From aurelien at hackers.camp  Tue May  3 16:14:42 2016
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 18:14:42 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Having Pentesting,
 Forensic and much more tool from BlackArch repositories
Message-ID: <8760uvyv7x.fsf@hackers.camp>


Hello Parabola,

Here is a discussion from the IRC #Parabola channel on the point we
could get tools from BlackArch (+1400) tools of pentesting, forensic and
much more security.


--Star of the conversation
<aurelien> fauno there is another thing that could represent some
interests ... the tools from blackarch (+1400) in pentesting, forensic
and much more. Most of them are not on archlinux. I know that mean more
efforts, certainly a dedicaced repo and by the way more hackers. [17:37]
<aurelien> fauno, or maybe it could be possible to filter non-free them
From their repo directly [17:38]
<aurelien> fauno, or to keep it simple, had the repo ... and blacklist
the non-free that will be discovered one after one ;-)
<fauno> you mean add the repo and assume everything's free?
<aurelien> not assume ... but need verification                  [17:41]
<fauno> there was a therassology project that could analyze source code
and find potential issues
<aurelien> never heard about that
<fauno> iirc jxself was running a server
<fauno> can you ask him?
<aurelien> certainly
<aurelien> thanks for your lights fauno
<evc> not fossology?                                             [17:43]
<fauno> that one, sorry
<alfplayer> debian copyright files are much simpler
<fauno> xD
<aurelien> ok ... i have asked him                               [17:45]
<aurelien> ok so ... do you think that we can filter with
http://www.fossology.org/projects/fossology the blackarch repos? [17:47]
<pbot> Page title: `FOSSology - Overview - FOSSology'
<aurelien> jxself, says it help a lot but it is not perfect
<aurelien> he says that it works fine when license is clearly written
and by the way help on the rest for further investigation        [17:48]
<aurelien> we could maybe agreed on the one that are free, then grey
list the one that need more investigation and blacklist the non-free
[17:49]
<fauno> that seems right                                         [17:50]

--End of conversation

I have get a look about Foosology ... it use docker, if our server can
accept the run of a docker, we could maybe do that.

-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES


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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  4 02:15:39 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 22:15:39 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [gnu.org #928402] CAcert root certificate non-free?
In-Reply-To: <rt-3.4.5-25036-1462290293-851.928402-5-0@rt.gnu.org>
References: <RT-Ticket-928402@rt.gnu.org> <8761jbsavb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <rt-3.4.5-25036-1462290293-851.928402-5-0@rt.gnu.org>
Message-ID: <87futymuus.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Tue, 03 May 2016 11:44:54 -0400,
Joshua Gay via RT wrote:
> I apologize for the delay. I wanted to follow-up with this to let you
> know that we did consider the matter. 

It's all good!  Thanks for getting us an official FSF response!

> > I'm with Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, and I have doubt that we can
> > continue packaging the CAcert root certificate.
> > 
> > It was pointed out that in 2010 Fedora Legal found[0] CAcert's "Root
> > Distribution License"[1] to be non-free; with a usage restriction.
> 
> I disagree with Fedora's analysis. It does not place a restriction that
> violates the terms of the GNU GPL. It is not a nonfree restriction. 

Glad to hear it!  Our concern wasn't directly with GPL compatibility,
but with our status as an FSDG, FSF-endorsed distribution.

In the mean time, our position had been that while it might contain a
nonfree restriction, the cert is non-functional data, and not subject
to the strictness of the FSDG's requirements on code.  IIRC, this
position was well-agreed upon on the gnu-linux-libre list.

-- 
Thanks again,
~ Luke Shumaker


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May  4 07:47:30 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 04:47:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola's Final Budget for FISL17
Message-ID: <5729A912.9010000@riseup.net>

Budget estimation is around ? 555 for Parabola participation at FISL17.
See the budget file saved in our site [0] for further details.

BTW, I would make 3 stickers (Parabola mascots/symbol with blacktext [1]
and whitetext [2] logo and another one with just Parabola mascots/symbol
[3]). There is a printing that could make it (eg. 50 vinyl stickers 8cm
x 8cm at ? 11) our mascots/symbol with text logos are 13.8cm x 5.3cm and
just mascots/symbol is 3.8cm x 5.3cm, could we make it? 50, 100 or 500
stickers? What do you think?

Another way is looking for budgets about it in another places (eg.
Argentina) or some of our hackers like Luke .R in USA to see if it is
more cheaper than the place that i'm now and send me through Miami-Box.
There is a tarball about those images with svg format [4] and signature
made by coadde [5]

[0]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/fisl17/fisl17_budget.txt
[1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/a6/Parabola_blacktext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
[2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/0/0a/Parabola_whitetext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
[3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/aa/Logo%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
[4]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola-logotype-2016.tar.xz
[5]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola-logotype-2016.tar.xz.sig

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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Wed May  4 13:21:48 2016
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 15:21:48 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Having Pentesting,
 Forensic and much more tool from BlackArch repositories
In-Reply-To: <8760uvyv7x.fsf@hackers.camp> (aurelien@hackers.camp's message of
 "Tue, 03 May 2016 18:14:42 +0200")
References: <8760uvyv7x.fsf@hackers.camp>
Message-ID: <871t5iyn4j.fsf@hackers.camp>


aurelien <aurelien at hackers.camp> writes:

> Hello Parabola,
>
> Here is a discussion from the IRC #Parabola channel on the point we
> could get tools from BlackArch (+1400) tools of pentesting, forensic and
> much more security.
>
>
> --Star of the conversation
> <aurelien> fauno there is another thing that could represent some
> interests ... the tools from blackarch (+1400) in pentesting, forensic
> and much more. Most of them are not on archlinux. I know that mean more
> efforts, certainly a dedicaced repo and by the way more hackers. [17:37]
> <aurelien> fauno, or maybe it could be possible to filter non-free them
> From their repo directly [17:38]
> <aurelien> fauno, or to keep it simple, had the repo ... and blacklist
> the non-free that will be discovered one after one ;-)
> <fauno> you mean add the repo and assume everything's free?
> <aurelien> not assume ... but need verification                  [17:41]
> <fauno> there was a therassology project that could analyze source code
> and find potential issues
> <aurelien> never heard about that
> <fauno> iirc jxself was running a server
> <fauno> can you ask him?
> <aurelien> certainly
> <aurelien> thanks for your lights fauno
> <evc> not fossology?                                             [17:43]
> <fauno> that one, sorry
> <alfplayer> debian copyright files are much simpler
> <fauno> xD
> <aurelien> ok ... i have asked him                               [17:45]
> <aurelien> ok so ... do you think that we can filter with
> http://www.fossology.org/projects/fossology the blackarch repos? [17:47]
> <pbot> Page title: `FOSSology - Overview - FOSSology'
> <aurelien> jxself, says it help a lot but it is not perfect
> <aurelien> he says that it works fine when license is clearly written
> and by the way help on the rest for further investigation        [17:48]
> <aurelien> we could maybe agreed on the one that are free, then grey
> list the one that need more investigation and blacklist the non-free
> [17:49]
> <fauno> that seems right                                         [17:50]
>
> --End of conversation
>
> I have get a look about Foosology ... it use docker, if our server can
> accept the run of a docker, we could maybe do that.

There is another one that we could also have, archstricke.

Always in security type of Arch, this one seems more active and have
more updated solution.

That would mean we would have to filter free and updated


-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May  4 20:20:42 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
Message-ID: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>

Hello,
A generous sponsor is offering to give us a new server with higher specs
in the privacy respecting datacenters of Iceland. (This sponsorship will
soon be announced and advertised on our site once finalized)

With that in mind, I think we should make sure the new server is a true
Tier1 server. Meaning it is not listed in the mirrorlist and only a few
people have the ability to rsync from it. We could probably still host
our website on it, but it's main function should serve as a reliable
server for developers - rather than overloading it as we are currently
doing to the main server.

Emulatorman suggests they we take a consensus about this, so what are
your thoughts about the new server being a Tier 1?



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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May  4 20:27:56 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Parabola's Final Budget for FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5729A912.9010000@riseup.net>
References: <5729A912.9010000@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <572A5B4C.9010505@openmailbox.org>

I think that USA can print them cheaper. I will need to send a demo to
the printers to have them estimate it.
Looking over the tar file, I think the best two for stickers would be:

Logo with Text:
parabola_logotype-parabola+gnu+bolaOfficialLogotype-parabolaGnu+linuxlibre-default+blackText_rx_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg

Or just the logo:
parabola_symbol-parabola+gnu+bolaOfficialLogotype-default_rx_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg

If one or both of those is what we would like printed, let me know and I
can get some estimates with various printers and determine cost for 500.

Thanks.

