[Dev] Q1: Do you have a consensus on the budget for the Build Server?

[Stig Roar]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:07:13PM +0300, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 14.04.2017 22:58, Josh Branning wrote:
> >>> Answer to Q1:
> >>> Budget cost for build server to Ceata and community = $0.00
> >>
> >> You have asked for partial funding from the Parabola fund handled by
> >> Ceata, although you have disregarded Parabola Social Contract,
> >> Ceata-Parabola Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement and Parabola's Delegate.
> >>
> >> And please note that if you make a personal fully-funded donation, you
> >> still need the approval of the community to accept the donation.
> >> Otherwise, it's just a donation to Emulatorman and can't be mentioned on
> >> the Donations wiki page of the Parabola community.
> > 
> > Really, it's up to GC4J to choose to what entity the build server will
> > be donated to, if it is to be donated.
> 
> He meant it for Parabola and asked for partial funding from the Parabola
> fund, without getting the approval from the community for the spending.
> Are you really missing the point here?
> 
> We wouldn't be discussing this for two weeks now if GC4J wanted to make
> a full donation to Emulatorman to help him in his work.
> 
> Tiberiu

This whole affair is just sad. Even though I agree with the main
principles of consensus, open discussion and other things mentioned, I
think this somewhat mounts to rigidity, hair-splitting and some kind of
a stuggle for power. Would it be so hard to support one of our own even
if some would claim that he didn't follow the book? Is it really necessary to
beat the shit out of someone for something this small? Is it really that
hard to give someone the benfit of doubt and support someone that this
far has done _everything_ for Parabola? It's like we're discussing the
Talmud or if one can smoke on the Sabbath! I mean seriously?!? "Oh no,
he drew a car before sunset! Crucify him!" For how long are you going to
split hairs? Isn't it wonderful if the devs have a server?!? Wouldn't it
be wonderful if this could help Parabola keeping the kernels up to date
and thus secured? You don't think the intention were to help Parabola?
And what's this with the donation, removing donations from the wiki
site, and blah blah blah ...

Here's no hope, joy or gratitude or anything positive at all! This is a
very dark place! Continue down this path, and you'll end up with fewer
devs, no server, no maintenance and nothing at all. Who wanna work under
such conditions? I think that those taking some initiative (even if it
by-passed some 'rules' according to some) and forcing this ship through
this storm should get credit and honor for their work. Instead of no
server, Parabola now actually have a build server, _if_ g4jc even
chooses to stay in this dark valley, and there will also be a way for us
to run it (despite costs for electricity), because many enough actually
want that to happen! 

In a normal universe people would be happy and grateful that someone
actually sees this through (and I bet it hasn't even occurd to them to
remove donations or people from any lists of any sort). Even in the
smallest enterprise those conserned would be over-joyed for finally
having a build server of their own. I mean, in a _normal_ universe, that
is. 

S



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