they
go, everyone else loses.  this way we can secure the continuity of the
arm port.

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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Fri May 12 16:16:37 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:16:37 +0200
Subject: [Dev] outdated 'nonprism' gnome-settings-daemon
Message-ID: <20170512161637.GA2273@riseup.net>

Hi Devs,

Since the update of gnome to v3.24.2, I can't any longer log into
gnome, nor can I use gdm.

Since I use the 'nonprism' repository, I guess the culprit may be
the 'nonprism' gnome-settings-daemon version which is still at
v3.22.1.

Can anybody look into this issue?

Many thanks in anticipation!

Robert
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From usuario at cock.li  Fri May 12 16:41:07 2017
From: usuario at cock.li (usuario at cock.li)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:41:07 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Request for repositories
Message-ID: <8e4bfc47fed990448eccba43c11d5052@cock.li>

Friends
Gnu Parabola Community

I send a cordial greeting to all, thank them and congratulate them for 
the great work they do, so that people like me who are apprentices can 
use this 100% free operating system.
The reason for this email is to consider the incorporation of the 
program 'PseInt' 
'http://pseint.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=descargas.php' to the 
repositories of gnu parabola.
Without further ado I say goodbye cordially.

Sincerely
Binario


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Fri May 12 19:16:51 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:16:51 -0400
Subject: [Dev]  parabola-hackers 20170421.1 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87lgqt422i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87lgqt422i.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <87efvt997g.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

I've just published an update to Parabola's tools for using
hackers.git for account management, parabola-hackers.

When I created the v20170421 source tarball, I had mistakenly created
it from the v20170204 sources.  That is, v20170421 was just v20170204
released again.  I have now published v20170421.1, which is what I had
*meant* to publish as v20170421.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 22:18:45 -0400,
Luke Shumaker wrote:
> This is a minor update to shut up warnings from modern versions of
> Ruby.
> 
> Changes from 20170204 to 20170421:
>  - Update meta-normalize-stdio (used by meta-check) to not uses the
>    now-deprecated 'Fixnum' type.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Fri May 12 22:47:42 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:47:42 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Request for repositories
In-Reply-To: <8e4bfc47fed990448eccba43c11d5052@cock.li>
References: <8e4bfc47fed990448eccba43c11d5052@cock.li>
Message-ID: <fc164822-9a1c-d118-bff8-87d6e0a1ec07@openmailbox.org>

Hi!
I just uploaded it to [pcr] for both 64 and 32 bits.
Commit:
https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=b497b008c4b48c57eb79e394419fa6961b3214c8

El 12/05/17 a las 13:41, usuario at cock.li escribi?:
> Friends Gnu Parabola Community
> 
> I send a cordial greeting to all, thank them and congratulate them
> for the great work they do, so that people like me who are
> apprentices can use this 100% free operating system. The reason for
> this email is to consider the incorporation of the program
> 'PseInt' 
> 'http://pseint.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=descargas.php' to
> the repositories of gnu parabola. Without further ado I say goodbye
> cordially.
> 
> Sincerely Binario _______________________________________________ 
> Dev mailing list Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From ovruni at gnu.org.pe  Fri May 12 23:45:34 2017
From: ovruni at gnu.org.pe (Omar Vega Ramos)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:45:34 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Request for repositories
In-Reply-To: <fc164822-9a1c-d118-bff8-87d6e0a1ec07@openmailbox.org>
References: <8e4bfc47fed990448eccba43c11d5052@cock.li>
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Message-ID: <b05f9a91-6d80-e7d6-339a-059211c1280d@gnu.org.pe>

Hello

> I just uploaded it to [pcr] for both 64 and 32 bits.
> Commit:
> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=b497b008c4b48c57eb79e394419fa6961b3214c8

I deleted the pseint package, because it was not built from the source code.

-- 
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GPG ID: 6D5DBA58


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Fri May 12 23:48:21 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:48:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Request for repositories
In-Reply-To: <b05f9a91-6d80-e7d6-339a-059211c1280d@gnu.org.pe>
References: <8e4bfc47fed990448eccba43c11d5052@cock.li>
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 <b05f9a91-6d80-e7d6-339a-059211c1280d@gnu.org.pe>
Message-ID: <452e3c0f-a767-d8ce-d9f1-ea4587e215aa@openmailbox.org>

OK, I'll deal with that tomorrow maybe.

El 12/05/17 a las 20:45, Omar Vega Ramos escribi?:
> Hello
> 
>> I just uploaded it to [pcr] for both 64 and 32 bits. Commit: 
>> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=b497b008c4b48c57eb79e394419fa6961b3214c8
>
>> 
> I deleted the pseint package, because it was not built from the
> source code.
> 

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Sat May 13 00:26:09 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20170512 release announcement
Message-ID: <87lgq1pppa.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

I just released libretools 20170512 to [libre], and pushed the source
tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.

This is a minor bugfix release.

Changes from 20170505 to 20170512:

 - libremakepkg:
   * Bugfix: If you have makepkg.conf:SRCPKGDEST configured, then it
     places the the source package in $SRCPKGDEST, and places a
     symlink to it in the current directory.  However, in 20170505,
     the symlink pointed to an incorrect location resulting in a
     broken link.  This did not affect librestage's ability to upload
     the source package. 
 - librefetch:
   * Bugfix: When creating a signature file, it often tried to
     re-create the file it was signing.  It shouldn't do that.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 14 01:13:16 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 01:13:16 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [konqueror] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170514011316.1073.48443@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* konqueror 16.12.1-2.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/konqueror/
* konqueror 16.12.3-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/konqueror/
* konqueror 16.12.3-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/konqueror/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current release is 17.04.1



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 14 01:16:39 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 01:16:39 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kdebase-runtime] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170514011639.1073.48246@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* kdebase-runtime 16.12.1-1.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/kdebase-runtime/
* kdebase-runtime 17.04.0-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/kdebase-runtime/
* kdebase-runtime 17.04.0-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/kdebase-runtime/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current release is 17.04.1



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 14 01:16:43 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 01:16:43 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [akonadi-contacts] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170514011643.1073.68058@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* akonadi-contacts 17.04.0-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/akonadi-contacts/
* akonadi-contacts 17.04.0-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/akonadi-contacts/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current release is 17.04.1



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 14 10:53:40 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 10:53:40 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [maven] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170514105340.1072.7131@proton.parabola.nu>

woroof at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* maven 3.3.9-1.parabola2 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/maven/


The user provided the following additional text:

http://maven.apache.org/docs/3.5.0/release-notes.html



From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Sun May 14 17:29:10 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (heckyel at openmailbox.org)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:29:10 -0500
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
Message-ID: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>

Hi friends, the latest update of language pack (icedove-l10n)
for Icedove 1:52.1.0-1 is not working.

Greetings.

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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Sun May 14 17:33:11 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 19:33:11 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>
References: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170514173311.GB2119@riseup.net>

The same applies to iceweasel-l10n

Best,

Robert

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:29:10PM -0500, heckyel at openmailbox.org wrote:
> Hi friends, the latest update of language pack (icedove-l10n)
> for Icedove 1:52.1.0-1 is not working.
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> -- 
> Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/cybersy/
> https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Sun May 14 17:34:12 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 19:34:12 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>
References: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170514173411.GA18087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


please be more specific.
what do you mean it is 'not working'?

-A

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:29:10PM -0500, heckyel at openmailbox.org wrote:
> Hi friends, the latest update of language pack (icedove-l10n)
> for Icedove 1:52.1.0-1 is not working.
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> -- 
> Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/cybersy/
> https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
> 
> Protect your emails with GnuPG:
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From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Sun May 14 17:51:48 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jes=c3=bas_Eduardo?=)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
Message-ID: <fb027596-39d1-42cb-78cc-6adce20ce743@openmailbox.org>

For example the Spanish language does not work in icedove, 
I refer to the icedove, is in the repository [Libre].

This problem was also reported for iceweasel.

Greetings.

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 14 17:52:02 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:52:02 +0100
Subject: [Dev] arch-install-scripts invalid signature
Message-ID: <20170514175202.GA13579@avalon-parabola.home>

error: arch-install-scripts: signature from "Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>" is invalid

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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Sun May 14 18:04:53 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:04:53 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <20170514173411.GA18087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <7cc7c57f-31d3-7d44-fd65-0cba2bd939f0@openmailbox.org>
 <20170514173411.GA18087@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>

Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
at all.

R.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 07:34:12PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> please be more specific.
> what do you mean it is 'not working'?
> 
> -A
> 
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:29:10PM -0500, heckyel at openmailbox.org wrote:
> > Hi friends, the latest update of language pack (icedove-l10n)
> > for Icedove 1:52.1.0-1 is not working.
> > 
> > Greetings.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
> > https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/cybersy/
> > https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
> > 
> > Protect your emails with GnuPG:
> > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Sun May 14 18:13:39 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Jes=c3=bas_Eduardo?=)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 13:13:39 -0500
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
References: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>

> Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
> displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
> at all.
>
> R.


That is exactly what happens.

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Sun May 14 18:28:12 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:28:12 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
 <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170514182812.GA22150@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I see, I just tried it and you are right.

I'm not sure what's happening, but it seems that the issue is with the
icedove build, not the langpack one. I'll look into it.

-A

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 01:13:39PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
> > displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
> > at all.
> >
> > R.
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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Sun May 14 18:49:38 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:49:38 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <20170514182812.GA22150@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
 <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>
 <20170514182812.GA22150@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170514184938.GA2804@riseup.net>

Thanks for your efforts, Andreas.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:28:12PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> I see, I just tried it and you are right.
> 
> I'm not sure what's happening, but it seems that the issue is with the
> icedove build, not the langpack one. I'll look into it.
> 
> -A
> 
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 01:13:39PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > > Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
> > > displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
> > > at all.
> > >
> > > R.
> > 
> > 
> > That is exactly what happens.
> > 
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From nospam at curso.re  Sun May 14 20:34:58 2017
From: nospam at curso.re (nospam at curso.re)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:34:58 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Fix calibre 2.84.0 PKGBUILD and patches
Message-ID: <878tlz41ot.fsf@example.com>

- PKGBUILD file would not apply the patches and resulted in nonfree calibre
- libre.patch would not apply cleanly (sha512 sum recalculated)

(You can apply this patch using `git am`.)

---
 libre/calibre/PKGBUILD    | 20 ++++++--------------
 libre/calibre/libre.patch |  9 +++++++--
 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)

diff --git a/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD b/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD
index 5f20bf070..38f4705da 100644
--- a/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD
+++ b/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 
 pkgname=calibre
 pkgver=2.84.0
-pkgrel=1.parabola
+pkgrel=2.parabola
 pkgdesc="Ebook management application, without nonfree decompression engine for RAR archives"
 arch=('i686' 'x86_64' 'armv7h')
 url="https://calibre-ebook.com/"
@@ -30,23 +30,19 @@ optdepends=('ipython2: to use calibre-debug'
 )
 replaces=($pkgname-libre)
 conflicts=($pkgname-libre)
-mksource=("http://download.$pkgname-ebook.com/${pkgver}/$pkgname-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
+source=("http://download.$pkgname-ebook.com/${pkgver}/$pkgname-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
           "https://calibre-ebook.com/signatures/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.xz.sig"
           'libre.patch'
           '0001-Remove-new_version_notification.patch'
           '0001-Remove-code-that-contacts-calibre-servers-to-check-u.patch')
-source=("https://download.calibre-ebook.com/${pkgver}/calibre-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
-        "https://calibre-ebook.com/signatures/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.xz.sig")
-mksha512sums=('a28aa52379bc317e648087b28859a8e2c50dd4e2ccb3352e135f896ad95ab9c85c1fba162fe3acd5056be80e7c4e9481ea1396cb638661cfdb27795051124821'
+sha512sums=('83bd3b6393f7d7bf6f5bb8496444b5973df144dcf9be8d7e0b1fb21ec456a30c2abb5cf4090ecaa18cf97ffc9272e483a89ee3bbd294c5a31d1228e7b44fd275'
               'SKIP'
-              '14800a1895fd8a5e942e282688081c607730e866e825df53918c49d973ae3e6eb78a5d48354b6e1cf58953e8e0cf9ca030e9278ec296f8de222c9bd8b2945bf4'
+              '14341846ea396ba9bffc75717c1c9b5134c5f38a94b73bd5620db6ac15f66d24169a5b440a7367c93a50b26a9f7753cc2d47e1b7fef30859fb47a4134d1cd129'
               'd95ea4e9911b62d466c2a590746c2a42c38834988bd505df7a0af3a76bde9d273f0ada405eb12ef0506da0a098d31adabe5b1b44acd23db8349ffd233d1c1b1d'
-              'f81c2f269399a44763ca77a5ceb4031ea0efd06e87b7c0e3a34cbf5765b0ee35ba66373a3d721bdfc947085994066cca77546bada2c39a6cbb5a4743a5c4fa04')
-sha512sums=('83bd3b6393f7d7bf6f5bb8496444b5973df144dcf9be8d7e0b1fb21ec456a30c2abb5cf4090ecaa18cf97ffc9272e483a89ee3bbd294c5a31d1228e7b44fd275'
-            'SKIP')
+              'b305e20774fc4dc7ea45d15b59e96c672cc8eab396bfca4830e72df260f1e3d8381a4c3db0ef623029243bd1cd21331e4df0e2e5078d61bca1931767e5b480cd')
 validpgpkeys=('3CE1780F78DD88DF45194FD706BC317B515ACE7C')
 
-mksource(){
+prepare() {
   cd "${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
 
   # Remove nonfree unRAR utility files from the source
@@ -59,10 +55,6 @@ mksource(){
   patch -Np1 -i "${srcdir}/libre.patch"
   patch -Np1 -i "${srcdir}/0001-Remove-new_version_notification.patch"
   patch -Np1 -i "${srcdir}/0001-Remove-code-that-contacts-calibre-servers-to-check-u.patch"
-}
-
-prepare(){
-  cd "${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
 
   # Remove unneeded files and libs
   # FIXME: remove html5lib too, but the latest html5lib breaks calibre. And calibre
diff --git a/libre/calibre/libre.patch b/libre/calibre/libre.patch
index 06525e2a3..d61ebc2be 100644
--- a/libre/calibre/libre.patch
+++ b/libre/calibre/libre.patch
@@ -158,7 +158,11 @@ index 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644
              series_index = self.site_customization
              if series_index not in {'volume', 'issue'}:
                  series_index = 'volume'
-@@ -353,17 +348,6 @@ class PMLMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin):
+diff --git a/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py b/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py
+index b342725c78..90bfeba618 100644
+--- a/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py
++++ b/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py
+@@ -354,17 +354,6 @@ class PMLMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin):
          return get_metadata(stream)
  
  
@@ -166,7 +170,7 @@ index 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644
 -
 -    name = 'Read RAR metadata'
 -    file_types = set(['rar'])
--    description = _('Read metadata from ebooks in RAR archives')
+-    description = _('Read metadata from e-books in RAR archives')
 -
 -    def get_metadata(self, stream, ftype):
 -        from calibre.ebooks.metadata.rar import get_metadata
@@ -176,6 +180,7 @@ index 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644
  class RBMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin):
  
      name        = 'Read RB metadata'
+
 diff --git a/src/calibre/customize/ui.py b/src/calibre/customize/ui.py
 index 9b5eb17fb..87233d03b 100644
 --- a/src/calibre/customize/ui.py
-- 
2.13.0


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Sun May 14 20:46:48 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Fix calibre 2.84.0 PKGBUILD and patches
In-Reply-To: <878tlz41ot.fsf@example.com>
References: <878tlz41ot.fsf@example.com>
Message-ID: <864a5168-3277-727a-9ee9-7b1e36494195@openmailbox.org>

And this also works for the latest version?
https://download.calibre-ebook.com/2.85.1/