On 05/04/2016 03:47 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Budget estimation is around ? 555 for Parabola participation at FISL17.
> See the budget file saved in our site [0] for further details.
>
> BTW, I would make 3 stickers (Parabola mascots/symbol with blacktext [1]
> and whitetext [2] logo and another one with just Parabola mascots/symbol
> [3]). There is a printing that could make it (eg. 50 vinyl stickers 8cm
> x 8cm at ? 11) our mascots/symbol with text logos are 13.8cm x 5.3cm and
> just mascots/symbol is 3.8cm x 5.3cm, could we make it? 50, 100 or 500
> stickers? What do you think?
>
> Another way is looking for budgets about it in another places (eg.
> Argentina) or some of our hackers like Luke .R in USA to see if it is
> more cheaper than the place that i'm now and send me through Miami-Box.
> There is a tarball about those images with svg format [4] and signature
> made by coadde [5]
>
> [0]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/fisl17/fisl17_budget.txt
> [1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/a6/Parabola_blacktext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
> [2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/0/0a/Parabola_whitetext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
> [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/aa/Logo%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
> [4]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola-logotype-2016.tar.xz
> [5]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola-logotype-2016.tar.xz.sig
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed May  4 20:48:51 2016
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:48:51 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:

> Hello,
> A generous sponsor is offering to give us a new server with higher specs
> in the privacy respecting datacenters of Iceland. (This sponsorship will
> soon be announced and advertised on our site once finalized)
>
> With that in mind, I think we should make sure the new server is a true
> Tier1 server. Meaning it is not listed in the mirrorlist and only a few
> people have the ability to rsync from it. We could probably still host
> our website on it, but it's main function should serve as a reliable
> server for developers - rather than overloading it as we are currently
> doing to the main server.
>
> Emulatorman suggests they we take a consensus about this, so what are
> your thoughts about the new server being a Tier 1?

what are the specs? is your plan moving everything we have on the
current server or keep both?

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May  4 20:59:49 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:59:49 -0400
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>

The specs are 500GB, 4 CPU, and 4GB of ram. Once I receive the complete
information from them I will post it to the mailing list.

I think that we should move everything we have over to the new server,
and keep the current server as a backup.

On 05/04/2016 04:48 PM, fauno wrote:
> Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>> A generous sponsor is offering to give us a new server with higher specs
>> in the privacy respecting datacenters of Iceland. (This sponsorship will
>> soon be announced and advertised on our site once finalized)
>>
>> With that in mind, I think we should make sure the new server is a true
>> Tier1 server. Meaning it is not listed in the mirrorlist and only a few
>> people have the ability to rsync from it. We could probably still host
>> our website on it, but it's main function should serve as a reliable
>> server for developers - rather than overloading it as we are currently
>> doing to the main server.
>>
>> Emulatorman suggests they we take a consensus about this, so what are
>> your thoughts about the new server being a Tier 1?
> what are the specs? is your plan moving everything we have on the
> current server or keep both?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From coadde at riseup.net  Wed May  4 21:18:22 2016
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:18:22 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <572A671E.10504@riseup.net>



On 05/04/2016 05:59 PM, Luke wrote:
> The specs are 500GB, 4 CPU, and 4GB of ram. Once I receive the complete
> information from them I will post it to the mailing list.
> 
> I think that we should move everything we have over to the new server,
> and keep the current server as a backup.
> 
> On 05/04/2016 04:48 PM, fauno wrote:
>> Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> A generous sponsor is offering to give us a new server with higher specs
>>> in the privacy respecting datacenters of Iceland. (This sponsorship will
>>> soon be announced and advertised on our site once finalized)
>>>
>>> With that in mind, I think we should make sure the new server is a true
>>> Tier1 server. Meaning it is not listed in the mirrorlist and only a few
>>> people have the ability to rsync from it. We could probably still host
>>> our website on it, but it's main function should serve as a reliable
>>> server for developers - rather than overloading it as we are currently
>>> doing to the main server.
>>>
>>> Emulatorman suggests they we take a consensus about this, so what are
>>> your thoughts about the new server being a Tier 1?
>> what are the specs? is your plan moving everything we have on the
>> current server or keep both?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
I suggest to decentralize servers, example: use the old server as
website/git and the new server as package host.
Or use the old server as multimedia host (GNU MediaGoblin and revision
controls for multimedia)

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May  4 21:24:02 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:24:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A671E.10504@riseup.net>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>

On 05/04/2016 06:18 PM, coadde wrote:
> I suggest to decentralize servers, example: use the old server as
> website/git and the new server as package host.
> Or use the old server as multimedia host (GNU MediaGoblin and revision
> controls for multimedia)

In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia. What
do you think?

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From coadde at riseup.net  Wed May  4 21:28:20 2016
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:28:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <572A6974.106@riseup.net>

On 05/04/2016 06:24 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
> the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia. What
> do you think?

OK, +1

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed May  4 21:28:37 2016
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:28:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87bn4l4inu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

> On 05/04/2016 06:18 PM, coadde wrote:
>> I suggest to decentralize servers, example: use the old server as
>> website/git and the new server as package host.
>> Or use the old server as multimedia host (GNU MediaGoblin and revision
>> controls for multimedia)
>
> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
> the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia. What
> do you think?

are we in need of multimedia hosting tools, besides the wiki?

some time ago people requested to have email accounts, we can set this
up on the new server too.

-- 
http://vqfe4xmhxzi7w2uv.onion/
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May  4 21:34:32 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:34:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <87bn4l4inu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
 <87bn4l4inu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <572A6AE8.50603@riseup.net>

On 05/04/2016 06:28 PM, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
> 
>> On 05/04/2016 06:18 PM, coadde wrote:
>>> I suggest to decentralize servers, example: use the old server as
>>> website/git and the new server as package host.
>>> Or use the old server as multimedia host (GNU MediaGoblin and revision
>>> controls for multimedia)
>>
>> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
>> the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia. What
>> do you think?
> 
> are we in need of multimedia hosting tools, besides the wiki?

Since multimedia hosting is very limited through the wiki (eg. it
doesn't includes license info), i suggest use GNU MediaGoblin for it.


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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Wed May  4 21:54:57 2016
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <1462398897.2357.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>



Le mer. 4 mai 2016 ? 16:24, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> a 
?crit :
> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
> the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia. 
> What
> do you think?

I also like the idea of putting the old server to use, but I would like 
to
make sure the following questions are addressed before deciding what
things to put on which server:

How could we take advantage of the privacy bonus of the new server?,
Are there some things that would benefit more from using that privacy?

What is the cost of migration? Can we move any service just as easily
as any other?

Also, what are the things that need the increased resources of the
new server more. I see a potential dilemma here:

The new server doesn't just have more disk but also more RAM, and it's
the network services (maybe not all of them) that need more computing
power AFAIK. I don't think we spend a lot of CPU and RAM hosting 
packages,
artwork and running related tools like dbscripts; do we? On the other 
hand
we would also like more room for storing more packages and artwork.
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May  4 22:11:59 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:11:59 -0400
Subject: [Dev] New server Specs
Message-ID: <572A73AF.4070506@openmailbox.org>

Hello,
I just received authorization and have been sent login information for
our new server!!

Our generous sponsor is 1984 Web Hosting (www.1984.is)! They provide
ethical hosting that utilizes free software, green energy, and a focus
on privacy and civil rights.
We will have to make a press release about it soon.

Here are the specifications:
----------------------
Location: 	Reykjav?k, Iceland


RAM: 	4608 MB


CPUs: 	8


Disk space: 	73728 MB


Transfer


  * Transfer quota:: 900.00 GB/month
  * Received: 0.00 GB
  * Transmitted: 0.00 GB
  * Total: 0.00 GB

0%

----------------------

I am sending VPS Portal details to fauno, mtjm, lukeshu, and
Emulatorman. We will need to setup the server as needed, the tech
support team has already added "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre ISO" as an
install option for us.

Luke



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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Wed May  4 22:20:37 2016
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Dev] New server Specs
In-Reply-To: <572A73AF.4070506@openmailbox.org>
References: <572A73AF.4070506@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <1462400437.2357.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Amazing Luke! Thank you for working on this.

Is that disk space figure correct? 73728 MB is too little,
maybe there's a trailing zero missing in there.
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed May  4 22:53:27 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:53:27 -0400
Subject: [Dev] New server Specs
In-Reply-To: <1462400437.2357.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <572A73AF.4070506@openmailbox.org>
 <1462400437.2357.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <572A7D67.30207@openmailbox.org>

On 05/04/2016 06:20 PM, Isaac David wrote:
> Amazing Luke! Thank you for working on this.
>
> Is that disk space figure correct? 73728 MB is too little,
> maybe there's a trailing zero missing in there.
Just got this response from 1984 hosting:

"Hi, it only says 72 Gigs in the web interface, don't worry, the actual disk is 500 gigs. Don't worry about the bandwidth usage either, unless you start abusing the link or threaten our network stability we'll not bother your guys about that."





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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Thu May  5 01:23:32 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <1462398897.2357.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
 <1462398897.2357.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <572AA094.70105@openmailbox.org>

On 05/04/2016 05:54 PM, Isaac David wrote:
>
>
> Le mer. 4 mai 2016 ? 16:24, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> a ?crit :
>> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting
>> and the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for
>> multimedia. What do you think?
>
> I also like the idea of putting the old server to use, but I would like to
> make sure the following questions are addressed before deciding what
> things to put on which server:
>
> How could we take advantage of the privacy bonus of the new server?,
> Are there some things that would benefit more from using that privacy?
>
> What is the cost of migration? Can we move any service just as easily
> as any other?
>  
> Also, what are the things that need the increased resources of the
> new server more. I see a potential dilemma here:
>
> The new server doesn't just have more disk but also more RAM, and it's
> the network services (maybe not all of them) that need more computing
> power AFAIK. I don't think we spend a lot of CPU and RAM hosting packages,
> artwork and running related tools like dbscripts; do we? On the other hand
> we would also like more room for storing more packages and artwork.
>

I think that a MediaGoblin server would be nice, so if we wanted to we
could use the old server for art/media. As far as privacy - we do still
have two mirrors running TOR that not many people seem to utilize.
https://wiki.parabola.nu/System_Upgrade_using_TOR

This server could definitely host e-mail as well, which would be nice
since the hosting is more secure than all of our current providers.

