From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Thu Oct  1 12:20:39 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Dev] NL Mirror cert updated
Message-ID: <560D2517.4010601@openmailbox.org>

The expiring HTTPS certificate has been renewed.

# Location: Flevoland, Netherlands
# Responsible: rsa4096/3EAE8697 Luke R. <g4jc at openmailbox.org>
# Work hours: 24*7
# HTTPS cert SHA1 E5:C7:F0:59:F2:3F:E6:CB:BE:FE:8C:D5:A9:BD:AA:4B:AB:06:36:CD
Server = https://parabola.goodgnus.com.ar/$repo/os/$arch


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Oct  1 18:24:29 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:24:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NL Mirror cert updated
In-Reply-To: <560D2517.4010601@openmailbox.org>
References: <560D2517.4010601@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <560D7A5D.8000100@riseup.net>

On 10/01/2015 09:20 AM, Luke wrote:
> The expiring HTTPS certificate has been renewed.
> 
> # Location: Flevoland, Netherlands
> # Responsible: rsa4096/3EAE8697 Luke R. <g4jc at openmailbox.org>
> # Work hours: 24*7
> # HTTPS cert SHA1 E5:C7:F0:59:F2:3F:E6:CB:BE:FE:8C:D5:A9:BD:AA:4B:AB:06:36:CD
> Server = https://parabola.goodgnus.com.ar/$repo/os/$arch

ok, i'll update it then

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Oct  1 18:58:37 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:58:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NL Mirror cert updated
In-Reply-To: <560D7A5D.8000100@riseup.net>
References: <560D2517.4010601@openmailbox.org> <560D7A5D.8000100@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <560D825D.503@riseup.net>

On 10/01/2015 03:24 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/01/2015 09:20 AM, Luke wrote:
>> The expiring HTTPS certificate has been renewed.
>>
>> # Location: Flevoland, Netherlands
>> # Responsible: rsa4096/3EAE8697 Luke R. <g4jc at openmailbox.org>
>> # Work hours: 24*7
>> # HTTPS cert SHA1 E5:C7:F0:59:F2:3F:E6:CB:BE:FE:8C:D5:A9:BD:AA:4B:AB:06:36:CD
>> Server = https://parabola.goodgnus.com.ar/$repo/os/$arch
> 
> ok, i'll update it then

pacman-mirrorlist-20151001-1.parabola1

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Oct  1 19:00:16 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:00:16 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NL Mirror cert updated
In-Reply-To: <560D825D.503@riseup.net>
References: <560D2517.4010601@openmailbox.org> <560D7A5D.8000100@riseup.net>
 <560D825D.503@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <560D82C0.1000809@riseup.net>

On 10/01/2015 03:58 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/01/2015 03:24 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 10/01/2015 09:20 AM, Luke wrote:
>>> The expiring HTTPS certificate has been renewed.
>>>
>>> # Location: Flevoland, Netherlands
>>> # Responsible: rsa4096/3EAE8697 Luke R. <g4jc at openmailbox.org>
>>> # Work hours: 24*7
>>> # HTTPS cert SHA1 E5:C7:F0:59:F2:3F:E6:CB:BE:FE:8C:D5:A9:BD:AA:4B:AB:06:36:CD
>>> Server = https://parabola.goodgnus.com.ar/$repo/os/$arch
>>
>> ok, i'll update it then
> 
> pacman-mirrorlist-20151001-1.parabola1

it was pushed to [libre]


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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu Oct  1 20:39:34 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:39:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [donations] first donation in eur!
Message-ID: <87y4fmxr09.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


tct tells me we just received our first donations through ceata's
sponsorship :)

it's 25 eur!

i've put together a thank you table in the donations page (and it doubles
as treasury)

https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Thanks.21

-- 
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From hellekin at gnu.org  Thu Oct  1 20:55:48 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 17:55:48 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [donations] first donation in eur!
In-Reply-To: <87y4fmxr09.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4fmxr09.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <560D9DD4.1070103@gnu.org>

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On 10/01/2015 05:39 PM, fauno wrote:
> 
> tct tells me we just received our first donations through ceata's
> sponsorship :)
> 

See :)  Congratulations on sealing this deal and making it happen.

==
hk

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From tct at ceata.org  Thu Oct  1 21:11:29 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:11:29 +0300
Subject: [Dev] [donations] first donation in eur!
In-Reply-To: <560D9DD4.1070103@gnu.org>
References: <87y4fmxr09.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <560D9DD4.1070103@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <560DA181.7000700@ceata.org>

On 01.10.2015 23:55, hellekin wrote:
> On 10/01/2015 05:39 PM, fauno wrote:
> 
>> tct tells me we just received our first donations through ceata's
>> sponsorship :)
> 
> 
> See :)  Congratulations on sealing this deal and making it happen.

Thank you for supporting the deal with Ceata, hellekin.

-- 
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GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri

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From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri Oct  2 21:09:23 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:09:23 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [texlive-bin] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151002210923.2920.28069@parabola.nu>

biserangeloff at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* texlive-bin 2015.37497-2.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2015.37497-2.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/texlive-bin/


The user provided the following additional text:

texlive-bin 2015.37497-3 is Available in Arch repos. The update is needed, because of broken dependencies with poppler

looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: texlive-bin: requires poppler=0.33.0




From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat Oct  3 19:55:55 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 19:55:55 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
	out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>

lukpod at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel-adblock-plus 2.6.10-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-adblock-plus/


The user provided the following additional text:

2.6.11



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat Oct  3 19:56:13 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 19:56:13 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat-adblock-plus] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151003195613.420.78645@parabola.nu>

lukpod at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat-adblock-plus 2.6.10-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/icecat-adblock-plus/


The user provided the following additional text:

2.6.11



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun Oct  4 08:51:10 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:51:10 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151004085110.420.63197@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat 38.2.0_gnu1-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat/
* icecat 38.2.0_gnu1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat/
* icecat-debug 38.2.0_gnu1-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat-debug/
* icecat-debug 38.2.0_gnu1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

Upstream updated: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/icecat/icecat-38.3.0-gnu1.tar.bz2



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Oct  4 13:26:22 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:26:22 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus]
	marked	out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


should we replace it with ?block origin instead?  adblock was sold last
week and apparently they keep furthering this "acceptable ads" thing...

Parabola Website Notification <nobody at parabola.nu> writes:

> lukpod at openmailbox.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
>
>
> * iceweasel-adblock-plus 2.6.10-1 [libre] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/any/iceweasel-adblock-plus/
>
>
> The user provided the following additional text:
>
> 2.6.11
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Oct  4 19:23:14 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 16:23:14 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>

On 10/04/2015 10:26 AM, fauno wrote:
> 
> should we replace it with ?block origin instead?  adblock was sold last
> week and apparently they keep furthering this "acceptable ads" thing...
> 
I'll replace it with Adblock Edge [0] that is a fork of the Adblock
Plus. This fork will provide the same features as Adblock Plus but
without "acceptable ads" feature.

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Oct  4 19:30:58 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 16:30:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56117E72.70600@riseup.net>

On 10/04/2015 04:23 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/04/2015 10:26 AM, fauno wrote:
>>
>> should we replace it with ?block origin instead?  adblock was sold last
>> week and apparently they keep furthering this "acceptable ads" thing...
>>
> I'll replace it with Adblock Edge [0] that is a fork of the Adblock
> Plus. This fork will provide the same features as Adblock Plus but
> without "acceptable ads" feature.

[0]:https://bitbucket.org/adstomper/adblockedge

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Oct  4 19:33:16 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 16:33:16 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <56117E72.70600@riseup.net>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
 <56117E72.70600@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56117EFC.10404@riseup.net>

On 10/04/2015 04:30 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/04/2015 04:23 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 10/04/2015 10:26 AM, fauno wrote:
>>>
>>> should we replace it with ?block origin instead?  adblock was sold last
>>> week and apparently they keep furthering this "acceptable ads" thing...
>>>
>> I'll replace it with Adblock Edge [0] that is a fork of the Adblock
>> Plus. This fork will provide the same features as Adblock Plus but
>> without "acceptable ads" feature.
> 
> [0]:https://bitbucket.org/adstomper/adblockedge

i paid attention this fork has been discontinued in favor of Ublock
Origin, so i'll replace with it like you say.