El 14/05/17 a las 16:34, nospam at curso.re escribi?:
> - PKGBUILD file would not apply the patches and resulted in nonfree
> calibre - libre.patch would not apply cleanly (sha512 sum
> recalculated)
> 
> (You can apply this patch using `git am`.)
> 
> --- libre/calibre/PKGBUILD    | 20 ++++++-------------- 
> libre/calibre/libre.patch |  9 +++++++-- 2 files changed, 13
> insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD b/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD index
> 5f20bf070..38f4705da 100644 --- a/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD +++
> b/libre/calibre/PKGBUILD @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
> 
> pkgname=calibre pkgver=2.84.0 -pkgrel=1.parabola 
> +pkgrel=2.parabola pkgdesc="Ebook management application, without
> nonfree decompression engine for RAR archives" arch=('i686'
> 'x86_64' 'armv7h') url="https://calibre-ebook.com/" @@ -30,23
> +30,19 @@ optdepends=('ipython2: to use calibre-debug' ) 
> replaces=($pkgname-libre) conflicts=($pkgname-libre) 
> -mksource=("http://download.$pkgname-ebook.com/${pkgver}/$pkgname-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
>
> 
+source=("http://download.$pkgname-ebook.com/${pkgver}/$pkgname-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
> "https://calibre-ebook.com/signatures/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.xz.sig"
>
> 
'libre.patch'
> '0001-Remove-new_version_notification.patch' 
> '0001-Remove-code-that-contacts-calibre-servers-to-check-u.patch') 
> -source=("https://download.calibre-ebook.com/${pkgver}/calibre-${pkgver}.tar.xz"
>
> 
-
"https://calibre-ebook.com/signatures/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.xz.sig")
> -mksha512sums=('a28aa52379bc317e648087b28859a8e2c50dd4e2ccb3352e135f896ad95ab9c85c1fba162fe3acd5056be80e7c4e9481ea1396cb638661cfdb27795051124821'
>
> 
+sha512sums=('83bd3b6393f7d7bf6f5bb8496444b5973df144dcf9be8d7e0b1fb21ec456a30c2abb5cf4090ecaa18cf97ffc9272e483a89ee3bbd294c5a31d1228e7b44fd275'
> 'SKIP' -
> '14800a1895fd8a5e942e282688081c607730e866e825df53918c49d973ae3e6eb78a5d48354b6e1cf58953e8e0cf9ca030e9278ec296f8de222c9bd8b2945bf4'
>
> 
+
'14341846ea396ba9bffc75717c1c9b5134c5f38a94b73bd5620db6ac15f66d24169a5b440a7367c93a50b26a9f7753cc2d47e1b7fef30859fb47a4134d1cd129'
> 'd95ea4e9911b62d466c2a590746c2a42c38834988bd505df7a0af3a76bde9d273f0ada405eb12ef0506da0a098d31adabe5b1b44acd23db8349ffd233d1c1b1d'
>
> 
-
'f81c2f269399a44763ca77a5ceb4031ea0efd06e87b7c0e3a34cbf5765b0ee35ba66373a3d721bdfc947085994066cca77546bada2c39a6cbb5a4743a5c4fa04')
> -sha512sums=('83bd3b6393f7d7bf6f5bb8496444b5973df144dcf9be8d7e0b1fb21ec456a30c2abb5cf4090ecaa18cf97ffc9272e483a89ee3bbd294c5a31d1228e7b44fd275'
>
> 
-            'SKIP')
> +
> 'b305e20774fc4dc7ea45d15b59e96c672cc8eab396bfca4830e72df260f1e3d8381a4c3db0ef623029243bd1cd21331e4df0e2e5078d61bca1931767e5b480cd')
>
> 
validpgpkeys=('3CE1780F78DD88DF45194FD706BC317B515ACE7C')
> 
> -mksource(){ +prepare() { cd "${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
> 
> # Remove nonfree unRAR utility files from the source @@ -59,10
> +55,6 @@ mksource(){ patch -Np1 -i "${srcdir}/libre.patch" patch
> -Np1 -i "${srcdir}/0001-Remove-new_version_notification.patch" 
> patch -Np1 -i
> "${srcdir}/0001-Remove-code-that-contacts-calibre-servers-to-check-u.patch"
>
> 
-}
> - -prepare(){ -  cd "${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
> 
> # Remove unneeded files and libs # FIXME: remove html5lib too, but
> the latest html5lib breaks calibre. And calibre diff --git
> a/libre/calibre/libre.patch b/libre/calibre/libre.patch index
> 06525e2a3..d61ebc2be 100644 --- a/libre/calibre/libre.patch +++
> b/libre/calibre/libre.patch @@ -158,7 +158,11 @@ index
> 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644 series_index = self.site_customization 
> if series_index not in {'volume', 'issue'}: series_index =
> 'volume' -@@ -353,17 +348,6 @@ class
> PMLMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin): +diff --git
> a/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py
> b/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py +index b342725c78..90bfeba618
> 100644 +--- a/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py ++++
> b/src/calibre/customize/builtins.py +@@ -354,17 +354,6 @@ class
> PMLMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin): return
> get_metadata(stream)
> 
> 
> @@ -166,7 +170,7 @@ index 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644 - -    name =
> 'Read RAR metadata' -    file_types = set(['rar']) --
> description = _('Read metadata from ebooks in RAR archives') +-
> description = _('Read metadata from e-books in RAR archives') - -
> def get_metadata(self, stream, ftype): -        from
> calibre.ebooks.metadata.rar import get_metadata @@ -176,6 +180,7 @@
> index 102bc8149..25a877c02 100644 class
> RBMetadataReader(MetadataReaderPlugin):
> 
> name        = 'Read RB metadata' + diff --git
> a/src/calibre/customize/ui.py b/src/calibre/customize/ui.py index
> 9b5eb17fb..87233d03b 100644 --- a/src/calibre/customize/ui.py
> 

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From nospam at curso.re  Sun May 14 21:05:34 2017
From: nospam at curso.re (nospam at curso.re)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 22:05:34 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Fix calibre 2.84.0 PKGBUILD and patches
References: <878tlz41ot.fsf@example.com>
 <864a5168-3277-727a-9ee9-7b1e36494195@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87vap32lk0.fsf@example.com>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:

> And this also works for the latest version?
> https://download.calibre-ebook.com/2.85.1/
>
> El 14/05/17 a las 16:34, nospam at curso.re escribi?:
>> - PKGBUILD file would not apply the patches and resulted in nonfree
>> calibre - libre.patch would not apply cleanly (sha512 sum
>> recalculated)
>> ---SNIPPED---

(resending to whole list)

The PKGBUID file works OK, but the patches don't apply cleanly:

Hunk #2 FAILED at 40.
1 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/calibre/ebooks/metadata/archive.py.rej

Hunk #1 FAILED at 39.
Hunk #2 succeeded at 64 with fuzz 2 (offset -3 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 199 (offset -1 lines).
1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/calibre/gui2/actions/add.py.rej

Hunk #1 FAILED at 4424.
Hunk #2 succeeded at 12903 (offset 15 lines).
1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file translations/calibre/main.pot.rej


I may be able to look into this tomorrow, but I think it is equally
important to verify whether the current package is nonfree/nonprivacy
and fix it.

Thanks,

-- S.


From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 14 22:22:54 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 22:22:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [gnome-settings-daemon] marked
 out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170514222254.1073.83237@proton.parabola.nu>

sam at psylo.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

The out of date patched version (3.22.2 vs. 3.24.2) is causing GNOME to fail to start up, as the rest of the GNOME components are at the newer version.

See: https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-May/005404.html

I can also attest to this occurring on my own hardware.



From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May 15 09:45:23 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:45:23 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <20170514184938.GA2804@riseup.net>
References: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
 <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>
 <20170514182812.GA22150@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170514184938.GA2804@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20170515094523.GA11248@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


the langpacks were installed to the wrong paths. I fixed the paths, and
everything should be back in order now. If there are still issues, let
me know.

-A

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:49:38PM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> Thanks for your efforts, Andreas.
> 
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:28:12PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > 
> > I see, I just tried it and you are right.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what's happening, but it seems that the issue is with the
> > icedove build, not the langpack one. I'll look into it.
> > 
> > -A
> > 
> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 01:13:39PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > > > Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
> > > > displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
> > > > at all.
> > > >
> > > > R.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That is exactly what happens.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Jes?s Eduardo | Developer and Hacker of Parabola GNU/Linux-Libre
> > > https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/cybersy/
> > > https://conocimientoslibres.tuxfamily.org
> > > 
> > > Protect your emails with GnuPG:
> > > https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org
> > > 
> > > Free Software Webmail Systems
> > > https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From encycl at parlementum.red  Mon May 15 10:07:53 2017
From: encycl at parlementum.red (Charles Roth)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 03:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Fix calibre 2.84.0 PKGBUILD and patches
In-Reply-To: <mailman.376.1494841525.975.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
References: <mailman.376.1494841525.975.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <6788e80f-4e62-77ef-fdc3-c25f4b287a21@parlementum.red>

Calibre is already on 2.85. Stop trying to fix 2.84 would be my advice.


On 05/15/2017 02:45 AM, dev-request at lists.parabola.nu wrote:
> Re: [PATCH] Fix calibre 2.84.0 PKGBUILD and patches

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From alessi at robertalessi.net  Mon May 15 10:12:05 2017
From: alessi at robertalessi.net (Robert Alessi)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:12:05 +0200
Subject: [Dev] language pack icedove-l10 is not working
In-Reply-To: <20170515094523.GA11248@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170514180453.GA2292@riseup.net>
 <b0981711-a023-d79f-455b-edaef61fccd5@openmailbox.org>
 <20170514182812.GA22150@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170514184938.GA2804@riseup.net>
 <20170515094523.GA11248@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170515101205.GA2328@riseup.net>

Everything is fine, and many thanks for upgrading the nonprism version
of icedoce too!

Robert

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:45:23AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> the langpacks were installed to the wrong paths. I fixed the paths, and
> everything should be back in order now. If there are still issues, let
> me know.
> 
> -A
> 
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:49:38PM +0200, Robert Alessi wrote:
> > Thanks for your efforts, Andreas.
> > 
> > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:28:12PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> > > 
> > > I see, I just tried it and you are right.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what's happening, but it seems that the issue is with the
> > > icedove build, not the langpack one. I'll look into it.
> > > 
> > > -A
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 01:13:39PM -0500, Jes?s Eduardo wrote:
> > > > > Those are not my words, but I can say that every menu item is
> > > > > displayed in English, just as if no language pack had been installed
> > > > > at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That is exactly what happens.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
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From eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org  Mon May 15 20:33:46 2017
From: eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org (Eliot Reyna)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:33:46 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Important Arch Linux announcement: deprecation of ABS tool
 and rsync endpoint
Message-ID: <a5c8c4b4-9122-de27-678a-a4ca5efd2817@openmailbox.org>

Arch replaced ABS to ASP (Arch Build Source Management Tool) due to the 
huge charge of data that involves on it. More information can be found here:

https://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-abs/

Thanks.

Eliot.



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May 16 01:43:30 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 01:43:30 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icedove] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170516014330.1072.58503@proton.parabola.nu>

eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icedove 1:52.1.0-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icedove/
* icedove 1:52.1.0-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icedove/


The user provided the following additional text:

Please update of Icedove 52.1.1, according to the Thunderbird release notes of the 52.1.1 version.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/52.1.1/releasenotes/

Thanks.



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May 16 01:46:10 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 01:46:10 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icedove-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170516014610.1073.2823@proton.parabola.nu>

eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icedove-l10n-ar 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ar/
* icedove-l10n-ast 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ast/
* icedove-l10n-be 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-be/
* icedove-l10n-bg 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-bg/
* icedove-l10n-bn-bd 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-bn-bd/
* icedove-l10n-br 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-br/
* icedove-l10n-ca 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ca/
* icedove-l10n-cs 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-cs/
* icedove-l10n-cy 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-cy/
* icedove-l10n-da 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-da/
* icedove-l10n-de 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-de/
* icedove-l10n-dsb 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-dsb/
* icedove-l10n-el 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-el/
* icedove-l10n-en-gb 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-en-gb/
* icedove-l10n-en-us 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-en-us/
* icedove-l10n-es-ar 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-es-ar/
* icedove-l10n-es-es 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-es-es/
* icedove-l10n-et 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-et/
* icedove-l10n-eu 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-eu/
* icedove-l10n-fi 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-fi/
* icedove-l10n-fr 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-fr/
* icedove-l10n-fy-nl 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-fy-nl/
* icedove-l10n-ga-ie 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ga-ie/
* icedove-l10n-gd 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-gd/
* icedove-l10n-gl 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-gl/
* icedove-l10n-he 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-he/
* icedove-l10n-hr 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-hr/
* icedove-l10n-hsb 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-hsb/
* icedove-l10n-hu 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-hu/
* icedove-l10n-hy-am 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-hy-am/
* icedove-l10n-id 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-id/
* icedove-l10n-is 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-is/
* icedove-l10n-it 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-it/
* icedove-l10n-ja 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ja/
* icedove-l10n-ko 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ko/
* icedove-l10n-lt 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-lt/
* icedove-l10n-nb-no 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-nb-no/
* icedove-l10n-nl 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-nl/
* icedove-l10n-nn-no 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-nn-no/
* icedove-l10n-pa-in 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-pa-in/
* icedove-l10n-pl 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-pl/
* icedove-l10n-pt-br 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-pt-br/
* icedove-l10n-pt-pt 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-pt-pt/
* icedove-l10n-rm 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-rm/
* icedove-l10n-ro 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ro/
* icedove-l10n-ru 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ru/
* icedove-l10n-si 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-si/
* icedove-l10n-sk 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-sk/
* icedove-l10n-sl 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-sl/
* icedove-l10n-sq 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-sq/
* icedove-l10n-sr 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-sr/
* icedove-l10n-sv-se 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-sv-se/
* icedove-l10n-ta-lk 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-ta-lk/
* icedove-l10n-tr 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-tr/
* icedove-l10n-uk 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-uk/
* icedove-l10n-vi 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-vi/
* icedove-l10n-zh-cn 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-zh-cn/
* icedove-l10n-zh-tw 1:52.1.0-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icedove-l10n-zh-tw/


The user provided the following additional text:

Mozilla Thunderbird has released an update patch, according to the release notes:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/52.1.1/releasenotes/

Please update to the Icedove 52.1.1.

Thanks.



From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Tue May 16 21:02:14 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:02:14 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
Message-ID: <20170516210214.GA633@avalon-parabola.home>

arch-install-scripts, a dep of libretools, WILL NOT install.

error: arch-install-scripts: signature from "Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>" is invalid
:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/arch-install-scripts-17-1-any.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May 16 23:14:07 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:14:07 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170516231407.1072.13689@proton.parabola.nu>

jm.100best at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.13_gnu-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

4.11.1



From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Wed May 17 01:13:22 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 21:13:22 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <20170516210214.GA633@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170516210214.GA633@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <12b8b76f-7e9d-d936-01b3-67559b9b0a8f@openmailbox.org>

Then try this:

$ pacman-key --list-keys | grep 'Dave Reisner'
gpg: Note: trustdb not writable
uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>
uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <dreisner at archlinux.org>

As you see, the trust is "full", it could also be "ultimate", if in your
case is "marginal" or sth. like not trusted, then try:

$ sudo pacman-key --edit-key key-id-or-owner-name

Replace key-id-or-owner-name with 'Dave Reisner' in this case (including
the quotation marks!)
then in the GPG CLI interface run

gpg>trust

and when it asks you "Your decision?" set it to 5.
then you should get:

Do you really want to set this key to ultimate trust? (y/N)

and accept too, and after that run:

gpg> quit
Save changes? (y/N) y

then re-run the first command, if you see that the change was
successful, then the issue should be solved

El 16/05/17 a las 17:02, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> arch-install-scripts, a dep of libretools, WILL NOT install.
> 
> error: arch-install-scripts: signature from "Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>" is invalid
> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/arch-install-scripts-17-1-any.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
> 

-- 
GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78


From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Wed May 17 11:21:32 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 12:21:32 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <12b8b76f-7e9d-d936-01b3-67559b9b0a8f@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170516210214.GA633@avalon-parabola.home>
 <12b8b76f-7e9d-d936-01b3-67559b9b0a8f@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170517112132.GA634@avalon-parabola.home>

Thanks Megver but it seems that's not the problem:

$ pacman-key --list-keys | grep 'Dave Reisner'
gpg: Note: trustdb not writable
uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>
uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <dreisner at archlinux.org>
$ sudo pacman -S libretools
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (11) apr-1.5.2-2  apr-util-1.5.4-3  arch-install-scripts-17-1  expac-8-1  gitget-20170512-1  librelib-20170512-1  serf-1.3.9-2  subversion-1.9.5-2  tokyocabinet-1.4.48-3
              xbs-20170512-1  libretools-20170512-1

Total Installed Size:  39.28 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
(11/11) checking keys in keyring                                                                                   [#####################################################################] 100%
(11/11) checking package integrity                                                                                 [#####################################################################] 100%
error: arch-install-scripts: signature from "Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>" is invalid
:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/arch-install-scripts-17-1-any.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] y
error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package)
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
$

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 09:13:22PM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
> Then try this:
> 
> $ pacman-key --list-keys | grep 'Dave Reisner'
> gpg: Note: trustdb not writable
> uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>
> uid           [  full  ] Dave Reisner <dreisner at archlinux.org>
> 
> As you see, the trust is "full", it could also be "ultimate", if in your
> case is "marginal" or sth. like not trusted, then try:
> 
> $ sudo pacman-key --edit-key key-id-or-owner-name
> 
> Replace key-id-or-owner-name with 'Dave Reisner' in this case (including
> the quotation marks!)
> then in the GPG CLI interface run
> 
> gpg>trust
> 
> and when it asks you "Your decision?" set it to 5.
> then you should get:
> 
> Do you really want to set this key to ultimate trust? (y/N)
> 
> and accept too, and after that run:
> 
> gpg> quit
> Save changes? (y/N) y
> 
> then re-run the first command, if you see that the change was
> successful, then the issue should be solved
> 
> El 16/05/17 a las 17:02, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> > arch-install-scripts, a dep of libretools, WILL NOT install.
> > 
> > error: arch-install-scripts: signature from "Dave Reisner <d at falconindy.com>" is invalid
> > :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/arch-install-scripts-17-1-any.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
> > 
> 
> -- 
> GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 17 12:53:11 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:53:11 +0200
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <877f1rm4wc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
 <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <2c743b8f-77c6-508a-edbc-0da9910477c9@openmailbox.org>
 <20170508210423.GA15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f1rm4wc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20170517125311.GA3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


ping

-A

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 06:10:11PM -0300, fauno wrote:
> Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:
> > which, I guess, excludes me from the list :)
> 
> mmmh, i'll check it tomorrow then!
> 
> -- 
> :>



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From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 17 12:53:53 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:53:53 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [allanitomwesh@gmail.com: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access
 EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?]
In-Reply-To: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


ping @ pad for arm port.