Perhaps lukeshu or fauno could give us some insight on how long the cost
migration would take. There is a lot of script magic running on our
server that may need to be setup again.

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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Thu May  5 05:30:18 2016
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 07:30:18 +0200
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572AA094.70105@openmailbox.org> (Luke's message of "Wed, 4 May
 2016 21:23:32 -0400")
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
 <572A671E.10504@riseup.net> <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
 <1462398897.2357.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <572AA094.70105@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87vb2txead.fsf@hackers.camp>


Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:

> On 05/04/2016 05:54 PM, Isaac David wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 4 mai 2016 ? 16:24, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> a ?crit :
>>> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting
>>> and the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for
>>> multimedia. What do you think?
>>
>> I also like the idea of putting the old server to use, but I would like to
>> make sure the following questions are addressed before deciding what
>> things to put on which server:
>>
>> How could we take advantage of the privacy bonus of the new server?,
>> Are there some things that would benefit more from using that privacy?
>>
>> What is the cost of migration? Can we move any service just as easily
>> as any other?
>>  
>> Also, what are the things that need the increased resources of the
>> new server more. I see a potential dilemma here:
>>
>> The new server doesn't just have more disk but also more RAM, and it's
>> the network services (maybe not all of them) that need more computing
>> power AFAIK. I don't think we spend a lot of CPU and RAM hosting packages,
>> artwork and running related tools like dbscripts; do we? On the other hand
>> we would also like more room for storing more packages and artwork.
>>
>
> I think that a MediaGoblin server would be nice, so if we wanted to we
> could use the old server for art/media. As far as privacy - we do still
> have two mirrors running TOR that not many people seem to utilize.
> https://wiki.parabola.nu/System_Upgrade_using_TOR
>
> This server could definitely host e-mail as well, which would be nice
> since the hosting is more secure than all of our current providers.
>
> Perhaps lukeshu or fauno could give us some insight on how long the cost
> migration would take. There is a lot of script magic running on our
> server that may need to be setup again.

Emulatorman tell me in the chan that Parabola will import some stuf from
Manjaro and Artegos and by the way we could also import free stuff from
BlackArch and ArchStricke.

The point on that lasts is that they need to be filtered from non-free
and grey list with FossOlogy (view) information in the ML on that point.

To create that filter FossOlogy need a docker tool. So it could be fine
to get a bit of space for that too.

From my point of view:

Server 0 the old one should get for the website, wiki, design ... , it
works fine and rarely goes down compared with other website.

Server 1 the new one should be user for all the packages and the filter
FossOlogy, the ISO and a VPN for communications between the server 0 &
1.

Then at the time we know exaclty the level of consumption of all server
by server, we could get time to think to offer new services, like mail
(as secured as possible), why not mediagoblin or anything else.

Server 0 or 1 could be change as you wish in what I suggest. All is
about harmony between services and hardware capacities and all of them
together.

About the point of using the servers as using machine, a third server
with 24GB of ram on 1TB of SSD would be needed 8-p

-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Thu May  5 22:06:15 2016
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 00:06:15 +0200
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <20160506000615.131808ec.GNUtoo@no-log.org>

On Wed, 4 May 2016 16:59:49 -0400
Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> wrote:

> The specs are 500GB, 4 CPU, and 4GB of ram. Once I receive the
> complete information from them I will post it to the mailing list.
Wow, it seems able to build parabola.

Denis.
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Thu May  5 22:12:26 2016
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 00:12:26 +0200
Subject: [Dev] New server - Consensus Needed
In-Reply-To: <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
References: <572A599A.7020605@openmailbox.org>
 <87h9ed4ki4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <572A62C5.8010508@openmailbox.org> <572A671E.10504@riseup.net>
 <572A6872.4000005@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20160506001226.46453eae.GNUtoo@no-log.org>

On Wed, 4 May 2016 18:24:02 -0300
Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> wrote:

> In my opinion, i prefer the new one for package/multimedia hosting and
> the old one for website/labs/git/revision controls for multimedia.
> What do you think?
The new one seem safer. It seems a good idea to use it to host security
critical infrastructure on it.

I remember the old one being a vm in a shared hosting that we cannot
really trust. I don't see what could prevent the host from having
access to the VM RAM[1].

References:
-----------
[1] Unless the code is run unmodified, inside the CPU and its
    cache, that the RAM is encrypted. We don't take into account
    malicious SMM or the management engine as it's probably almost the
    same with the new hardware.

Denis.
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May  6 22:14:44 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 22:14:44 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-lts] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160506221444.1455.88936@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-lts 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.8_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

Updated upstream 4.4.9



From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May  6 22:14:59 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 22:14:59 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160506221459.1225.63496@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.2_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

Updated upstream 4.5.3



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun May  8 12:41:08 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 12:41:08 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [arduino] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160508124108.26732.24013@parabola.nu>

e_y_e at tuta.io wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* arduino 1:1.6.0-1 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/arduino/


The user provided the following additional text:

Version 1.6.8 is the current version: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ReleaseNotes



From sakhmatd at riseup.net  Mon May  9 06:20:35 2016
From: sakhmatd at riseup.net (Sergei Akhmatdinov)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 02:20:35 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Volunteering for packaging
Message-ID: <20160509022035.396af967@riseup.net>

Hello,

I want to help out the community and fill in some package requests on
the issue tracker.

Wiki told me to give you folks my signed SSH key, so here it is.
I dropped my GPG public in as well for good measure.

To make sure, what exactly do I put in for ''yourparabolapackagerskey''
in .ssh/config?
Should it be my pub key?

Cheers,
-- 
Sergei Akhmatdinov

My GPG public key:
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys AD800D99
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Mon May  9 20:51:47 2016
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 15:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Volunteering for packaging
In-Reply-To: <20160509022035.396af967@riseup.net>
References: <20160509022035.396af967@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <877ff3gdjw.fsf@riseup.net>

Sergei Akhmatdinov <sakhmatd at riseup.net> writes:

> [ Unknown signature status ]
> Hello,
>
> I want to help out the community and fill in some package requests on
> the issue tracker.
>
> Wiki told me to give you folks my signed SSH key, so here it is.
> I dropped my GPG public in as well for good measure.
>
> To make sure, what exactly do I put in for ''yourparabolapackagerskey''
> in .ssh/config?
> Should it be my pub key?

This is the path for your ssh private key.

> Cheers,
> -- 
> Sergei Akhmatdinov


From hahj87 at gmail.com  Mon May  9 22:24:52 2016
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 17:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Proposal: [bio] repo for Parabola/GNU Linux libre
Message-ID: <87y47i27kb.fsf@riseup.net>


Hi everyone!

I'd like to make a "bio" repo for bioinformatics.

I have some PKGBUILDs and packages that I use at work and they may be
useful for other people too.

They are compiled on clean chroots on latest parabola.

Attached are my public keys.


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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Mon May  9 23:19:28 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 19:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Proposal: [bio] repo for Parabola/GNU Linux libre
In-Reply-To: <87y47i27kb.fsf@riseup.net>
References: <87y47i27kb.fsf@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <57311B00.9080606@openmailbox.org>

Would it be possible to use PCR repo? You could upload your work to the
AUR as well since upstream may like to have access to any new free
software not already there.

On 05/09/2016 06:24 PM, Joshua Haase wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> I'd like to make a "bio" repo for bioinformatics.
>
> I have some PKGBUILDs and packages that I use at work and they may be
> useful for other people too.
>
> They are compiled on clean chroots on latest parabola.
>
> Attached are my public keys.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 10 05:34:53 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 01:34:53 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
Message-ID: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I just released libretools 20160510 to [libre], and pushed the source
tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.

The big change this release is that librechroot (and thus
libremakepkg) get support for running ARM chroots on x86 architectures
via qemu with binfmt_misc.

In particular, librechroot's new `-A` flag obviates the "Building
32-bit packages on a 64-bit system" wiki page[2].

Changes from 20160418 to 20160510:
 * librechroot:
   - On non-armv7l architectures, support CARCH=armv7h via qemu with
     binfmt_misc.
   - Avoid doing work to set up a chroot when we're just going to
     'delete' it
 * librexgettext: improved --help text
 * Improve INSTALL documentation

When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
not with libretools itself.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue May 10 07:09:40 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 04:09:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <57318934.8060706@riseup.net>

On 05/10/2016 02:34 AM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
> creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
> Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
> hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
> not with libretools itself.

I replicated it and the ARM chroot creating works after delete the
chroot and try again, however i have troubles to build packages using
"sudo libremakepkg -n my-armv7h-chroot" eg:

==> Starting to build the package...
 |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue May 10 11:09:32 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 08:09:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <57318934.8060706@riseup.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <57318934.8060706@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5731C16C.1010901@riseup.net>

On 05/10/2016 04:09 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 02:34 AM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
>> When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
>> creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
>> Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
>> hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
>> not with libretools itself.
> 
> I replicated it and the ARM chroot creating works after delete the
> chroot and try again, however i have troubles to build packages using
> "sudo libremakepkg -n my-armv7h-chroot" eg:
> 
> ==> Starting to build the package...
>  |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture

I tried use coadde solution [0] and now it has been solved, however i
have another different issue in the next step of the building, eg:

==> Starting to build the package...
 |  ==> Making package: linux-libre 4.5.3_gnu-1
 |  ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
 |  ==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
 |  ==> Installing missing dependencies...
 |  sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with
the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?
 |  ==> ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies.

