From nobody at parabola.nu Fri Jul 1 01:33:58 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 01:33:58 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-l10n-es-ar] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160701013358.1745.38235@parabola.nu> eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * iceweasel-l10n-ach 1:47.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ach/ * iceweasel-l10n-af 1:47.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-af/ * iceweasel-l10n-an 1:47.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-an/ * iceweasel-l10n-ar 1:47.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-ar/ * iceweasel-l10n-as 1:47.0.deb1-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-l10n-as/ * iceweasel-l10n-ast 1:47.0.deb1-1 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From lkcl at lkcl.net Fri Jul 1 04:40:16 2016 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 05:40:16 +0100 Subject: [Dev] fbturbo xorg driver up and running on eoma68-a20 computer card Message-ID: following the instructions here http://linux-sunxi.org/Xorg#fbturbo_driver i managed to adapt them for parabola with the following command: pacman -S xorg-xrandr xorg-util-macros xorg-server-devel xorg-utils libtool automake this enabled me to get the required build dependencies such that the g2d acceleration now works in xorg. btw we're now live with the crowdfunding campaign so if anyone's interested they can help fund the project. naturally, anyone helping fund the libre tea computer card will have an xorg server with the g2d-accelerated fbturbo driver preinstalled :) l. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 From fauno at endefensadelsl.org Fri Jul 1 05:48:51 2016 From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 02:48:51 -0300 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> Message-ID: <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > basically what i'm saying, is, do consider putting chromium into > the parabola repository (if it isn't being considered already?) and > i know that the debian team has already done the patches needed to > remove the advertising and privacy-violating features that are > considered to be acceptable by google, so *that* won't be a huge > effort either. back when chromium was blacklisted in parabola and other libre distro it was about uncertainty on the licensing of at least one source file, maybe that has been solved by now? i can't recall the details, but it should be documented on our mail archive or gnu-linux-libre's -- :O -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 584 bytes Desc: not available URL: From emulatorman at riseup.net Fri Jul 1 12:50:46 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:50:46 -0300 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> On 07/01/2016 02:48 AM, fauno wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: >> basically what i'm saying, is, do consider putting chromium into >> the parabola repository (if it isn't being considered already?) and >> i know that the debian team has already done the patches needed to >> remove the advertising and privacy-violating features that are >> considered to be acceptable by google, so *that* won't be a huge >> effort either. > > back when chromium was blacklisted in parabola and other libre distro it > was about uncertainty on the licensing of at least one source file, > maybe that has been solved by now? i can't recall the details, but it > should be documented on our mail archive or gnu-linux-libre's We should consider if Debian from its patches removes recommendation/support to non-Free add-ons from chromium. Firefox is a perfect case that recommends/supports non-Free add-ons and Debian doesn't uses FSF directory to solve it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lkcl at lkcl.net Fri Jul 1 16:14:23 2016 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:14:23 +0100 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:48 AM, fauno wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: >> basically what i'm saying, is, do consider putting chromium into >> the parabola repository (if it isn't being considered already?) and >> i know that the debian team has already done the patches needed to >> remove the advertising and privacy-violating features that are >> considered to be acceptable by google, so *that* won't be a huge >> effort either. > > back when chromium was blacklisted in parabola and other libre distro it > was about uncertainty on the licensing of at least one source file, > maybe that has been solved by now? i can't recall the details, but it > should be documented on our mail archive or gnu-linux-libre's google "copyright_check.py" and you'll find a program that provides automated checking of the copyright on files. it works out discrepancies - what's missing, what's not been properly listed etc. it's an O(N^3) algorithm so WATCH OUT!! :) if anyone can think of how to do what it does without it being O(N^3) that would be reaaally good.... l. From eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org Sat Jul 2 03:50:09 2016 From: eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org (Eliot Reyna) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> Message-ID: <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> Exist a simple solution to "put back" to Chromium: include Iridium into the Parabola repo (is recommended by the FSF into the FSD instead of Chromium, and the development is focused to respect the privacy excluding all presence of Google intrusive tools and/or another licensing issues). Remember that Chromium and Iridium are based on modified BSD license, and maybe an "exorcism" could be needed to make effective into the FSDG. El 01/07/2016 a las 07:50 a.m., Andr? Silva escribi?: > On 07/01/2016 02:48 AM, fauno wrote: >> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: >>> basically what i'm saying, is, do consider putting chromium into >>> the parabola repository (if it isn't being considered already?) and >>> i know that the debian team has already done the patches needed to >>> remove the advertising and privacy-violating features that are >>> considered to be acceptable by google, so *that* won't be a huge >>> effort either. >> back when chromium was blacklisted in parabola and other libre distro it >> was about uncertainty on the licensing of at least one source file, >> maybe that has been solved by now? i can't recall the details, but it >> should be documented on our mail archive or gnu-linux-libre's > We should consider if Debian from its patches removes > recommendation/support to non-Free add-ons from chromium. Firefox is a > perfect case that recommends/supports non-Free add-ons and Debian > doesn't uses FSF directory to solve it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > Dev at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fauno at endefensadelsl.org Sat Jul 2 17:25:16 2016 From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 14:25:16 -0300 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: <87r3bc2br7.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Eliot Reyna writes: > Exist a simple solution to "put back" to Chromium: include Iridium into > the Parabola repo (is recommended by the FSF into the FSD instead of > Chromium, and the development is focused to respect the privacy > excluding all presence of Google intrusive tools and/or another > licensing issues). > > Remember that Chromium and Iridium are based on modified BSD license, > and maybe an "exorcism" could be needed to make effective into the FSDG. this is the gnu-linux-libre thread i was refering to: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-03/msg00023.html if iridium removed these issues too, +1 for inclusion in repos -- :{ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <87r3bc2br7.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> <87r3bc2br7.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: <29428410-0009-e348-b743-09e90612c948@riseup.net> On 07/02/2016 02:25 PM, fauno wrote: > Eliot Reyna writes: > >> Exist a simple solution to "put back" to Chromium: include Iridium into >> the Parabola repo (is recommended by the FSF into the FSD instead of >> Chromium, and the development is focused to respect the privacy >> excluding all presence of Google intrusive tools and/or another >> licensing issues). >> >> Remember that Chromium and Iridium are based on modified BSD license, >> and maybe an "exorcism" could be needed to make effective into the FSDG. > > this is the gnu-linux-libre thread i was refering to: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-03/msg00023.html > > if iridium removed these issues too, +1 for inclusion in repos +1, however i could repackage a libre version of iridium to link add-ons repository at FSF directory -> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Iridium -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Silva wrote: > On 07/02/2016 02:25 PM, fauno wrote: >> Eliot Reyna writes: >> >>> Exist a simple solution to "put back" to Chromium: include Iridium into >>> the Parabola repo (is recommended by the FSF into the FSD instead of >>> Chromium, and the development is focused to respect the privacy >>> excluding all presence of Google intrusive tools and/or another >>> licensing issues). >>> >>> Remember that Chromium and Iridium are based on modified BSD license, >>> and maybe an "exorcism" could be needed to make effective into the FSDG. >> >> this is the gnu-linux-libre thread i was refering to: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-03/msg00023.html >> >> if iridium removed these issues too, +1 for inclusion in repos > > +1, however i could repackage a libre version of iridium to link add-ons > repository at FSF directory -> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Iridium Even, we should remove Google, Yahoo and Bing search engines as we did in Parabola with our browsers such as IceCat and Iceweasel. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Silva wrote: >> On 07/02/2016 02:25 PM, fauno wrote: >>> Eliot Reyna writes: >>> >>>> Exist a simple solution to "put back" to Chromium: include Iridium into >>>> the Parabola repo (is recommended by the FSF into the FSD instead of >>>> Chromium, and the development is focused to respect the privacy >>>> excluding all presence of Google intrusive tools and/or another >>>> licensing issues). >>>> >>>> Remember that Chromium and Iridium are based on modified BSD license, >>>> and maybe an "exorcism" could be needed to make effective into the FSDG. >>> >>> this is the gnu-linux-libre thread i was refering to: >>> >>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-03/msg00023.html >>> >>> if iridium removed these issues too, +1 for inclusion in repos >> >> +1, however i could repackage a libre version of iridium to link add-ons >> repository at FSF directory -> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Iridium > > Even, we should remove Google, Yahoo and Bing search engines as we did > in Parabola with our browsers such as IceCat and Iceweasel. Now i'm checking iridium source and i paid attention that it contains nonfree stuff such as Adobe Flash, see https://git.iridiumbrowser.de/cgit.cgi/iridium-browser/tree/third_party/adobe/README.chromium -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From niitotantei at riseup.net Sat Jul 2 20:46:38 2016 From: niitotantei at riseup.net (Daniel Milewski) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 22:46:38 +0200 Subject: [Dev] status of icecat for armv7h? In-Reply-To: <83c17e2f-a7ff-0006-53f1-0c2e29aecc0c@riseup.net> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> <87r3bc2br7.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <29428410-0009-e348-b743-09e90612c948@riseup.net> <12022c11-fa54-1414-2c4d-adfe4293ab1b@riseup.net> <83c17e2f-a7ff-0006-53f1-0c2e29aecc0c@riseup.net> Message-ID: <1467492398.1010.5.camel@riseup.net> > Now i'm checking iridium source and i paid attention that it contains > nonfree stuff such as Adobe Flash, see > https://git.iridiumbrowser.de/cgit.cgi/iridium-browser/tree/third_par > ty/adobe/README.chromium Assuming that the copyright notices are correct, there is no non-free code in the surrounding directory and its subdirectory. -- Daniel Milewski GPG key ID: 8D43A4A1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1467492398.1010.5.camel@riseup.net> References: <1466361769.2956.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <8760splxh8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <2a6caeff-dad4-7c52-e310-ee5ace77537c@riseup.net> <7c8a4ad4-47ca-0a74-8229-8bc94fd1bf68@openmailbox.org> <87r3bc2br7.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <29428410-0009-e348-b743-09e90612c948@riseup.net> <12022c11-fa54-1414-2c4d-adfe4293ab1b@riseup.net> <83c17e2f-a7ff-0006-53f1-0c2e29aecc0c@riseup.net> <1467492398.1010.5.camel@riseup.net> Message-ID: <88db06f8-0010-4acd-142b-a8217c4a6206@riseup.net> On 07/02/2016 05:46 PM, Daniel Milewski wrote: >> Now i'm checking iridium source and i paid attention that it contains >> nonfree stuff such as Adobe Flash, see >> https://git.iridiumbrowser.de/cgit.cgi/iridium-browser/tree/third_par >> ty/adobe/README.chromium > > Assuming that the copyright notices are correct, there is no non-free > code in the surrounding directory and its subdirectory. 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Give it a try. From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jul 5 06:02:05 2016 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 07:02:05 +0100 Subject: [Dev] fbturbo xorg driver up and running on eoma68-a20 computer card In-Reply-To: <1467697198.6062.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> References: <1467697198.6062.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> Message-ID: awesome! willdo --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Isaac David wrote: > I pushed a proper package called xf86-video-fbturbo-git > to the [pcr] repository. Give it a try. > From lkcl at lkcl.net Tue Jul 5 12:06:57 2016 From: lkcl at lkcl.net (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 13:06:57 +0100 Subject: [Dev] fbturbo xorg driver up and running on eoma68-a20 computer card In-Reply-To: References: <1467697198.6062.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> Message-ID: seems to work absolutely fine, isaac. that was a nice unexpected surprise, i was happy to just install from source :) --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > awesome! willdo > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Isaac David wrote: >> I pushed a proper package called xf86-video-fbturbo-git >> to the [pcr] repository. Give it a try. >> From fauno at endefensadelsl.org Tue Jul 5 17:44:22 2016 From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:44:22 -0300 Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] FFmpeg 3.1.1 rebuild Message-ID: <8737noyo7d.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> fyi -- }(:= -------------------- Start of forwarded message -------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:41:35 +0000 From: "Maxime Gauduin" To: arch-dev-public at archlinux.org Subject: [arch-dev-public] FFmpeg 3.1.1 rebuild -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi all, A new 3.1.1 FFmpeg point release just came out, fixing the ABI issues present in 3.1. This means we have to start the FFmpeg rebuild over, apologies for the inconvenience. I edited the 3.1 rebuild and passed everything back to incomplete, please dedicate your CPU time to the greater good once more. 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(I probably should have sent this email then.) Accompanying this is the use of the "git" subdomain instead of the "projects" subdomain for the git hosting. The "projects" subdomain will continue to work, but for SSH-push, your ssh will complain that the SSH host key has changed, since it now refers to winston instead of proton. Simply remove the appropriate line from your `~/.ssh/known_hosts`. Not all of the git hooks have been migrated/set up, but that should be fixed soon (also, shout-out to git 2.9's new core.hooksPath configuration option). Notably, if new users or SSH keys are added to hackers.git, the system checkout (`/var/lib/hackers-git`) needs to manually be updated (also, SIGHUP sent to nshd to add new system users). -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 02:11:34 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [FYI] git is now on winton.parabola.nu In-Reply-To: <87shvl1439.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <87shvl1439.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87oa682815.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:22:02 -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote: > Not all of the git hooks have been migrated/set up, but that should be > fixed soon (also, shout-out to git 2.9's new core.hooksPath > configuration option). Notably, if new users or SSH keys are added to > hackers.git, the system checkout (`/var/lib/hackers-git`) needs to > manually be updated (also, SIGHUP sent to nshd to add new system > users). Taken care of. -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 15:36:00 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: [Dev] Parabola Newsletter July 2016 Message-ID: <8760sgnnvj.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Parabola Newsletter for July 2016 ================================= Things that have happened in the last month (in roughly reverse-chronological order): - Newsletter Luke Shumaker decided to write a monthly newsletter. Tell him of things that should be included. The goal of this newsletter isn't necessarily to be a newsletter for end users, but to be able to keep interested parties informed on what is going on in Parabola _development_. - Git hosting migrated to winston.parabola.nu Parabola's git hosting has moved from the older proton.parabola.nu server to the newer winston.parabola.nu. Accompanying this change is the new git.parabola.nu domain, which "replaces" the old projects.parabola.nu domain. Don't worry! The "projects" domain will continue to work indefinitely. Associated with this, we've been writing exhaustive documentation on how Winston is set up, so no developer will ever need to say "I don't know how lukeshu set it up" again :) https://wiki.parabola.nu/Hacking:Servers/Winston We want to give thanks 1985 Hosting Company for donating the winston.parabola.nu server. - New Parabola package: dbscripts https://projects.parabola.nu/dbscripts.git has graduated into https://git.parabola.nu/packages/dbscripts.git Now, the Parabola Pacman repository programs are packaged into an easy-to-install pacman package, instead of some awkward git repository you need to check out. This was https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/808 . - New Parabola package: parabola-hackers https://projects.parabola.nu/~lukeshu/nshd.git has graduated into https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabola-hackers.git Along the way, it picked up the scripts that ware in hackers.git. parabola-hackers is a set of tools for working with an using the hackers.git store of users and developers. Notably, it contains programs for generating the Parabola pacman keyring, creating system users for developers on the server, and managing SSH authentication. It