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From icarious at hacari.org  Sun Oct  4 19:56:48 2015
From: icarious at hacari.org (Icarious)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 01:26:48 +0530
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
Message-ID: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>

Me and Emulatorman received this email. I received this few days back. Can anyone look into the matter?

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 19:22:59 +0800
From: "Grace Lee"<grace.lee at sg-nic.cn>
To: "icarious"<icarious at parabola.nu>
Subject: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation


(This matter is related to your company's intellectual property rights.Please transfer following message to your management. Thanks!)
Dear President&CEO,
We are official network solution agency from China. On October 2. 2015,a applicant named Mr. Frank Chen from San Industries Co Ltd wants to record and register the brand name parabola and some domains by our office.
After our original inspection,we find San Industries Co Ltd has nothing to do with you. But If you have permitted this company or you think the application will not damage the interests of your company,please DO NOT reply us, we will fulfill all the registration for San Industries Co Ltd automatically.If you have not allowed the company to apply,please let me know asap.Thank you!
Best Regards, 

Grace Lee

Registration Department
Address:No.11 Beijing Road,Hefei,Anhui,China  
Tel: (+86) 739-5266069
Fax:(+86) 739-5266069


-- 
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GPG Public Key : 0x4428BA28AA2ACCD2
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From niitotantei at riseup.net  Sun Oct  4 20:54:50 2015
From: niitotantei at riseup.net (Daniel Milewski)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 22:54:50 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
In-Reply-To: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
References: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
Message-ID: <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net>

It looks like spam for me. Could you forward the message's headers too?

-- 
Daniel Milewski
GPG key ID: 8D43A4A1
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Oct  4 22:07:42 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 19:07:42 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
 out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <56117EFC.10404@riseup.net>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
 <56117E72.70600@riseup.net> <56117EFC.10404@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5611A32E.6000008@riseup.net>

On 10/04/2015 04:33 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/04/2015 04:30 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 10/04/2015 04:23 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2015 10:26 AM, fauno wrote:
>>>>
>>>> should we replace it with ?block origin instead?  adblock was sold last
>>>> week and apparently they keep furthering this "acceptable ads" thing...
>>>>
>>> I'll replace it with Adblock Edge [0] that is a fork of the Adblock
>>> Plus. This fork will provide the same features as Adblock Plus but
>>> without "acceptable ads" feature.
>>
>> [0]:https://bitbucket.org/adstomper/adblockedge
> 
> i paid attention this fork has been discontinued in favor of Ublock
> Origin, so i'll replace with it like you say.

ice{cat,weasel}-ublock-origin packages pushed [0]

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=d35188e4ff943883232f9e0266d2f1ed132f07c2

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From tct at ceata.org  Sun Oct  4 22:39:02 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 01:39:02 +0300
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
In-Reply-To: <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net>
References: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
 <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5611AA86.2030707@ceata.org>

On 04.10.2015 23:54, Daniel Milewski wrote:
> It looks like spam for me. Could you forward the message's headers too?

I was about to ask the same thing. In Thunderbird-based clients, this is
right click on e-mail -> Forward As -> Attachment.

Thanks.

-- 
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GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri

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From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Sun Oct  4 22:53:28 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 18:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
In-Reply-To: <5611AA86.2030707@ceata.org>
References: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
 <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net> <5611AA86.2030707@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <5611ADE8.4080308@openmailbox.org>

90% probability it's a scam. I've gotten those e-mails too, and I don't
even own a company.

Here's some example scam/spam from (probably) the same group:
http://foremostmedia.blogspot.com/2010/07/notice-of-internet-intellectual.html

On 10/04/2015 06:39 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 04.10.2015 23:54, Daniel Milewski wrote:
>> It looks like spam for me. Could you forward the message's headers too?
> I was about to ask the same thing. In Thunderbird-based clients, this is
> right click on e-mail -> Forward As -> Attachment.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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From alfplayer at mailoo.org  Mon Oct  5 14:48:40 2015
From: alfplayer at mailoo.org (Esteban Carnevale)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:48:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] http://alfplayer.com/parabola disabled temporarily
Message-ID: <20151005114840.7c2cbe458d650993410bf8f2@mailoo.org>

Until the main server bandwidth issue is fixed.


-- 
Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org>


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Mon Oct  5 23:23:28 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:23:28 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
In-Reply-To: <5611ADE8.4080308@openmailbox.org>
References: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
 <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net> <5611AA86.2030707@ceata.org>
 <5611ADE8.4080308@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87a8rwew7j.fsf@abril.charola>

I thought for one second it was real...


El domingo 04 de octubre del 2015 a las 1653 horas, Luke escribi?:

> 90% probability it's a scam. I've gotten those e-mails too, and I don't
> even own a company.
>
> Here's some example scam/spam from (probably) the same group:
> http://foremostmedia.blogspot.com/2010/07/notice-of-internet-intellectual.html
>
> On 10/04/2015 06:39 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> On 04.10.2015 23:54, Daniel Milewski wrote:
>>> It looks like spam for me. Could you forward the message's headers too?
>> I was about to ask the same thing. In Thunderbird-based clients, this is
>> right click on e-mail -> Forward As -> Attachment.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Oct  6 01:38:55 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Fw: parabola Brand Registration Confirmation
In-Reply-To: <87a8rwew7j.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <20151005012648.8477e56b25f8b9910b878a43@hacari.org>
 <1443992090.1036.4.camel@riseup.net> <5611AA86.2030707@ceata.org>
 <5611ADE8.4080308@openmailbox.org> <87a8rwew7j.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <5613262F.9010605@riseup.net>

>From Wikipedia:
> A scam increasing in frequency, as of October 2011, is an email
originating from a domain name registrar or IT consulting company based
in China that purports to notify a trademark holder that another entity
is seeking to register the client?s trademark or business name as a
domain name in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Asia.[3] The email gives the
brand owner a short period in time in which to secure the domain name
for their own. These notifications are essentially solicitations.
Generally, in the event there really is a third-party who is seeking to
register your brand name for nefarious purposes, there are channels
available for addressing such uses if and when they materialize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scams_in_intellectual_property


On 10/05/15 19:23, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> I thought for one second it was real...
> 
> 
> El domingo 04 de octubre del 2015 a las 1653 horas, Luke escribi?:
> 
>> 90% probability it's a scam. I've gotten those e-mails too, and I don't
>> even own a company.
>>
>> Here's some example scam/spam from (probably) the same group:
>> http://foremostmedia.blogspot.com/2010/07/notice-of-internet-intellectual.html
>>
>> On 10/04/2015 06:39 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>> On 04.10.2015 23:54, Daniel Milewski wrote:
>>>> It looks like spam for me. Could you forward the message's headers too?
>>> I was about to ask the same thing. In Thunderbird-based clients, this is
>>> right click on e-mail -> Forward As -> Attachment.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dev mailing list
>>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 


From xihh at riseup.net  Wed Oct  7 06:56:08 2015
From: xihh at riseup.net (Joshua Haase)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 01:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
	out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <5611A32E.6000008@riseup.net>
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
 <56117E72.70600@riseup.net> <56117EFC.10404@riseup.net>
 <5611A32E.6000008@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87si5ntbef.fsf@gmail.com>

Maybe we should document on the wiki how to block adds using /etc/hosts
and where to take good blacklists from.


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct  7 17:59:42 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 19:59:42 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-adblock-plus] marked
	out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <87si5ntbef.fsf@gmail.com> (Joshua Haase's message of "Wed, 07
 Oct 2015 01:56:08 -0500")
References: <20151003195555.420.29949@parabola.nu>
 <87si5qwyrl.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56117CA2.9060307@riseup.net>
 <56117E72.70600@riseup.net> <56117EFC.10404@riseup.net>
 <5611A32E.6000008@riseup.net> <87si5ntbef.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pp0q5zld.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> Maybe we should document on the wiki how to block adds using /etc/hosts
> and where to take good blacklists from.

I use Ad Block Plus with the element hiding helper as a tool for
blocking specific non-ad parts of pages, like huge banners in nice
comics or animated things.  (Or extensions making the computer's fan
loud.)