I'd create one myself, but I don't know how :)

-A

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 06:49:58PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> fyi - it seems we are the first ones to the table.
> 
> @all:
> do we have a pad on the arm port, and if not could we create one? I
> think this would be useful for finding out how many cards we will need,
> who will do what for the port, who organizes the shipping et cetera.
> 
> I would also suggest that those interested in maintaining the arm port
> join the arm-netbook mailing list so that they are in the loop with all
> relevant information without me forwarding everything.
> 
> Best,
> Andreas
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com> -----
> 
> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:04:11 +0300
> From: Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com>
> To: Eco-Concscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org>, arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access EOMA68 to hardware for parabola	ARM	maintainers?
> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android
> 
> Put in as many people as would be useful to your project. No other distro has come here with interest like you guys so I'd take advantage of that before it changes. 
> Didn't you have guys working on a handheld eoma console? Get them in on it as well. 
> 
> On 11 May 2017 18:34:01 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his
> >site. 
> >> 
> >> Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of
> >> the arm-netbook mailing list:
> >
> >Thank you very much!
> >
> >> *Begin of shortened quote*
> >> "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000
> >> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net>
> >> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
> >> 
> >> i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to
> >> get 50 boards made up.  i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some
> >> micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and
> >the
> >> OTG-Host cables, have to see.
> >> 
> >> any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of
> >numbers
> >> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
> >
> >This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
> >
> >Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined
> >number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
> >
> >We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more.
> >Would
> >asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
> >
> >Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
> >
> >Is there an ETA?
> >
> >Best,
> >-Andreas
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >my GPG Public Key:                
> >https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 17 12:55:57 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:55:57 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Update people's website and
In-Reply-To: <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <5a1950e0-160e-e50c-8057-362b9217ace4@openmailbox.org>
 <87poff884p.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <20170517125557.GC3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 04:13:10PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2017 21:02:33 -0400,
> Megver83 wrote:
> > *Add the new hackers to labs so that anyone can assign them (or they
> > can self-assign) any task related to packages, for example.
> 
> TODO

ping :)

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From mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com  Wed May 17 13:10:36 2017
From: mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com (Bill Auger)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [allanitomwesh@gmail.com: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access
 EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?]
In-Reply-To: <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAD3PP07hkJJ_zatWaf_hWF-c7UrmhTKnt5etS_WyB5QrKeP+ZA@mail.gmail.com>

there is an existing pad --> https://pad.kefir.red/p/ParabolaPackages

NOTE: the subject of this thread is borked - this is related to the
thread "[Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
support"

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Andreas Grapentin
<andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
>
> ping @ pad for arm port.
>
> I'd create one myself, but I don't know how :)
>
> -A
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 06:49:58PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
>>
>> fyi - it seems we are the first ones to the table.
>>
>> @all:
>> do we have a pad on the arm port, and if not could we create one? I
>> think this would be useful for finding out how many cards we will need,
>> who will do what for the port, who organizes the shipping et cetera.
>>
>> I would also suggest that those interested in maintaining the arm port
>> join the arm-netbook mailing list so that they are in the loop with all
>> relevant information without me forwarding everything.
>>
>> Best,
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded message from Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com> -----
>>
>> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:04:11 +0300
>> From: Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com>
>> To: Eco-Concscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org>, arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access EOMA68 to hardware for parabola       ARM     maintainers?
>> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android
>>
>> Put in as many people as would be useful to your project. No other distro has come here with interest like you guys so I'd take advantage of that before it changes.
>> Didn't you have guys working on a handheld eoma console? Get them in on it as well.
>>
>> On 11 May 2017 18:34:01 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his
>> >site.
>> >>
>> >> Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of
>> >> the arm-netbook mailing list:
>> >
>> >Thank you very much!
>> >
>> >> *Begin of shortened quote*
>> >> "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000
>> >> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net>
>> >> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
>> >>
>> >> i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to
>> >> get 50 boards made up.  i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some
>> >> micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and
>> >the
>> >> OTG-Host cables, have to see.
>> >>
>> >> any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of
>> >numbers
>> >> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
>> >
>> >This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
>> >
>> >Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined
>> >number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
>> >
>> >We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more.
>> >Would
>> >asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
>> >
>> >Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
>> >
>> >Is there an ETA?
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >-Andreas
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >my GPG Public Key:
>> >https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>
>> --
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> my GPG Public Key:                 https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
>
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>
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> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 17 13:16:35 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:16:35 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [allanitomwesh@gmail.com: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access
 EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?]
In-Reply-To: <CAD3PP07hkJJ_zatWaf_hWF-c7UrmhTKnt5etS_WyB5QrKeP+ZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <CAD3PP07hkJJ_zatWaf_hWF-c7UrmhTKnt5etS_WyB5QrKeP+ZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170517131635.GA7288@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Yes. I was thinking of organizing the arm efforts in a separate pad, but
we could certainly use this one.

Thanks for pointing out the issue of the broken subject line. I don't
know how to fix that though... ^_^

-A

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:10:36AM -0400, Bill Auger wrote:
> there is an existing pad --> https://pad.kefir.red/p/ParabolaPackages
> 
> NOTE: the subject of this thread is borked - this is related to the
> thread "[Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
> support"
> 
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Andreas Grapentin
> <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
> >
> > ping @ pad for arm port.
> >
> > I'd create one myself, but I don't know how :)
> >
> > -A
> >
> > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 06:49:58PM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> >>
> >> fyi - it seems we are the first ones to the table.
> >>
> >> @all:
> >> do we have a pad on the arm port, and if not could we create one? I
> >> think this would be useful for finding out how many cards we will need,
> >> who will do what for the port, who organizes the shipping et cetera.
> >>
> >> I would also suggest that those interested in maintaining the arm port
> >> join the arm-netbook mailing list so that they are in the loop with all
> >> relevant information without me forwarding everything.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Forwarded message from Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com> -----
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:04:11 +0300
> >> From: Allan Mwenda <allanitomwesh at gmail.com>
> >> To: Eco-Concscious Computing <arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk>, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org>, arm-netbook at lists.phcomp.co.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access EOMA68 to hardware for parabola       ARM     maintainers?
> >> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android
> >>
> >> Put in as many people as would be useful to your project. No other distro has come here with interest like you guys so I'd take advantage of that before it changes.
> >> Didn't you have guys working on a handheld eoma console? Get them in on it as well.
> >>
> >> On 11 May 2017 18:34:01 GMT+03:00, Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Yes Luke has a list somewhere for devs who want early access on his
> >> >site.
> >> >>
> >> >> Correct. I'm going to save you the time to search the vast archive of
> >> >> the arm-netbook mailing list:
> >> >
> >> >Thank you very much!
> >> >
> >> >> *Begin of shortened quote*
> >> >> "Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:49:59 +0000
> >> >> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkclatlkcl.net>
> >> >> Subject: [Arm-netbook] Mainlining the EOMA68-A20
> >> >>
> >> >> i'm just talking to my host, here in taiwan, to use his equipment to
> >> >> get 50 boards made up.  i'll also get some RS232-UARTs and some
> >> >> micro-desktops made as well... or perhaps some breakout boards and
> >> >the
> >> >> OTG-Host cables, have to see.
> >> >>
> >> >> any takers please put alias down here so i get a quick idea of
> >> >numbers
> >> >> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ "
> >> >
> >> >This looks very promising. I need to ask a couple more questions:
> >> >
> >> >Could parabola as a whole go into that list, with a to-be-determined
> >> >number of cards, or would we need to name the individual hackers?
> >> >
> >> >We have at least three people working on the arm port, maybe more.
> >> >Would
> >> >asking for ~5 cards still be in the right ballpark?
> >> >
> >> >Would the prototypes be lent to us? donated? sold?
> >> >
> >> >Is there an ETA?
> >> >
> >> >Best,
> >> >-Andreas
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >my GPG Public Key:
> >> >https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >>
> >> ----- End forwarded message -----
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> my GPG Public Key:                 https://files.grapentin.org/.gpg/public.key
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Dev mailing list
> >> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> >

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From mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com  Wed May 17 13:57:40 2017
From: mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com (Bill Auger)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:57:40 -0400
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
Message-ID: <CAD3PP06_vywKvck7P1at_YGCkPKR+XbXq3v-zNwtGowAxCQSrQ@mail.gmail.com>

well after the flood of interest shown in the previous thread it seems
that once it comes down to the decision that not many are stepping up
- so i will try to move this forward


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:19 AM, fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
> who will be working on the arm port and wants to get an eoma68 card?

i agree with fauno here that rather than the original suggestion to
ask for a separate unit for everyone on the official team - the more
reasonable concern is: "who will actually need one?" - i myself, for
example, have offered to help with this but i am not among the
official developers so i see the original proposal as misguided - as i
mentioned when this first came up, i added myself and oaken-source to
the etherpad as potential packagers - i have seen no one else actually
say even that much let alone that "yes i will handle this package ...
and this package ..." - this should be the key discussion for the
moment


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> wrote:
> With "working on the ARM port" you mean to just make Parabola work in
> the EOMA68?

El 11/05/17 a las 17:10, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the packages in ARM port come
> straight from Arch ARM?
> Maybe we just need 1 to see if Parabola works OK on it.

i add this point also because i have seen conflicting opinions on this
topic - to be clear, regardless of whether the packages "come from"
arch - that is only to say that the build recipes are unmodified from
the arch version but the actual binaries will be re-build by parabola
- yes? - some have said quite reasonably, that the actual packaging
should be done on the more powerful build server that already exists
for that purpose - others have said that arm packages should be built
on an arm device - my opinion would be that the EOMA cards would be
strictly necessary only for custom packages and debugging and
otherwise for verification purposes - but that it is more sensible to
use the build server for production


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:19 AM, fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
> who's closer to the eoma68's and can get them and re-mail them?

the answer to this is unclear to me - it seems that the company itself
is in UK and they are talking about a manufacturer in Taiwan - but
they are offering free shipping to customers in the US only - this
would imply that production shipping will originate from the US but
that says nothing of the initial prototypes that may be on-hand now


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed May 17 14:06:18 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:06:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A new MOTD for #parabola - Was: Who's maintaining
 PenParabola and Parabola Gaming Project?
In-Reply-To: <20170517125311.GA3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <39d913d3-4e63-9b88-5348-7a5d7a135c21@openmailbox.org>
 <59066205.7080004@gmail.com>
 <93f40910-8c82-fe2c-6ffa-3152178af0fa@openmailbox.org>
 <20170501065344.GB5923@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170508125341.GA17943@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <8ac47915-b633-aec3-b5f9-41817eca2654@openmailbox.org>
 <87o9v3mk48.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <2c743b8f-77c6-508a-edbc-0da9910477c9@openmailbox.org>
 <20170508210423.GA15312@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f1rm4wc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20170517125311.GA3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <878tlvwpb9.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> ping

sorry.  i just made myself op to discover there's no -t, can you try
using /topic instead of telling chanserv to change the topic?

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed May 17 14:07:34 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:07:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [allanitomwesh@gmail.com: Re: [Arm-netbook] early access
 EOMA68 to hardware for parabola ARM maintainers?]
In-Reply-To: <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170511164958.GA11234@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <20170517125353.GB3671@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <8760gzwp95.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> ping @ pad for arm port.
>
> I'd create one myself, but I don't know how :)

just go to a pad url and put a name on it :)

here's one you can use: https://pad.riseup.net
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Wed May 17 14:49:49 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:49:49 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <20170517112132.GA634@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170516210214.GA633@avalon-parabola.home>
 <12b8b76f-7e9d-d936-01b3-67559b9b0a8f@openmailbox.org>
 <20170517112132.GA634@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <87y3tvo7w2.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

`pacman-key --refresh-keys`?

--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Wed May 17 16:49:31 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVzw7pzIEUu?=)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <87y3tvo7w2.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87y3tvo7w2.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <34ece497-4c90-c289-c9d7-9c0caa01afd2@openmailbox.org>

You may be able to fix it with?

rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
pacman-key --init
pacman-key --populate archlinux parabola
pacman-key --refresh-keys
pacman -Suuyy

-- 
Conocimientos Libres!
Happy hacking
    Jes?s E.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Wed May 17 19:52:17 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:52:17 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <34ece497-4c90-c289-c9d7-9c0caa01afd2@openmailbox.org>
References: <87y3tvo7w2.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <34ece497-4c90-c289-c9d7-9c0caa01afd2@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <e2476554-d00a-3831-683e-a09977d8cd89@openmailbox.org>

El 17/05/17 a las 12:49, Jes?s E. escribi?:
> You may be able to fix it with?
> 
> rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
> pacman-key --init
> pacman-key --populate archlinux parabola
> pacman-key --refresh-keys
> pacman -Suuyy

Shouldn't be -Syyuu instead of -Suuyy ?

> 
> 
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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Wed May 17 20:00:11 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 21:00:11 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <34ece497-4c90-c289-c9d7-9c0caa01afd2@openmailbox.org>
References: <87y3tvo7w2.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <34ece497-4c90-c289-c9d7-9c0caa01afd2@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170517200011.GB618@avalon-parabola.home>

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:49:31AM -0500, Jes?s E. wrote:
> You may be able to fix it with?
> 
> rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
> pacman-key --init
> pacman-key --populate archlinux parabola
> pacman-key --refresh-keys
> pacman -Suuyy
> 
> -- 
> Conocimientos Libres!
> Happy hacking
>     Jes?s E.
> 

WOW, this fixed it! I was sure I already tried this.


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 17 20:20:44 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 20:20:44 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [claws-mail] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170517202044.1073.43947@proton.parabola.nu>

megver83 at parabola.nu wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

Version 3.15.0 is in [extra]



From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Wed May 17 20:22:11 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVzw7pzIEUu?=)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:22:11 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Still can't install libretools
In-Reply-To: <20170517200011.GB618@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170517200011.GB618@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <564a5e0c-9f9c-bd0b-0daa-6fa3f5e6b084@openmailbox.org>

Perfect. Although i misspelled the last parameter. If someone else has
problems the solution would be to:

rm -rf /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
pacman-key --init
pacman-key --populate archlinux parabola
pacman-key --refresh-keys
pacman -Syyuu

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 13:26:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:26:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
Message-ID: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>

Hi, as most of us may know, Arch Linux removed linux-grsec from their
repositories. Now they have a linux-hardened kernel in their [community]
repository, so I was thinking on why not having a linux-libre-hardened
kernel that replaces the grsec one.

We can have both kernels too, but as Parabola Social Contract[0]
specifies that "We will respect the design philosophies of the systems
ours are based on", which also has to do with packages, ideally we
should be as Arch-like as possible.

The other option is to move linux-libre-grsec to [kernels] or [pcr], as
those repositories have packages not found in Arch's official ones.

[0] https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Social_Contract


From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May 18 13:35:09 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:35:09 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


what are the significant differences between grsec and hardened?
if there are none, or they are negligible, I approve of this, assuming
we come up with a good upgrade strategy for those who use grsec.

-A

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 01:26:00PM +0000, Megver83 wrote:
> Hi, as most of us may know, Arch Linux removed linux-grsec from their
> repositories. Now they have a linux-hardened kernel in their [community]
> repository, so I was thinking on why not having a linux-libre-hardened
> kernel that replaces the grsec one.
> 
> We can have both kernels too, but as Parabola Social Contract[0]
> specifies that "We will respect the design philosophies of the systems
> ours are based on", which also has to do with packages, ideally we
> should be as Arch-like as possible.
> 
> The other option is to move linux-libre-grsec to [kernels] or [pcr], as
> those repositories have packages not found in Arch's official ones.
> 
> [0] https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Social_Contract
> _______________________________________________
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 14:28:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:28:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
 <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <974f7813-43db-c078-ffb6-1cf24b9daf47@openmailbox.org>

The main difference is that grsecurity it is no longer free to the
public -->
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GrSecurity-No-Longer-Free
You can read --> https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton_faq.php
"4.9 was specifically chosen as the last public release"
And that's the version of linux-libre-grsec which was wrongly marked
out-of-date, because we do not support this kind of software.

In the other hand, linux-hardened afaik it uses patches form the Gentoo
Hardened project and others from here -->
https://github.com/thestinger/linux-hardened which are free software.

Andreas Grapentin:
> 
> what are the significant differences between grsec and hardened?
> if there are none, or they are negligible, I approve of this, assuming
> we come up with a good upgrade strategy for those who use grsec.
> 
> -A
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 01:26:00PM +0000, Megver83 wrote:
>> Hi, as most of us may know, Arch Linux removed linux-grsec from their
>> repositories. Now they have a linux-hardened kernel in their [community]
>> repository, so I was thinking on why not having a linux-libre-hardened
>> kernel that replaces the grsec one.
>>
>> We can have both kernels too, but as Parabola Social Contract[0]
>> specifies that "We will respect the design philosophies of the systems
>> ours are based on", which also has to do with packages, ideally we
>> should be as Arch-like as possible.
>>
>> The other option is to move linux-libre-grsec to [kernels] or [pcr], as
>> those repositories have packages not found in Arch's official ones.
>>
>> [0] https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Social_Contract
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
> 
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> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From adfeno at openmailbox.org  Mon May 15 19:28:15 2017
From: adfeno at openmailbox.org (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:28:15 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina
Message-ID: <87bmqt6htc.fsf@openmailbox.org>

Richard Stallman needs no introduction... but here is one anyway!
Richard Stallman is the author of the GNU GPL, founded the Free Software
Foundation, and started the development of the GNU operating system
(including GNU Emacs, GCC, the coreutils, etc.), which we and tens of
millions of GNU/Linux users love.  However, his main contribution is
philosophical.  He is the father of the Free Software Movement.  He
identified four freedoms that each one of us deserves to be in control
of her computing.  Stallman now dedicates most of his life to advocacy.
In particular, he travels the whole world to eloquently spread awareness
about the Free Software Movement, its ethical foundations and its social
and political necessity.