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/devtools-par.git/commit/?id=c3819bb4224622c6d10ab7a3511472f314e026ba


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue May 10 11:43:09 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 08:43:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5731C16C.1010901@riseup.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <57318934.8060706@riseup.net> <5731C16C.1010901@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5731C94D.7040604@riseup.net>

On 05/10/2016 08:09 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 04:09 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 05/10/2016 02:34 AM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
>>> When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
>>> creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
>>> Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
>>> hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
>>> not with libretools itself.
>>
>> I replicated it and the ARM chroot creating works after delete the
>> chroot and try again, however i have troubles to build packages using
>> "sudo libremakepkg -n my-armv7h-chroot" eg:
>>
>> ==> Starting to build the package...
>>  |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture
> 
> I tried use coadde solution [0] and now it has been solved, however i
> have another different issue in the next step of the building, eg:
> 
> ==> Starting to build the package...
>  |  ==> Making package: linux-libre 4.5.3_gnu-1
>  |  ==> Checking runtime dependencies...
>  |  ==> Checking buildtime dependencies...
>  |  ==> Installing missing dependencies...
>  |  sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with
> the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?
>  |  ==> ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies.
> 
> [0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/devtools-par.git/commit/?id=c3819bb4224622c6d10ab7a3511472f314e026ba

Some minutes ago, coadde pushed a modification for binfmt-qemu-static in
abslibre to add C flag to support suid (needed for sudo and others) [0],
i tested it and now it works!!! \o/

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=a7ff5069dfad0df414403a1588bbaa186252ef12

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue May 10 14:29:21 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 11:29:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Sustainable Donations for Parabola Project
In-Reply-To: <5723C005.2090107@riseup.net>
References: <572007B1.1060604@openmailbox.org>
 <<572007B1.1060604@openmailbox.org> <57216518.1060801@riseup.net>
 <KGPTou_--3-0@tutanota.com> <5723C005.2090107@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5731F041.3070608@riseup.net>

On 04/29/2016 05:11 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 04/27/2016 10:28 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
>> I think Andr? has a good idea there. A wiki page is pretty good for
>> condensing this kind of info. If any qualms arise, we can either discuss
>> on the talk page or here in this mailing list.
>>
>> Nicolas Maia
> 
> I created the Crowdfunding page to continue the discussion and expansion
> there [0]
> 
> [0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Crowdfunding
> 

I've created a Parabola team account in Liberapay and put it in
Donations page [0], if some Parabola hacker want enter in the team,
please let me know to send the invitation :)

cheers!

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Liberapay_donations

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 10 17:18:10 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 13:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5731C16C.1010901@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Andr? Silva wrote:
> > ==> Starting to build the package...
> >  |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture
> 
> I tried use coadde solution [0] and now it has been solved,
> 
> [0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/devtools-par.git/commit/?id=c3819bb4224622c6d10ab7a3511472f314e026ba

This should not be nescessary.  Libretools arch-nspawn has the `-s`
flag to turn off setarch, and libre

Can you stick a `set -x` in the function `hack_arch_nspawn_flags()` in
`/usr/bin/librechroot` to see why it isn't tacking on that flag to the
`arch_nspawn_flags` array?

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From hahj87 at gmail.com  Tue May 10 18:09:36 2016
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 13:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Proposal: [bio] repo for Parabola/GNU Linux libre
In-Reply-To: <57311B00.9080606@openmailbox.org>
References: <87y47i27kb.fsf@riseup.net> <57311B00.9080606@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87zirxyecf.fsf@riseup.net>

Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:

> Would it be possible to use PCR repo? You could upload your work to the
> AUR as well since upstream may like to have access to any new free
> software not already there.

I'd rather having a specialized repo for these specialized tools,
but if we agree to have them on PCR that may be fine.

Some of the packages are already on AUR, and I modified some a lot.
Don't know whether it is considered rude to just push on a package
maintained by someone else. I think it might be.

> On 05/09/2016 06:24 PM, Joshua Haase wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I'd like to make a "bio" repo for bioinformatics.
>>
>> I have some PKGBUILDs and packages that I use at work and they may be
>> useful for other people too.
>>
>> They are compiled on clean chroots on latest parabola.
>>
>> Attached are my public keys.


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 03:30:29 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 00:30:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5732A755.9080106@riseup.net>

On 05/10/2016 02:18 PM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> Andr? Silva wrote:
>>> ==> Starting to build the package...
>>>  |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture
>>
>> I tried use coadde solution [0] and now it has been solved,
>>
>> [0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/devtools-par.git/commit/?id=c3819bb4224622c6d10ab7a3511472f314e026ba
> 
> This should not be nescessary.  Libretools arch-nspawn has the `-s`
> flag to turn off setarch, and libre
> 
> Can you stick a `set -x` in the function `hack_arch_nspawn_flags()` in
> `/usr/bin/librechroot` to see why it isn't tacking on that flag to the
> `arch_nspawn_flags` array?
> 

ok, it's the log:

==> Starting to build the package...
 |  + getopts hC:M:c:f:s arg
 |  + local CARCH
 |  + [[ -f /mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman/etc/makepkg.conf ]]
 |  ++ grep '^CARCH='
/mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman/etc/makepkg.conf
 |  + eval 'CARCH="armv7h"'
 |  ++ CARCH=armv7h
 |  + [[ armv7h == armv7h ]]
 |  + setarch armv7l
 |  + grep -xF enabled /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm
 |  + grep -xF 'interpreter /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static'
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm
 |  + arch_nspawn_flags+=(-f /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static -s)
 |  + /usr/lib/libretools/chroot/arch-nspawn -f /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static
-s /mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman
--bind-ro=/home/emulatorman/parabola-projects/packages/abslibre/libre/pacman:/startdir_host
--bind-ro=/home/emulatorman/parabola-projects/packages/abslibre/libre/pacman:/srcdest_host
-- true
 |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture

Maybe '-s' should be before than '/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static' to make
effect and solve the issue, eg. arch_nspawn_flags+=(-f -s
/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static)

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 03:38:06 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 00:38:06 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5732A755.9080106@riseup.net>
References: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <5732A755.9080106@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5732A91E.1090608@riseup.net>

On 05/11/2016 12:30 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Maybe '-s' should be before than '/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static' to make
> effect and solve the issue, eg. arch_nspawn_flags+=(-f -s
> /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static)

I think '-s' should be before than '-f' since it copies the
qemu-arm-static file from the host to the chroot. eg.
arch_nspawn_flags+=(-s -f /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static).

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 03:45:55 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 00:45:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5732A91E.1090608@riseup.net>
References: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <5732A755.9080106@riseup.net> <5732A91E.1090608@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5732AAF3.4080709@riseup.net>

On 05/11/2016 12:38 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/11/2016 12:30 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> Maybe '-s' should be before than '/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static' to make
>> effect and solve the issue, eg. arch_nspawn_flags+=(-f -s
>> /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static)
> 
> I think '-s' should be before than '-f' since it copies the
> qemu-arm-static file from the host to the chroot. eg.
> arch_nspawn_flags+=(-s -f /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static).
> 

I tried do it, but the issue persists:

==> Starting to build the package...
 |  + getopts hC:M:c:f:s arg
 |  + local CARCH
 |  + [[ -f /mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman/etc/makepkg.conf ]]
 |  ++ grep '^CARCH='
/mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman/etc/makepkg.conf
 |  + eval 'CARCH="armv7h"'
 |  ++ CARCH=armv7h
 |  + [[ armv7h == armv7h ]]
 |  + setarch armv7l
 |  + grep -xF enabled /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm
 |  + grep -xF 'interpreter /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static'
/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/arm
 |  + arch_nspawn_flags+=(-s -f /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static)
 |  + /usr/lib/libretools/chroot/arch-nspawn -s -f
/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /mnt/libretools/chroot-armv7h/emulatorman
--bind-ro=/home/emulatorman/parabola-projects/packages/abslibre/libre/pacman:/startdir_host
--bind-ro=/home/emulatorman/parabola-projects/packages/abslibre/libre/pacman:/srcdest_host
-- true
 |  setarch: armv7h: Unrecognized architecture

Seems '-s' flag doesn't makes effect, maybe it's bug.

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 04:56:39 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 01:56:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5732AAF3.4080709@riseup.net>
References: <87oa8dj0h9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <5732A755.9080106@riseup.net> <5732A91E.1090608@riseup.net>
 <5732AAF3.4080709@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5732BB87.6070506@riseup.net>

On 05/11/2016 12:45 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Seems '-s' flag doesn't makes effect, maybe it's bug.

I found the issue about `-s` flag and i fixed it inside
arch-nspawn.patch [0]
Otherwise, i reverted coadde commit since it isn't necessary [1]
Now, armv7h packages building from libretools works well!

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/libretools.git/commit/?id=fb52b36bb545194ae25f69968a6374b68cd217bd
[1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/packages/devtools-par.git/commit/?id=4153cd46e23426ee725736dd4a2806d0df596ced

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 07:59:34 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 04:59:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5732E666.8020907@riseup.net>

On 05/10/2016 02:34 AM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
> creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
> Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
> hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
> not with libretools itself.

Those errors about package signing are related to different checksums
between "any" packages synced from Arch (x86) to Parabola and Arch ARM
to Parabola ARM (armv7h) that are going to the same folder
(/var/cache/pacman/pkg), now i have the same issue with all chroot
architectures, also my host system. It is because Arch ARM doesn't syncs
"any" packages from Arch since their developers build Arch ARM from scratch.
I suggest a different cache folder for armv7h packages to solve this issue.