I'm not optimistic about redirecting domains somewhere else being a
useful educational tool for this.
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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:00:12 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:00:12 +0700
Subject: [Dev] PUR gone
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>

so, what happened to parabola linux user repository (PUR) ? never see
it anymore in the web


From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Thu Oct  8 19:35:53 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Dev] PUR gone
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5616C599.9010306@openmailbox.org>

Hello Dika,
As for as I know we have never had PUR. However we do have PCR (Parabola
Community Repo). When a user requests a strange package or one from AUR,
for example, it generally ends up in the PCR where both the PKGBUILD and
the compiled binary are made available.

I hope this answers your question.

Sincerely,
Luke

On 10/08/2015 11:00 AM, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
> so, what happened to parabola linux user repository (PUR) ? never see
> it anymore in the web
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>


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From gnu_tesla at riseup.net  Thu Oct  8 20:23:18 2015
From: gnu_tesla at riseup.net (gnu_tesla)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 17:23:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Presentaci=C3=B3n?=
Message-ID: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net>

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Hola. El motivo de este email es ofrecerme para ayudar al proyecto
Parabola. Tengo conocimientos de programaci?n que uso como pasatiempo,
no soy un programador (tengo un nivel b?sico de Python, php, sql,
html, e intermedios en C y bash Scripting). Tambi?n hice cursos de
operador linux, de redes, de sysadmin, ethical hacking, LAMP, etc,
pero como curiosidad. . Mi trabajo actual es  docente en f?sica y
matem?ticas. Mi idea es ayudarlos en lo que m?s necesiten, no tengo
problemas en aprender a empaquetar o a mantener la web, a revisar
licencias, a traducir cosas, etc....Saludos cordiales

Hello. The reason for this email is to offer my help to Parabola
project. I have programming skills to use as a hobby, I'm not a
programmer (I have a basic level of Python, PHP, SQL, HTML, and
intermediate in C and bash scripting), <
span id="result_box" class="" lang="en">I study courses of linux
operator, network, sysadmin, ethical hacking, LAMP, etc, for
curiosity. My current job is a teacher in physics and mathematics. My
idea is to help in the most need, I have no trouble learning to pack
or maintain the web, check licenses
, to translate things, etc .... Best Regards
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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Thu Oct  8 21:47:34 2015
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 23:47:34 +0200
Subject: [Dev] PUR gone
In-Reply-To: <5616C599.9010306@openmailbox.org> (Luke's message of "Thu, 8 Oct
 2015 15:35:53 -0400")
References: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5616C599.9010306@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <87vbahkp6x.fsf@hackers.camp>


Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:

> Hello Dika,
> As for as I know we have never had PUR. However we do have PCR (Parabola
> Community Repo). When a user requests a strange package or one from AUR,
> for example, it generally ends up in the PCR where both the PKGBUILD and
> the compiled binary are made available.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Sincerely,
> Luke
>
> On 10/08/2015 11:00 AM, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
>> so, what happened to parabola linux user repository (PUR) ? never see
>> it anymore in the web
>>

PUR - Parabola User Repository

Was a suggestion to make our own AUR, but that mean lot of works from
the server configuration, the web tools and most important the "eye on
the license of the packages and the dependances"

A PUR could be great to let people to make their own building
experience.

kind regards

-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
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From niitotantei at riseup.net  Thu Oct  8 22:01:01 2015
From: niitotantei at riseup.net (Daniel Milewski)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 00:01:01 +0200
Subject: [Dev] =?iso-8859-1?q?Presentaci=F3n?=
In-Reply-To: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net>
References: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <1444341661.2376.7.camel@riseup.net>

> The reason for this email is to offer my help to Parabola project.

We have a wiki page on this topic[1].

> My idea is to help in the most need

If you'd ask me I'd say that the most annoying thing about Parabola is
the way it handles importing packages from Arch. This causes updates to
break and lets nonfree packages slip into Parabola when they're added
in Arch. It's described in more detail on the aforementioned wiki page.

[1] https://wiki.parabola.nu/How_to_help

-- 
Daniel Milewski
GPG key ID: 8D43A4A1
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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:05:52 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:05:52 +0700
Subject: [Dev] PUR gone
In-Reply-To: <87vbahkp6x.fsf@hackers.camp>
References: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5616C599.9010306@openmailbox.org> <87vbahkp6x.fsf@hackers.camp>
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoYAmgE=c=vuvk8NjT1mZGKXyOBTdvb3SA0Q5FTqcHTGjg@mail.gmail.com>

if that so. I see the PUR in parabola website once a long time ago.

2015-10-09 4.47 GMT+07.00, aurelien <aurelien at hackers.camp>:
>
> Luke <g4jc at openmailbox.org> writes:
>
>> Hello Dika,
>> As for as I know we have never had PUR. However we do have PCR (Parabola
>> Community Repo). When a user requests a strange package or one from AUR,
>> for example, it generally ends up in the PCR where both the PKGBUILD and
>> the compiled binary are made available.
>>
>> I hope this answers your question.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Luke
>>
>> On 10/08/2015 11:00 AM, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
>>> so, what happened to parabola linux user repository (PUR) ? never see
>>> it anymore in the web
>>>
>
> PUR - Parabola User Repository
>
> Was a suggestion to make our own AUR, but that mean lot of works from
> the server configuration, the web tools and most important the "eye on
> the license of the packages and the dependances"
>
> A PUR could be great to let people to make their own building
> experience.
>
> kind regards
>
> --
> Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
>


From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:27:05 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:27:05 +0700
Subject: [Dev] PUR gone
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLoYAmgE=c=vuvk8NjT1mZGKXyOBTdvb3SA0Q5FTqcHTGjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoaN094xNnkYQjrPhzsYXL75W2GTGNDkx3gd2pdVG3E8Dg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5616C599.9010306@openmailbox.org> <87vbahkp6x.fsf@hackers.camp>
 <CAKpbLoYAmgE=c=vuvk8NjT1mZGKXyOBTdvb3SA0Q5FTqcHTGjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKpbLob7A1aaicA4WHXHCt-6_mMUY6-vywwb-PrAG7XKrc=AhQ@mail.gmail.com>

> if that so. I see the PUR in parabola website once a long time ago.

and I mean the PUR web interface


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu Oct  8 23:31:21 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 20:31:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Presentaci=C3=B3n?=
In-Reply-To: <1444341661.2376.7.camel@riseup.net>
References: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net> <1444341661.2376.7.camel@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87si5ldjjq.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Daniel Milewski <niitotantei at riseup.net> writes:

>> The reason for this email is to offer my help to Parabola project.
>
> We have a wiki page on this topic[1].

welcome!  tesla is a friend :)

>> My idea is to help in the most need
>
> If you'd ask me I'd say that the most annoying thing about Parabola is
> the way it handles importing packages from Arch. This causes updates to
> break and lets nonfree packages slip into Parabola when they're added
> in Arch. It's described in more detail on the aforementioned wiki page.
>
> [1] https://wiki.parabola.nu/How_to_help

i find it odd when people complain about broken upgrades, since i
haven't broken my parabola since i first installed.  not broken
permanently at least.  but maybe it's me that i don't upgrade once per
hour :P

in db-sync's defense, the whitelist approach would prevent any unknown
package from entering the repos, unfree or otherwise, but this would put
more pressure on us since we'd have to review new packages whenever they
appear.  considering unfree packages bugs agrees more with our pace.

as per broken upgrades because of outdated packages in [libre], maybe we
should play a bit more on versioned dependencies, so an unexpected
upgrade from [core] needing some other upgrade that needs to be
addressed by us in [libre] would be prevented by a versioned dependency
in [libre].

to be more clear, if an upgrade of core/gnupg would break libre/pacman,
libre/pacman should depend on the version of core/gnupg that it was
built against, so the broken upgrade would be prevented.  you won't be
able to break your system until libre/pacman is rebuilt and released :)

-- 
 D
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From coadde at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 00:53:37 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 00:53:37 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
Message-ID: <56171011.2050305@riseup.net>

fyi

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 23:20:51 +0000
From: coadde <coadde at riseup.net>
To: help-grub at gnu.org
CC: emulatorman at parabola.nu

Is there a wiki or way to adapt U-Boot to boot up BeagleBone from GRUB?
I'm talking about it because i'm maintaining grub [0][1] for Parabola
ARMv7 and U-Boot version adapted for GRUB usage called
uboot-grub-beaglebone [2][3] together Andr? who's the maintainer too,
but it doesn't works.