is fully deployed on winston.parabola.nu, and should be deployed on proton.parabola.nu soon. - New Parabola Social Contract After much discussion, the Parabola community ratified a new "Parabola Social Contract" (replacing the old "Parabola/GNU Linux Social Contract") https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Social_Contract - Coliberator 2016 Parabola participated in the Coliberator 2016 Free Software conference organized by our fiscal sponsor Funda?ia Ceata in Romania on June 4-5. https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-will-take-part-in-coliberator-2016/ Things that are upcoming in the next month: - FISL17 Conference Parabola will be participating in the FISL17 Free Software conference in Brazil on July 13-16. Andr? Silva ("Emulatorman") and M?rcio Silva ("coadde") will be presenting at July 13, 16:00 (UTC-3). We want to thank everyone who donated to Parabola, and our fiscal sponsor Funda?ia Ceata for making this possible. https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-will-take-part-in-fisl17/ - autobuilder Hopefully we'll get autobuilder running on winston soon, to relieve pressure on Parabola developers with simple packages like parabola-keyring, your-freedom, et c. As of right now, there are no concrete plans to turn autobuilder into a more complete build server, but that is something we are interested in doing in the future. https://git.parabola.nu/server/autobuilder.git/ -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker Parabola From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 18:44:03 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 14:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Dev] test Message-ID: <8737nknf64.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> This is a test because of issues with the mail server. -- ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 19:12:30 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:12:30 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [FYI] email was down for about a day Message-ID: <87zipslza9.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Parabola's email handling went down sometime yesterday. It is fixed now. Emails might have been silently dropped. If you sent anything, you should verify that it got to its destination. -- Sorry, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 7 22:22:02 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:22:02 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [FYI] git is now on winton.parabola.nu Message-ID: <87shvl1439.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Hi guys, Yesterday, Parabola's git hosting migrated from proton.parabola.nu to winston.parabola.nu. (I probably should have sent this email then.) Accompanying this is the use of the "git" subdomain instead of the "projects" subdomain for the git hosting. The "projects" subdomain will continue to work, but for SSH-push, your ssh will complain that the SSH host key has changed, since it now refers to winston instead of proton. Simply remove the appropriate line from your `~/.ssh/known_hosts`. Not all of the git hooks have been migrated/set up, but that should be fixed soon (also, shout-out to git 2.9's new core.hooksPath configuration option). Notably, if new users or SSH keys are added to hackers.git, the system checkout (`/var/lib/hackers-git`) needs to manually be updated (also, SIGHUP sent to nshd to add new system users). -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 02:11:34 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [FYI] git is now on winton.parabola.nu In-Reply-To: <87shvl1439.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <87shvl1439.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87oa682815.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:22:02 -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote: > Not all of the git hooks have been migrated/set up, but that should be > fixed soon (also, shout-out to git 2.9's new core.hooksPath > configuration option). Notably, if new users or SSH keys are added to > hackers.git, the system checkout (`/var/lib/hackers-git`) needs to > manually be updated (also, SIGHUP sent to nshd to add new system > users). Taken care of. -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 19:25:21 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups Message-ID: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Hi guys, We really need to talk about our backup infrastructure. Some of our stuff is easy-ish to back up: - most git repositories can just be mirrored : lukeshu.com/git, github, gitlab, ... (I'd set this up on lukeshu.com a long time ago, but I think it stopped running. Setting this up with github and gitlab has been in my TODO.txt for way too long). - /srv/repo/main is already backup up by our mirrors. However, if there were ever a problem, we wouldn't be able to roll back to a backup if it already propegated to the mirrors. But some other stuff is under-served: - /etc/.git: contains crypto keys, system password hashes - /srv/sql: besides database passwords, the repositories contain usernames and password hashes for wiki, redmine, and parabolaweb users. - /home - /srv various files contains database passwords and the like Who do we give this data to? If it's encrypted, who holds the decryption keys? How long do we retain backups for? How often do we make them? -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From fauno at endefensadelsl.org Fri Jul 8 20:17:22 2016 From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:17:22 -0300 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87oa67hokt.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Luke Shumaker writes: > Who do we give this data to? If it's encrypted, who holds the > decryption keys? How long do we retain backups for? How often do we > make them? i've been using backupninja+duplicity with good results, and you can gpg encrypt to several keys so there's no single point of failure -- :> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 584 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 21:14:28 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Dev] Parabola Newsletter July 2016 In-Reply-To: <8760sgnnvj.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <8760sgnnvj.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <87wpkvn87f.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:36:00 -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote: > - Git hosting migrated to winston.parabola.nu > > Parabola's git hosting has moved from the older proton.parabola.nu > server to the newer winston.parabola.nu. Accompanying this change > is the new git.parabola.nu domain, which "replaces" the old > projects.parabola.nu domain. Don't worry! The "projects" domain > will continue to work indefinitely. Oh, naturally that means that projects.parabola.nu now has a different SSH host key. You may need to edit your ~/.ssh/known_hosts Similarly, if you use TLS certificate pinning, you may have an issue with the web interface. -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 8 21:20:50 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <87oa67hokt.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87oa67hokt.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: <87vb0fn7wt.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:17:22 -0400, fauno wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > Luke Shumaker writes: > > Who do we give this data to? If it's encrypted, who holds the > > decryption keys? How long do we retain backups for? How often do we > > make them? > > i've been using backupninja+duplicity with good results, and you can > gpg encrypt to several keys so there's no single point of failure AFAICT, duplicity differentiates between incremental and full backups, which means that periodically we'd need to make a new full backup instead of having to step through every incremental backup. That's fine I guess, but I'd rather have full backups with deduplication, like tarsnap or bup. Of course, tarsnap is nonfree, and bup is immature. (+10 internet points to whoever writes a Free clone of tarsnap.) But also: I think the more important question to answer is "where does the data go"? Where will we host it? -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From blade.vp2020 at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 21:56:08 2016 From: blade.vp2020 at gmail.com (Ali Abdul Ghani) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:56:08 -0700 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <87vb0fn7wt.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87oa67hokt.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87vb0fn7wt.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I can host the keys 2016-07-08 14:20 ??????