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 11 16:18:20 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:18:20 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160511161820.1597.63209@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat 38.7.1_gnu1-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat/
* icecat 38.7.1_gnu1-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat/
* icecat-debug 38.7.1_gnu1-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat-debug/
* icecat-debug 38.7.1_gnu1-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

Upstream updated



From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 11 21:16:54 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 21:16:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-lts] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160511211654.1598.31565@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-lts 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.9_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

Updated to 4.4.10 upstream



From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 11 21:17:11 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 21:17:11 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160511211711.1597.91956@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

Updated to 4.5.4 upstream



From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 11 22:42:38 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 18:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <5732E666.8020907@riseup.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <5732E666.8020907@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87oa8cjjxd.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Wed, 11 May 2016 03:59:34 -0400,
Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 02:34 AM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> > When creating an ARM chroot, or when creating an x86 chroot after
> > creating an ARM chroot, there may be errors about package signing.
> > Just delete the chroot, and try again; it should work.  I believe this
> > hast to do with how we do package signing for imported packages, and
> > not with libretools itself.
> 
> Those errors about package signing are related to different checksums
> between "any" packages synced from Arch (x86) to Parabola and Arch ARM
> to Parabola ARM (armv7h) that are going to the same folder
> (/var/cache/pacman/pkg), now i have the same issue with all chroot
> architectures, also my host system. It is because Arch ARM doesn't syncs
> "any" packages from Arch since their developers build Arch ARM from scratch.
> I suggest a different cache folder for armv7h packages to solve this issue.

Oh! That's good, I didn't realize they were getting re-built.

I think the better solution is to start sharing -any packages between
architectures.  That requires som dbscripts changes, but those are
coming soon anyway.

In the mean time:

The no-code workaround would be to configure pacman.conf:CacheDir to
to something else before working with the ARM chroot, and reset it
after.

The writing-code workaround would be to tack the `-c CACHEDIR` flag
into the arch_nspawn_flags array in librechroot.

I think I'll do the writing-code workaround, then push a new version.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed May 11 23:18:06 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 20:18:06 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160510 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87oa8cjjxd.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87r3daiigy.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <5732E666.8020907@riseup.net> <87oa8cjjxd.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5733BDAE.4060807@riseup.net>

On 05/11/2016 07:42 PM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> I think the better solution is to start sharing -any packages between
> architectures.  That requires som dbscripts changes, but those are
> coming soon anyway.

+1, that's way to solve it.

> The writing-code workaround would be to tack the `-c CACHEDIR` flag
> into the arch_nspawn_flags array in librechroot.

I agree since it's a temporary way to solve our current issue about -any
packages between architectures.

> I think I'll do the writing-code workaround, then push a new version.

ok, let me know when it's available to begin test it from my machine.

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 12 00:13:09 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 20:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160511 release announcement
Message-ID: <87lh3gjfqi.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I just released libretools 20160511 to [libre], and pushed the source
tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.

This is a bugfix release for to version 20160510, which added support
for running ARM chroots on x86 hosts via qemu with binfmt_misc.

Bug fixes from 20160510 to 20160511:
 * librechroot:
   - Work correctly when running natively on ARM.
   - When using qemu to run an ARM chroot on an x86 host:
     - Work correctly if the environment variable CARCH is set.
     - Don't share the package cache with the x86 host, as the 'any'
       packages are rebuilt for ARM, leading to PGP errors.

Pre-requisites to using ARM chroots on x86 hosts:
 - You need the 'binfmt-qemu-static' package (you may need to restart
   systemd-binfmt.service after installing it).

To use an ARM chroot on an x86 host:
 - When creating the chroot, use the `-A` flag to specify armv7h:

       sudo librechroot -A armv7h -n MY_ARM_CHROOT_NAME make 

After that, you should be able to use it normally like any other
chroot with librechroot/libremakepkg.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu May 12 03:32:25 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 00:32:25 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20160511 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87lh3gjfqi.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87lh3gjfqi.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5733F949.8010908@riseup.net>

On 05/11/2016 09:13 PM, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> I just released libretools 20160511 to [libre], and pushed the source
> tarball to <https://repo.parabola.nu/other/libretools/>.
> 
> This is a bugfix release for to version 20160510, which added support
> for running ARM chroots on x86 hosts via qemu with binfmt_misc.
> 
> Bug fixes from 20160510 to 20160511:
>  * librechroot:
>    - Work correctly when running natively on ARM.
>    - When using qemu to run an ARM chroot on an x86 host:
>      - Work correctly if the environment variable CARCH is set.
>      - Don't share the package cache with the x86 host, as the 'any'
>        packages are rebuilt for ARM, leading to PGP errors.
> 
> Pre-requisites to using ARM chroots on x86 hosts:
>  - You need the 'binfmt-qemu-static' package (you may need to restart
>    systemd-binfmt.service after installing it).
> 
> To use an ARM chroot on an x86 host:
>  - When creating the chroot, use the `-A` flag to specify armv7h:
> 
>        sudo librechroot -A armv7h -n MY_ARM_CHROOT_NAME make 
> 
> After that, you should be able to use it normally like any other
> chroot with librechroot/libremakepkg.

Cool, this latest version of Libretools works very well!! thanks lukeshu \o/

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From crazytoon at riseup.net  Thu May 12 16:02:24 2016
From: crazytoon at riseup.net (Crazytoon)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 13:02:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for Parabola
 logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5734A910.40909@riseup.net>

Hi guys, I am writing to you to let you know that since 10 days ago
together with coadde, we saw the need to do an analysis of colorimetry
to reach a perfect harmony of colours for our branding, wallpapers,
cartoons, logos and isotypes.

During this eventuality, we found a small issue in the colours that are
being used for the Parabola logo and other works that follow this
pattern (eg. website).

In that instance, we paid attention the current colour for our logo is a
combination of blue with grey [0], and seen that our community chosen
violet/purple colour for our distro, we would like send our sample
colour that we consider the more appropriate [1][2][3][4], but we would
like to open a consensus to will lead to a proper harmony in shades of
those colours that should be used for our logos, isotypes and characters.

It is also good to note that there are many nuances in all colours, and
therefore also in the violet and purple.

On the other hand, the contrast colour is produced by the modulation of
saturation of a pure tone with white, black, grey, or a complementary
colour, and this is important to analyse in detail so as not to fall
back into the trick of the eye that we had for so long when using the
blue grey tones.

So, i would place it in consensus in order to reach a favourable
decision for Parabola and our community.

Regards,
Crazytoon.

For further details:

* Harmony (color) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_%28color%29
* Basic shapes that make up the colour [in spanish] -
http://www.fotonostra.com/grafico/compositivascolor.htm
* Color effects: Size [in spanish] -
http://www.fotonostra.com/grafico/efectoscolor.htm

[0]:http://www.color-hex.com/color/787dab
[1]:http://www.color-hex.com/color/9864be
[2]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola_blue-vs-violet.svg
[3]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola_blue-vs-violet.svg.png
[4]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/Parabola_Gnu_Linux-libre-violet.svg


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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 12 19:20:15 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 15:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for
 Parabola logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <5734A910.40909@riseup.net>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
	<5734A910.40909@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Thu, 12 May 2016 12:02:24 -0400,
Crazytoon wrote:
> [0]:http://www.color-hex.com/color/787dab (blue)
> [1]:http://www.color-hex.com/color/9864be (violet)

I think that the "violet" is too bright, and would choose the "blue"
(which is still slightly purple, not pure blue and grey) over it.

I would be agreeable to a less bright purple, though.  I think #9A8DD4
[0] is about as bright/red as I'd like to go.

[0]: http://www.color-hex.com/color/9a8dd4

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From nicolasmaia at tutanota.com  Thu May 12 22:06:39 2016
From: nicolasmaia at tutanota.com (nicolasmaia at tutanota.com)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 23:06:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for
 Parabola logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net> <<5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>>
 <5734A910.40909@riseup.net> <<5734A910.40909@riseup.net>>
 <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <KHb-Syo--3-0@tutanota.com>

Luke's proposal sounds like a nice compromise between blue and purple.
I'd just like to see what it would look like, in the logo, before
endorsing it outright.

Nicolas Maia
--
Enviado seguramente pelo Tutanota. Torne sua caixa de correio criptografada 
hoje mesmo!https://tutanota.com

12. Maio 2016 16:20 por lukeshu at sbcglobal.net:


> On Thu, 12 May 2016 12:02:24 -0400,
> Crazytoon wrote:
>> [0]:>> http://www.color-hex.com/color/787dab>>  (blue)
>> [1]:>> http://www.color-hex.com/color/9864be>>  (violet)
>
> I think that the "violet" is too bright, and would choose the "blue"
> (which is still slightly purple, not pure blue and grey) over it.
>
> I would be agreeable to a less bright purple, though.  I think #9A8DD4
> [0] is about as bright/red as I'd like to go.
>
> [0]: > http://www.color-hex.com/color/9a8dd4
>
> --
> Happy hacking,
> ~ Luke Shumaker
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Fri May 13 03:31:07 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 00:31:07 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for
 Parabola logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <KHb-Syo--3-0@tutanota.com>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net> <<5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
 <5734A910.40909@riseup.net> <<5734A910.40909@riseup.net>
 <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <KHb-Syo--3-0@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <57354A7B.9010800@riseup.net>

On 05/12/2016 07:06 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
> Luke's proposal sounds like a nice compromise between blue and purple.
> I'd just like to see what it would look like, in the logo, before
> endorsing it outright.