Richard Stallman will deliver ten talks in Brazil and Argentina,
starting with "A Free Digital Society" in Belo Horizonte on May 29th.
Here is the whole list:

- May 29th, 2pm in Belo Horizonte, Brazil: "A Free Digital Society" (talk
  in English with simultaneous translation in Portuguese, using 300
  headsets) in the Audit?rio Nobre (640 seats) of the CAD1 building in the
  Pampulha campus of the UFMG;

- May 31st, 4pm in Campinas, Brazil: "Your Freedom as a User of Computers
  and Cell Phones" in the room CB-06 of the Ciclo B?sico I (antigo) of the
  Universidade Estadual de Campinas;

- June 2nd, 6pm in Curitiba, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom" in
  the Audit?rio Prof. Ulysses de Campos in the Applied Social Sciences
  Sector of the UFPR. The organizers of the event are seeking donations to
  provide translation equipment for the speech:
  [[http://rms.curitibalivre.org.br/financiamento-coletivo.shtml]];

- June 5th, in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Tu Libertad en el Uso de
  Computadoras y Telefonos" (talk in Spanish), precise location and time
  to be determined;

- June 7th, 5pm in Santa Fe, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
  (talk in Spanish), in the Rectorado of the Universidad Nacional del
  Litoral;

- June 9th, 5pm in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Copyright vs Comunidad" (talk
  in Spanish), precise location to be determined;

- June 12th, 5pm in San Salvador de Jujuy, Argentina: "Copyright vs
  Comunidad" (talk in Spanish) in the Anfiteatro of the Facultad de
  Ingenieria of the Universidad Nacional de Jujuy;

- June 13th, 6pm in Salta, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
  (talk in Spanish) in the Universidad Nacional de Salta, precise location
  to be determined;

- June 15th and 16th in Brasilia, Brasil: Stallman needs hosting in that
  city and date. Please contact Alexandre Oliva and ask for the
  requirements: [[http://fsfla.org/~lxoliva/]];

- June 17th, 1pm in Bras?lia, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom"
  during the Campus Party in Bras?lia (CPBSB) in the Centro de Conven??es
  Ulysses Guimar?es, only to CPBSB attendees;

- June 19th in Bras?lia, Brazil: in the Universidade de Bras?lia, precise
  location and time to be determined.

Stallman will be selling items to the benefit of the Free Software
Foundation: please bring cash.

-- 
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- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (n?o confundir com
  gratis).
- "WhatsApp"? Ele n?o ? livre, por isso n?o uso. Iguais a ele prefiro
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From dima at tehnoetic.com  Wed May 17 13:18:05 2017
From: dima at tehnoetic.com (Dima Ursu)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:18:05 +0300
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
Message-ID: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>

The licenses package has and outdated link to MPL, which returns 404.

The correct link is now - https://www.mozilla.org/media/MPL/1.1/index.txt

Also, the checksum for the ruby license is failing.

Dima.

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Engineer @ Tehnoetic
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From marcel at roethke.info  Thu May 18 13:57:28 2017
From: marcel at roethke.info (=?UTF-8?Q?Marcel_R=c3=b6thke?=)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:57:28 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <63f20261-c575-13c8-329f-421b3d28e112@roethke.info>

On 18.05.2017 15:26, Megver83 wrote:
> We can have both kernels too, ?

How?
The patches are not publicly available anymore, that's why arch dropped
the kernel. Continuing to use the current version is probably not a good
idea, since patches for non LTS kernels where afaik never considered
stable by the devs.


From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Thu May 18 16:09:56 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 09:09:56 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
 <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3625890.AdFJIlWyKp@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> what are the significant differences between grsec and hardened?
Most grsecurity features will not be available, notably RAP, hide symbols, 
hide proc, hide sys, and module hardening. Perhaps one day they will.
A list of their upstreaming progress can be found here:
https://github.com/thestinger/linux-hardened/wiki#upstream-progress-tracking

Otherwise the changes are largely flipping kernel switches, such as enabling 
SELinux by default.

So far hardened appears to be the primary project to continue provisioning 
public grsecurity-esque benefits.


> And that's the version of linux-libre-grsec which was wrongly marked
> out-of-date, because we do not support this kind of software.
My understanding of GPLv2 is that if the sole copyright holder re-licenses 
their software, this is not retroactive to previously distributed releases nor 
outwardly applicable to forks.
Furthermore, as grsecurity did not re-license the test patches, it merely 
stopped offering them, the scenario is no different than had grsecurity simply 
shut down.
Under this scenario, the out-of-date notice remains correct.

Whether using a no longer maintained kernel release is a good idea is another 
matter entirely.

Btw,
>Flagged out-of-date on 2017-04-21
This was 4 days before grsecurity ceased providing public test patches.


-jc
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Thu May 18 16:34:06 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
Message-ID: <1495125246.2468.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le mer. 17 mai 2017 ? 8:18, Dima Ursu a ?crit :
> The licenses package has and outdated link to MPL, which returns 404.
> 
> The correct link is now - 
> https://www.mozilla.org/media/MPL/1.1/index.txt

this is better directed at Arch:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/49174

> Also, the checksum for the ruby license is failing.

our fault, I would say.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 18:06:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 18:06:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina
In-Reply-To: <87bmqt6htc.fsf@openmailbox.org>
References: <87bmqt6htc.fsf@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <d9f8d5bb-be63-5a21-f003-ea8d6123cc26@openmailbox.org>

So near from Chile, but not in Chile :P
Are there going to be live transmissions? To watch him in real time.

Adonay Felipe Nogueira:
> Richard Stallman needs no introduction... but here is one anyway!
> Richard Stallman is the author of the GNU GPL, founded the Free Software
> Foundation, and started the development of the GNU operating system
> (including GNU Emacs, GCC, the coreutils, etc.), which we and tens of
> millions of GNU/Linux users love.  However, his main contribution is
> philosophical.  He is the father of the Free Software Movement.  He
> identified four freedoms that each one of us deserves to be in control
> of her computing.  Stallman now dedicates most of his life to advocacy.
> In particular, he travels the whole world to eloquently spread awareness
> about the Free Software Movement, its ethical foundations and its social
> and political necessity.
> 
> Richard Stallman will deliver ten talks in Brazil and Argentina,
> starting with "A Free Digital Society" in Belo Horizonte on May 29th.
> Here is the whole list:
> 
> - May 29th, 2pm in Belo Horizonte, Brazil: "A Free Digital Society" (talk
>   in English with simultaneous translation in Portuguese, using 300
>   headsets) in the Audit?rio Nobre (640 seats) of the CAD1 building in the
>   Pampulha campus of the UFMG;
> 
> - May 31st, 4pm in Campinas, Brazil: "Your Freedom as a User of Computers
>   and Cell Phones" in the room CB-06 of the Ciclo B?sico I (antigo) of the
>   Universidade Estadual de Campinas;
> 
> - June 2nd, 6pm in Curitiba, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom" in
>   the Audit?rio Prof. Ulysses de Campos in the Applied Social Sciences
>   Sector of the UFPR. The organizers of the event are seeking donations to
>   provide translation equipment for the speech:
>   [[http://rms.curitibalivre.org.br/financiamento-coletivo.shtml]];
> 
> - June 5th, in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Tu Libertad en el Uso de
>   Computadoras y Telefonos" (talk in Spanish), precise location and time
>   to be determined;
> 
> - June 7th, 5pm in Santa Fe, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
>   (talk in Spanish), in the Rectorado of the Universidad Nacional del
>   Litoral;
> 
> - June 9th, 5pm in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Copyright vs Comunidad" (talk
>   in Spanish), precise location to be determined;
> 
> - June 12th, 5pm in San Salvador de Jujuy, Argentina: "Copyright vs
>   Comunidad" (talk in Spanish) in the Anfiteatro of the Facultad de
>   Ingenieria of the Universidad Nacional de Jujuy;
> 
> - June 13th, 6pm in Salta, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
>   (talk in Spanish) in the Universidad Nacional de Salta, precise location
>   to be determined;
> 
> - June 15th and 16th in Brasilia, Brasil: Stallman needs hosting in that
>   city and date. Please contact Alexandre Oliva and ask for the
>   requirements: [[http://fsfla.org/~lxoliva/]];
> 
> - June 17th, 1pm in Bras?lia, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom"
>   during the Campus Party in Bras?lia (CPBSB) in the Centro de Conven??es
>   Ulysses Guimar?es, only to CPBSB attendees;
> 
> - June 19th in Bras?lia, Brazil: in the Universidade de Bras?lia, precise
>   location and time to be determined.
> 
> Stallman will be selling items to the benefit of the Free Software
> Foundation: please bring cash.
> 

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 18:08:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 18:08:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
Message-ID: <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>

Andreas, can you make a list of all packages with this license? Only the
Parabola ones, Arch ones are not under our control.

Dima, did you also advised in Arch's Mailing lists?

Dima Ursu:
> The licenses package has and outdated link to MPL, which returns 404.
> 
> The correct link is now - https://www.mozilla.org/media/MPL/1.1/index.txt
> 
> Also, the checksum for the ruby license is failing.
> 
> Dima.
> 

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Thu May 18 18:11:24 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:11:24 +0200
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
 <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170518181124.GA32628@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


do you mean the MPL or the ruby license?


On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 06:08:00PM +0000, Megver83 wrote:
> Andreas, can you make a list of all packages with this license? Only the
> Parabola ones, Arch ones are not under our control.
> 
> Dima, did you also advised in Arch's Mailing lists?
> 
> Dima Ursu:
> > The licenses package has and outdated link to MPL, which returns 404.
> > 
> > The correct link is now - https://www.mozilla.org/media/MPL/1.1/index.txt
> > 
> > Also, the checksum for the ruby license is failing.
> > 
> > Dima.
> > 
> 
> -- 
> GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78
> 




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From adfeno at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 19:01:41 2017
From: adfeno at openmailbox.org (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 16:01:41 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina
In-Reply-To: <d9f8d5bb-be63-5a21-f003-ea8d6123cc26@openmailbox.org> (Megver's
 message of "Thu, 18 May 2017 18:06:00 +0000")
References: <87bmqt6htc.fsf@openmailbox.org>
 <d9f8d5bb-be63-5a21-f003-ea8d6123cc26@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87wp9e9ega.fsf@openmailbox.org>

For the one in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, there'll be a
recording. Unfortunatelly I don't know about the others so far.


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 19:27:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <63f20261-c575-13c8-329f-421b3d28e112@roethke.info>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
 <63f20261-c575-13c8-329f-421b3d28e112@roethke.info>
Message-ID: <b1ef9753-066e-e04e-4691-ee869d1d8774@openmailbox.org>

This is Why I say we should remove it, but IDK if there's someone who
still wants to keep it, in that case it can be moved to [kernels], but
we would just let it there rotting.

Marcel R?thke:
> On 18.05.2017 15:26, Megver83 wrote:
>> We can have both kernels too, ?
> 
> How?
> The patches are not publicly available anymore, that's why arch dropped
> the kernel. Continuing to use the current version is probably not a good
> idea, since patches for non LTS kernels where afaik never considered
> stable by the devs.
> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 19:27:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <20170518181124.GA32628@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
 <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>
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Message-ID: <555a64af-949f-a733-1f90-59296073dd49@openmailbox.org>

the MPL

Andreas Grapentin:
> 
> do you mean the MPL or the ruby license?
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 06:08:00PM +0000, Megver83 wrote:
>> Andreas, can you make a list of all packages with this license? Only the
>> Parabola ones, Arch ones are not under our control.
>>
>> Dima, did you also advised in Arch's Mailing lists?
>>
>> Dima Ursu:
>>> The licenses package has and outdated link to MPL, which returns 404.
>>>
>>> The correct link is now - https://www.mozilla.org/media/MPL/1.1/index.txt
>>>
>>> Also, the checksum for the ruby license is failing.
>>>
>>> Dima.
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Thu May 18 22:25:13 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 18:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Drop linux-libre-grsec in favor of linux-libre-hardened
In-Reply-To: <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <523540e2-e475-fcc5-99e3-4d5929add6c2@openmailbox.org>
 <20170518133509.GA14855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <db442be7-b28a-efd5-f9c6-5b4700eea6a5@openmailbox.org>

On 05/18/2017 09:35 AM, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> what are the significant differences between grsec and hardened?
> if there are none, or they are negligible, I approve of this, assuming
> we come up with a good upgrade strategy for those who use grsec.
>
> -A

For now running LTS + grsec patches are more secure than the current
alternatives. I've reached out to grsec, but got no response.

Here's the comparison:
https://grsecurity.net/compare.php

Here's the behind the scenes drama, exposing a coup by Google employees
against Grsec team:
http://openwall.com/lists/kernel-hardening/2017/05/11/2

And here's a forked alternative, which may or may not be good, currently
in progress:
https://github.com/minipli/linux-unofficial_grsec/tree/linux-4.9.x-unofficial_grsec


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May 19 02:40:07 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 02:40:07 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Nonprism package [gnome-settings-daemon] marked
 out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170519024007.1073.72128@proton.parabola.nu>

sam at psylo.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

The [nonprism] version is out of date (3.22.2-1 vs. [extra]'s 3.24.2-1). The version mismatch between it and other GNOME components causes GNOME to be unlaunchable, as well as preventing gdm from starting. (See https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-May/005404.html)



From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Fri May 19 03:52:27 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <555a64af-949f-a733-1f90-59296073dd49@openmailbox.org>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
 <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>
 <20170518181124.GA32628@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <555a64af-949f-a733-1f90-59296073dd49@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1495165947.1409.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le jeu. 18 mai 2017 ? 14:27, Megver83 a ?crit :
> the MPL
> 
> Andreas Grapentin:
>> 
>>  do you mean the MPL or the ruby license?
>> 
>> 
>>  On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 06:08:00PM +0000, Megver83 wrote:
>>>  Andreas, can you make a list of all packages with this license?

why though? we literally just need to wait for Arch to fix the
`licenses` package and make sure ours builds cleanly.

gosh, do I hate top-posting.

-- 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 19 04:05:12 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 06:05:12 +0200
Subject: [Dev] licenses package has outdated links
In-Reply-To: <1495165947.1409.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <2ae88bf0-dccd-2ca5-de26-3a6abf514eb1@tehnoetic.com>
 <bc0f4de8-cdab-9499-8d2e-432118a197df@openmailbox.org>
 <20170518181124.GA32628@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <555a64af-949f-a733-1f90-59296073dd49@openmailbox.org>
 <1495165947.1409.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <20170519040512.GA2403@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:52:27PM -0500, Isaac David wrote:
> gosh, do I hate top-posting.

Sorry, I'll be better.

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 19 11:45:49 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 13:45:49 +0200
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
Message-ID: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


it seems that the last parabola iso was made last year:
https://repomirror.parabola.nu/iso/latest/

upgrading from this iso to a recent one seems to be quite a bumpy
process, considering the ca-certificate upgrade and the keyring changes,
so I propose we build a new one; and maybe aim for a semi-regular
release schedule as well.

Is there any documentation on how these isos are built and released?

-A

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Fri May 19 14:29:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:29:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
In-Reply-To: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <c784273e-6cf1-b0b1-d179-a9e5c4c7c725@openmailbox.org>

ISOs are always built from from scratch, afaik, what I do is remaster[0]
them, however, I'd maintain the ISOs if I knew how to use
Parabolaiso[1], in the past, Jorginho used to maintain them, maybe
someone can ask him.

[0] https://wiki.parabola.nu/Remastering_the_Install_ISO
[1] https://wiki.parabola.nu/Hacking:Parabolaiso

Andreas Grapentin:
> 
> it seems that the last parabola iso was made last year:
> https://repomirror.parabola.nu/iso/latest/
> 
> upgrading from this iso to a recent one seems to be quite a bumpy
> process, considering the ca-certificate upgrade and the keyring changes,
> so I propose we build a new one; and maybe aim for a semi-regular
> release schedule as well.
> 
> Is there any documentation on how these isos are built and released?
> 
> -A
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Fri May 19 14:53:41 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVzw7pzIEUu?=)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 09:53:41 -0500
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
In-Reply-To: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <84cb4394-2838-47b7-5c23-606f0acd4daf@openmailbox.org>

Yes, it is necessary to perform a new iso for Parabola.
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Fri May 19 19:02:26 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:02:26 +0200
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
In-Reply-To: <84cb4394-2838-47b7-5c23-606f0acd4daf@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <84cb4394-2838-47b7-5c23-606f0acd4daf@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170519190226.GA11454@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


Ok, so I successfully rebuilt the parabola iso.

...

what now?




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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri May 19 19:09:23 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:09:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
In-Reply-To: <20170519190226.GA11454@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <84cb4394-2838-47b7-5c23-606f0acd4daf@openmailbox.org>
 <20170519190226.GA11454@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <874lwgmzoc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> Ok, so I successfully rebuilt the parabola iso.

seed it!