-07:00, Luke Shumaker : > On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:17:22 -0400, > fauno wrote: >> >> [1 ] >> [1.1 ] >> Luke Shumaker writes: >> > Who do we give this data to? If it's encrypted, who holds the >> > decryption keys? How long do we retain backups for? How often do we >> > make them? >> >> i've been using backupninja+duplicity with good results, and you can >> gpg encrypt to several keys so there's no single point of failure > > AFAICT, duplicity differentiates between incremental and full backups, > which means that periodically we'd need to make a new full backup > instead of having to step through every incremental backup. That's > fine I guess, but I'd rather have full backups with deduplication, > like tarsnap or bup. Of course, tarsnap is nonfree, and bup is > immature. > > (+10 internet points to whoever writes a Free clone of tarsnap.) > > But also: I think the more important question to answer is "where does > the data go"? Where will we host it? > > -- > Happy hacking, > ~ Luke Shumaker > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > Dev at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev > -- Emacs is the ground. We run around and act silly on top of it, and when we die, may our remnants grace its ongoing incrementation. From ingegnue at riseup.net Fri Jul 8 22:21:25 2016 From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 18:21:25 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <98b3d0ac-a0df-791e-72f6-56a647c8189f@riseup.net> I'm IT so I can add my 2c: On 07/08/16 15:25, Luke Shumaker wrote: > Hi guys, > > We really need to talk about our backup infrastructure. > > Some of our stuff is easy-ish to back up: > > - most git repositories can just be mirrored : > lukeshu.com/git, github, gitlab, ... (I'd set this up on > lukeshu.com a long time ago, but I think it stopped running. > Setting this up with github and gitlab has been in my TODO.txt for > way too long). > > - /srv/repo/main is already backup up by our mirrors. However, if > there were ever a problem, we wouldn't be able to roll back to a > backup if it already propegated to the mirrors. > > But some other stuff is under-served: > > - /etc/.git: contains crypto keys, system password hashes > - /srv/sql: besides database passwords, the repositories contain > usernames and password hashes for wiki, redmine, and parabolaweb > users. > - /home > - /srv various files contains database passwords and the like > > Who do we give this data to? Depends on security requirements: the only reason we (we as in, universal) don't give everyone we meet a backup of everything, even though the best backup strategy is propogation, is because we don't WANT everyone to have the backups. > If it's encrypted, who holds the > decryption keys? Decryption keys are an interesting security problem. One person could know the password and 10 could store the keys somewhere, BUT then you have 11 times (or whatever) the chance that some cracker will find it and brute force the keys. Since they're decryption keys, I don't recall any way you could set a lockout for incorrect attempts. The safest storage for keys is offline. Parabola's non-hierarchical organization conflicts with the assumptions of hierarchical managament most of this infrastructural software assumes. This is a fault of the software design, not Parabola hackers. I'm not sure how to solve this problem, but I thought I'd take a stab. > How long do we retain backups for? How often do we > make them? > When we figure out who to give backups to and where they're going, this will be easy to answer. From g4jc at openmailbox.org Sat Jul 9 13:58:48 2016 From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <98b3d0ac-a0df-791e-72f6-56a647c8189f@riseup.net> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <98b3d0ac-a0df-791e-72f6-56a647c8189f@riseup.net> Message-ID: <76e464b1-c51f-f6cb-514b-3c7701bb82f2@openmailbox.org> On 07/08/2016 06:21 PM, IngeGNUe wrote: >> If it's encrypted, who holds the >> decryption keys? > Decryption keys are an interesting security problem. One person could > know the password and 10 could store the keys somewhere, BUT then you > have 11 times (or whatever) the chance that some cracker will find it > and brute force the keys. Since they're decryption keys, I don't recall > any way you could set a lockout for incorrect attempts. > > The safest storage for keys is offline. > > Parabola's non-hierarchical organization conflicts with the assumptions > of hierarchical managament most of this infrastructural software > assumes. This is a fault of the software design, not Parabola hackers. > > I'm not sure how to solve this problem, but I thought I'd take a stab. I've never tried it, but would like to bring attention to the following two program included in Tails, which are designed to create a non-hierarchal key arrangement for this exact purpose. gfshare: http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/libgfshare ssss: http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/ To quote the algorithm:* Shamir's Secret Sharing* is an algorithm in cryptography created by Adi Shamir . It is a form of secret sharing , where a secret is divided into parts, giving each participant its own unique part, where some of the parts or all of them are needed in order to reconstruct the secret. In other words, no one holds the complete key, but as long as "x amount" of developers still hold parts of the key, each one can come together to unlock the file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-docs/ * linux-libre-lts-docs 4.4.14_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-docs/ * linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.14_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-lts-headers/ * linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.14_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-lts-headers/ * linux-libre-lts-headers 4.4.14_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-lts-headers/ The user provided the following additional text: Updated upstream to 4.4.15 From nobody at parabola.nu Wed Jul 13 05:14:32 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 05:14:32 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160713051432.1602.39782@parabola.nu> jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * linux-libre 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/ * linux-libre 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/ * linux-libre 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/ The user provided the following additional text: Updated upstream to 4.6.4 From nobody at parabola.nu Thu Jul 14 18:31:51 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:31:51 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-grsec] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160714183151.1602.75461@parabola.nu> invivo at sdf.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.3_gnu.201607070721-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ The user provided the following additional text: Grsecurity has updated its patches to 4.6.4 From ingegnue at riseup.net Fri Jul 15 00:42:36 2016 From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <76e464b1-c51f-f6cb-514b-3c7701bb82f2@openmailbox.org> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <98b3d0ac-a0df-791e-72f6-56a647c8189f@riseup.net> <76e464b1-c51f-f6cb-514b-3c7701bb82f2@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: On 07/09/16 09:58, Luke wrote: > > On 07/08/2016 06:21 PM, IngeGNUe wrote: >>> If it's encrypted, who holds the >>> decryption keys? >> Decryption keys are an interesting security problem. One person could >> know the password and 10 could store the keys somewhere, BUT then you >> have 11 times (or whatever) the chance that some cracker will find it >> and brute force the keys. Since they're decryption keys, I don't recall >> any way you could set a lockout for incorrect attempts. >> >> The safest storage for keys is offline. >> >> Parabola's non-hierarchical organization conflicts with the assumptions >> of hierarchical managament most of this infrastructural software >> assumes. This is a fault of the software design, not Parabola hackers. >> >> I'm not sure how to solve this problem, but I thought I'd take a stab. > > I've never tried it, but would like to bring attention to the following > two program included in Tails, which are designed to create a > non-hierarchal key arrangement for this exact purpose. > > gfshare: http://www.digital-scurf.org/software/libgfshare > > ssss: http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/ > > To quote the algorithm:* > Shamir's Secret Sharing* is an algorithm > in cryptography > created by Adi Shamir > . It is a form of secret > sharing , where a secret > is divided into parts, giving each participant its own unique part, > where some of the parts or all of them are needed in order to > reconstruct the secret. > > > In other words, no one holds the complete key, but as long as "x amount" > of developers still hold parts of the key, each one can come together to > unlock the file. That's awesome. If that works, then everyone with a key could store their respective private keys offline. How does it handle when a dev leaves but does not revoke their key? How do you avoid a situation (from a technical aspect) of not having enough "x amount" devs, resulting in lost access to the files? I haven't tried it either. If you can have that solution working then another thing that would be nice to have is a distributed backup solution in which multiple specific people can access the data, without it being accessible by the whole world. Distributed data storage seems the most ideal to me in terms of respecting Parabola's horizontal organization. The challenge is how to grant access. What do you think of Tahoe-LAFS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoe-LAFS IANAL but their licenses seem OK to me. https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs/blob/master/COPYING.GPL https://github.com/tahoe-lafs/tahoe-lafs/blob/master/COPYING.TGPPL.rst From emulatorman at riseup.net Fri Jul 15 04:11:33 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:11:33 -0300 Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Colaborando_com_a_tradu=C3=A7=C3=A3o?