I prefer our current colour since it combines perfectly with our
branding, and our mascots GNU and Bola, in some words, our current
colour was born to be of Parabola ;)

Otherwise, we save time to change everything in our distro, more KISS
for us :)

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From coadde at riseup.net  Fri May 13 03:49:55 2016
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 00:49:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for
 Parabola logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <57354A7B.9010800@riseup.net>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net> <<5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
 <5734A910.40909@riseup.net> <<5734A910.40909@riseup.net>
 <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <KHb-Syo--3-0@tutanota.com>
 <57354A7B.9010800@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <57354EE3.1090206@riseup.net>

On 05/13/2016 12:31 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/12/2016 07:06 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
>> Luke's proposal sounds like a nice compromise between blue and purple.
>> I'd just like to see what it would look like, in the logo, before
>> endorsing it outright.
> 
> I prefer our current colour since it combines perfectly with our
> branding, and our mascots GNU and Bola, in some words, our current
> colour was born to be of Parabola ;)

+1 i agree with Emulatorman since crazytoon and me have tested a lot of
colours and doesn't combines well with our mascots since they fall
outside stand too.

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From crazytoon at riseup.net  Fri May 13 04:55:53 2016
From: crazytoon at riseup.net (Crazytoon)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 01:55:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-05-19] New colour proposal for
 Parabola logo and branding
In-Reply-To: <57354EE3.1090206@riseup.net>
References: <5734A363.8050309@riseup.net> <<5734A363.8050309@riseup.net>
 <5734A910.40909@riseup.net> <<5734A910.40909@riseup.net>
 <87bn4bjd74.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <KHb-Syo--3-0@tutanota.com>
 <57354A7B.9010800@riseup.net> <57354EE3.1090206@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <57355E59.4020908@riseup.net>

El 13/05/16 a las 00:49, coadde escribi?:
> On 05/13/2016 12:31 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 05/12/2016 07:06 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
>>> Luke's proposal sounds like a nice compromise between blue and purple.
>>> I'd just like to see what it would look like, in the logo, before
>>> endorsing it outright.
>>
>> I prefer our current colour since it combines perfectly with our
>> branding, and our mascots GNU and Bola, in some words, our current
>> colour was born to be of Parabola ;)
> 
> +1 i agree with Emulatorman since crazytoon and me have tested a lot of
> colours and doesn't combines well with our mascots since they fall
> outside stand too.

After making a new analysis more in detail, by interacting colour logo
type with our mascots, and although always emphasis to highlight the
purple colour in all wallpapers, branding that were done, I have come to
the conclusion just as coadde and Emulatorman did, that in some words,
we should remain with the initial colour with which so far has used.

As can be seen in this second material we sent you, from my point of
view it is evident that the colour logo should not compete with the
characters, and vice-versa. Perhaps a proof that there is an implicit
harmony in this form of interaction of colours, is the unanimous
acceptance of the our community that we have witnessed so far.

In another sense, with respect to the development of wallpapers,
cartoons, branding, etc, in art there is what is commonly called "poetic
license" which allows us, in a sense, of course respecting the main
bases of artistic development, it allows us to cite one example, make
wallpapers with the logo of Parabola flying among the clouds with light
shades of bright colours in the logo, which enhances more the spectacle
of a beautiful sunset.

Therefore, and despite my constant preoccupation with violet tones, I
must admit that it may be better let the current color composition as so
far been used always in our distro.

Regards,
Crazytoon

P.S: I'm sending you our analysis more in detail made by coadde and me
about the colours in our logo and mascots. [0][1][2]

[0]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola_colours.svg
[1]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola_colours.svg.png
[2]:https://repo.parabola.nu/other/artwork/parabola_colours.txt

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat May 14 10:24:28 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 10:24:28 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [openrc] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160514102428.521.51232@parabola.nu>

c2165822 at trbvn.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* openrc 0.20.4-1.1 [pcr] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/armv7h/openrc/
* openrc 0.20.5-2 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/openrc/
* openrc 0.20.5-2 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/openrc/


The user provided the following additional text:

openrc Maintainer,
the patch file "use-optional-modules-load-d.patch" is outdated and the sha256sum doesn't match. Maybe you forgot to upload the new version.

Thank you for giving us a better alternative to systemd on Parabola. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.



From ovruni at gnu.org.pe  Sat May 14 19:41:17 2016
From: ovruni at gnu.org.pe (Omar Vega Ramos)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 14:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [openrc] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20160514102428.521.51232@parabola.nu>
References: <20160514102428.521.51232@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <57377F5D.8070207@gnu.org.pe>

Hello, we are using openrc from Manjaro[0]. The result of "makepkg -g"
is the same of the PKGBUILD.

[0] https://github.com/manjaro/packages-openrc/blob/master/openrc

-- 
Omar Vega Ramos
GPG ID: 6D5DBA58


From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 18 15:01:25 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:01:25 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [qgis] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160518150125.7820.3498@parabola.nu>

enneric at valmorin.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* qgis 2.12.3-1.parabola1 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/qgis/
* qgis 2.12.3-1.parabola1 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/qgis/


The user provided the following additional text:

Hello,

QGIS 2.14 Essen has been released

https://qgis.org/en/site/forusers/visualchangelog214/index.html
https://qgis.org/downloads/qgis-2.14.2.tar.bz2



From ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com  Thu May 19 00:06:52 2016
From: ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com (Bruno Cichon)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 02:06:52 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
Message-ID: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com>


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Can we add GNU Hurd  kernel for Parabola ?

There are http://www.archhurd.org/.
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From nicolasmaia at tutanota.com  Thu May 19 00:08:35 2016
From: nicolasmaia at tutanota.com (nicolasmaia at tutanota.com)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 01:08:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>

Relevant for this discussion: the recently reactivated Arch Hurd project 
http://www.archhurd.org

Nicolas Maia
--
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18. Maio 2016 21:06 por ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com:


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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Thu May 19 00:11:39 2016
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 19:11:39 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com> <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <1463616699.1557.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le mer. 18 mai 2016 ? 19:08, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com a ?crit :
> Relevant for this discussion: the recently reactivated Arch Hurd 
> project http://www.archhurd.org

That link was also provided in the OP ;)



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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu May 19 00:14:49 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 21:14:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com> <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
Message-ID: <573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>

On 05/18/2016 09:08 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
> Relevant for this discussion: the recently reactivated Arch Hurd project
> http://www.archhurd.org <http://www.archhurd.org/>

I suggest open a consensus about it

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu May 19 00:37:04 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 21:37:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com> <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
 <573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <573D0AB0.9010205@riseup.net>

On 05/18/2016 09:14 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 05/18/2016 09:08 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
>> Relevant for this discussion: the recently reactivated Arch Hurd project
>> http://www.archhurd.org <http://www.archhurd.org/>
> 
> I suggest open a consensus about it

Since my point of view, it's a interesting project for our distro
because there are just 568 packages to be synced from ArchHurd and there
are lot of them that comes from GNU project; we should rebrand them and
remove nonfree stuff from the non-gnu packages, however it should be
discussed under consensus because we need a libretools for it (or
anything else) first.

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From nicolasmaia at tutanota.com  Thu May 19 00:41:52 2016
From: nicolasmaia at tutanota.com (nicolasmaia at tutanota.com)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 01:41:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <573D0AB0.9010205@riseup.net>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com> <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
 <<KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>> <573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>
 <<573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>> <573D0AB0.9010205@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <KI5SXBc--3-0@tutanota.com>

Does anyone here have experience with/knowledge about Hurd to undertake the 
project?

Nicolas Maia
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18. Maio 2016 21:37 por emulatorman at riseup.net:


> On 05/18/2016 09:14 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 05/18/2016 09:08 PM, >> nicolasmaia at tutanota.com>>  wrote:
>>> Relevant for this discussion: the recently reactivated Arch Hurd project
>>> http://www.archhurd.org>>>  <>>> http://www.archhurd.org>>> >
>>
>> I suggest open a consensus about it
>
> Since my point of view, it's a interesting project for our distro
> because there are just 568 packages to be synced from ArchHurd and there
> are lot of them that comes from GNU project; we should rebrand them and
> remove nonfree stuff from the non-gnu packages, however it should be
> discussed under consensus because we need a libretools for it (or
> anything else) first.
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu May 19 01:10:05 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:10:05 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola/Hurd
In-Reply-To: <KI5SXBc--3-0@tutanota.com>
References: <573D039B.4050208@gmail.com> <KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com>
 <<KI5Kui9--3-0@tutanota.com> <573D0579.9050502@riseup.net>
 <<573D0579.9050502@riseup.net> <573D0AB0.9010205@riseup.net>
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On 05/18/2016 09:41 PM, nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wrote:
> Does anyone here have experience with/knowledge about Hurd to undertake
> the project?

I can help with Hurd kernel since my particular field in computing are
kernels :P

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From alfplayer at mailoo.org  Fri May 20 14:25:01 2016
From: alfplayer at mailoo.org (Esteban Carnevale)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 11:25:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Purpose of both Parabola servers
Message-ID: <573F1E3D.8070706@mailoo.org>

What will be the purpose of both Parabola servers? Some hackers have
been migrating services/data to the new one.

The current server needs an urgent RAM upgrade. Should RAM be upgraded?
Even if only repo or Labs is migrated, it still needs more RAM.


-- 
Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org>




From powers at copper.net  Fri May 20 18:34:16 2016
From: powers at copper.net (Carl & Kim)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 12:34:16 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Compliments & Suggestions
Message-ID: <86512ccf-e70f-fafc-a68e-6e85a1da140a@copper.net>

First, let me say that I don't know is the right place to be as I'm not 
a developer or hacker - just a long time linux user, distro junkie, and 
desktop junkie.  Looked for forums, but didn't find them.