Also, we built U-Boot for BeagleBone called uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre
[4][5] for just U-Boot usage (without GRUB support) and works, so i
suppose that we need add something needed to boot up from GRUB with
U-Boot since i read some sites [6][7] that tells about GRUB support on ARM.

If you could help us, i'll very appreciate :)

regards

M?rcio

[0]:https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/armv7h/grub/
[1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/grub
[2]:https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre-testing/armv7h/uboot-grub-beaglebone/
[3]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone
[4]:https://www.parabola.nu/packages/libre/armv7h/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/
[5]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre
[6]:http://www.hellion.org.uk/blog/posts/grub-on-uboot-on-qemu/
[7]:https://wiki.linaro.org/LEG/Engineering/Kernel/GRUBonUBOOT









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From coadde at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 01:02:42 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 01:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56171232.6030807@riseup.net>

Andrei Borzenkov:
> 08.10.2015 04:11, coadde ?????:
>> Is there a wiki or way to adapt U-Boot to boot up BeagleBone from GRUB?
> 
> I'm not sure I understand it correctly. Normally it is expected that
> hardware directly launches U-Boot that loads and starts GRUB which then
> loads and starts kernel (or whatever). Do you really want to start
> U-Boot from within GRUB?

Yup, similar like says in Linaro wiki [0]. In this case, it explains how
to running GRUB on U-Boot on Versatile Express. In my case, i would
begin to start U-Boot from within GRUB for BeagleBone board.

[0]:https://wiki.linaro.org/LEG/Engineering/Kernel/GRUBonUBOOT

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 01:06:02 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:06:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Presentaci=C3=B3n?=
In-Reply-To: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net>
References: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <561712FA.3070205@riseup.net>

On 10/08/2015 05:23 PM, gnu_tesla wrote:
> Hello. The reason for this email is to offer my help to Parabola
> project. I have programming skills to use as a hobby, I'm not a
> programmer (I have a basic level of Python, PHP, SQL, HTML, and
> intermediate in C and bash scripting), <
> span id="result_box" class="" lang="en">I study courses of linux
> operator, network, sysadmin, ethical hacking, LAMP, etc, for
> curiosity. My current job is a teacher in physics and mathematics. My
> idea is to help in the most need, I have no trouble learning to pack
> or maintain the web, check licenses
> , to translate things, etc .... Best Regards

Hi gnu_tesla, you're welcome!! Recently, we put a announcement that we
are supporting ARMv7 for Parabola [0]. We need man power to
maintain/build/port packages for it, do you like help us on it? if you
haven't a ARMv7 machine, it isn't a problem since that you can build it
from a x86 machine [1] :)

P.D. Now we put U-Boot support for SBCs boards and GRUB for EFI machine,
but i would create uboot-grub package to give GRUB support for SBCs
boards too, coadde wrote a email [2] to get help from grub devs. BTW we
are creating qemu-linaro to emulate more arm boards as BeagleBone for do
testing in virtual machines.

[0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-supports-armv7/
[1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Building_armv7h_packages_on_a_x86_system
[2]:https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2015-10/msg00015.html

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From arvidjaar at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 03:16:16 2015
From: arvidjaar at gmail.com (Andrei Borzenkov)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:16:16 +0300
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <56171232.6030807@riseup.net>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>

09.10.2015 04:02, coadde ?????:
> Andrei Borzenkov:
>> 08.10.2015 04:11, coadde ?????:
>>> Is there a wiki or way to adapt U-Boot to boot up BeagleBone from GRUB?
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand it correctly. Normally it is expected that
>> hardware directly launches U-Boot that loads and starts GRUB which then
>> loads and starts kernel (or whatever). Do you really want to start
>> U-Boot from within GRUB?
>
> Yup, similar like says in Linaro wiki [0]. In this case, it explains how
> to running GRUB on U-Boot on Versatile Express. In my case, i would
> begin to start U-Boot from within GRUB for BeagleBone board.
>

How do you start GRUB in the first place? On U-Boot platforms GRUB 
cannot be run without U-Boot at all (it relies on U-Boot API for 
disk/net IO), so the simplest way to get back to U-Boot is to exit GRUB :)

Otherwise please explain in more details how you build and start GRUB on 
this platform.

> [0]:https://wiki.linaro.org/LEG/Engineering/Kernel/GRUBonUBOOT
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Help-grub mailing list
> Help-grub at gnu.org
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-grub
>



From coadde at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 06:04:52 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:04:52 +0000
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56175904.6000003@riseup.net>

Andrei Borzenkov:
> How do you start GRUB in the first place? On U-Boot platforms GRUB
> cannot be run without U-Boot at all (it relies on U-Boot API for
> disk/net IO), so the simplest way to get back to U-Boot is to exit GRUB :)
> 
> Otherwise please explain in more details how you build and start GRUB on
> this platform.

I built grub under this configuration (GRUB for U-Boot platforms):

	./autogen.sh

	./configure \
		--with-platform="uboot" \
		--target="arm" \
		--disable-efiemu \
		--enable-mm-debug \
		--enable-nls \
		--enable-device-mapper \
		--enable-cache-stats \
		--enable-boot-time \
		--enable-grub-mkfont \
		--enable-grub-mount \
		--prefix="/usr" \
		--bindir="/usr/bin" \
		--sbindir="/usr/bin" \
		--mandir="/usr/share/man" \
		--infodir="/usr/share/info" \
		--datarootdir="/usr/share" \
		--sysconfdir="/etc" \
		--program-prefix="" \
		--with-bootdir="/boot" \
		--with-grubdir="grub" \
		--disable-silent-rules \
		--disable-werror

	make


Those configurations comes from our grub's PKGBUILD [0] and our patch to
detect device tree folder [1]. Those files were created to build grub
for Parabola.

BTW, i created 2 U-Boot packages, the first one called
uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre to start up U-Boot without GRUB for our
linux-libre package. Here are the PKGBUILD [2] and a custom patch with
our custom modifications [3] based on uboot-beaglebone from Arch ARM
[4][5]. It was tested and works well in Parabola, also we put a
announcement [6] about it.

Note: we put linux-libre as suffix in our uboot-beaglebone package for
each specific kernel available in Parabola (eg.
uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre-lts for linux-libre-lts) because our kernel
images use custom names (eg. vmlinuz-linux-libre-grsec) in comparison to
Arch ARM (eg zImage for all kernels) to allow for 2 or more kernels in
the same system once we add GRUB compatibility for the future.

The second one is called uboot-grub-beaglebone, this uboot package was
created to start GRUB in ARMv7, it was based on
uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre. Here are our PKGBUILD [7] and patch [8]
for this package.

Otherwise, we've created a install file to install GRUB automatically
after installing [9], it was based on uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre too [10]

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/grub/PKGBUILD
[1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/grub/grub-10_linux-20_linux_xen-detect-devicetree-dir.patch
[2]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/PKGBUILD
[3]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/0001-parabola-arm-modifications.patch
[4]:https://raw.githubusercontent.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/master/alarm/uboot-beaglebone/PKGBUILD
[5]:https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/alarm/uboot-beaglebone/0001-arch-linux-arm-modifications.patch
[6]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-supports-armv7/
[7]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/PKGBUILD
[8]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/0001-parabola-arm-modifications+grub-support.patch
[9]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/uboot-grub-beaglebone.install
[10]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre.install

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Oct  9 17:43:43 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:43:43 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
> I propose Ceata applies for a joint Parabola-Ceata stand. We can then
> try to raise funds for promotion materials for Parabola (stickers,
> buttons, <add you idea here> etc).
>
> Usually at FOSDEM and other European events, Ceata shares with FSFE
> their stand. It would be nice to share one with Parabola now.
>
> https://submission.fosdem.org/stands.php
>
> And that we try to send a Parabola hacker (living in Europe; maybe
> mtjm?) to Brussels at FOSDEM 2016, to give a talk in the distributions
> dev room.

anyone?  i think it'll be a good opportunity (though i understand
interacting with lots of people can be tiresome :)

-- 
 D
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From arvidjaar at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 17:46:19 2015
From: arvidjaar at gmail.com (Andrei Borzenkov)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:46:19 +0300
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <56175904.6000003@riseup.net>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>

09.10.2015 09:04, coadde ?????:
> Andrei Borzenkov:
>> How do you start GRUB in the first place? On U-Boot platforms GRUB
>> cannot be run without U-Boot at all (it relies on U-Boot API for
>> disk/net IO), so the simplest way to get back to U-Boot is to exit GRUB :)
>>
>> Otherwise please explain in more details how you build and start GRUB on
>> this platform.
>
> I built grub under this configuration (GRUB for U-Boot platforms):
>
> 	./autogen.sh
>
> 	./configure \
> 		--with-platform="uboot" \
> 		--target="arm" \

OK so you have arm-uboot target. This target requires U-Boot; i.e. 
U-Boot starts GRUB. Let's say you are now in GRUB CLI.