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b56d185-ff00-f33b-3946-57de703bf8e0@riseup.net> On 07/14/2016 04:50 PM, felipe carlos wrote: > Boa tarde, > > Estou enviando o email pois assisti a palestra do Par?bola no FISL 2016 e fiquei bem interessado em ajudar o projeto fazendo sua tradu??o > > Caso eu possa ajudar, estou a disposi??o. > > Att, > Felipe Carlos Ol? Felipe Carlos, seria muito legal que voc? possa ajudar o projeto com a tradu??o. Eu sugiro entrar e participar no nosso projeto atrav?s da nossa lista de correios em https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev e no canal #parabola no Freenode, assim vc pode come?ar a tradu??o com a nossa comunidade :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From GNUtoo at no-log.org Sat Jul 2 11:05:58 2016 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 13:05:58 +0200 Subject: [Dev] Fixing pacman issues with outdated mirrors again. Message-ID: <20160702130558.7634362b.GNUtoo@no-log.org> Hi, When using Debian based distributions, such as Trisquel, aptitude update is painfully slow. This is because it will try to "update" from every mirror in the list. It will then, as I was explained yesterday, use the one that is the most up to date. Pacman instead uses the first reachable mirror in its list. So if that mirror is out of date, it then download out of date packages. If the mirror is not enough up to date the Parabola installation will have old packages, possibly with security issues. The security then depend on the chosen mirror and how up to date it is. Parabola has a web server that can redirect pacman to a known good mirror, so if the first mirror becomes too much out of date, Parabola developers will redirect to a better mirror. However having pacman "update" (pacman -Sy) to all mirrors and then selecting the most up to date would probably be better security wise, and that would release the developers from maintaining such redirection. Denis. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Distributed data storage seems the most ideal to me in terms of > respecting Parabola's horizontal organization. > > The challenge is how to grant access. > > What do you think of Tahoe-LAFS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoe-LAFS fwiw, tahoe-lafs is a pain in the ass to package (it has many many many python dependencies) and i never could find in any doc if it behaves like a real filesystem or if it's just a web panel. anyway for synchronizing files i prefer syncthing which is much more simpler to configure, you just exchange fingerprints. as for encrypting backups, i'd go for kiss :P -- }(:= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 584 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ingegnue at riseup.net Mon Jul 18 22:58:25 2016 From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:58:25 -0400 Subject: [Dev] [RFC] backups In-Reply-To: <87y44yhi2k.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <87y45clyou.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <98b3d0ac-a0df-791e-72f6-56a647c8189f@riseup.net> <76e464b1-c51f-f6cb-514b-3c7701bb82f2@openmailbox.org> <87y44yhi2k.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: On 07/18/16 15:17, fauno wrote: > IngeGNUe writes: >> If you can have that solution working then another thing that would be >> nice to have is a distributed backup solution in which multiple specific >> people can access the data, without it being accessible by the whole >> world. Distributed data storage seems the most ideal to me in terms of >> respecting Parabola's horizontal organization. >> >> The challenge is how to grant access. >> >> What do you think of Tahoe-LAFS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoe-LAFS > > fwiw, tahoe-lafs is a pain in the ass to package (it has many many many > python dependencies) and i never could find in any doc if it behaves > like a real filesystem or if it's just a web panel. > > anyway for synchronizing files i prefer syncthing which is much more > simpler to configure, you just exchange fingerprints. > > as for encrypting backups, i'd go for kiss :P > I like your idea... What would be the KISS way of encrypting the backups though? From nospam at curso.re Wed Jul 20 21:15:08 2016 From: nospam at curso.re (nospam at curso.re) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:15:08 +0100 Subject: [Dev] Problems with linux-libre-4.6.3_gnu-1 and 4.6.4_gnu-1 x86_64 Message-ID: <87wpkgdnab.fsf@example.com> Hi all, I hope that this is the correct mailing list for my question (posting from GMane, this is the only "parabola" list I found). I have been an happy Parabola GNU/Linux user for a while, but I've recently hit a strange problem with the latest kernel packages, namely the 4.6.3 and 4.6.4 for x86_64 architectures. The problem is that when I upgrade to 4.6.3 the systems cannot boot and falls back in maintenance mode complaining about plymouth. I have not investigated this further and waited patiently for the next upgrade. With 4.6.4 the system somehow boots, but it cannot load a number of modules. Upon further inspection I noticed that `uname -r` would give me the older kernel version (i.e. 4.6.2) rather then the latest. So I guess that then the kernel was looking for its modules in the wrong place (i.e. in the 4.6.2 directory that did not exist any more after the package upgrade). I wonder what might have gone wrong because neither the package upgrade with `pacman` nor `mkinitcpio -p linux-libre` seemed to give error messages. Yet, I ended up with the "wrong" kernel. Do you have any advice to help me fix this? Many thanks, -- Stefano From g4jc at openmailbox.org Thu Jul 21 02:55:32 2016 From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Dev] Problems with linux-libre-4.6.3_gnu-1 and 4.6.4_gnu-1 x86_64 In-Reply-To: <87wpkgdnab.fsf@example.com> References: <87wpkgdnab.fsf@example.com> Message-ID: <9991c61b-db8c-9654-254f-50c670c5c352@openmailbox.org> On 07/20/2016 05:15 PM, nospam at curso.re wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope that this is the correct mailing list for my question (posting > from GMane, this is the only "parabola" list I found). > > I have been an happy Parabola GNU/Linux user for a while, but I've > recently hit a strange problem with the latest kernel packages, namely > the 4.6.3 and 4.6.4 for x86_64 architectures. > > The problem is that when I upgrade to 4.6.3 the systems cannot boot and > falls back in maintenance mode complaining about plymouth. I have not > investigated this further and waited patiently for the next upgrade. > > With 4.6.4 the system somehow boots, but it cannot load a number of > modules. Upon further inspection I noticed that `uname -r` would give me > the older kernel version (i.e. 4.6.2) rather then the latest. So I guess > that then the kernel was looking for its modules in the wrong place > (i.e. in the 4.6.2 directory that did not exist any more after the > package upgrade). I wonder what might have gone wrong because neither > the package upgrade with `pacman` nor `mkinitcpio -p linux-libre` seemed > to give error messages. Yet, I ended up with the "wrong" kernel. > > Do you have any advice to help me fix this? > > Many thanks, > > -- Stefano > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > Dev at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev > Hello Stefano, Was this a fresh install of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre or did you migrate from Manjaro/Arch? The reason why I ask is I had a similar issue at one point on a migrated system, it would actually boot from the older kernel sometimes. I would start by checking the /boot directory to ensure that the linux-libre kernel is properly installed, followed by checking the grub.cfg to see if it is in fact booting the latest kernel. It should not be booting the old kernel once a new kernel is installed, so uname shouldn't mention the old version either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nospam at curso.re Fri Jul 22 21:04:42 2016 From: nospam at curso.re (nospam at curso.re) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:04:42 +0100 Subject: [Dev] Problems with linux-libre-4.6.3_gnu-1 and 4.6.4_gnu-1 x86_64 References: <87wpkgdnab.fsf@example.com> <9991c61b-db8c-9654-254f-50c670c5c352@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: <87a8h975at.fsf@example.com> Luke writes: > On 07/20/2016 05:15 PM, nospam at curso.re wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I hope that this is the correct mailing list for my question (posting >> from GMane, this is the only "parabola" list I found). >> >> I have been an happy Parabola GNU/Linux user for a while, but I've >> recently hit a strange problem with the latest kernel packages, namely >> the 4.6.3 and 4.6.4 for x86_64 architectures. >> >> The problem is that when I upgrade to 4.6.3 the systems cannot boot and >> falls back in maintenance mode complaining about plymouth. I have not >> investigated this further and waited patiently for the next upgrade. >> >> With 4.6.4 the system somehow boots, but it cannot load a number of >> modules. Upon further inspection I noticed that `uname -r` would give me >> the older kernel version (i.e. 4.6.2) rather then the latest. So I guess >> that then the kernel was looking for its modules in the wrong place >> (i.e. in the 4.6.2 directory that did not exist any more after the >> package upgrade). I wonder what might have gone wrong because neither >> the package upgrade with `pacman` nor `mkinitcpio -p linux-libre` seemed >> to give error messages. Yet, I ended up with the "wrong" kernel. >> >> Do you have any advice to help me fix this? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> -- Stefano >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev mailing list >> Dev at lists.parabola.nu >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev >> > Hello Stefano, > > Was this a fresh install of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre or did you migrate > from Manjaro/Arch? The reason why I ask is I had a similar issue at one > point on a migrated system, it would actually boot from the older kernel > sometimes. > > I would start by checking the /boot directory to ensure that the > linux-libre kernel is properly installed, followed by checking the > grub.cfg to see if it is in fact booting the latest kernel. It should > not be booting the old kernel once a new kernel is installed, so uname > shouldn't mention the old version either. Luke, you gave me a great hint! I have recently migrated hard disk and copied my data over. For some reason I think I forgot to update fstab with the new boot partition, so the partition was *not* mounted when I ran pacman -S linux-libre. I was so sure that there was nothing wrong with /boot that had not even thought to look at it! In fact, the package upgrade worked well, but the image was saved in the /boot folder in the *wrong* partition and wasn't picked up at boot. I have now fixed by fstab and all works well again. Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my query. Best, -- Stefano From nobody at parabola.nu Wed Jul 27 04:00:26 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:00:26 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160727040026.1600.10932@parabola.nu> eliotime3000 at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * linux-libre 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/ * linux-libre 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/ * linux-libre 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-docs 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/ * linux-libre-headers 4.6.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/ The user provided the following additional text: Linux-libre kernel is up-to-date with the upstream release of Vanilla Linux kernel. More info: http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ From emulatorman at riseup.net Thu Jul 28 19:44:02 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:44:02 -0300 Subject: [Dev] New install medium 2016.07.27 Message-ID: <82ac311f-33c4-c085-2cb2-847c7530faf9@riseup.net> Dual architecture (i686 and x86_64): * Main ISO - Live ISO image for installation and recovery. * MATE desktop ISO - Live ISO image for installation and recovery (with MATE Desktop Environment). * TalkingParabola ISO - Live ISO image for installation and recovery (adapted for blind and visually impaired users). ChangeLog: * [Mate desktop ISO]: Fixed read and write permissions in $HOME folder. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added instant messaging and video calling applications such as mate-extra, linphone, qtox. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added octopi-cachecleaner, octopi-notifier and octopi-repoeditor since it is needed for octopi that is our powerful Pacman frontend by default. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added lightdm as default display manager. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added sudo by default to allow members of group wheel to execute any command. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added grub2-theme-gnuaxiom as Parabola theme for GRUB. * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added compressor and archiver applications such as p7zip, unar, unzip and zip. * Removed cargo and rust from the blacklist since its trademarks are different than Firefox and seems nothing in them in contradiction with FSDG. * Added foomatic-db-nonfree-ppds to the blacklist since it is clearly non-Free. 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From emulatorman at riseup.net Fri Jul 29 17:16:15 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:16:15 -0300 Subject: [Dev] New install medium 2016.07.27 In-Reply-To: References: <82ac311f-33c4-c085-2cb2-847c7530faf9@riseup.net> Message-ID: <1054f5d2-73bf-95e6-b01d-82c74f05a3b8@riseup.net> On 07/29/2016 12:48 PM, Quilro Ordonez wrote: > Gracias por tu excelente trabajo. Felicitaciones por esta versi?n para > que sea sencillo ser libre para los novatos. De nada Quiliro, para eso Parabola est?, para liberar el ciberespacio :) Por otro lado, quer?a agradecerte por los reportes y fallas que encontraste en la versi?n de Mate de nuestra Live. Si no fuera por tu aporte, esto no hubiera sido posible, gracias! :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I did, in order: - Notice that everything is slow and terrible. - Performance-tune nginx a bit (use epoll, et c.) - Observe that things are only slightly less terrible. - Run iotop to see if it gives any insights to why disk wait is so high. - Notice that unionfs is dominating the system IO - Configure nginx to bypass unionfs, only letting PHP fall back to it for the indexes[^1]. - Notice that nothing really changed. - Use `lsof` to try to figure out why. - See that some asshole is downloading multiple ISOs from repo directly (instead of a mirror)[^2], which means that nginx is keeping the files open on unionfs until they finish. - `sudo systemctl kill nginx; sudo systemctl restart nginx` to get nginx to let go of the unionfs handles. - Yay, things are way better! - But still slow. - htop says that now the CPU is being slammed by soft-IRQ, which is at least better than disk wait. - iotop says that nginx is now king of IO. - Use lsof to see why. - See that user(s) must have restarted their ISO downloads. - Become frustrated that users are using repo instead of a mirror. - Modify repomirror to append "?noredirect" to the URL when it sends you to repo directly. - Configure repo to redirect to repomirror unless it sees "noredirect" in the query string. - `sudo systemctl kill nginx; sudo systemctl restart nginx` - Yay, proton.parabola.nu seems happy for the first time in a long time. I don't remember the last time I saw the load average <5 except for immediately after boot. - Notice that (somewhat ironically), this puts unionfs back into a hot-path because repomirror uses it. But repomirror will only ever use stat/lstat/readlink/readdir on it, so it's fine. So, to recap: - nginx: tune performance settings - repo.parabola.nu: bypass unionfs if possible - repo.parabola.nu: redirect to repomirror unless "noredirect" is in the query string - repomirror.parabola.nu: append "?noredirect" to the URL if redirecting to repo.parabola.nu [^1]: I'd tried to do this in the past, but couldn't figure out how. I was dumb back then. [^2]: Because we scrub client IPs, it's possible that it was actually several users. They all just show up as 127.0.0.1[^3]. [^3]: https://www.xkcd.com/742/ -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From agostino.dilillo at open365.io Fri Jul 29 22:11:19 2016 From: agostino.dilillo at open365.io (Agostino Di Lillo) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 00:11:19 +0200 Subject: [Dev] Mirror server Message-ID: <31c08fb6-3337-4806-a169-754f36c1bdbc@typeapp.com> Hi, I'm Lillo from Parrot Security OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/), we want help you offering some mirror servers. How much disk space does your archive require? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info Fri Jul 29 22:31:37 2016 From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:31:37 -0500 Subject: [Dev] [FYI] changes to [repo] HTTP In-Reply-To: <877fc416jx.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <877fc416jx.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1469831497.2532.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> Now that was a long trail! Thank you for your tireless work Luke. I was wondering, where does that all leave my pseudo-mirror? If I understand your PHP handler correctly my mirror does not figure in repomirror's pool (rightly so because the redirect process could loop indefinitely or something). Do you recommend that I keep caching results from repo using ?noredirect, use repomirror to distribute the load, or move to an entirely different tier-1 mirror? -- isacdaavid From nobody at parabola.nu Sat Jul 30 00:06:42 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 00:06:42 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-grsec] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160730000642.1700.8826@parabola.nu> invivo at sdf.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-docs/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ * linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.6.4_gnu.201607192040-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-headers/ The user provided the following additional text: Kernel and Grsecurity patches are now up to 4.6.5. From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 30 04:16:37 2016 From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 00:16:37 -0400 Subject: [Dev] Mirror server In-Reply-To: <31c08fb6-3337-4806-a169-754f36c1bdbc@typeapp.com> References: <31c08fb6-3337-4806-a169-754f36c1bdbc@typeapp.com> Message-ID: <871t2b7obe.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Hi Lillo, On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:11:19 -0400, Agostino Di Lillo wrote: > How much disk space does your archive require? $ du -h /srv/repo/main --max-depth 0 122G /srv/repo/main Though it fluctuates quite a bit. Old packages currently get cleaned up every Sunday and Wednesday at 17:14 (UTC); so we're probably pretty close to the high point in the cycle right now. -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From blade.vp2020 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 05:45:02 2016 From: blade.vp2020 at gmail.com (Ali Abdul Ghani) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Dev] Mirror server In-Reply-To: <871t2b7obe.