I wish to compliment all of the real developers, packagers, etc who have 
created Parabola.  I found it by accident while searching distrowatch 
for free linux distros.

I have downloaded and installed the 16.03 Mate iso and must say I am 
quite pleased with the results.  Only hiccup was having to look up the 
systemd command to start X automatically on bootup.  Could that be added 
to the installation?  So far it seems much better than other free 
versions I have tried (gNewsense, Trisquel, Blag) - more complete and up 
to date.  I like that is based on Arch and it's rolling release cycle.

I don't know if this 16.03 edition is an official or testing release as 
it is not listed on distrowatch but it does seem like it's at least 
ready for prime time testing.  Your distrowatch listing is sadly out of 
date, not having been updated since 2012. May I suggest the listing be 
upgraded to get you more exposure, and hopefully, help.

Again, my compliments to you.  Keep up the good work.

Carl

> dev at list.parabola.nuuite



From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May 20 21:27:55 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 21:27:55 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-lts] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160520212755.1559.67291@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-lts 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-docs/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-headers/
* linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.10_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-headers/


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From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri May 20 21:28:06 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 21:28:06 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160520212806.1559.26399@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.5.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Sat May 21 03:48:15 2016
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 05:48:15 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Should we have a parabola image on docker hub?
Message-ID: <8737pcm5q8.fsf@hackers.camp>

Hello mates!

Since we have docker in our community repo, I have get time to have a
deeper look to that technology.

The point is that docker is really efficient and powerfull solution that
use image from its hub. https://hub.docker.com/explore/

If you get time to have a look there, you will see that some distro
start to have their image.

It is free in price to create one repository, I do not know if it is
free as in freedom (at this time), but if it is we could have a parabola
image over there :-)

-- 
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From korobkov at fryxell.info  Sat May 21 10:53:26 2016
From: korobkov at fryxell.info (Andrey Korobkov)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 14:53:26 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Should we have a parabola image on docker hub?
In-Reply-To: <8737pcm5q8.fsf@hackers.camp>
References: <8737pcm5q8.fsf@hackers.camp>
Message-ID: <E1b44XV-0004XF-Kg@mx.fryxell.info>

Hello all!

I also wanted to ask someone to make Parabola docker container: as a Free Software developer,
I already use only free development tools, and would be glad to have a fully free testing environment for my programs.

Now I'm using Trisquel semi-official docker image (https://hub.docker.com/r/kpengboy/trisquel/).
Semi-official because the Trisquel project still didn't give it an official status (would be nice to have).
May be Parabola team could make their image fully offical?

Also, the docker hub isn't the only registry out there: there is also much more nice and powerful registry here: https://quay.io/
One of their main advantages is regular automatic testing of stored images for vulerabilities (https://blog.quay.io/quay-secscanner-clair1/).
Others are support of rkt containers (much more secure and isolated than docker ones, see https://coreos.com/rkt/),
support for Gitlab (instead of github only at docker hub),
multiple parallel builds for several images (versus only one at docker hub) and colorful badges for image statuses (ready/building/failed).

It also could be a place to host the parabola docker image.
They offer free unlimited public images and ask for payments only if someone want private ones.
I myself already use this service (https://quay.io/repository/korobkov/trisquel-chruby and similar)
and could definitely advice it to others.

---
Andrey Korobkov


On Sat, 21 May 2016 05:48:15 +0200
aurelien <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:

> Hello mates!
> 
> Since we have docker in our community repo, I have get time to have a
> deeper look to that technology.
> 
> The point is that docker is really efficient and powerfull solution that
> use image from its hub. https://hub.docker.com/explore/
> 
> If you get time to have a look there, you will see that some distro
> start to have their image.
> 
> It is free in price to create one repository, I do not know if it is
> free as in freedom (at this time), but if it is we could have a parabola
> image over there :-)
> 
> -- 
> Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat May 21 17:10:26 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 14:10:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Purpose of both Parabola servers
In-Reply-To: <573F1E3D.8070706@mailoo.org>
References: <573F1E3D.8070706@mailoo.org>
Message-ID: <57409682.3000207@riseup.net>

On 05/20/2016 11:25 AM, Esteban Carnevale wrote:
> What will be the purpose of both Parabola servers? Some hackers have
> been migrating services/data to the new one.

1984 Hosting Company gave us a new server with higher specs in the
privacy respecting datacenters of Iceland. This server has better
memory, cores and disk space than our current one. Also we have access
through the option "pull the plug" from our login account in the 1984's
webpage since it is very important to solve critical cases as a kernel
panic.

Here are the specifications:
----------------------
Location:	Reykjav?k, Iceland

RAM:		4608 MB

CPUs:		8

Disk space:	524288 MB
----------------------

I suggest use the new one as main server and the old one as mirror and
put a parabola.nu subdomain for it (eg. mirror.parabola.nu). Also
isacdaavid told to us that we could also start to implement Gaming4JC's
idea of tiered mirrors with it.

> The current server needs an urgent RAM upgrade. Should RAM be upgraded?

I think so since a mirror needs RAM.


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat May 21 17:50:47 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 14:50:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola's Final Budget for FISL17
In-Reply-To: <572A5B4C.9010505@openmailbox.org>
References: <5729A912.9010000@riseup.net> <572A5B4C.9010505@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <57409FF7.5060409@riseup.net>

On 05/04/2016 05:27 PM, Luke wrote:
> I think that USA can print them cheaper. I will need to send a demo to
> the printers to have them estimate it.

I think so, USA is the way to make professional stickers to take to FISL17.

> Looking over the tar file, I think the best two for stickers would be:
> 
> Logo with Text:
> parabola_logotype-parabola+gnu+bolaOfficialLogotype-parabolaGnu+linuxlibre-default+blackText_rx_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> 
> Or just the logo:
> parabola_symbol-parabola+gnu+bolaOfficialLogotype-default_rx_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> 
> If one or both of those is what we would like printed, let me know and I
> can get some estimates with various printers and determine cost for 500.

I think we could use both for the stickers, could you let us know what
is the cost for 500 stickers (250 for mascots/logo with text and 250 for
just mascots/logo)?

Otherwise, we could consider sell them and refund again to Parabola to
recover part of the expenses are being made by the Parabola
participation at FISL17, what do you think?

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat May 21 20:20:26 2016
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 17:20:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Should we have a parabola image on docker hub?
In-Reply-To: <E1b44XV-0004XF-Kg@mx.fryxell.info>
References: <8737pcm5q8.fsf@hackers.camp> <E1b44XV-0004XF-Kg@mx.fryxell.info>
Message-ID: <87oa7zxiwl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andrey Korobkov <korobkov at fryxell.info> writes:

> [ Unknown signature status ] Hello all!  I also wanted to ask someone
>to make Parabola docker container: as a Free Software developer, I
>already use only free development tools, and would be glad to have a
>fully free testing environment for my programs.

do you know how to create all these containers? are you willing to do it
for parabola? :D

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Sat May 21 20:35:24 2016
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Should we have a parabola image on docker hub?
In-Reply-To: <E1b44XV-0004XF-Kg@mx.fryxell.info>
References: <8737pcm5q8.fsf@hackers.camp> <E1b44XV-0004XF-Kg@mx.fryxell.info>
Message-ID: <1463862924.5121.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le sam. 21 mai 2016 ? 5:53, Andrey Korobkov <korobkov at fryxell.info> a 
?crit :
> 
> I also wanted to ask someone to make Parabola docker container: as a 
> Free Software developer,
> I already use only free development tools, and would be glad to have 
> a fully free testing environment for my programs.
> 
> Now I'm using Trisquel semi-official docker image 
> (https://hub.docker.com/r/kpengboy/trisquel/).
> Semi-official because the Trisquel project still didn't give it an 
> official status (would be nice to have).
> May be Parabola team could make their image fully offical?

> On Sat, 21 May 2016 05:48:15 +0200
> aurelien <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>> 
>>  It is free in price to create one repository, I do not know if it is
>>  free as in freedom (at this time), but if it is we could have a 
>> parabola
>>  image over there :-)

Docker Hub perpetuates the usual freedom issue of software
repositories: it distributes non-libre software. That probably
explains why Trisquel doesn't endorse the particular docker
container on that site.

The libreplanet-discuss mailing list has touched the possibility
of creating a liberated docker repository,[1] in the same spirit
of libre distros like Parabola, and as part of what would be a
wider effort to provide FSDG-compliant repositories for
programming language package managers.[2]

I don't use Docker. I'm personally satisfied with our ISO images,
but of course I don't object to the mere creation of a Parabola
container for Docker. I just don't think Parabola should endorse
the Docker repository.

[1]: 
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2016-04/threads.html#00103
[2]: 
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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Sat May 21 22:06:13 2016
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 18:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Custom GNU/Linux Stickers for Parabola
Message-ID: <5740DBD5.1020902@openmailbox.org>

Hello FSF Store Team,
I am contacting you on behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre (CC'ed in this
e-mail). I know that the FSF store currently has custom shape stickers
for Replicant, GNU, etc. We would like to have some custom stickers for
FISL17, and thought you may be able to help print them or know someone
who can. If this is not the correct e-mail address, please forward to
appropriate personnel.

We are looking at 5" stickers for laptops, etc. but size can vary.
(Let us know if you would recommend a specific size.)

If possible we would like the stickers to be custom shape and be
transparent so that the logo can be seen properly.

If you are able to make stickers, please let us know an estimate for the
following 3 stickers:

1) https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/a6/Parabola_blacktext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
2) https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/0/0a/Parabola_whitetext%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png
3) https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/a/aa/Logo%2Bgnu%2Bbola.png

We are looking at 500 copies of each and pricing estimate as we will be
relying on donations to
pay for the order.