Unfortunately I still fail to understand what you are want to achieve. 
Do you want to get back to U-Boot? Do you try to load and jump to 
completely new U-Boot binary? In the latter case what is the reason for 
it (if you needed U-Boot you could just not load GRUB).

> 		--disable-efiemu \
> 		--enable-mm-debug \
> 		--enable-nls \
> 		--enable-device-mapper \
> 		--enable-cache-stats \
> 		--enable-boot-time \
> 		--enable-grub-mkfont \
> 		--enable-grub-mount \
> 		--prefix="/usr" \
> 		--bindir="/usr/bin" \
> 		--sbindir="/usr/bin" \
> 		--mandir="/usr/share/man" \
> 		--infodir="/usr/share/info" \
> 		--datarootdir="/usr/share" \
> 		--sysconfdir="/etc" \
> 		--program-prefix="" \
> 		--with-bootdir="/boot" \
> 		--with-grubdir="grub" \
> 		--disable-silent-rules \
> 		--disable-werror
>
> 	make
>
>
> Those configurations comes from our grub's PKGBUILD [0] and our patch to
> detect device tree folder [1]. Those files were created to build grub
> for Parabola.
>
> BTW, i created 2 U-Boot packages, the first one called
> uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre to start up U-Boot without GRUB for our
> linux-libre package. Here are the PKGBUILD [2] and a custom patch with
> our custom modifications [3] based on uboot-beaglebone from Arch ARM
> [4][5]. It was tested and works well in Parabola, also we put a
> announcement [6] about it.
>
> Note: we put linux-libre as suffix in our uboot-beaglebone package for
> each specific kernel available in Parabola (eg.
> uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre-lts for linux-libre-lts) because our kernel
> images use custom names (eg. vmlinuz-linux-libre-grsec) in comparison to
> Arch ARM (eg zImage for all kernels) to allow for 2 or more kernels in
> the same system once we add GRUB compatibility for the future.
>
> The second one is called uboot-grub-beaglebone, this uboot package was
> created to start GRUB in ARMv7, it was based on
> uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre. Here are our PKGBUILD [7] and patch [8]
> for this package.
>
> Otherwise, we've created a install file to install GRUB automatically
> after installing [9], it was based on uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre too [10]
>
> [0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/grub/PKGBUILD
> [1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/libre/grub/grub-10_linux-20_linux_xen-detect-devicetree-dir.patch
> [2]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/PKGBUILD
> [3]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/0001-parabola-arm-modifications.patch
> [4]:https://raw.githubusercontent.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/master/alarm/uboot-beaglebone/PKGBUILD
> [5]:https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/alarm/uboot-beaglebone/0001-arch-linux-arm-modifications.patch
> [6]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-supports-armv7/
> [7]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/PKGBUILD
> [8]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/0001-parabola-arm-modifications+grub-support.patch
> [9]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/uboot-grub-beaglebone.install
> [10]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre.install
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Help-grub mailing list
> Help-grub at gnu.org
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-grub
>



From coadde at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 20:14:20 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:14:20 +0000
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net> <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5618201C.20905@riseup.net>

Andrei Borzenkov:
> Unfortunately I still fail to understand what you are want to achieve.
> Do you want to get back to U-Boot? Do you try to load and jump to
> completely new U-Boot binary? In the latter case what is the reason for
> it (if you needed U-Boot you could just not load GRUB).

Since U-Boot platforms (eg. BeagleBone Black) GRUB cannot be run without
U-Boot at all, i want that U-Boot starts GRUB to use it, but i don't
know how could do it.

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From gnu_tesla at riseup.net  Fri Oct  9 20:19:08 2015
From: gnu_tesla at riseup.net (gnu_tesla)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:19:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Presentaci=C3=B3n?=
In-Reply-To: <561712FA.3070205@riseup.net>
References: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net> <561712FA.3070205@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5618213C.1050504@riseup.net>

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On 10/08/15 22:06, Andr? Silva wrote:

> 
> Hi gnu_tesla, you're welcome!!
Thanks for the welcome

Recently, we put a announcement that we
> are supporting ARMv7 for Parabola [0]. We need man power to 
> maintain/build/port packages for it, do you like help us on it?
Yes, i like, of course

 if you
> haven't a ARMv7 machine, it isn't a problem since that you can
> build it from a x86 machine [1] :)
> 
> P.D. Now we put U-Boot support for SBCs boards and GRUB for EFI
> machine, but i would create uboot-grub package to give GRUB support
> for SBCs boards too, coadde wrote a email [2] to get help from grub
> devs. BTW we are creating qemu-linaro to emulate more arm boards as
> BeagleBone for do testing in virtual machines.
> 
> [0]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-supports-armv7/ 
> [1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Building_armv7h_packages_on_a_x86_system
>
> 
[2]:https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2015-10/msg00015.html
> 
This weekend i?ll start my self learning. Happy hacking

> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Fri Oct  9 20:52:38 2015
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (aurelien)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 22:52:38 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (fauno@endefensadelsl.org's
 message of "Fri, 09 Oct 2015 14:43:43 -0300")
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp>


fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
>> I propose Ceata applies for a joint Parabola-Ceata stand. We can then
>> try to raise funds for promotion materials for Parabola (stickers,
>> buttons, <add you idea here> etc).
>>
>> Usually at FOSDEM and other European events, Ceata shares with FSFE
>> their stand. It would be nice to share one with Parabola now.
>>
>> https://submission.fosdem.org/stands.php
>>
>> And that we try to send a Parabola hacker (living in Europe; maybe
>> mtjm?) to Brussels at FOSDEM 2016, to give a talk in the distributions
>> dev room.
>
> anyone?  i think it'll be a good opportunity (though i understand
> interacting with lots of people can be tiresome :)

Afaik the closest to Brussel is Xylon, he knows what he speak about, he
keep the things simple, and he is native english spoken.

Kind regards

-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 23:58:16 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 06:58:16 +0700
Subject: [Dev] screenshot for parabola
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoYnLTXJJpCUhvgO_=Dr8hRHCdvgCEoCqPBENiubupUH-g@mail.gmail.com>

 hi parabola developers. can you add screenshot for each next parabola
releases in the download page, because just a plain text telling any
releases is not fun. of course after this we only need to maintain
parabola graphical relese screenshot since parabola main and talking
parabola does not have big differeance in graphics.


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Oct 10 03:09:59 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 00:09:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] screenshot for parabola
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLoYnLTXJJpCUhvgO_=Dr8hRHCdvgCEoCqPBENiubupUH-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoYnLTXJJpCUhvgO_=Dr8hRHCdvgCEoCqPBENiubupUH-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56188187.8060100@riseup.net>

On 10/09/2015 08:58 PM, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
>  hi parabola developers. can you add screenshot for each next parabola
> releases in the download page, because just a plain text telling any
> releases is not fun. of course after this we only need to maintain
> parabola graphical relese screenshot since parabola main and talking
> parabola does not have big differeance in graphics.

I've updated the download page with your screenshots, also i put some of
GNU cartoons created by crazytoon that is one of our hackers :)
btw, he told me that will create some specific cartoons for main and
mate iso too.

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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 05:06:07 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:06:07 +0700
Subject: [Dev] screenshot for parabola
In-Reply-To: <56188187.8060100@riseup.net>
References: <CAKpbLoYnLTXJJpCUhvgO_=Dr8hRHCdvgCEoCqPBENiubupUH-g@mail.gmail.com>
 <56188187.8060100@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <CAKpbLobJtp5UVzVXv+N0e7r4adveu5p_7Me9Z6x94K-WFkcGBg@mail.gmail.com>

   thanks andre the website is awesome now :-D . I have make some
video for parabola graphichal ISO and waiting to be uploaded in
youtube. I will tell later if is been done.