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri May 19 19:10:14 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:10:14 -0300
Subject: [Dev] we probably need a more up-to-date parabola iso
In-Reply-To: <20170519190226.GA11454@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170519114549.GA24347@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <84cb4394-2838-47b7-5c23-606f0acd4daf@openmailbox.org>
 <20170519190226.GA11454@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <871srkmzmx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> Ok, so I successfully rebuilt the parabola iso.
>
> ...
>
> what now?

it would be interesting to build it automatically on server everytime
something important changes, like a keyring update

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sat May 20 13:07:29 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Librerelease doesn't work?
Message-ID: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>

I built new pacman2pacman, librestaged it to pcr and librereleased it,
but it's still stuck on version 1.5.4-1. It should be 1.5.6-3 now. Logs:

joseph at avalon-parabola:~/packages/abslibre/pcr/pacman2pacman$ sudo libremakepkg
[sudo] password for joseph:
==> Initializing the chroot...
==> Starting pre-build activities...
 |  ==> Downloading blacklist of proprietary software packages...done
 |    -> Inspecting package pkgname=pacman2pacman (1.5.6-3)
==> Downloading sources...
 |  ==> Making package: pacman2pacman 1.5.6-3 (Sat 20 May 13:09:25 BST 2017)
 |  ==> Retrieving sources...
 |    -> Downloading pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz...
 |    % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
 |                                   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
 |  100  127k  100  127k    0     0   610k      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  612k
 |  ==> Validating source files with md5sums...
 |      pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz ... Passed
==> Starting to build the package...
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Making package: pacman2pacman 1.5.6-3 (Sat May 20 13:09:25 BST 2017)
 |  ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
 |  ==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
 |  ==> Retrieving sources...
 |    -> Found pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz
 |  ==> Validating source files with md5sums...
 |      pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz ... Passed
 |  ==> Extracting sources...
 |    -> Extracting pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz with bsdtar
 |  ==> Sources are ready.
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Cleaning chroot...
 |    -> Creating a full list of packages...
 |    -> No packages to remove
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Making package: pacman2pacman 1.5.6-3 (Sat May 20 13:09:27 BST 2017)
 |  ==> Retrieving sources...
 |    -> Found pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz
 |  ==> Validating source files with md5sums...
 |      pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz ... Passed
 |  ==> Entering fakeroot environment...
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Creating source package...
 |    -> Adding PKGBUILD...
 |    -> Generating .SRCINFO file...
 |    -> Adding pacman2pacman-1.5.6.tar.gz...
 |    -> Adding install file (pacman2pacman.install)...
 |    -> Compressing source package...
 |  ==> Leaving fakeroot environment.
 |  ==> Source package created: pacman2pacman (Sat May 20 13:09:27 BST 2017)
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Making package: pacman2pacman 1.5.6-3 (Sat May 20 13:09:27 BST 2017)
 |  ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
 |  ==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
 |  ==> WARNING: Using existing $srcdir/ tree
 |  ==> Entering fakeroot environment...
 |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory
 |  ==> Starting package()...
 |  ==> Tidying install...
 |    -> Removing libtool files...
 |    -> Purging unwanted files...
 |    -> Removing static library files...
 |    -> Stripping unneeded symbols from binaries and libraries...
 |    -> Compressing man and info pages...
 |  ==> Checking for packaging issue...
 |  ==> Creating package "pacman2pacman"...
 |    -> Generating .PKGINFO file...
 |    -> Generating .BUILDINFO file...
 |    -> Adding install file...
 |    -> Generating .MTREE file...
 |    -> Compressing package...
 |  ==> Leaving fakeroot environment.
 |  ==> Finished making: pacman2pacman 1.5.6-3 (Sat May 20 13:09:27 BST 2017)
==> Starting post-build activities...
 |  ==> Extracting database to a temporary location...
 |  ==> Adding package 'pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz'
 |    -> Computing checksums...
 |    -> Creating 'desc' db entry...
 |    -> Creating 'files' db entry...
 |  ==> Creating updated database file 'repo.db.tar.gz'
==> Copying log and package files out of the chroot...
joseph at avalon-parabola:~/packages/abslibre/pcr/pacman2pacman$ librestage pcr
==> Found package: pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz
  -> pacman2pacman staged on [pcr]
==> Found source package: pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz
  -> pacman2pacman staged on [sources]
joseph at avalon-parabola:~/packages/abslibre/pcr/pacman2pacman$ librerelease
Configure 'GPGKEY' in one of:
  -> /etc/makepkg.conf
  -> /home/joseph/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf
==> Running HOOKPRERELEASE...
    ssh -fN repo at repo.parabola.nu
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig.
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz.sig.
==> 148K to upload
==> Uploading packages...
building file list ...
7 files to consider
pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz
           6.54K 100%    0.00kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#1, to-chk=5/7)
pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig
             566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2, to-chk=4/7)
sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz
         132.20K 100%  126.08MB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#3, to-chk=1/7)
sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz.sig
             566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#4, to-chk=0/7)
==> Removing files from local staging directory
removed 'pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz'
removed 'pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.6-3-any.src.tar.gz'
==> Running db-update on repos
==> ERROR: Package pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz already exists in another repository
==> Removing left over lock from [pcr] (i686)
==> Removing left over lock from [pcr] (x86_64)
==> Removing left over lock from [pcr] (armv7h)
==> Running HOOKPOSTRELEASE...
    sudo librechroot clean-repo
joseph at avalon-parabola:~/packages/abslibre/pcr/pacman2pacman$


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From andreas at grapentin.org  Sat May 20 14:28:21 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:28:21 +0200
Subject: [Dev] EOMA68 cards for the arm port - Was: the future of arm
 support
In-Reply-To: <CAD3PP06_vywKvck7P1at_YGCkPKR+XbXq3v-zNwtGowAxCQSrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD3PP06_vywKvck7P1at_YGCkPKR+XbXq3v-zNwtGowAxCQSrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170520142821.GA29855@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


I created a dedicated pad for the work on the arm port:
  https://pad.riseup.net/p/ParabolaArm

I would like everyone who wants to contribute work on this to put their
name there and start editing. I would suggest we collect arm-specific
TODOs there and keep track of the next milestones.

-A

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Sat May 20 18:39:16 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Librerelease doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <87o9unmkyz.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 09:07:29 -0400,
Joseph Graham wrote:

> I built new pacman2pacman, librestaged it to pcr and librereleased it,
> but it's still stuck on version 1.5.4-1. It should be 1.5.6-3 now. Logs:
> 
> ...

Wow, there are actually multiple bugs going on there, some of which I
know what to do, some of which I need to investigate.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 21 01:08:09 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 01:08:09 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170521010809.1073.89638@proton.parabola.nu>

eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/
* iceweasel-l10n-af 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/
* iceweasel-l10n-an 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/
* iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/
* iceweasel-l10n-as 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/
* iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ast/
* iceweasel-l10n-az 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-az/
* iceweasel-l10n-bg 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bg/
* iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-bd/
* iceweasel-l10n-bn-in 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bn-in/
* iceweasel-l10n-br 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-br/
* iceweasel-l10n-bs 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-bs/
* iceweasel-l10n-ca 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ca/
* iceweasel-l10n-cak 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cak/
* iceweasel-l10n-cs 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cs/
* iceweasel-l10n-cy 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-cy/
* iceweasel-l10n-da 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-da/
* iceweasel-l10n-de 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-de/
* iceweasel-l10n-dsb 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-dsb/
* iceweasel-l10n-el 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-el/
* iceweasel-l10n-en-gb 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-gb/
* iceweasel-l10n-en-us 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-us/
* iceweasel-l10n-en-za 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-en-za/
* iceweasel-l10n-eo 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eo/
* iceweasel-l10n-es-ar 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-ar/
* iceweasel-l10n-es-cl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-cl/
* iceweasel-l10n-es-es 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-es/
* iceweasel-l10n-es-mx 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-es-mx/
* iceweasel-l10n-et 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-et/
* iceweasel-l10n-eu 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-eu/
* iceweasel-l10n-fa 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fa/
* iceweasel-l10n-ff 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ff/
* iceweasel-l10n-fi 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fi/
* iceweasel-l10n-fr 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fr/
* iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-fy-nl/
* iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ga-ie/
* iceweasel-l10n-gd 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gd/
* iceweasel-l10n-gl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gl/
* iceweasel-l10n-gn 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gn/
* iceweasel-l10n-gu-in 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-gu-in/
* iceweasel-l10n-he 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-he/
* iceweasel-l10n-hi-in 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hi-in/
* iceweasel-l10n-hr 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hr/
* iceweasel-l10n-hsb 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hsb/
* iceweasel-l10n-hu 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hu/
* iceweasel-l10n-hy-am 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-hy-am/
* iceweasel-l10n-id 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-id/
* iceweasel-l10n-is 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-is/
* iceweasel-l10n-it 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-it/
* iceweasel-l10n-ja 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ja/
* iceweasel-l10n-ka 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ka/
* iceweasel-l10n-kab 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kab/
* iceweasel-l10n-kk 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kk/
* iceweasel-l10n-km 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-km/
* iceweasel-l10n-kn 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-kn/
* iceweasel-l10n-ko 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ko/
* iceweasel-l10n-lij 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lij/
* iceweasel-l10n-lt 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lt/
* iceweasel-l10n-lv 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-lv/
* iceweasel-l10n-mai 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mai/
* iceweasel-l10n-mk 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mk/
* iceweasel-l10n-ml 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ml/
* iceweasel-l10n-mr 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-mr/
* iceweasel-l10n-ms 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ms/
* iceweasel-l10n-nb-no 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nb-no/
* iceweasel-l10n-nl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nl/
* iceweasel-l10n-nn-no 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-nn-no/
* iceweasel-l10n-or 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-or/
* iceweasel-l10n-pa-in 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pa-in/
* iceweasel-l10n-pl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pl/
* iceweasel-l10n-pt-br 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-br/
* iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-pt-pt/
* iceweasel-l10n-rm 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-rm/
* iceweasel-l10n-ro 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ro/
* iceweasel-l10n-ru 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ru/
* iceweasel-l10n-si 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-si/
* iceweasel-l10n-sk 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sk/
* iceweasel-l10n-sl 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sl/
* iceweasel-l10n-son 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-son/
* iceweasel-l10n-sq 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sq/
* iceweasel-l10n-sr 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sr/
* iceweasel-l10n-sv-se 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-sv-se/
* iceweasel-l10n-ta 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ta/
* iceweasel-l10n-te 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-te/
* iceweasel-l10n-th 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-th/
* iceweasel-l10n-tr 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-tr/
* iceweasel-l10n-uk 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uk/
* iceweasel-l10n-uz 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-uz/
* iceweasel-l10n-vi 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-vi/
* iceweasel-l10n-xh 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-xh/
* iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn/
* iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw 1:53.0.2-4 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw/


The user provided the following additional text:

Please update the Iceweasel language pack to the 53.0.3 version, due to the package conflicts that generates between both versions.



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May 21 12:19:30 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 12:19:30 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [ark] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170521121930.1072.16318@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* ark 16.12.1-1.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/ark/
* ark 17.04.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/ark/
* ark 17.04.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/ark/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current release is 17.04.1



From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May 22 19:10:45 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Librestage stages non-tar.xz files
Message-ID: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>

Hi, when running librestage after compiling linux-libre it stages the
RCN-libre patches and logos

$ librestage
==> Found package: linux-libre-4.10.16_gnu-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
  -> linux-libre staged on [libre]
==> Found package: linux-libre-headers-4.10.16_gnu-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
  -> linux-libre-headers staged on [libre]
==> Found package: linux-libre-docs-4.10.16_gnu-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
  -> linux-libre-docs staged on [libre]
==> Found source package: linux-libre-4.10.16_gnu-1-x86_64.src.tar.gz
  -> linux-libre staged on [sources]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_clut224.ppm
  -> logo_linux_clut224.ppm staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_clut224.ppm.sig
  -> logo_linux_clut224.ppm.sig staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_mono.pbm
  -> logo_linux_mono.pbm staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_mono.pbm.sig
  -> logo_linux_mono.pbm.sig staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_vga16.ppm
  -> logo_linux_vga16.ppm staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: logo_linux_vga16.ppm.sig
  -> logo_linux_vga16.ppm.sig staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: rcn-libre-4.10.16-armv7-x2.patch
  -> rcn-libre-4.10.16-armv7-x2.patch staged on [other]
==> Found generated source file: rcn-libre-4.10.16-armv7-x2.patch.sig
  -> rcn-libre-4.10.16-armv7-x2.patch.sig staged on [other]

I don't understand why this happens, because then when I update the
kernel it says that those files already exists in
other/linux-libre/logos (the solution is to remove the 'other' directory
from ~/staging/megver83/staging, but I don't want to do that *every
time* I run librerelease)

Thanks.

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From heckyel at openmailbox.org  Mon May 22 19:43:23 2017
From: heckyel at openmailbox.org (=?UTF-8?B?SmVzw7pzIEUu?=)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:43:23 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Librestage stages non-tar.xz files
In-Reply-To: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>
References: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <5fbf4b60-af22-1994-4975-82ddaeabcc47@openmailbox.org>

Yes, It seems unnecessary to back upload existing files. There is no way
to fix it?
-- 
Conocimientos Libres!
Happy hacking
    Jes?s E.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May 22 19:46:37 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Linux-libre-firmware 4.11 is available in [libre-testing]
Message-ID: <e9e78c53-0ea0-8730-c72f-4bbacba9e7ce@openmailbox.org>

Hi, just uploaded linux-libre-firmware to [libre-testing]
https://repomirror.parabola.nu/pool/parabola/linux-libre-firmware-4.11_gnu-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
I'll move it to [libre] when I upload linux-libre 4.11 to [libre], since
it is not stable enough. Note that the firmwares are not necessarily
unstable too (they are just firmwares), however it is better to prevent
than regret.

Cheers.

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May 22 20:28:01 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Librestage stages non-tar.xz files
In-Reply-To: <5fbf4b60-af22-1994-4975-82ddaeabcc47@openmailbox.org>
References: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>
 <5fbf4b60-af22-1994-4975-82ddaeabcc47@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <7e30a52b-6b4e-2a76-ac19-fe65e0bcafa7@openmailbox.org>

Don't know. You're right, it's non sense to re-upload those files, not
even a tarball of the patches and logos is generated (which is not
necessary BTW).

El 22/05/17 a las 15:43, Jes?s E. escribi?:
> Yes, It seems unnecessary to back upload existing files. There is no way
> to fix it?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Mon May 22 20:37:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:37:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] linux-libre-firmwares 4.11 is available in [libre-testing]
Message-ID: <17206988-f9d2-67e3-93fc-fcf806b58f6b@openmailbox.org>

Hi, I just uploaded linux-libre-firmwares 4.11 to [libre-testing] as
linux-libre 4.11 is not stable enough. However, as these are just
firmwares, they should work well, but I didn't uploaded it to [libre]
because you know, it's better to prevent than regret.

Cheers.

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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Mon May 22 20:56:57 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:56:57 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Librerelease doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <1495486617.5243.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le sam. 20 mai 2017 ? 8:07, Joseph Graham a ?crit :
> I built new pacman2pacman, librestaged it to pcr and librereleased it,
> but it's still stuck on version 1.5.4-1. It should be 1.5.6-3 now. 
> Logs:
> 
[...]
> ==> ERROR: Package pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
>            already exists in another repository

multiple versions of this package are present in your staging
directory on the server. I don't think db-update can handle all
at once.

try deleting the old ones and then
repo at repo $ STAGING=~/staging/joseph/staging db-update

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Mon May 22 21:22:36 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 17:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Librestage stages non-tar.xz files
In-Reply-To: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>
References: <efe046a3-0c8e-bf01-39d1-a0d504c187ff@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87h90cmvs3.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

It uploads things from sources=() that are in
https://repo.parabola.nu/other/

The warnings about them already existing when you run `librerelease`
can be ignored.

https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/469

If you would like to alter the behavior, you can remove the files from
$WORKDIR/staging between running `librestage` and `librerelease`, or
by editing /etc/libretools.d/librefetch.conf (or
~/.config/libretools/librefetch.conf)

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Mon May 22 23:32:54 2017
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 00:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Blacklist zeitgeist in your-privacy-blacklist
Message-ID: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>

Hello,

This is a request to blacklist, or somehow disable the package zeitgeist 
and related packages in the your-privacy-blacklist.

It basically keeps a log of all of the users actions in the form of an 
sqllite3 database.

Deleting the package can cause problems for gnome-desktop users though, 
I'm not sure if it's enough to delete the database, touch the file and 
set it as read-only? This may be preferable as some other packages also 
rely on zeitgeist and related packages.

... I am testing on a Trisquel machine to see what happens. It is worth 
noting that this affects all gnome desktops, and ubuntu and it's 
derivatives. It is not known to me whether it also affects Debian and 
it's derivatives using the 'default' settings. Either way, installing 
anything that uses the zeitgeist libraries will probably mean you are 
being logged.

So freak out,


Josh


From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May 23 00:53:19 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 19:53:19 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Blacklist zeitgeist in your-privacy-blacklist
In-Reply-To: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>
References: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1495500799.4201.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Josh Branning wrote:
> It basically keeps a log of all of the users actions in the form of 
> an sqllite3 database.

where do you draw the line between this kind of desktop log and the
plethora of traditional-ish system logs? should we also blacklist
journaling filesystems? storing useful information is something that
lots of programs are expected to do.

I sense a misunderstanding in the purpose of `your-privacy`. afaict,
`your-privacy` is designed to shun packages that exfiltrate
information to third parties (internet companies for example), but
zeitgeist only makes the information it collects locally-available
(correct me if I'm wrong, I don't use it myself).

> Deleting the package can cause problems for gnome-desktop users 
> though,...
> 
> ...It is worth noting that this affects all gnome desktops, and 
> ubuntu and it's derivatives.

I don't think so. I'm a GNOME user and I have never been asked to
install zeitgeist. I think this could be a problem for other
GNOME-based desktops though. I'm thinking of Elementary and Unity.

-- 
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May 23 01:18:52 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Algorithm-Diff's License
Message-ID: <1495502332.4201.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Hello Tye,

I write you as a maintainer of the Parabola GNU/Linux-libre distro,
hoping that you'll be able to clarify a licensing question for us
regarding the Perl package Algorithm-Diff.

We noticed the following files in version 1.1903 don't mention any
license, which coupled with the lack of global copyright info left us
wondering whether it's safe to assume that these follow the same terms
as Perl itself, (like the rest of files):

 - htmldiff.pl
 - lib/Algorithm/DiffOld.pm
 - t/base.t
 - t/oo.t

What's their status? Anything else we should know about this package's
license?

Thanks in advance,

-- 
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Tue May 23 01:19:41 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 21:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
Message-ID: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

Hey guys,

With upstream Arch phasing out the 'abs' tool, the file-layout of
which abslibre.git mimics, I was thinking about changing how we do
abslibre.git.

Without making any concrete decisions yet: What do you guys think
about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
would be no 'master' branch.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Tue May 23 01:34:59 2017
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 02:34:59 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Blacklist zeitgeist in your-privacy-blacklist
In-Reply-To: <1495500799.4201.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>
 <1495500799.4201.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <592391C3.90100@gmail.com>

To me, the line is drawn when the system starts recording what files you 
open, or have opened, and at what time. I'd prefer it didn't do that.

Programs are next on the list. I'd rather the system didn't record which 
programs were opened when.

These kind of things create treasure troves of data, which if accessed 
can be easily used in digital forensics, or, snooping.

It is the same reason why ISPs shouldn't record, or be forced to record 
which websites you visit and when. The security services, like from 
which prism originated, would love access to this kind of data, and so 
probably would many black hat hackers and commercial companies.

In the UK, we have something called the Data Protection Act, which says 
that data held is supposed to be relevant if it is to be held on 
somebody. Of course, the UK now is effectively a surveillance state, but 
the principle still stands; there should be a good justification for 
holding and recording data like this.