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <31c08fb6-3337-4806-a169-754f36c1bdbc@typeapp.com> <871t2b7obe.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: hi Lillo can you mirror uruk gnu/linux iso files? https://urukproject.org/dist have fun and be free ali miracle 2016-07-29 21:16 ??????-07:00, Luke Shumaker : > Hi Lillo, > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:11:19 -0400, > Agostino Di Lillo wrote: >> How much disk space does your archive require? > > $ du -h /srv/repo/main --max-depth 0 > 122G /srv/repo/main > > Though it fluctuates quite a bit. > > Old packages currently get cleaned up every Sunday and Wednesday at > 17:14 (UTC); so we're probably pretty close to the high point in the > cycle right now. > > -- > Happy hacking, > ~ Luke Shumaker > _______________________________________________ > Dev mailing list > Dev at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev > -- Emacs is the ground. We run around and act silly on top of it, and when we die, may our remnants grace its ongoing incrementation. From encycl at parlementum.red Sat Jul 30 05:46:53 2016 From: encycl at parlementum.red (Charles E Roth) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 22:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Dev] New install medium 2016.07.27 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91e9c8c2-5e20-4171-0714-1908a4495f56@parlementum.red> Can we get more people to torrent the ISO's. Last time I checked there were only 2 of us. On 07/29/2016 09:16 PM, dev-request at lists.parabola.nu wrote: > New install medium 2016.07.27 -- Charles Roth, MPC Cultural Detective, Curious Antiquary, Noted Pedestrian, Amateur Lexicographer & Voracious Reader. https://parlementum.news/channel/encycl Primary email: encycl at parlementum.red GPG Key: http://keybase.io/encycl Protect your email: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ "La mort fromage--quel dommage!" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 851 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From agostino.dilillo at open365.io Sat Jul 30 08:19:29 2016 From: agostino.dilillo at open365.io (Agostino Di Lillo) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 10:19:29 +0200 Subject: [Dev] Mirror server In-Reply-To: References: <31c08fb6-3337-4806-a169-754f36c1bdbc@typeapp.com> <871t2b7obe.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <76d0628a-0d74-420c-86f4-14520ad740fb@typeapp.com> How much disk does uruk archive require? In future can I use blade.vp2020 at gmail.com to contact you? Or do you prefere another email? Luke: in future can I use lukeshu at sbcglobal.net to contact you? Or do you prefer another email? Il giorno 30 Lug 2016, 07:45, alle ore 07:45, Ali Abdul Ghani ha scritto: >hi Lillo >can you mirror uruk gnu/linux iso files? >https://urukproject.org/dist >have fun and be free >ali miracle > >2016-07-29 21:16 ??????-07:00, Luke Shumaker : >> Hi Lillo, >> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 18:11:19 -0400, >> Agostino Di Lillo wrote: >>> How much disk space does your archive require? >> >> $ du -h /srv/repo/main --max-depth 0 >> 122G /srv/repo/main >> >> Though it fluctuates quite a bit. >> >> Old packages currently get cleaned up every Sunday and Wednesday at >> 17:14 (UTC); so we're probably pretty close to the high point in the >> cycle right now. >> >> -- >> Happy hacking, >> ~ Luke Shumaker >> _______________________________________________ >> Dev mailing list >> Dev at lists.parabola.nu >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev >> > > >-- >Emacs is the ground. We run around and act silly on top of it, and >when we die, may our remnants grace its ongoing incrementation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emulatorman at riseup.net Sat Jul 30 17:09:24 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:09:24 -0300 Subject: [Dev] [News] Parabola will take part in Software e Cultura no Brasil Message-ID: Today we're announcing that Parabola will take part in the first edition of Software e Cultura no Brasil [0], the Free Software seminary organized by the Federal University of ABC (Portuguese: Universidade Federal do ABC, UFABC)[1] in S?o Bernardo do Campo, Brazil on August 15-16 2016. This year?s edition, Parabola will have its official seminary at August 16, 10:00 hrs (UTC-3) in Brazilian Portuguese language. The speaker will be again our Parabola dev called Andr? Silva (known as Emulatorman)[2]. By the way, we want to thank Murilo Machado and the Federal University of ABC for the support to cover our expenses for this seminary. Happy hacking! [0]:http://pesquisa.ufabc.edu.br/lablivre/ [1]:http://www.ufabc.edu.br/ [2]:https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#Emulatorman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From emulatorman at riseup.net Sat Jul 30 17:19:39 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:19:39 -0300 Subject: [Dev] New install medium 2016.07.27 In-Reply-To: <91e9c8c2-5e20-4171-0714-1908a4495f56@parlementum.red> References: <91e9c8c2-5e20-4171-0714-1908a4495f56@parlementum.red> Message-ID: <90d7c37c-f989-b48b-d0bb-cb18dd4f8584@riseup.net> On 07/30/2016 02:46 AM, Charles E Roth wrote: > Can we get more people to torrent the ISO's. Last time I checked there > were only 2 of us. 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Generally, yes, although some people have issues with emails bouncing. @sbcglobal.net is managed by Yahoo, who I would think could figure out how to configure a mail server, but I guess not. So; if you can reach me here, then yes! -- Happy hacking, ~ Luke Shumaker From tct at ceata.org Sat Jul 30 19:32:22 2016 From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:32:22 +0200 Subject: [Dev] Parabola Newsletter July 2016 In-Reply-To: <8760sgnnvj.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> References: <8760sgnnvj.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <579D00C6.3090401@ceata.org> On 08.07.2016 17:36, Luke Shumaker wrote: > Luke Shumaker decided to write a monthly newsletter. Tell him of > things that should be included. That is great news! Which is the deadline to propose items for this first newsletter? Thanks! From nobody at parabola.nu Sat Jul 30 20:00:59 2016 From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:00:59 -0000 Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [feedreader] marked out-of-date Message-ID: <20160730200059.1701.87732@parabola.nu> fturco at fastmail.fm wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date: * feedreader 1.4.3-1 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/feedreader/ * feedreader 1.4.3-1 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/feedreader/ The user provided the following additional text: FeedReader 1.6 is out: http://jangernert.github.io/FeedReader/changelog.html From coadde at riseup.net Sun Jul 31 03:24:00 2016 From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 03:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-08-10] increasing security in Parabola, servers Message-ID: <58c496d7-bf56-a3ea-7224-115a1714c6c5@riseup.net> Hi guys, i would make some changes in the new server, however i would propose it to be discussed under consensus first: * Remove SSL certificates to be more KISS and adhocratic. * Use a TOX server as XMPP replacement. * Use our own DNS server. * Use NetworkManager (CLI) instead of Netctl. * Improve IPv6 security against IoT and RFID (keep link-local IPv6 in anonymous -> "fe80::") * Add firewall * Add TOR, DNSCrypt and VPN to increase security. * Testing against all type of attacks to check our security settings is ok. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since Parabola offers a mirror for redirection, my ISP, everybody in my local wireless network and possibly others would see what software and which version I install. > * Use a TOX server as XMPP replacement. In what way is Tox more peer-to-peer than XMPP? > * Use our own DNS server. > * Use NetworkManager (CLI) instead of Netctl. > * Improve IPv6 security against IoT and RFID (keep link-local IPv6 in > anonymous -> "fe80::") I don?t know IPv6 that well; could you explain what you mean by ?anonymous?? > * Add firewall Setting up nftables/iptables to block too many SSH connections per minute as described on the Arch wiki seems important anyway. It looks better and simpler than Fail2ban etc. > * Add TOR, DNSCrypt and VPN to increase security. How does a VPN increase security for a server? What do you want to use TOR for? > * Testing against all type of attacks to check our security settings is ok. > Regards, Florian Pelz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hellekin at gnu.org Sun Jul 31 07:27:27 2016 From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 07:27:27 +0000 Subject: [Dev] [consensus][due: 2016-08-10] increasing security in Parabola, servers In-Reply-To: <87h9b6tq29.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> References: <58c496d7-bf56-a3ea-7224-115a1714c6c5@riseup.net> <87h9b6tq29.