2015-10-10 10.09 GMT+07.00, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net>:
> On 10/09/2015 08:58 PM, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
>>  hi parabola developers. can you add screenshot for each next parabola
>> releases in the download page, because just a plain text telling any
>> releases is not fun. of course after this we only need to maintain
>> parabola graphical relese screenshot since parabola main and talking
>> parabola does not have big differeance in graphics.
>
> I've updated the download page with your screenshots, also i put some of
> GNU cartoons created by crazytoon that is one of our hackers :)
> btw, he told me that will create some specific cartoons for main and
> mate iso too.
>
>


From arvidjaar at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 04:35:52 2015
From: arvidjaar at gmail.com (Andrei Borzenkov)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 07:35:52 +0300
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <5618201C.20905@riseup.net>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net> <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
 <5618201C.20905@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <561895A8.4050201@gmail.com>

09.10.2015 23:14, coadde ?????:
> Andrei Borzenkov:
>> Unfortunately I still fail to understand what you are want to achieve.
>> Do you want to get back to U-Boot? Do you try to load and jump to
>> completely new U-Boot binary? In the latter case what is the reason for
>> it (if you needed U-Boot you could just not load GRUB).
>
> Since U-Boot platforms (eg. BeagleBone Black) GRUB cannot be run without
> U-Boot at all, i want that U-Boot starts GRUB to use it, but i don't
> know how could do it.
>

Oh, I assumed that part was done, sorry.

You simply load and launch GRUB binary using standard U-Boot commands. 
U-Boot must be compiled to support API as I already mentioned. GRUB may 
need to be built with adjusted load address - currently this part is 
hardcoded.

All of this is actually documented on linaro page you already know.

I expect arm-uboot code to be fairly generic in that it is using 
existing U-Boot services to access disk, net and console.

What exactly does not work in your case?


From coadde at riseup.net  Sat Oct 10 14:34:41 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:34:41 +0000
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <561895A8.4050201@gmail.com>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net> <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
 <5618201C.20905@riseup.net> <561895A8.4050201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56192201.9080401@riseup.net>

Andrei Borzenkov:
> Oh, I assumed that part was done, sorry.
> 
> You simply load and launch GRUB binary using standard U-Boot commands.
> U-Boot must be compiled to support API as I already mentioned. GRUB may
> need to be built with adjusted load address - currently this part is
> hardcoded.
> 
> All of this is actually documented on linaro page you already know.

I followed the document on linaro page and i've created a patch for
U-Boot adapted to launch GRUB binary using U-Boot commands [0], it's
based on our version [1] adapted to start up U-Boot only and that works
well.

If you pay attention and compare the patches, i added "#define
CONFIG_API", "#define CONFIG_SYS_MMC_MAX_DEVICE 1" (required to launch
GRUB) and i put the U-boot command to load address "load ${devtype}
${bootpart} ${loadaddr} ${bootdir}/${grubfile}". The remaining U-boot
commands were removed in the patch since i think are useless to launch
GRUB. Could be it the problem?

> What exactly does not work in your case?

It simply don't boot (black screen) and leds don't respond.

[0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/0001-parabola-arm-modifications+grub-support.patch
[1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/0001-parabola-arm-modifications.patch

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From arvidjaar at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 06:55:53 2015
From: arvidjaar at gmail.com (Andrei Borzenkov)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:55:53 +0300
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <56192201.9080401@riseup.net>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net> <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
 <5618201C.20905@riseup.net> <561895A8.4050201@gmail.com>
 <56192201.9080401@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <561A07F9.6040208@gmail.com>

10.10.2015 17:34, coadde ?????:
> Andrei Borzenkov:
>> Oh, I assumed that part was done, sorry.
>>
>> You simply load and launch GRUB binary using standard U-Boot commands.
>> U-Boot must be compiled to support API as I already mentioned. GRUB may
>> need to be built with adjusted load address - currently this part is
>> hardcoded.
>>
>> All of this is actually documented on linaro page you already know.
>
> I followed the document on linaro page and i've created a patch for
> U-Boot adapted to launch GRUB binary using U-Boot commands [0], it's

When you test something it is better to make all steps manually. Anyway, 
commands aliases in U-Boot are pretty much irrelevant and can be 
adjusted later, once you solve it.

> based on our version [1] adapted to start up U-Boot only and that works
> well.
>
> If you pay attention and compare the patches, i added "#define
> CONFIG_API", "#define CONFIG_SYS_MMC_MAX_DEVICE 1" (required to launch
> GRUB) and i put the U-boot command to load address "load ${devtype}
> ${bootpart} ${loadaddr} ${bootdir}/${grubfile}". The remaining U-boot
> commands were removed in the patch since i think are useless to launch
> GRUB. Could be it the problem?
>
>> What exactly does not work in your case?
>
> It simply don't boot (black screen) and leds don't respond.
>

Did you adjust GRUB_KERNEL_ARM_UBOOT_LINK_ADDR to make sure it matches 
U-Boot load_addr? Alternatively you need to manually load grub at 
GRUB_KERNEL_ARM_UBOOT_LINK_ADDR.

> [0]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre-testing/uboot-grub-beaglebone/0001-parabola-arm-modifications+grub-support.patch
> [1]:https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/plain/libre/uboot-beaglebone-linux-libre/0001-parabola-arm-modifications.patch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Help-grub mailing list
> Help-grub at gnu.org
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-grub
>



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun Oct 11 21:48:22 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:48:22 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-grsec] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151011214822.420.53419@parabola.nu>

sigintd at i2pmail.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-grsec 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.1.7_gnu.201509201149-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

New version available.
https://grsecurity.net/download.php#test



From coadde at riseup.net  Mon Oct 12 02:46:24 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:46:24 +0000
Subject: [Dev] How to build and support GRUB for Beaglebone Black?
In-Reply-To: <561A07F9.6040208@gmail.com>
References: <5615C2C9.2090704@riseup.net> <5616AF2A.2000801@gmail.com>
 <56171232.6030807@riseup.net> <56173180.6000204@gmail.com>
 <56175904.6000003@riseup.net> <5617FD6B.4010106@gmail.com>
 <5618201C.20905@riseup.net> <561895A8.4050201@gmail.com>
 <56192201.9080401@riseup.net> <561A07F9.6040208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561B1F00.30402@riseup.net>

Andrei Borzenkov:
> 10.10.2015 17:34, coadde ?????:
>> Andrei Borzenkov:
> When you test something it is better to make all steps manually. Anyway,
> commands aliases in U-Boot are pretty much irrelevant and can be
> adjusted later, once you solve it.

ok, thanks for let me know.

> Did you adjust GRUB_KERNEL_ARM_UBOOT_LINK_ADDR to make sure it matches
> U-Boot load_addr? Alternatively you need to manually load grub at
> GRUB_KERNEL_ARM_UBOOT_LINK_ADDR.

I didn't paid attention on that point since BeagleBone Address Memory is
0x82000000 and GRUB is configured as 0x08000000, maybe it's the issue,
i'll fix it and let you know when it's done.

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Oct 12 12:52:09 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:52:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] Do NOT install glibc-2.22-4
Message-ID: <871td0b66e.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


-- 
http://librevpn.org.ar

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:07:28 +1000
Subject: [arch-dev-public] Do NOT install glibc-2.22-4

allanbrokeit


It installed fine here, then everything slowly died!  I had to find
another system with a ssh key to remove it from the repos so it seems to
have propagated in that time.