One could of course argue that the metadata collected is at least 
partially relevant. But I consider the disadvantages (to privacy and 
security) to outweigh the possible advantages by far, in this instance.

I think privacy is about not leaving paper trails as much as it is about 
anything else. Otherwise, you would have to ensure the system was 100% 
secure to avoid the risk of the papers being taken any time in the 
future. And 100% security simply does not exist. Especially in complex 
systems.

Far better not to collect and hold that sort of data in the first place 
than to end up a cropper later on.

Not that I have anything to 'hide' or 'fear': I simply value my privacy 
and right to a private life.

Finally, if parabola's nonprism is about solely shunning packages that 
exfiltrate information to third parties, then perhaps we can also 
discuss a anti-logging version of parabola and/or parabola package which 
universally disables these almost unnecessary log(s)?

P.S.

I would also advise that you check to see if the directory 
~/.local/share/zeitgeist exists, as I wasn't explicitly 'asked' about 
the package either, and it seemed to exist on my system.


Thanks,


Josh

On 23/05/17 01:53, Isaac David wrote:
> Josh Branning wrote:
>> It basically keeps a log of all of the users actions in the form of an
>> sqllite3 database.
>
> where do you draw the line between this kind of desktop log and the
> plethora of traditional-ish system logs? should we also blacklist
> journaling filesystems? storing useful information is something that
> lots of programs are expected to do.
>
> I sense a misunderstanding in the purpose of `your-privacy`. afaict,
> `your-privacy` is designed to shun packages that exfiltrate
> information to third parties (internet companies for example), but
> zeitgeist only makes the information it collects locally-available
> (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't use it myself).
>
>> Deleting the package can cause problems for gnome-desktop users
>> though,...
>>
>> ...It is worth noting that this affects all gnome desktops, and ubuntu
>> and it's derivatives.
>
> I don't think so. I'm a GNOME user and I have never been asked to
> install zeitgeist. I think this could be a problem for other
> GNOME-based desktops though. I'm thinking of Elementary and Unity.
>



From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Tue May 23 04:36:42 2017
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 05:36:42 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches & web
 interface for source code broken
In-Reply-To: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <5923BC5A.3020003@gmail.com>

On 23/05/17 02:19, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> With upstream Arch phasing out the 'abs' tool, the file-layout of
> which abslibre.git mimics, I was thinking about changing how we do
> abslibre.git.
>
> Without making any concrete decisions yet: What do you guys think
> about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
> instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
> would be no 'master' branch.
>

As far as I know, they are still recommending people use svntogit for 
large checkouts. I would think it to be wise to reflect the layout of 
this and/or the SVN repository that they intend to switch to, but that's 
just me.

[1] https://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-abs/


Also I hit a problem this morning.

I'm not sure if this is just a problem with the web interface and/or 
related but ...

1) Visit any package on https://www.parabola.nu/packages/
For instance: https://www.parabola.nu/packages/core/i686/coreutils/

2) Click "Source Files"

3) You will notice it redirects you to abslibre.git
For instance: https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/core/coreutils


Result: No source files or PKGBUILDs are available or viewable via the 
web interface any-more,


Josh


From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May 23 05:44:56 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 07:44:56 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Blacklist zeitgeist in your-privacy-blacklist
In-Reply-To: <592391C3.90100@gmail.com>
References: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>
 <1495500799.4201.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <592391C3.90100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170523054456.GA29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 02:34:59AM +0100, Josh Branning wrote:
> To me, the line is drawn when the system starts recording what files you
> open, or have opened, and at what time. I'd prefer it didn't do that.

imo, if the data doesn't leave your system, regardless of what is being
recorded, then this is really a non-issue. And if someone forces access
to your system, enabling them to read this data, then you have other
things than a log of opened files to worry about.

However, if this 'feature' of zeitgeist bothers you, you could do a
couple of things, such as removing write access to the sqlite db, or
truncating it periodically - logrotate might be able to help with that.
Most importantly, you should also file a feature request upstream to add
a 'privacy mode' where history is not recorded, or not kept beyond its
relevance.


That being said, arguing against locally logging data is a slippery
slope, because many applications log more data than they need to **under
normal operation**, but much of this data is useful in troubleshooting
issues that pop up. It is easy for you to decide that for yourself, but
as a community, deciding whether a package logs more data than it should
would invite a lot of heated discussion, and I would argue against
curating such a list.


-A

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May 23 05:52:22 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 07:52:22 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:19:41PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> Without making any concrete decisions yet: What do you guys think
> about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
> instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
> would be no 'master' branch.

I would vote against this change.

branches in git are meant for tracking variations of the same content,
not different content entirely. directories are the right tool for that.

some more tangible points:

  - I imagine having to switch branches every time I need to compare two
    packages could become very tedious very quickly.

  - it might become more difficult to review the list of recent changes
    to all packages - currently a `git log` shows all history, while a
    `git log path/to/package/` shows the changes for a given package

what would be the benefits of the proposed change?

-A


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May 23 07:47:22 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 07:47:22 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [closure-compiler] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170523074722.1073.79868@proton.parabola.nu>

andreas at grapentin.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* closure-compiler 20170409-1.parabola1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/closure-compiler/


The user provided the following additional text:

20170521 is available here:

https://github.com/google/closure-compiler/releases



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue May 23 08:19:42 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 08:19:42 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [cups-filters] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170523081942.1073.91395@proton.parabola.nu>

andreas at grapentin.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* cups-filters 1.13.5-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/cups-filters/
* cups-filters 1.13.5-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/cups-filters/


The user provided the following additional text:

1.14.0 is available here:

https://openprinting.org/download/cups-filters/



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May 23 12:44:58 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:44:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <877f17lp2t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:19:41PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
>> Without making any concrete decisions yet: What do you guys think
>> about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
>> instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
>> would be no 'master' branch.
>
> I would vote against this change.
>
> branches in git are meant for tracking variations of the same content,
> not different content entirely. directories are the right tool for that.
>
> some more tangible points:
>
>   - I imagine having to switch branches every time I need to compare two
>     packages could become very tedious very quickly.
>
>   - it might become more difficult to review the list of recent changes
>     to all packages - currently a `git log` shows all history, while a
>     `git log path/to/package/` shows the changes for a given package
>
> what would be the benefits of the proposed change?

i agree, also the svn dir structure is awful, if they didn't change it,
every package has three directories with basically the same content, but
you have a directory per architecture and then a trunk dir for the
working pkgbuild, and some tools to move things around.  we flattened
this on abslibre.git explicitly so we didn't have to deal with this
structure :P

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May 23 14:33:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:33:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Is it possible to compile multiple packages at the same time
 with libremakepkg?
Message-ID: <6a7e4768-a182-6583-8a40-79f17397a0cc@openmailbox.org>

Hi, as a package maintainer, I was thinking on why libremakepkg can't
compile multiple packages at the same time, because for me, as a
maintainer of some kernels, it would be much more efficient and fast if
I could do that. What I do is to compile with 2 different machines (one
is x86 and the other is ARM). We maintain many kernels, so why couldn't
libremakepkg compile multiple packages simultaneously? That would save a
lot of time, in one day I could have ready like 7 kernels, but actually
with one PC that's only possible in one week (without counting the 3
architectures we support)

I say this particularly about the linux-libre compilation, in my PC it
takes several hours, and in my SBC it's like the double. If there's a
way to do that, I'd be very thankful to know.

Regards.
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May 23 15:56:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:56:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <365670a4-3a06-f205-fe2c-6956b5a80a20@openmailbox.org>

I agree, I think that each branch should have its -testing, -multilib
and -multilib-testing directories too. For example, the abslibre.git
libre branch should have the libre, libre-testing, libre-multilib and
libre-multilib-testing directories. I liked the idea, and we could also
deprecate the ~users repositories in favor of [pcr]

Luke Shumaker:
> Hey guys,
> 
> With upstream Arch phasing out the 'abs' tool, the file-layout of
> which abslibre.git mimics, I was thinking about changing how we do
> abslibre.git.
> 
> Without making any concrete decisions yet: What do you guys think
> about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
> instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
> would be no 'master' branch.
> 

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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May 23 16:10:05 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 11:10:05 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Is it possible to compile multiple packages at the same
 time with libremakepkg?
In-Reply-To: <6a7e4768-a182-6583-8a40-79f17397a0cc@openmailbox.org>
References: <6a7e4768-a182-6583-8a40-79f17397a0cc@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1495555805.1636.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

yes, I can attest that compiling that many kernels every few weeks is
pure madness and bad for your electricity bills :)

do you have the -j MAKEFLAG equal the number of cores in your
/etc/makepkg.conf? if so, I don't think you would gain much from
having many packages compile at the same time, given that all of your
cores are already in use for the longest time. I can even imagine it
resulting in increased total compilation time because of extra amounts
of context switching, cache misses, who knows, don't take my word for
it.

as for ARM, we should investigate using a full cross-toolchain (or a
partial, non-linking cross-compiler on x86 + distcc running on a native
system like ALARM does[^1]) as a way to make the most of faster x86
hardware. there are caveats nonetheless compared to either
libretools+qemu or native libretools on ARM. namely, no support for it
in libretools and a different assortment of failing packages. assuming
there's enough RAM to finish the compilation, native is the best when
it comes to the amount of packages that can be successfully
compiled. the same may be true of a native farm + distcc, but I have
never tried such a thing.

[^1]: https://archlinuxarm.org/wiki/Distcc_Cross-Compiling
     ^ I used to follow this method before moving to qemu (for the
     extra packages that wouldn't compile)

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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May 23 16:15:54 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 11:15:54 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <1495556154.2692.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Luke Shumaker:
> What do you guys think
> about splitting abslibre.it so that each package is on its own branch,
> instead of having all of them side-by-side on the same branch?  There
> would be no 'master' branch.

out of curiosity, what are the perceived advantages?

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943




From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May 23 16:20:00 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:20:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Is it possible to compile multiple packages at the same
 time with libremakepkg?
In-Reply-To: <1495555805.1636.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <6a7e4768-a182-6583-8a40-79f17397a0cc@openmailbox.org>
 <1495555805.1636.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <e383600b-868d-673f-d148-31cab27ec398@openmailbox.org>

Isaac David:
> yes, I can attest that compiling that many kernels every few weeks is
> pure madness and bad for your electricity bills :)
> 
> do you have the -j MAKEFLAG equal the number of cores in your
> /etc/makepkg.conf?

Yes, I do.

$ cat /etc/makepkg.conf | grep MAKEFLAG
#MAKEFLAGS="-j2"

I've two cores :P

> if so, I don't think you would gain much from
> having many packages compile at the same time, given that all of your
> cores are already in use for the longest time. 

But it is possible?

> I can even imagine it
> resulting in increased total compilation time because of extra amounts
> of context switching, cache misses, who knows, don't take my word for
> it.
> 
> as for ARM, we should investigate using a full cross-toolchain (or a
> partial, non-linking cross-compiler on x86 + distcc running on a native
> system like ALARM does[^1]) as a way to make the most of faster x86
> hardware. there are caveats nonetheless compared to either
> libretools+qemu or native libretools on ARM. namely, no support for it
> in libretools and a different assortment of failing packages. assuming
> there's enough RAM to finish the compilation, native is the best when
> it comes to the amount of packages that can be successfully
> compiled. the same may be true of a native farm + distcc, but I have
> never tried such a thing.
> 
> [^1]: https://archlinuxarm.org/wiki/Distcc_Cross-Compiling
>     ^ I used to follow this method before moving to qemu (for the
>     extra packages that wouldn't compile)
> 

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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Tue May 23 16:33:00 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 11:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Is it possible to compile multiple packages at the same
 time with libremakepkg?
In-Reply-To: <e383600b-868d-673f-d148-31cab27ec398@openmailbox.org>
References: <6a7e4768-a182-6583-8a40-79f17397a0cc@openmailbox.org>
 <1495555805.1636.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
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Megver83 wrote:
> Isaac David wrote:
>>  if so, I don't think you would gain much from
>>  having many packages compile at the same time, given that all of 
>> your
>>  cores are already in use for the longest time.
> 
> But it is possible?

I think so, and you don't need a new libretools to achieve it imo.
just create a second chroot with librechroot (use the -n flag to
distinguish them by name), launch separate parallel libremakepkg
instances in each of them (-n flag again), and measure time spent vs
two libremakepkg instances run in series.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943




From hahj87 at gmail.com  Tue May 23 17:35:50 2017
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:35:50 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Blacklist zeitgeist in your-privacy-blacklist
In-Reply-To: <20170523054456.GA29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <59237526.4020406@gmail.com>
 <1495500799.4201.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <592391C3.90100@gmail.com>
 <20170523054456.GA29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <8737bviih5.fsf@riseup.net>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:

> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 02:34:59AM +0100, Josh Branning wrote:
>
> imo, if the data doesn't leave your system, regardless of what is being
> recorded, then this is really a non-issue. And if someone forces access
> to your system, enabling them to read this data, then you have other
> things than a log of opened files to worry about.

+1


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Wed May 24 02:51:23 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 22:51:23 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <877f17lp2t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <877f17lp2t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87o9ujq85w.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 08:44:58 -0400,
fauno wrote:
> i agree, also the svn dir structure is awful,

Well, it's awful in git.  But it actually works really well with svn's
idiosyncratic branching model.

Which is why Arch devs still use svn for their actual use, and their
svntogit is a "read only" slave of it.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Wed May 24 03:04:49 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 23:04:49 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87mva3q7ji.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 01:52:22 -0400,
Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> branches in git are meant for tracking variations of the same content,
> not different content entirely. directories are the right tool for that.

That's... not true.  Branches are "meant" for tracking independent
trees.  If the branch heads don't have a common ancestor, then there
is no implication that they are "tracking variations of the same
content."  Meanwhile, a git "tree" (or as you say, "directory") is for
a set of files that have a relation to eachother and are developed
together.  For the most part, packages are updated independently of
eachother.

Having each package in its own branch is very similar to having each
package in its own separate repository.

> some more tangible points:
> 
>   - I imagine having to switch branches every time I need to compare two
>     packages could become very tedious very quickly.

    git diff packageA package b

>   - it might become more difficult to review the list of recent changes
>     to all packages - currently a `git log` shows all history

    git log --all --date-order

>                                                                while a
>     `git log path/to/package/` shows the changes for a given package

    git log packagebase --

> what would be the benefits of the proposed change?

For one, grabbing packages from AUR without losing history or the
ability to merge.

Oh, and the tedium of mirroring changes between related packages could
be reduced to a simple `git merge`.  Copying changes from `bbswitch`
to `bbswitch-lts` and such would suddenly be less painful.

----

Similar to Dave's new `asp` tool that replaces `abs`, we would have a
tool for managing checkouts of multiple packages.

Another possibility would be having a 'master' branch that includes
each of the package branches as submodules.  But this would require
additional tooling, as the git submodule tooling is awful.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Wed May 24 03:17:11 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 22:17:11 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Mirror changes
In-Reply-To: <1493785470.2494.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <6a6f57ad-3e17-4c8f-872a-a037f27c5b02@openmailbox.org>
 <20170502064225.GC30524@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <07c64490-9dc1-185e-a7b0-0c7f4386bd8d@openmailbox.org>
 <1493785470.2494.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <1495595831.2274.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

> pacman-mirrorlist 20170503-1.parabola1 is out

oops! not until now do I realize I never released it from my staging 
dir.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943



From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Wed May 24 03:30:48 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 23:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Librerelease doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170520130729.GA7470@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <87lgpnq6c7.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 09:07:29 -0400,
Joseph Graham wrote:
>  |  /etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory

Wait, what?  makepkg.conf is edited to look for that file by the
libretools post-install script, and that file is part of libretools.
I believe this message is coming from makepkg inside of the chroot.
So why is the chroot's makepkg.conf that way if libretools isn't
installed there?

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From andreas at grapentin.org  Wed May 24 05:02:54 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:02:54 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <87mva3q7ji.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87mva3q7ji.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <20170524050254.GA11676@parabola-pocket.localdomain>

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:04:49PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > what would be the benefits of the proposed change?
> 
> For one, grabbing packages from AUR without losing history or the
> ability to merge.

you can do that (arguably more cleanly) with git submodules. (I agree
that the submodule api of git is suboptimal)

> Oh, and the tedium of mirroring changes between related packages could
> be reduced to a simple `git merge`.  Copying changes from `bbswitch`
> to `bbswitch-lts` and such would suddenly be less painful.

I agree that this is a good point, although I don't see an obvious point
that would prohibit the same functionality if applied to directories.

After sleeping on it, I have a couple more concerns:

 - what if someone works on separate packages at the same time because
   the build takes a long time? I do this quite often when building
   iceweasel et.al. would I need to hop branches? what about changes?
   stash them? meh.

 - it would become difficult to find certain packages - take for example
   libre/kipi-plugins. it is built in the directory libre/digikam. I can
   easily find that out with a grep over abslibre, but how would I find
   the right branch? The mapping from package to branch is non-obvious.

 - I have a couple of scripts operating on all packages, like checking
   for latest upstream version, making sure all arches are up to date
   with the pkgbuild, etc. I could rewrite these to work on branches
   instead, but that might not work if I have feature branches locally.

 - would every branch be a package? so we couldn't push feature
   branches? this might not be a big issue, but it would attach heavy
   semantic load to git branches that is not necessarily expected and
   could cause issues in the long term. (related to #3)


All that being said, while I agree that there are benefits to the
proposed change, I am still voting for keeping all the information of
abslibre accessible as directory structure. Please **PLEASE** don't hide
information from me on a file system level, unless ultimately necessary.
git is a great tool, but not a good replacement for a file system.