Thank you for your time and concern.


Sincerely,
Luke


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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 22 23:13:52 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 19:13:52 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Compliments & Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <86512ccf-e70f-fafc-a68e-6e85a1da140a@copper.net>
References: <86512ccf-e70f-fafc-a68e-6e85a1da140a@copper.net>
Message-ID: <8760u5it3j.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Fri, 20 May 2016 14:34:16 -0400,
Carl & Kim wrote:
> First, let me say that I don't know is the right place to be as I'm
> not a developer or hacker - just a long time linux user, distro
> junkie, and desktop junkie.  Looked for forums, but didn't find them.

This is as good a place as any.

We've discussed having forums from time to time, but have decided that
the mailing lists and IRC are good enough for now.

> I wish to compliment all of the real developers, packagers, etc who
> have created Parabola.  I found it by accident while searching
> distrowatch for free linux distros.
> 
> I have downloaded and installed the 16.03 Mate iso and must say I am
> quite pleased with the results.  Only hiccup was having to look up the
> systemd command to start X automatically on bootup.  Could that be
> added to the installation?

What do you mean by that?  To the default install?  Or to the install
documentation?

> So far it seems much better than other
> free versions I have tried (gNewsense, Trisquel, Blag) - more complete
> and up to date.  I like that is based on Arch and it's rolling release
> cycle.


> I don't know if this 16.03 edition is an official or testing release
> as it is not listed on distrowatch but it does seem like it's at least
> ready for prime time testing.

Yes, it is an official release.

> Your distrowatch listing is sadly out
> of date, not having been updated since 2012. May I suggest the listing
> be upgraded to get you more exposure, and hopefully, help.

Yes, we've tried, but distrowatch has proven difficult to work with.

> Again, my compliments to you.  Keep up the good work.

Thank you!

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 22 23:24:35 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 19:24:35 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [announcement] https://repomirror.parabola.nu/
Message-ID: <874m9pislo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Hi guys,

I think I've discussed it forever.  But I finally got around to
implementing it: <https://repomirror.parabola.nu/>.

If you put it in your mirrorlist, it will automatically redirect you
to a mirror that has synced recently enough to have the package you
are looking for.  For .db files, it always sends you to
repo.parabola.nu (that is, it always gives you the most up-to-date
version).

It is my hope that this will help load-balance between mirrors, while
also allowing users to not have to worry about a mirror being
out-of-date.

For mirror selection, it checks the parabolaweb mirror status database
(<https://www.parabola.nu/mirrors/status/json>) and randomly chooses
from mirrors with a lastsync timestamp newer than the ctime of the
file you are looking for, and falls back to <repo.parabola.nu>. It
also knows to only use repo.parabola.nu for files that don't get
rsync'ed.

For future improvements, it could consider mirror speed (as determined
by parabolaweb), or use GeoIP to weight higher mirrors that are closer
to you, et c.

It hasn't been thoroughly tested yet.  Let me know of any issues you
find!

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From franco.masotti at student.unife.it  Mon May 23 15:44:36 2016
From: franco.masotti at student.unife.it (Franco Masotti)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:44:36 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [announcement] https://repomirror.parabola.nu/
In-Reply-To: <874m9pislo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <874m9pislo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20160523154436.GA2517@pc-mini-2>

Great,

it works for me.
First I updated the system as usual, then I added the following in the 
mirrorlist:

```
Server = https://repomirror.parabola.nu/$repo/os/$arch
```

And I updated again. 4 packages were outdated. pacman scanned through the 
mirrorlist to find the first mirror that had the correct version of the 
package. So after some 404s, all the packages were found and the system updated 
correctly.

Cheers.

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 07:24:35PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I think I've discussed it forever.  But I finally got around to
> implementing it: <https://repomirror.parabola.nu/>.
> 
> If you put it in your mirrorlist, it will automatically redirect you
> to a mirror that has synced recently enough to have the package you
> are looking for.  For .db files, it always sends you to
> repo.parabola.nu (that is, it always gives you the most up-to-date
> version).
> 
> It is my hope that this will help load-balance between mirrors, while
> also allowing users to not have to worry about a mirror being
> out-of-date.
> 
> For mirror selection, it checks the parabolaweb mirror status database
> (<https://www.parabola.nu/mirrors/status/json>) and randomly chooses
> from mirrors with a lastsync timestamp newer than the ctime of the
> file you are looking for, and falls back to <repo.parabola.nu>. It
> also knows to only use repo.parabola.nu for files that don't get
> rsync'ed.
> 
> For future improvements, it could consider mirror speed (as determined
> by parabolaweb), or use GeoIP to weight higher mirrors that are closer
> to you, et c.
> 
> It hasn't been thoroughly tested yet.  Let me know of any issues you
> find!
> 
> -- 
> Happy hacking,
> ~ Luke Shumaker
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
Franco Masotti
My public key fingerprint: F13C 27D7 EDF0 4F7C 0A9F  1244 9A11 29F0 4019 6B95
Get my public key like this: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 40196B95
Use Parabola GNU/Linux-libre: <https://www.parabola.nu>
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 23 16:18:07 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 12:18:07 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [announcement] https://repomirror.parabola.nu/
In-Reply-To: <20160523154436.GA2517@pc-mini-2>
References: <874m9pislo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <20160523154436.GA2517@pc-mini-2>
Message-ID: <871t4siw8w.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:44:36 -0400,
Franco Masotti wrote:
> First I updated the system as usual, then I added the following in the 
> mirrorlist:
> 
> ```
> Server = https://repomirror.parabola.nu/$repo/os/$arch
> ```
> 
> And I updated again. 4 packages were outdated. pacman scanned through the 
> mirrorlist to find the first mirror that had the correct version of the 
> package. So after some 404s, all the packages were found and the system updated 
> correctly.

repomirror shouldn't have directed you to a mirror that didn't have
the correct version.

I believe that this is because it was resolving symbolic links when
checking the ctime of files--I've adjusted it to not resolve them;
this should not happen anymore.

Also, it appears that https://parabola.isacdaavid.info:8081/ is just
301'ing everying to repo.parabola.nu.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From franco.masotti at student.unife.it  Mon May 23 18:37:46 2016
From: franco.masotti at student.unife.it (Franco Masotti)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:37:46 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [announcement] https://repomirror.parabola.nu/
In-Reply-To: <871t4siw8w.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <874m9pislo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <20160523154436.GA2517@pc-mini-2>
 <871t4siw8w.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20160523183746.GA504@ppc>

Ok Luke,

I tested it on another PC with the exact same procedure as before. Now I 
don't get the warning messages, so I guess you've fixed the 
problem.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:18:07PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:44:36 -0400,
> Franco Masotti wrote:
> > First I updated the system as usual, then I added the following in the 
> > mirrorlist:
> > 
> > ```
> > Server = https://repomirror.parabola.nu/$repo/os/$arch
> > ```
> > 
> > And I updated again. 4 packages were outdated. pacman scanned through the 
> > mirrorlist to find the first mirror that had the correct version of the 
> > package. So after some 404s, all the packages were found and the system updated 
> > correctly.
> 
> repomirror shouldn't have directed you to a mirror that didn't have
> the correct version.
> 
> I believe that this is because it was resolving symbolic links when
> checking the ctime of files--I've adjusted it to not resolve them;
> this should not happen anymore.
> 
> Also, it appears that https://parabola.isacdaavid.info:8081/ is just
> 301'ing everying to repo.parabola.nu.
> 
> -- 
> Happy hacking,
> ~ Luke Shumaker

-- 
Franco Masotti
Tox ID (voip): 9D855839E4BB0ADBF4F49063BF2ABC1479A7728011F20B563EA104B2EE10FF19DC8C255D8F3D
My public key fingerprint: F13C 27D7 EDF0 4F7C 0A9F  1244 9A11 29F0 4019 6B95
Get my public key like this: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 40196B95
Use Parabola GNU/Linux-libre: <https://www.parabola.nu>
Use Replicant ROM: <http://www.replicant.us/>
Use GNUpot: <https://github.com/frnmst/gnupot>
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From rubinstein at onionmail.info  Wed May 25 12:07:59 2016
From: rubinstein at onionmail.info (GM Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:07:59 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Compliments & Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <8760u5it3j.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <86512ccf-e70f-fafc-a68e-6e85a1da140a@copper.net>
 <8760u5it3j.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <ni44iv$mk3$1@ger.gmane.org>

Parabola is effing awesome



From rubinstein at onionmail.info  Wed May 25 12:12:47 2016
From: rubinstein at onionmail.info (GM Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:12:47 +0000
Subject: [Dev] wiki categories improved
In-Reply-To: <ndhejp$66g$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <ndhejp$66g$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <ni44rv$mk3$2@ger.gmane.org>

good job!



From nobody at parabola.nu  Wed May 25 21:58:07 2016
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 21:58:07 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [aseprite] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20160525215807.27249.64280@parabola.nu>

elcorreo at deshackra.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* aseprite 0.9.5-3 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/aseprite/
* aseprite 0.9.5-3 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/aseprite/


The user provided the following additional text:

I need to update this package lol



From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 31 21:42:58 2016
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 17:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Mirror parabolagnulinux.mirrors.linux.ro isn't syncing.
Message-ID: <8760ttx5st.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Daniel,

The information I have says that parabolagnulinux.mirrors.linux.ro
should be syncing every two hours, but it hasn't synced since January.

Just letting you know.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker
Parabola GNU/Linux-libre