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Oct 12 13:12:01 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:12:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?Presentaci=C3=B3n?=
In-Reply-To: <5618213C.1050504@riseup.net>
References: <5616D0B6.6080104@riseup.net> <561712FA.3070205@riseup.net>
 <5618213C.1050504@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87y4f89qou.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

gnu_tesla <gnu_tesla at riseup.net> writes:
>> Hi gnu_tesla, you're welcome!!
> Thanks for the welcome


there're lost of open issues to close ;)

https://labs.parabola.nu/

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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:49:24 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:49:24 +0700
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: lol, parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLoZgr-r0HGtftT9uGsSvUtYsi6TK5e9FhxYkfpqz4Dyz0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoZgr-r0HGtftT9uGsSvUtYsi6TK5e9FhxYkfpqz4Dyz0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoZaBPT1PmaAV7EJT78in1gM7PD6wbnt4Vas1ZAhWaZMqQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dika Setya Prayogi <dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com>
Date: 2015-10-13 17:23 GMT+07:00
Subject: lol, parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic

 Greetings. dont know what to do in my free time I draw this parabola
linux comic, lol very fun. it still in rc freshly draw special for you
guys. and you all are nice guy I meet in the milist and I hope you can
leave your opinion to me about this comic :-D .

login to: http://m.ctrlv.in/
use my account for quick access:
1.username:dikasetyaprayogi
2.pass:789786789786
3.enjoy

it is still 3 parabola linux comic featuring parabola dev see them at
https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/ , and I dont say I will not
make another comic, so just wait what will happen.

and just tell me if there is something wrong
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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 11:17:54 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:17:54 +0700
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: lol, parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLoaSyeLG3SA9CiQLXU1Y-=MLcGzg+ajMSy65thOu7JxCyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoaSyeLG3SA9CiQLXU1Y-=MLcGzg+ajMSy65thOu7JxCyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKpbLob01+m0RGcNaC=JPM25Z4NL-UVhvdkt3obN4Wn0ATmgqQ@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dika Setya Prayogi <dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com>
Date: 2015-10-13 18:14 GMT+07:00
Subject: reply: lol, parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic

Oh yes because the ctrlv site is get updated I give another little details,
click on hi dikasetyaprayogi to see the photos I added, use double hand
gesture to zoom or resize the photo or click on zoom+ in the adrres bar,
the site my be different according to your browser (currently Im use
mozzila), enjoy your day

or if you logged you can continue to http://ctrlv.in/u/dikasetyaprayogi
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Oct 13 11:48:28 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 07:48:28 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [Assist] Fwd: lol,
	parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <CAKpbLob01+m0RGcNaC=JPM25Z4NL-UVhvdkt3obN4Wn0ATmgqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpbLoaSyeLG3SA9CiQLXU1Y-=MLcGzg+ajMSy65thOu7JxCyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKpbLob01+m0RGcNaC=JPM25Z4NL-UVhvdkt3obN4Wn0ATmgqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561CEF8C.8080405@riseup.net>

It's fun to gloat and all, but like other Arch spinoffs, Parabola still
relies on Arch as its upstream. No Arch, no Parabola. And with the vast
majority of things I do in Parabola, I can still rely on the Arch Wiki
to help me get it done. I think of Parabola as an improved version of Arch.

Maybe we should have an off-topic list :P

On 10/13/15 07:17, Dika Setya Prayogi wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Dika Setya Prayogi* <dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com
> <mailto:dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com>>
> Date: 2015-10-13 18:14 GMT+07:00
> Subject: reply: lol, parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
> 
> Oh yes because the ctrlv site is get updated I give another little
> details, click on hi dikasetyaprayogi to see the photos I added, use
> double hand gesture to zoom or resize the photo or click on zoom+ in the
> adrres bar, the site my be different according to your browser
> (currently Im use mozzila), enjoy your day
> 
> or if you logged you can continue to http://ctrlv.in/u/dikasetyaprayogi
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Assist mailing list
> Assist at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
> 


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Oct 13 12:07:37 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:07:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Assist] Fwd: lol,
	parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <561CEF8C.8080405@riseup.net>
References: <CAKpbLoaSyeLG3SA9CiQLXU1Y-=MLcGzg+ajMSy65thOu7JxCyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKpbLob01+m0RGcNaC=JPM25Z4NL-UVhvdkt3obN4Wn0ATmgqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <561CEF8C.8080405@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87mvvn7z06.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

IngeGNUe <ingegnue at riseup.net> writes:

> It's fun to gloat and all, but like other Arch spinoffs, Parabola still
> relies on Arch as its upstream. No Arch, no Parabola. And with the vast
> majority of things I do in Parabola, I can still rely on the Arch Wiki
> to help me get it done. I think of Parabola as an improved version of Arch.
>
> Maybe we should have an off-topic list :P

a comic where being scary to women is supposed to be fun is non-topic :)

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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Oct 13 13:04:14 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:04:14 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [Assist] Fwd: lol,
 parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <87mvvn7z06.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <CAKpbLoaSyeLG3SA9CiQLXU1Y-=MLcGzg+ajMSy65thOu7JxCyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKpbLob01+m0RGcNaC=JPM25Z4NL-UVhvdkt3obN4Wn0ATmgqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <561D014E.1090502@riseup.net>

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You noticed that too? Well thanks fauno! I appreciate that. I had the
same impression, but I thought I was overreacting.


On 10/13/15 08:07, fauno wrote:
> IngeGNUe <ingegnue at riseup.net> writes:
> 
>> It's fun to gloat and all, but like other Arch spinoffs, Parabola
>> still relies on Arch as its upstream. No Arch, no Parabola. And
>> with the vast majority of things I do in Parabola, I can still
>> rely on the Arch Wiki to help me get it done. I think of Parabola
>> as an improved version of Arch.
>> 
>> Maybe we should have an off-topic list :P
> 
> a comic where being scary to women is supposed to be fun is
> non-topic :)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From gnu_tesla at riseup.net  Tue Oct 13 13:51:55 2015
From: gnu_tesla at riseup.net (gnu_tesla)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:51:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev]  [Assist] Fwd: lol,
 parabola linux dev struggle goes on the comic
In-Reply-To: <561D0BFA.7010104@riseup.net>
References: <561D0BFA.7010104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <561D0C7B.70706@riseup.net>

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The "death sight" is not funny for me

On 10/13/15 10:04, IngeGNUe wrote:
> You noticed that too? Well thanks fauno! I appreciate that. I had 
> the same impression, but I thought I was overreacting.
> 
> 
> On 10/13/15 08:07, fauno wrote:
>> IngeGNUe <ingegnue at riseup.net> writes:
> 
>>> It's fun to gloat and all, but like other Arch spinoffs, 
>>> Parabola still relies on Arch as its upstream. No Arch, no 
>>> Parabola. And with the vast majority of things I do in 
>>> Parabola, I can still rely on the Arch Wiki to help me get it 
>>> done. I think of Parabola as an improved version of Arch.
>>> 
>>> Maybe we should have an off-topic list :P
> 
>> a comic where being scary to women is supposed to be fun is 
>> non-topic :)
> 

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From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:10:08 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:10:08 +0700
Subject: [Dev] lol, parabola dev struggle goes on the comic
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoa8im5TihBV3HeTzJs8ze=C98WRtra5AjkgdL49W7+DjA@mail.gmail.com>

IngeGNUe - 18.48
to dev, assist ,wrote:

It's fun to gloat and all, but like other Arch spinoffs, Parabola still
relies on Arch as its upstream. No Arch, no Parabola. And with the vast
majority of things I do in Parabola, I can still rely on the Arch Wiki
to help me get it done. I think of Parabola as an improved version of Arch.
Maybe we should have an off-topic list :P

>Sure IngeGNUe and dont worry, the comic is not about war between arch and parabola, if you look closer it's main story is about misunderstanding and freedom, that makes sense and funy lol since arch is a bit hard to understand distro, arch have some ideology and concept that may hard to understand and it's may thing to spinning some word around. a part of it I add some freedom issue topic that is our work to tell it to the people. and one more thing, I never compare arch and parabola expect for the freedomness and funnies :-D .


From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:25:17 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:25:17 +0700
Subject: [Dev] lol, parabola dev struggle goes on the comic
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoav8q5fu6fwEuTTOLK69vQcnHve+fFJ_ffAd-FTJb3xaQ@mail.gmail.com>

IngeGNUe - 20.04
to dev wrote

You noticed that too? Well thanks fauno! I appreciate that. I had the
same impression, but I thought I was OVERACTING.

>sure because Im dwells in caricature art, it's some easy way to make something funny

 http://www.google.co.id/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caricature&sa=U&ved=0CA0QFjAAahUKEwjW96Ta0r_IAhVMpYgKHUe5C-E&sig2=fOfJ23DGYd5lC2mEotqmuw&usg=AFQjCNH4bSAoKGK2c7f598EQQZ_olZ92qg


From dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 14:33:06 2015
From: dikasetyaprayogi at gmail.com (Dika Setya Prayogi)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:33:06 +0700
Subject: [Dev] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAKpbLoZu2cR0-OuNHN_PZ6=aoALGPOQ-cQyO-DB4O9H1hiw=3g@mail.gmail.com>

gnu_tesla - 20.51
to dev wrote

The "death sight" is not funny for me

>sure because one's perception in the art is different


From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 02:58:53 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
Message-ID: <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I've redacted Greg's email address, because I'm not sure how he feels
about it being public (I've Bcc'd him).