And if you plan on introducing a tool that pulls separate packages from
the repository, that makes working on the file system level possible
again, then please think carefully whether the benefits of the changes
you have in mind warrant the creation of this tool, the broken workflows
of your collaborators, the learning curve introduced, and the numerous
issues that I expect will pop up with this in the future. Maybe the time
invested here would be more useful elsewhere :)


-A


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 24 06:42:31 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 06:42:31 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170524064231.1073.34379@proton.parabola.nu>

jm.100best at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

(4.11.2)



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed May 24 19:07:34 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:07:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <20170524050254.GA11676@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87mva3q7ji.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170524050254.GA11676@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87k256dqfd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:
>  - it would become difficult to find certain packages - take for example
>    libre/kipi-plugins. it is built in the directory libre/digikam. I can
>    easily find that out with a grep over abslibre, but how would I find
>    the right branch? The mapping from package to branch is non-obvious.

this isn't obvious for any tool, that's why `dagpkg` relies on
`toru-path` to maintain a map of pkgname:path so it doesn't have to
guess where's a pkgbuild (or you don't have to remember it).

i stress this point because we're running in circles with problems we've
solved five years ago (or more!)

>  - I have a couple of scripts operating on all packages, like checking
>    for latest upstream version, making sure all arches are up to date
>    with the pkgbuild, etc. I could rewrite these to work on branches
>    instead, but that might not work if I have feature branches locally.

and share them!

> And if you plan on introducing a tool that pulls separate packages from
> the repository, that makes working on the file system level possible
> again, then please think carefully whether the benefits of the changes
> you have in mind warrant the creation of this tool, the broken workflows
> of your collaborators, the learning curve introduced, and the numerous
> issues that I expect will pop up with this in the future. Maybe the time
> invested here would be more useful elsewhere :)

+1

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 25 00:30:35 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:30:35 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20170524064231.1073.34379@proton.parabola.nu>
References: <20170524064231.1073.34379@proton.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <08a06182-7a19-b400-3ddd-a637be317e90@openmailbox.org>

I'll do a masive update for most kernels during the weekend, and move
linux-libre-firmware 4.11 to [libre]

El 24/05/17 a las 02:42, Parabola Website Notification escribi?:
> jm.100best at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> * linux-libre 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
> * linux-libre 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
> * linux-libre-docs 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
> * linux-libre-docs 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
> * linux-libre-headers 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
> * linux-libre-headers 4.10.16_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> (4.11.2)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From adfeno at openmailbox.org  Thu May 25 14:08:26 2017
From: adfeno at openmailbox.org (Adonay Felipe Nogueira)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:08:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina
In-Reply-To: <87wp9e9ega.fsf@openmailbox.org> (Adonay Felipe Nogueira's
 message of "Thu, 18 May 2017 16:01:41 -0300")
References: <87bmqt6htc.fsf@openmailbox.org>
 <d9f8d5bb-be63-5a21-f003-ea8d6123cc26@openmailbox.org>
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Message-ID: <87zie1hvvp.fsf@openmailbox.org>

I'll attend the talk in June 2nd, in Curitiba.

I hope to see some of you there! :)


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Thu May 25 20:17:51 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 16:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] [libretools] To --armor or --no-armor package
 signatures?
Message-ID: <87d1awr8r4.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

Hi,

I was cleaning up some code in libretools, and I noticed that
librerelease passes --armor to GPG when creating package signatures.
This is at odds with `makepkg --sign` passing --no-armor to GPG.

Without actually checking, I'm pretty sure that we decided to stick
--armor in librerelease back when makpkg didn't specify, and just left
it up to the user's `~/.gnupg/gpg.conf`.

librefetch also generates --no-armor'ed signatures (as it is based on
more recent makepkg).

If no one has a reason to prefer that librerelease keep generating
ASCII-armored signatures, the next release of libretools will have it
mimic what makepkg does.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Thu May 25 21:30:36 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:30:36 -0700
Subject: [Dev] It appears there is a new Libre distro on the block
Message-ID: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>

In case anyone hasn't seen the new Parabola fork,
https://www.hyperbola.info/

Aside from the name similarity, it claims most of Parabola's members are staff 
using hyperbola.info email addresses.
https://www.hyperbola.info/people/hackers/

I'm not making any judgements, it just saddens me to see divided efforts.


-jc
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Thu May 25 22:08:11 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:08:11 -0400
Subject: [Dev] It appears there is a new Libre distro on the block
In-Reply-To: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>
References: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>
Message-ID: <87bmqgr3n8.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Thu, 25 May 2017 17:30:36 -0400,
jc_gargma wrote:
> In case anyone hasn't seen the new Parabola fork,
> https://www.hyperbola.info/
> 
> Aside from the name similarity, it claims most of Parabola's members are staff 
> using hyperbola.info email addresses.
> https://www.hyperbola.info/people/hackers/

Most of the people listed there are are former Parabola developers who
left the project last month after some internal drama.  The only
overlap with current Parabola developers I see are megver83,
gaming4jc, and heckyel.

> I'm not making any judgements, it just saddens me to see divided efforts.

Hyperbola seems to be trying to be an "LTS" Parabola, which is
certianly a thing that would be useful.  Past attempts to deliver this
for Arch-derivatives typically die out due to lack of dedication; were
anyone but Andr? heading it up, I would suspect the same fate for it.
(IIRC, smv once tried to start such a derivative of Parabola, before
realizing that he didn't have enough time for either).

OTOH, it seems it be putting an emphasis on security.  TBF, I'm not
sure they have a team that I would trust to evaluate security patches.

Anyway, as far as they are trying to provide an LTS derivative of
Parabola, I wish them the best.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Thu May 25 22:19:31 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:19:31 -0400
Subject: [Dev] It appears there is a new Libre distro on the block
In-Reply-To: <87bmqgr3n8.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>
 <87bmqgr3n8.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <6c368759-2ead-cbde-75a0-c328fba22b49@openmailbox.org>

El 25/05/17 a las 18:08, Luke Shumaker escribi?:
> On Thu, 25 May 2017 17:30:36 -0400,
> jc_gargma wrote:
>> In case anyone hasn't seen the new Parabola fork,
>> https://www.hyperbola.info/
>>
>> Aside from the name similarity, it claims most of Parabola's members are staff 
>> using hyperbola.info email addresses.
>> https://www.hyperbola.info/people/hackers/
> 
> Most of the people listed there are are former Parabola developers who
> left the project last month after some internal drama.  The only
> overlap with current Parabola developers I see are megver83,
> gaming4jc, and heckyel.
> 
>> I'm not making any judgements, it just saddens me to see divided efforts.
> 
> Hyperbola seems to be trying to be an "LTS" Parabola, which is
> certianly a thing that would be useful.  Past attempts to deliver this
> for Arch-derivatives typically die out due to lack of dedication; were
> anyone but Andr? heading it up, I would suspect the same fate for it.
> (IIRC, smv once tried to start such a derivative of Parabola, before
> realizing that he didn't have enough time for either).

After Andr? left Parabola, he wanted to make Hyperbola and invited some
of the actual Parabola hackers. Some of them accepted, but others
didn't. Of course that anyone can join anyways (without invitations). I
recently joined, but I haven't done any work yet.

> 
> OTOH, it seems it be putting an emphasis on security.  TBF, I'm not
> sure they have a team that I would trust to evaluate security patches.

Security patches come from Debian Sid, so the trust of them depends on
your trust in Debian's security patches.

> 
> Anyway, as far as they are trying to provide an LTS derivative of
> Parabola, I wish them the best.

Thanks! I hope we got an ISO soon.

> 

-- 
GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78

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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Thu May 25 23:13:20 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 19:13:20 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Splitting abslibre.git into branches
In-Reply-To: <87k256dqfd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87efvgmksy.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170523055222.GB29768@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87mva3q7ji.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <20170524050254.GA11676@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
 <87k256dqfd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <877f14r0mn.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:07:34 -0400,
fauno wrote:
> Andreas Grapentin <andreas at grapentin.org> writes:
> >  - it would become difficult to find certain packages - take for example
> >    libre/kipi-plugins. it is built in the directory libre/digikam. I can
> >    easily find that out with a grep over abslibre, but how would I find
> >    the right branch? The mapping from package to branch is non-obvious.
> 
> this isn't obvious for any tool, that's why `dagpkg` relies on
> `toru-path` to maintain a map of pkgname:path so it doesn't have to
> guess where's a pkgbuild (or you don't have to remember it).

So I was looking at the implementation of asp, and I thought that its
method of mapping pkgname->path was kind of funny:

    curl "https://www.archlinux.org/packages/search/json/?q=${pkgname}"

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri May 26 01:28:58 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 22:28:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] [libretools] To --armor or --no-armor package
 signatures?
In-Reply-To: <87d1awr8r4.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
References: <87d1awr8r4.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
Message-ID: <87bmqge78l.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at lukeshu.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I was cleaning up some code in libretools, and I noticed that
> librerelease passes --armor to GPG when creating package signatures.
> This is at odds with `makepkg --sign` passing --no-armor to GPG.

mmm which ones are lighter in bytes?  i think armored signatures are
only useful for email transport?

-- 
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From jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net  Fri May 26 01:54:59 2017
From: jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net (jc_gargma)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:54:59 -0700
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] [libretools] To --armor or --no-armor package
 signatures?
In-Reply-To: <87bmqge78l.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87d1awr8r4.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <87bmqge78l.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <19442671.Af9xEypDDS@iserlohn-fortress.net>

> > Hi,
> > 
> > I was cleaning up some code in libretools, and I noticed that
> > librerelease passes --armor to GPG when creating package signatures.
> > This is at odds with `makepkg --sign` passing --no-armor to GPG.
> 
> mmm which ones are lighter in bytes?  i think armored signatures are
> only useful for email transport?
Armored is also useful for posting on forums and other places where attaching 
of raw files is limited.

In regards to bytes, unarmored signatures are roughly 33% smaller.


-jc
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May 26 03:48:36 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 03:48:36 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kdenetwork-kopete] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170526034836.1073.45918@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* kdenetwork-kopete 16.12.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/kdenetwork-kopete/
* kdenetwork-kopete 17.04.0-3.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/kdenetwork-kopete/
* kdenetwork-kopete 17.04.0-3.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/kdenetwork-kopete/


The user provided the following additional text:

Current release is 17.04.1



From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May 26 03:50:13 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 03:50:13 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-hardened] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170526035013.1073.74638@proton.parabola.nu>

jc_gargma at iserlohn-fortress.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-hardened 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-hardened/
* linux-libre-hardened 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-hardened/
* linux-libre-hardened-docs 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-hardened-docs/
* linux-libre-hardened-docs 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-hardened-docs/
* linux-libre-hardened-headers 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-hardened-headers/
* linux-libre-hardened-headers 4.10.17_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-hardened-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

The latest hardened patch is 4.11.2.c
https://github.com/thestinger/linux-hardened/releases/tag/4.11.2.c



From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Fri May 26 04:27:02 2017
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 23:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] [libretools] To --armor or --no-armor package
 signatures?
In-Reply-To: <19442671.Af9xEypDDS@iserlohn-fortress.net>
References: <87d1awr8r4.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>
 <87bmqge78l.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <19442671.Af9xEypDDS@iserlohn-fortress.net>
Message-ID: <1495772823.1429.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

jc_gargma wrote :
> Armored is also useful for posting on forums and other places where 
> attaching
> of raw files is limited.

i think outside gpg's use case specifying an extra plaintext
representation would often be overkill.

you can always rely on something like base64 or ascii85 to code
binaries and printable text back and forth. hash your binary before
and after a base64 roundtrip and call it a day.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943



From quiliro at riseup.net  Fri May 26 07:26:13 2017
From: quiliro at riseup.net (Quiliro)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 02:26:13 -0500
Subject: [Dev] It appears there is a new Libre distro on the block
In-Reply-To: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>
References: <1521945.APyWxUXI4j@iserlohn-fortress.net>
Message-ID: <20170526022613.5f2f87c1@riseup.net>


It is good to have Hyperbola because it allows the division not to be a real division but a separate working on the same project. I perceive all libre distros as sisters. But Parabola and Hyperbola are very close sisters. I feel they are all working on their own spaces towards the same goals.

I hope some day both projects merge. But in the mean time I cheer equally.


-- 
Example of the problems in top posting:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

A: No.
Q: Should I leave quotations after my reply?

Saluton,
Quiliro
0987631031
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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sat May 27 10:01:58 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:01:58 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Need torrent trackers for pacman2pacman
Message-ID: <20170527100158.GB18089@avalon-parabola.home>

Hey guys.

I've been overhauling pacman2pacman and I've noticed we only have 1
tracker for the torrents.

If anyone has any trackers please suggest, or add them to:
https://git.parabola.nu/packages/dbscripts.git/diff/make_individual_torrent?id=197a077ba251f9ae4f136eb32b7a112a22f268eb

Thankyou

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Sat May 27 13:26:44 2017
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 09:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Need torrent trackers for pacman2pacman
In-Reply-To: <20170527100158.GB18089@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170527100158.GB18089@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <c3bb7636-f11f-40fd-c8d8-550bd9f6ce6c@openmailbox.org>

On 05/27/2017 06:01 AM, Joseph Graham wrote:
> Hey guys.
>
> I've been overhauling pacman2pacman and I've noticed we only have 1
> tracker for the torrents.
>
> If anyone has any trackers please suggest, or add them to:
> https://git.parabola.nu/packages/dbscripts.git/diff/make_individual_torrent?id=197a077ba251f9ae4f136eb32b7a112a22f268eb
>
> Thankyou
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev


Perhaps these can be of help?

https://github.com/ngosang/trackerslist

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat May 27 17:05:43 2017
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 17:05:43 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [hplip] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20170527170543.1073.93728@proton.parabola.nu>

jdoe at example.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* hplip 3.16.11-2.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/hplip/
* hplip 3.16.11-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/hplip/
* hplip 3.16.11-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/hplip/


The user provided the following additional text:

The latest version on Arch is 3.17.4.



From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sat May 27 20:45:14 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 21:45:14 +0100
Subject: [Dev] how to update a git package?
Message-ID: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>

I tried to update dbscripts but the new package still contains the old
data. What did I do wrong? Here is the changes I made to the PKGBUILD:
https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=2a45acc36fa62614f5df23291f8c0cb2eddf0b05

-- 
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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Sat May 27 21:02:17 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 17:02:17 -0400
Subject: [Dev] how to update a git package?
In-Reply-To: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <40ad1d54-bb15-7f45-9251-4292f477a366@openmailbox.org>

your changes were successfully applied in git
https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/dbscripts/PKGBUILD

El 27/05/17 a las 16:45, Joseph Graham escribi?:
> I tried to update dbscripts but the new package still contains the old
> data. What did I do wrong? Here is the changes I made to the PKGBUILD:
> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=2a45acc36fa62614f5df23291f8c0cb2eddf0b05
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

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GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78

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From mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com  Sun May 28 01:30:01 2017
From: mr.j.spam.me at gmail.com (Bill Auger)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 21:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Need torrent trackers for pacman2pacman
In-Reply-To: <c3bb7636-f11f-40fd-c8d8-550bd9f6ce6c@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170527100158.GB18089@avalon-parabola.home>
 <c3bb7636-f11f-40fd-c8d8-550bd9f6ce6c@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <CAD3PP06ABykhPS0bJ+XfOSUNy6tcYEUmyYwJnHzuF3Hhw-zjnA@mail.gmail.com>

look at https://openbittorrent.com/ - those are the one the latest ISO is using


From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 10:45:17 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:45:17 +0100
Subject: [Dev] how to update a git package?
In-Reply-To: <40ad1d54-bb15-7f45-9251-4292f477a366@openmailbox.org>
References: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>
 <40ad1d54-bb15-7f45-9251-4292f477a366@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170528104517.GA3847@avalon-parabola.home>

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 05:02:17PM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
> your changes were successfully applied in git
> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/dbscripts/PKGBUILD

But why does this PKGBUILD build an old version? 

-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 12:50:55 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:50:55 +0100
Subject: [Dev] libretools hates me
Message-ID: <20170528125055.GA11976@avalon-parabola.home>

libretools has always hated me but it's getting worse every. Look at this:

$ sudo libremakepkg
[sudo] password for joseph:
==> Initializing the chroot...
 |  sed: cannot rename /var/lib/archbuild/default/joseph/etc/sedK4dWxr: Operation not permitted
==> Starting pre-build activities...
 |  ==> Downloading blacklist of proprietary software packages...done
 |    -> Inspecting package pkgname=pacman2pacman (1.5.7-1)
==> Downloading sources...
 |  ==> Making package: pacman2pacman 1.5.7-1 (Sun 28 May 13:44:39 BST 2017)
 |  ==> Retrieving sources...
 |    -> Downloading pacman2pacman-1.5.7.tar.gz...
 |    % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
 |                                   Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
 |  100  133k  100  133k    0     0   737k      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--  738k
 |  ==> Validating source files with md5sums...
 |      pacman2pacman-1.5.7.tar.gz ... Passed
==> Starting to build the package...
sed: cannot rename /var/lib/archbuild/default/joseph/etc/sed0Wk3hT: Operation not permitted
==> Copying log and package files out of the chroot...
$ ls
pacman2pacman-1.5.7.tar.gz  pacman2pacman.install  PKGBUILD
$

neither of those files it complains about even exist.

-- 
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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 12:59:28 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:59:28 +0100
Subject: [Dev] libretools hates me
In-Reply-To: <20170528125055.GA11976@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170528125055.GA11976@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <20170528125928.GB11976@avalon-parabola.home>

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joseph Graham wrote:
> libretools has always hated me but it's getting worse every. Look at this:
> 
>  |  sed: cannot rename /var/lib/archbuild/default/joseph/etc/sedK4dWxr: Operation not permitted
> sed: cannot rename /var/lib/archbuild/default/joseph/etc/sed0Wk3hT: Operation not permitted

OK I found out why, it's because I followed the advice on the wiki and
set chattr +i on /etc/pacman.conf and /etc/makepkg.conf inside the
chroot to stop an error I was having before:

/etc/makepkg.conf: line 148: /etc/libretools.d/librefetch-makepkg.conf: No such file or directory

does anyone know how to fix the librefetch error without making the
Operation not permitted error?