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> Message-ID: On 07/31/2016 04:00 AM, fauno wrote: > >> * Use a TOX server as XMPP replacement. > > wasn't tox p2p? > It is, but this doesn't mean it's more secure. AFAIK Tox's security has not been reviewed. Moreover I tested it recently, it works quite fine for one-on-one, even with HD video, but remains unstable under lousy network connection, e.g., not indicating when your interlocutor is gone. I cannot tell about group behavior: with two people it's not working as expected. >> * Add TOR, DNSCrypt and VPN to increase security. > DNSCrypt involves a DNS server not under your control. If you run your own DNS and configure DNScrypt to use it, it will affect your users if they use your DNScrypt, otherwise it will just slow down everything for no real improvement. my 0.2 ETC :) == hk From emulatorman at riseup.net Sun Jul 31 17:53:16 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 14:53:16 -0300 Subject: [Dev] Parabola participation at FISL17 Newsletter Message-ID: = Parabola participation at FISL17 Newsletter = This newsletter are things that have happened between July 13-16 about Parabola participation in the 17th edition of FISL (F?rum Internacional Software Livre), the Free Software conference organized by Associa??o Software Livre in Brazil, Porto Alegre. == Activities/actions made in community area (Parabola stand) between July 13-16 == * Parabola presentation. * Install fest. * Mini talks on how to contribute to the several Parabola projects through Free Software and Free Culture. * Practical and theoretical classes about Free Culture by our Parabola artist called Crazytoon. * Parabola Branding. * Hands-on. * Hackathon. * Sharing of Parabola and Ceata stickers. == Conference, interview and lighting talks == === Interview === Subject: Parabola project, Free Software, Adhocracy, Consensus and Community. Interviewer: Murilo Machado Interviewee: Emulatorman Presentation: 13th of July at 12:38 in community area (approximately 1 hour) === Conference === Subject: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre: a 100% Free distribution Speakers: Emulatorman and coadde Presentation: 13th of July at 16:00 in 41B room (approximately 40 minutes) === Lighting talks === Subject: Why use Parabola and the importance of using a 100% Free distribution Speakers: Emulatorman Presentation: 13th of July at 11:00 in community area (20 minutes) --- Subject: The importance of TalkingParabola: a Parabola installer adapted for blind and impaired users. Speakers: Emulatorman and coadde Presentation: 13th of July at 18:00 in community area (20 minutes) --- Subject: The true meaning of hacker term and the importance of an adhocratic distribution through consensus. Speakers: Emulatorman and coadde Presentation: 14th of July at 13:40 in community area (20 minutes) --- Subject: Parabola repositories Speakers: Emulatorman and coadde Presentation: 14th of July at 15:40 in community area (20 minutes) --- Subject: Parabola official mascots (GNU and Bola) and the importance of Free Art Speakers: Crazytoon and coadde Presentation: 15th of July at 13:00 in community area (20 minutes) --- Subject: Planning and future projects in Parabola for the community such as: * Libre Hardware Crowdfunding Project with Parabola GNU/Linux-libre Pre-installed [0] * Free Culture with GNU and Bola comics, wallpapers and multimedia [1] to encourage new artists and community participation. * Parabola GNU/Hurd [2] and Parabola GNU/kNuBSD-fire [3] project proposals to encourage new packagers and community participation. Speakers: Emulatorman and coadde Presentation: 16th of July at 17:00 in community area (20 minutes) == References == [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-libre-hardware-crowdfunding-project-with-parabola-pre-installed/ [1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Free_Culture [2]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2016-May/004015.html [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_GNU/kNuBSD-fire == Further details (in Brazilian Portuguese language) == * Parabola stand proposal for FISL17 [0] * FISL announcement about stands in community area [1] * Official FISL17 conferences calendar [2] * Official FISL17 conferences grid [3] * Parabola official conference banner for FISL17 [4] * Parabola stand photos [5] * Official conference video [6] [0]:http://softwarelivre.org/parabola/blog/proposta-da-area-de-comunidades-do-fisl-17 [1]:http://softwarelivre.org/fisl17/noticias/comunidades-conectadas-ao-fisl17 [2]:http://agenda.fisl17.softwarelivre.org/#/ [3]:paineis.asl.org.br/fisl17-atividades [4]:https://repomirror.parabola.nu/other/fisl17/banner-emulatorman.png [5]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Category:FISL17 [6]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/c/cf/Parabola_conference_at_fisl17.ogv -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[0]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/Hacking:Servers/Winston#issuance.2C_renewal.2C_and_installation > * Use a TOX server as XMPP replacement. no comment > * Use our own DNS server. Been on the todo list forever; go for it. > * Use NetworkManager (CLI) instead of Netctl. What!? Why? KISS! > * Improve IPv6 security against IoT and RFID (keep link-local IPv6 in > anonymous -> "fe80::") > * Add firewall > * Add TOR, DNSCrypt and VPN to increase security. > * Testing against all type of attacks to check our security settings is ok. From emulatorman at riseup.net Sun Jul 31 18:05:06 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:05:06 -0300 Subject: [Dev] Parabola participation at FISL17 Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07/31/2016 02:53 PM, Andr? Silva wrote: > [3]:paineis.asl.org.br/fisl17-atividades s|paineis.asl.org.br/fisl17-atividades|http://paineis.asl.org.br/fisl17-atividades -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From emulatorman at riseup.net Sun Jul 31 18:27:41 2016 From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 15:27:41 -0300 Subject: [Dev] New install medium 2016.07.27 In-Reply-To: <82ac311f-33c4-c085-2cb2-847c7530faf9@riseup.net> References: <82ac311f-33c4-c085-2cb2-847c7530faf9@riseup.net> Message-ID: <1b276e61-dd2d-8a90-3253-adff59b6f8a1@riseup.net> On 07/28/2016 04:44 PM, Andr? Silva wrote: > ChangeLog: > > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Fixed read and write permissions in $HOME folder. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added instant messaging and video calling > applications such as mate-extra, linphone, qtox. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added octopi-cachecleaner, octopi-notifier and > octopi-repoeditor since it is needed for octopi that is our powerful > Pacman frontend by default. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added lightdm as default display manager. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added sudo by default to allow members of group > wheel to execute any command. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added grub2-theme-gnuaxiom as Parabola theme for > GRUB. > * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added compressor and archiver applications such > as p7zip, unar, unzip and zip. > * Removed cargo and rust from the blacklist since its trademarks are > different than Firefox and seems nothing in them in contradiction with FSDG. > * Added foomatic-db-nonfree-ppds to the blacklist since it is clearly > non-Free. Since libreuser reported there are no links explained in every 'New install medium' changes in labs [0], i updated website news article again [1] and put the same details below too... ====================================================================== ChangeLog with references: * [Mate desktop ISO]: Fixed read and write permissions in $HOME folder. [2][3][4] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added instant messaging and video calling applications such as mate-extra, linphone, qtox. [5] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added octopi-cachecleaner, octopi-notifier and octopi-repoeditor since it is needed for octopi that is our powerful Pacman frontend by default. [6] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added lightdm as default display manager. [7] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added sudo by default to allow members of group wheel to execute any command. [8][9] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added grub2-theme-gnuaxiom as Parabola theme for GRUB. [10][11] * [Mate desktop ISO]: Added compressor and archiver applications such as p7zip, unar, unzip and zip. [12] * Removed cargo and rust from the blacklist since its trademarks are different than Firefox and seems nothing in them in contradiction with FSDG. [13] * Added foomatic-db-nonfree-ppds to the blacklist since it is clearly non-Free. [14] [0]:https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1064 [1]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/new-install-medium-20160727/ [2]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=87010ae3d4c5c88cffe3f73d99206b4e252ece3a [3]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=2ab49eb9d2069d712ddc8e76dfbb739c36b36ff7 [4]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=682adac5d1b04b9831fe6055462ca96a20046572 [5]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=9f8c81410145d64cdee0b73d8fc64cae3e14e9db [6]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=60035fb19c383f53fa02d4c1f5ab1622a06e2a96 [7]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=df3d8728f2059e10e2e2893094be62c3b49baa2a [8]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=6cc912f3c2f481aed95e100a8a50b12e12fbe387 [9]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=628adc667fc2ed61442efb31cefa19733100ffe2 [10]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=4e8e6c7b5c0702552347ae229f4ece0585a3b24a [11]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=57b4528f2628b991c870fea53c74b3f4dcd9b508 [12]:https://git.parabola.nu/packages/parabolaiso.git/commit/?id=8fcaa78bfad2dafb9d168f45ddb274e46f06c266 [13]:https://git.parabola.nu/blacklist.git/commit/?id=6ae97ad421aad8c989a48138f9948e8b52cc6895 [14]:https://git.parabola.nu/blacklist.git/commit/?id=899f0e0a7cb93daa887c49e9463312dcfddb82b8 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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