[Dev] Some doubts about Parabola's donations

Thu Apr 6 12:22:14 GMT 2017

to., 06.04.2017 kl. 14.12 +0200, skrev aurelien:
> Stig Roar Wangberg <srw at openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
> > to., 06.04.2017 kl. 08.18 +0200, skrev aurelien:
> > > Crazytoon <crazytoon at riseup.net> writes:
> > > 
> > > > El 05/04/17 a las 20:31, Stig Roar Wangberg escribió:
> > > > > on., 05.04.2017 kl. 23.27 +0000, skrev coadde:
> > > > > > On 04/05/2017 09:39 PM, Luke wrote:
> > > > > > > On 04/05/2017 04:51 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Our agreement has been signed on 24 September 2015
> > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > > term
> > > > > > > > > of 1 (one)
> > > > > > > > > year and it has been automatically renewed on 24
> > > > > > > > > September
> > > > > > > > > 2016. I
> > > > > > > > > remind everyone that Ceata doesn't charge Parabola
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > fee for
> > > > > > > > > handling
> > > > > > > > > its donations and expenses.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Any other free software nonprofit offering fiscal
> > > > > > > > > sponsorship
> > > > > > > > > (such as
> > > > > > > > > FSF and SF Conservancy) charges the projects under
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > umbrella with a
> > > > > > > > > standard fee of 10% of income. That is around €250
> > > > > > > > > EUR
> > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > income
> > > > > > > > > Parabola has received so far.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Considering that there is a number of Parabola
> > > > > > > > > hackers/donors
> > > > > > > > > unsatisfied with Ceata's fiscal sponsorship, it is
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > terminate the current agreement. Please consider this
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > "sixty (60)
> > > > > > > > > days written notice" I send you on behalf of Ceata,
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > per §7.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I just wanted to take a moment to say that while
> > > > > > > questions
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > asked by members of our community, no one has made the
> > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > decision to "terminate".
> > > > > > > However, as Ceata has already made this decision for us
> > > > > > > (which is
> > > > > > > allowed per §7), it will be unlikely to find a
> > > > > > > replacement
> > > > > > > within
> > > > > > > 60 days.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > As for current consensus:
> > > > > > > I think we should immediately remove donation links from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > website to
> > > > > > > avoid further loss/confusion of Parabola donations until
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > matter is
> > > > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > 
> > > > > +1
> > > > 
> > > > +1
> > > 
> > > +1
> > > 
> > > I would like to bring you back in time when I said that I am
> > > against
> > > the
> > > money. Parabola was at first a mate adventure and continue to be
> > > one.
> > > 
> > > I have no doubt about fauno and would be really pleased that you
> > > the
> > > people of that community get time to think of some important
> > > points:
> > > 
> > > This project offer us many things from personnal being to
> > > knowledge.
> > > 
> > > Nowadays thanks GNU and thanks Parabola because I have a job and
> > > that
> > > job comes from the knowledge all people of GNU shared with me and
> > > offer
> > > me the chance of practicing.
> > > 
> > > Afaik from the day money comes here, it change many things from
> > > the
> > > share of practicing essential part of the project to the reason
> > > why
> > > people act.
> > > 
> > > Speaking of people act, the first part of that mail comes from
> > > nowhere
> > > so that mean a private exchange around a public situation.
> > > 
> > > The dark corner of the money are just like this:
> > > 
> > > "Dark corners are basically fractal—no matter how much you
> > > illuminate,
> > > there’s always a smaller but darker one."   -— Brian Kernighan
> > > 
> > > Money must be kicked out from that place and never comes back.
> > > 
> > > Yes the project need money for servers and many other things, but
> > > get
> > > time to understand that we load and run it during many years
> > > without
> > > donation rules, just on the point of discussion.
> > > 
> > > Parabola is a great school art works and fauno his pillar.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dev mailing list
> > > Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> > > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > 
> > I'm extremely thankful and grateful for Parabola and all I've
> > learned
> > about computing and hacking these last few weeks. And I couldn't
> > have
> > done it without the help, patience and understanding from my new
> > friends in this unique, wonderful community. 
> > 
> > I for one would love to see a world with a resource based economy
> > rather than a debt/interest one. (End the FED and Central Banking!)
> > But
> > I would hate to see my friends - already working around the clock
> > to
> > maintain the best distro in the world (!) - sell themselves to
> > companies doing non-free software and working with proprietary
> > software
> >  just to make a living and only doing Parabola in their sparetime
> > an
> > hour before bed. But that is not for me to deside, of course, I
> > mean
> > how people are making a living. But I find this free community so
> > unique, helpful, developing (personally, per knowlegde, how-to,
> > freedom, friendship and more) that I would love for the devs to
> > work
> > with Parabola and at the same time be able to pay their bills,
> > devices
> > needed for building, maintaining, food and a place to live, for the
> > sake of keeping Parabola secure, safe, up to date and so on. It
> > would
> > also be great for the philosophy of freedom if Parabola could be
> > promoted with the help of artifects like t-shirts, cups, stickers,
> > support, lectures (for schools, companies and others interested in
> > the
> > use of free software) etc., which also would contribute to Parabola
> > economically. 
> > 
> > For me to be able to donate to Parabola and its devs, is a great
> > joy
> > for me. Not the fact that this world have this perverse
> > superstition of
> > a 'religion' called the monetary system, but due to the fact that I
> > strongly believe this will help freeing even more users from the
> > slavery caused by proprietary/non-free software and OSes. And for
> > that
> > I - as a user - very much so need you guys to do what you love the
> > most
> > and do best, i.e. Parabola! 
> > 
> > I very much welcome this new site for donating! I also welcome the
> > idea
> > of having a store, offering support and so on. And personally I
> > have
> > grown a lot in knowledge and know-how since I started to use
> > Parabola.
> > And if my learning curve continues the way it has the last few
> > weeks,
> > who knows; perhaps one day I can contribute to Parabola myself! I
> > myself don't have to worry about money ATM, but I would hate to see
> > Parabola lose quality because devs have no time to maintain it. So
> > if
> > that means to pay the devs a little money through donations, then
> > YES!
> > I'm in! 
> 
> No worries about that I am payed to spreed about free software to all
> the engineers around me.
> 
> So the point about Parabola is not that you give free time you get
> paid
> to learn the price you won is the study you do not have to pay.
> 
> -- aurelien

I didn't quite get that last paragraph, but sure; if you get payed for
spreading free software, great! Good for you! I think other devs (like
those developing and maintaining Parabola full time) also would be
happy to get a small amount of payment for spreading free software and
a 100% free distro. Those already working, don't need to get payed for
doing Parabola, perhaps. But that's not the point. The donations is for
everyone. For Parabola! To make it grow, get stronger and to make sure
it has the devices/servers etc. it needs for that purpose. I'm just
saying I think it's a good idea. It's great to have a full time job and
demand from those who don't are going to work for free. Anyways, it's
just my humble opinion. 
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