Also does anyone know why there are two chroots, one called root, and
one called joseph?

> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev


-- 
Joseph Graham, techno-philosopher and Free Software advocate. 

I have a blog: http://www.naughtycomputer.uk/
I write software: https://www.suckmore.uk/
I run a web forum: https://www.freesoftwareuk.org.uk/
And a platform for Free Software success stories: http://www.freedcomputer.net/


From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 13:51:09 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 14:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Dev] librerelease more errors
Message-ID: <20170528135109.GC11976@avalon-parabola.home>

$ librerelease
Configure 'GPGKEY' in one of:
  -> /etc/makepkg.conf
  -> /home/joseph/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf
==> Running HOOKPRERELEASE...
    ssh -fN repo at repo.parabola.nu
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-a
ny.pkg.tar.xz.sig.
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/sources/parabola/pacman2pac
man-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig.
==> 160K to upload
==> Uploading packages...
building file list ...
7 files to consider
pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
          6.76K 100%    0.00kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#1, to-chk=5/7)
pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig
            566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2, to-chk=4/7)
sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz
        145.10K 100%   34.60MB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#3, to-chk=1/7)
sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig
            566 100%   92.12kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#4, to-chk=0/7)
==> Removing files from local staging directory
removed 'pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz'
removed 'pcr/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz'
==> Running db-update on repos
==> Updating [pcr]...
  -> pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (i686)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman && xbs release-server pcr i686
  -> pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (x86_64)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman && xbs release-server pcr x86_64
  -> pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (armv7h)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/pcr/pacman2pacman && xbs release-server pcr armv7h
'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz' -> '/srv/repo/main/sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz'
'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig' -> '/srv/repo/main/sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/pacman2pacman-1.5.8-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
==> Running HOOKPOSTRELEASE...
    sudo librechroot clean-repo
$

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Sun May 28 15:52:08 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 17:52:08 +0200
Subject: [Dev] libretools hates me
In-Reply-To: <20170528125928.GB11976@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170528125055.GA11976@avalon-parabola.home>
 <20170528125928.GB11976@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <20170528155208.GA11204@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 01:59:28PM +0100, Joseph Graham wrote:
> Also does anyone know why there are two chroots, one called root, and
> one called joseph?

fwiw, there are two chroots because you need them. the root/ chroot is a
pristine version, and the <username>/ one is the one used to build
packages, and is discardable.

-A

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 21:47:01 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 22:47:01 +0100
Subject: [Dev] librerelease more errors
In-Reply-To: <20170528135109.GC11976@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170528135109.GC11976@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <20170528214701.GA4698@avalon-parabola.home>

some more errors

$ librerelease
Configure 'GPGKEY' in one of:
  -> /etc/makepkg.conf
  -> /home/joseph/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf
==> Running HOOKPRERELEASE...
    ssh -fN repo at repo.parabola.nu
Enter passphrase for key '/home/joseph/.ssh/id_rsa':
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/libre/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig.
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig.
==> Signing package...
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: using "4ED34596" as default secret key for signing
  -> Created signature file /home/joseph/packages/staging/other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig.
==> 184K to upload
==> Uploading packages...
building file list ...
11 files to consider
libre/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
         57.74K 100%   23.82MB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#1, to-chk=9/11)
libre/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig
            566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#2, to-chk=8/11)
other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz
         55.78K 100%   53.19MB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#3, to-chk=5/11)
other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig
            566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#4, to-chk=4/11)
sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz
         57.24K 100%   54.59MB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#5, to-chk=1/11)
sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig
            566 100%  552.73kB/s    0:00:00 (xfr#6, to-chk=0/11)
==> Removing files from local staging directory
removed 'libre/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz.sig'
removed 'libre/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz'
removed 'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz'
removed 'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz'
removed 'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig'
==> Running db-update on repos
==> Updating [libre]...
  -> dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (i686)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts && xbs release-server libre i686
  -> dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (x86_64)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts && xbs release-server libre x86_64
  -> dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (armv7h)
/usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts: No such file or directory
==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts && xbs release-server libre armv7h
'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz' -> '/srv/repo/main/other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz'
removed 'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz'
'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig' -> '/srv/repo/main/other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'other/dbscripts/dbscripts-20170528.1.tar.gz.sig'
'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig' -> '/srv/repo/main/sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
removed 'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz.sig'
'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz' -> '/srv/repo/main/sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz'
removed 'sources/parabola/dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.src.tar.gz'
==> Running HOOKPOSTRELEASE...
    sudo librechroot clean-repo
$

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Sun May 28 21:52:15 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 22:52:15 +0100
Subject: [Dev] I deleted 144,000 files on the server
Message-ID: <20170528215215.GB4698@avalon-parabola.home>

I added code to the make_repo_torrents script to delete old torrents.

If it uses to much resources we can split it into a seperate cron job
that runs less frequently.

Anyway it deleted 144,000 torrents, some going back to 2014, so it
saves some inodes.

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Mon May 29 04:16:50 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 06:16:50 +0200
Subject: [Dev] librerelease more errors
In-Reply-To: <20170528214701.GA4698@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170528135109.GC11976@avalon-parabola.home>
 <20170528214701.GA4698@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <20170529041650.GA23049@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:47:01PM +0100, Joseph Graham wrote:
> Configure 'GPGKEY' in one of:
>   -> /etc/makepkg.conf
>   -> /home/joseph/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf

you should set GPGKEY in /etc/makepkg.conf to the key you want to use
for signing packages. in your case that would probably be

  #-- Specify a key to use for package signing
  GPGKEY="4ED34596"

while you're at it, make sure that PACKAGER is set correctly.

> gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device

I get these too since a recent update. they seem harmless enough. might
be gpg is looking for a smartcard device that doesn't exist.

> ==> Updating [libre]...
>   -> dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (i686)
> /usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts: No such file or directory
> ==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts && xbs release-server libre i686

I get these too, I've been told (by Megver, iirc) that they are
harmless. At least they don't abort the release process. still annoying
though.

-A

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From joseph at xylon.me.uk  Mon May 29 09:24:05 2017
From: joseph at xylon.me.uk (Joseph Graham)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 10:24:05 +0100
Subject: [Dev] librerelease more errors
In-Reply-To: <20170529041650.GA23049@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170528135109.GC11976@avalon-parabola.home>
 <20170528214701.GA4698@avalon-parabola.home>
 <20170529041650.GA23049@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170529092405.GB3497@avalon-parabola.home>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 06:16:50AM +0200, Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> 
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:47:01PM +0100, Joseph Graham wrote:
> > Configure 'GPGKEY' in one of:
> >   -> /etc/makepkg.conf
> >   -> /home/joseph/.config/pacman/makepkg.conf
> 
> you should set GPGKEY in /etc/makepkg.conf to the key you want to use
> for signing packages. in your case that would probably be
> 
>   #-- Specify a key to use for package signing
>   GPGKEY="4ED34596"
> 
> while you're at it, make sure that PACKAGER is set correctly.
> 
> > gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
> 
> I get these too since a recent update. they seem harmless enough. might
> be gpg is looking for a smartcard device that doesn't exist.
> 
> > ==> Updating [libre]...
> >   -> dbscripts-20170528.1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz (i686)
> > /usr/bin/db-update: line 98: cd: staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts: No such file or directory
> > ==> ERROR: cd staging/joseph/staging//abslibre/any/libre/dbscripts && xbs release-server libre i686
> 
> I get these too, I've been told (by Megver, iirc) that they are
> harmless. At least they don't abort the release process. still annoying
> though.
> 
Thankyou!

> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May 30 03:38:56 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 05:38:56 +0200
Subject: [Dev] trouble pushing to parabolaiso.git
Message-ID: <20170530033855.GA22442@parabola-pocket.localdomain>


when I try to push changes to parabolaiso.git, it fails:

> $ git push -v
> Pushing to git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git
> Looking up git.parabola.nu ... done.
> Connecting to git.parabola.nu (port 9418) ... 93.95.226.249 done.
> fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /packages/parabolaiso.git

am I using the wrong remote?

> $ git remote -v
> origin	git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git (fetch)
> origin	git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git (push)

or am I just missing permissions?

Thanks,
-A

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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May 30 15:55:49 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
In-Reply-To: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>

Hi, as you may know, in November Arch drops i686 support, and I was
thinking about doing the same. Is not that I'm against of maintaining
it, because if that's what the community wishes, I have no problem
about. As we know, there are plenty of distros that are still available
for i686 (free ones and non-free ones), and as x64 PCs are much more
than 32-bits ones (we could do a survey maybe?) I start to understand
the reason of dropping the support for this architecture.

so, what do you think?

Cheers
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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Tue May 30 16:05:07 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 12:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Dev] how to update a git package?
In-Reply-To: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>
References: <20170527204514.GB2127@avalon-parabola.home>
Message-ID: <87vaoi1gb0.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Sat, 27 May 2017 16:45:14 -0400,
Joseph Graham wrote:
> I tried to update dbscripts but the new package still contains the old
> data. What did I do wrong? Here is the changes I made to the PKGBUILD:
> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=2a45acc36fa62614f5df23291f8c0cb2eddf0b05

Update the _gitver variable, it tells the source=() URL which commit
to check out.

-- 
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~ Luke Shumaker


From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Tue May 30 16:08:32 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 12:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Dev] trouble pushing to parabolaiso.git
In-Reply-To: <20170530033855.GA22442@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <20170530033855.GA22442@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <87tw421g5b.wl-lukeshu@lukeshu.com>

On Mon, 29 May 2017 23:38:56 -0400,
Andreas Grapentin wrote:
> when I try to push changes to parabolaiso.git, it fails:
> 
> > $ git push -v
> > Pushing to git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git
> > Looking up git.parabola.nu ... done.
> > Connecting to git.parabola.nu (port 9418) ... 93.95.226.249 done.
> > fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /packages/parabolaiso.git
> 
> am I using the wrong remote?
> 
> > $ git remote -v
> > origin	git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git (fetch)
> > origin	git://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git (push)
> 
> or am I just missing permissions?

Git https:// and git:// URLs are read-only, you need to configure
origin.pushUrl to use the ssh:// URL.

-- 
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~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue May 30 16:23:53 2017
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 13:23:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
In-Reply-To: <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
 <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87vaoi48km.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Megver83 <megver83 at openmailbox.org> writes:

> Hi, as you may know, in November Arch drops i686 support, and I was
> thinking about doing the same. Is not that I'm against of maintaining
> it, because if that's what the community wishes, I have no problem
> about. As we know, there are plenty of distros that are still available
> for i686 (free ones and non-free ones), and as x64 PCs are much more
> than 32-bits ones (we could do a survey maybe?) I start to understand
> the reason of dropping the support for this architecture.
>
> so, what do you think?

maybe we could check repo logs to see how many downloads i686 packages
have?  we have mirrors though, so it may not be useful data...

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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May 30 16:33:38 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:33:38 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
In-Reply-To: <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
 <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20170530163338.GA19406@parabola-pocket.localdomain>

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:55:49AM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
> Hi, as you may know, in November Arch drops i686 support, and I was
> thinking about doing the same. Is not that I'm against of maintaining
> it, because if that's what the community wishes, I have no problem
> about. As we know, there are plenty of distros that are still available
> for i686 (free ones and non-free ones), and as x64 PCs are much more
> than 32-bits ones (we could do a survey maybe?) I start to understand
> the reason of dropping the support for this architecture.
> 
> so, what do you think?

I am partial about this. On the one hand, I know a lot of people running
around with 32 bit laptops - 10 years old or more - just because they
still *work*. And I'd hate excluding these people from the project
without providing them a proper way out. Basically, we'd make working
hardware obsolete, which is not a good thing.
But I can also understand it's a tough cookie to build and maintain the
entire arch package tree independently for i686. I don't even know
whether we have the computing power necessary for this.

Maybe we can have a middle way - we could officially support parabola as
a binary distribution for armv7h/i686, but provide cookbooks for people
to create ports for their own architectures, and maybe collect community
patches for these architectures, that would take the burden of
maintenance from our shoulders.

what are the hyperbola guys doing about this? I assume since they are an
lts distribution, they will maintain i686 support?

-A


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From megver83 at openmailbox.org  Tue May 30 17:43:06 2017
From: megver83 at openmailbox.org (Megver83)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 13:43:06 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
In-Reply-To: <20170530163338.GA19406@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
 <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
 <20170530163338.GA19406@parabola-pocket.localdomain>
Message-ID: <8d4b090c-ad43-9339-7f91-861da3520074@openmailbox.org>

El 30/05/17 a las 12:33, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:55:49AM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
>> Hi, as you may know, in November Arch drops i686 support, and I was
>> thinking about doing the same. Is not that I'm against of maintaining
>> it, because if that's what the community wishes, I have no problem
>> about. As we know, there are plenty of distros that are still available
>> for i686 (free ones and non-free ones), and as x64 PCs are much more
>> than 32-bits ones (we could do a survey maybe?) I start to understand
>> the reason of dropping the support for this architecture.
>>
>> so, what do you think?
> 
> I am partial about this. On the one hand, I know a lot of people running
> around with 32 bit laptops - 10 years old or more - just because they
> still *work*. And I'd hate excluding these people from the project
> without providing them a proper way out. Basically, we'd make working
> hardware obsolete, which is not a good thing.

That's right, but this is why I say that there are many of other distros
which are still for i686, although it's true we would make working
hardware obsolete, but consider that we could use our efforts to give
ARM a better maintenance.

Note also that a lot of people run 32-bits OSes but they have 64-bits
PCs, I've a 10 years old laptop which can run 64-bits, but it already
died :(

> But I can also understand it's a tough cookie to build and maintain the
> entire arch package tree independently for i686. I don't even know
> whether we have the computing power necessary for this.

That's right, because although we have an autobuilder, IDK how powerful
are servers to do the same work of ALARM (in the sense of porting
packages to other architectures like crazy)

> 
> Maybe we can have a middle way - we could officially support parabola as
> a binary distribution for armv7h/i686, but provide cookbooks for people
> to create ports for their own architectures, and maybe collect community
> patches for these architectures, that would take the burden of
> maintenance from our shoulders.

hummm, you gave me an idea, but it's a little complicated, what if we
make a fork of pacman which compiles i686 packages? We could still
support i686, even as binaries *but* only in the case of Parabola's
repositories, like [libre], [pcr], [kernels], [nonprism], etc. and
Arch's packages could be automatically compiled, like the ones in
[core], [extra], and [community] by a script or sth. (that's the idea of
forking pacman, the script should also modify the arch=() array).

> 
> what are the hyperbola guys doing about this? I assume since they are an
> lts distribution, they will maintain i686 support?

Good question, I'm Cc'ing them

> 
> -A
> 
> 
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From andreas at grapentin.org  Tue May 30 17:50:09 2017
From: andreas at grapentin.org (Andreas Grapentin)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 19:50:09 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 01:43:06PM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
> El 30/05/17 a las 12:33, Andreas Grapentin escribi?:
> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:55:49AM -0400, Megver83 wrote:
> > Maybe we can have a middle way - we could officially support parabola as
> > a binary distribution for armv7h/i686, but provide cookbooks for people
> > to create ports for their own architectures, and maybe collect community
> > patches for these architectures, that would take the burden of
> > maintenance from our shoulders.

I brainfarted here - this was supposed to read 'armv7h/x86_64' of course.

-A


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From lukeshu at lukeshu.com  Wed May 31 00:51:50 2017
From: lukeshu at lukeshu.com (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:51:50 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 11:55:49 -0400,
Megver83 wrote:
> Hi, as you may know, in November Arch drops i686 support, and I was
> thinking about doing the same. Is not that I'm against of maintaining
> it, because if that's what the community wishes, I have no problem
> about. As we know, there are plenty of distros that are still available
> for i686 (free ones and non-free ones), and as x64 PCs are much more
> than 32-bits ones (we could do a survey maybe?) I start to understand
> the reason of dropping the support for this architecture.
> 
> so, what do you think?

Previous discussion: https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-January/004735.html

Summary:
	
 - several people voiced that they have an i686 computer that they'd
   like to keep using:
     hackers: (3) emulatorman, gaming4jc, and myself
     users: (1) Nathan Edson
   Of these we've lost emulatorman as a hacker since then.

 - Because of libreboot, i686 is over-represented in Free-Software
   circles compared to the general population; a user interested in
   Parabola is more likely to have an i686 computer than a user
   interested in Arch. (By my count, 17%-22% of the libreboot
   compatibility list is i686, depending on if you want to count the
   T60, which can be cheaply upgraded to x86_64).

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Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Wed May 31 01:37:41 2017
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 02:37:41 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
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References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
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Message-ID: <592E1E65.1010603@gmail.com>

I still have an x60, and three other really old x86 pcs, two of which 
run parabola, so keeping the i686 support is in my interests as a user.

With some discussion about also the future of arm support (I have two 
A10 olinuxinos), I am somewhat worried that virtually all my devices 
will no longer be supported by this great distro in future,

Josh


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Wed May 31 01:54:50 2017
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 02:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Deprecation of i686
In-Reply-To: <592E1E65.1010603@gmail.com>
References: <c4870baa-19d1-0834-ec0f-95305ed15018@parabola.nu>
 <752b4a3d-9d37-a70d-1335-1f084593fd75@openmailbox.org>
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Message-ID: <592E226A.7030503@gmail.com>

On 31/05/17 02:37, Josh Branning wrote:
> I still have an x60, and three other really old x86 pcs, two of which
> run parabola, so keeping the i686 support is in my interests as a user.
>
> With some discussion about also the future of arm support (I have two
> A10 olinuxinos), I am somewhat worried that virtually all my devices
> will no longer be supported by this great distro in future,
>
> Josh

FWIW:

http://archlinux32.org/


Josh.