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:57:20 -0400,
Greg Tomko wrote:
> Hi Luke, 
>
> I was just browsing through a reddit thread on fully free distros [1]
> and someone (appropriately) linked to Parabola's page. Noticed the CA
> Cert certificate you're using on the site. I work as a support rep for
> GlobalSign and we offer free SSL Certs for open source projects [2].
> Certainly understand using CA Cert as it's a community maintained CA and
> aligns with the community-oriented nature of Parabola, but if you're
> interested I can set you up with a free 1 year cert. It can cover your
> main site as well as any sub-domains you have under parabola.nu. 
>
> Let me know if you're interested, you can either reply to this e-mail
> for immediate info or send one to [redacted]@globalsign.com and I'll
> be back in the office on Tuesday to process the request! 
>
> [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3oa3n1/using_fully_free_distros/
> [2] https://www.globalsign.com/en/ssl/ssl-open-source/
>
> Cheers,
> Greg 
>
> -- 
> Gregory Tomko 

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the offer!

The plan, to my knowledge, is to get a free cert from Let's Encrypt[1]
when they launch general availability next month.

[1]: https://letsencrypt.org/2015/08/07/updated-lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html

----

However, looking at GlobalSign's offering to OSS projects, they
require you to get an "A" from the SSL Labs checker; so I decided to
take a look[2].  Ignoring that it doesn't like CA Cert, parabola.nu
still only gets a "C".  So we should look in to that (@fauno?).

[2]: https://globalsign.ssllabs.com/analyze.html?d=parabola.nu

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Oct 14 16:42:23 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:42:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
 <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87r3kx5rm8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> I've redacted Greg's email address, because I'm not sure how he feels
> about it being public (I've Bcc'd him).

what happens after the first year?

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From gregory.tomko at globalsign.com  Wed Oct 14 17:16:08 2015
From: gregory.tomko at globalsign.com (Gregory Tomko)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <35f52f213463cba0cda980958fcb6694@gregtomko.com>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
 <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87r3kx5rm8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <35f52f213463cba0cda980958fcb6694@gregtomko.com>
Message-ID: <KL1PR03MB15576DC925167B2D9F7954F6823F0@KL1PR03MB1557.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

After 1 year you just need to re-apply using the same form [1]. As long as your project still meets the requirements, we?ll issue a new coupon code for another year. You?ll have access to the same portal as any other customer where you can manage your cert whether it?s to reissue, revoke, or renew.

Regarding getting an A on the SSL Labs checker, looks like it?s capped at a C, because of using RC4 and a weak DH Key-Size[2]. If you need to support older clients that may be alienated by changing server settings, let me know.

Basically I noticed the untrusted warning when visiting the Parabola site and figured I?d reach out.

[1] https://www.globalsign.com/en/ssl/ssl-open-source/
[2] https://globalsign.ssllabs.com/analyze.html?d=parabola.nu

Let me know if you have any follow up questions.

Kind regards,
Greg

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

Re: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu

Date:

2015-10-14 12:42

From:

fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org<mailto:fauno at endefensadelsl.org>>

To:

dev at lists.parabola.nu<mailto:dev at lists.parabola.nu>



Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net<mailto:lukeshu at sbcglobal.net>> writes:


I've redacted Greg's email address, because I'm not sure how he feels
about it being public (I've Bcc'd him).

what happens after the first year?


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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Thu Oct 15 03:53:28 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:53:28 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <KL1PR03MB15576DC925167B2D9F7954F6823F0@KL1PR03MB1557.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
 <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87r3kx5rm8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <35f52f213463cba0cda980958fcb6694@gregtomko.com>
 <KL1PR03MB15576DC925167B2D9F7954F6823F0@KL1PR03MB1557.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <87twpsdbyf.fsf@abril.charola>

That warning really sucks. Those are the little things that could make Parabola accessible to people, even if
they don't go and download a copy of the ISO.


El mi?rcoles 14 de octubre del 2015 a las 1116 horas, Gregory Tomko escribi?:

> After 1 year you just need to re-apply using the same form [1]. As long as your project still meets the requirements, we?ll issue a new coupon code for another year. You?ll have access to the same portal as any other customer where you can manage your cert whether it?s to reissue, revoke, or renew.
>
> Regarding getting an A on the SSL Labs checker, looks like it?s capped at a C, because of using RC4 and a weak DH Key-Size[2]. If you need to support older clients that may be alienated by changing server settings, let me know.
>
> Basically I noticed the untrusted warning when visiting the Parabola site and figured I?d reach out.
>
> [1] https://www.globalsign.com/en/ssl/ssl-open-source/
> [2] https://globalsign.ssllabs.com/analyze.html?d=parabola.nu
>
> Let me know if you have any follow up questions.
>
> Kind regards,
> Greg
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:
>
> Re: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
>
> Date:
>
> 2015-10-14 12:42
>
> From:
>
> fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org<mailto:fauno at endefensadelsl.org>>
>
> To:
>
> dev at lists.parabola.nu<mailto:dev at lists.parabola.nu>
>
>
>
> Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net<mailto:lukeshu at sbcglobal.net>> writes:
>
>
> I've redacted Greg's email address, because I'm not sure how he feels
> about it being public (I've Bcc'd him).
>
> what happens after the first year?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu<mailto:Dev at lists.parabola.nu>
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de  Thu Oct 15 15:44:13 2015
From: pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de (Florian Pelz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 17:44:13 +0200
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
Message-ID: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de>

Hi. I'm a user of both Parabola and the rEFInd boot manager and would
like to have a proper Parabola icon on my boot screen and eventually ask
for it to be put upstream in rEFInd itself.

I tried [1], but it's a little flat. The Arch Linux rEFInd icon also
uses a more 3d version than the icon on their Web site. Then I took [2]
and put it in Blender and extruded it. A friend told me it would look
better if I extruded it a little more, so I did that too. Here's a
comparison:

https://pelzflorian.de/screenshot_001.bmp

Do you think any of those look good enough for an official Parabola icon
in rEFInd? More generally, what do you think of an official
os_parabola.png in rEFInd?

[1]
https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r128px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
[2]
https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r2048px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg


From ingegnue at riseup.net  Thu Oct 15 16:38:20 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <561FD67C.5070006@riseup.net>

I really like the more extruded one, fwiw. Put next to the Arch logo, I
think it could use a bit more shadow, but exactly how to change it I do
not know.

IngeGNUe

On 10/15/15 11:44, Florian Pelz wrote:
> Hi. I'm a user of both Parabola and the rEFInd boot manager and would
> like to have a proper Parabola icon on my boot screen and eventually ask
> for it to be put upstream in rEFInd itself.
> 
> I tried [1], but it's a little flat. The Arch Linux rEFInd icon also
> uses a more 3d version than the icon on their Web site. Then I took [2]
> and put it in Blender and extruded it. A friend told me it would look
> better if I extruded it a little more, so I did that too. Here's a
> comparison:
> 
> https://pelzflorian.de/screenshot_001.bmp
> 
> Do you think any of those look good enough for an official Parabola icon
> in rEFInd? More generally, what do you think of an official
> os_parabola.png in rEFInd?
> 
> [1]
> https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r128px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> [2]
> https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r2048px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Thu Oct 15 17:46:05 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:46:05 -0600
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>

Hello, logo (re)designer here!

The third one is ok, just diminish the shadow a little bit.


El jueves 15 de octubre del 2015 a las 0944 horas, Florian Pelz escribi?:

> Hi. I'm a user of both Parabola and the rEFInd boot manager and would
> like to have a proper Parabola icon on my boot screen and eventually ask
> for it to be put upstream in rEFInd itself.
>
> I tried [1], but it's a little flat. The Arch Linux rEFInd icon also
> uses a more 3d version than the icon on their Web site. Then I took [2]
> and put it in Blender and extruded it. A friend told me it would look
> better if I extruded it a little more, so I did that too. Here's a
> comparison:
>
> https://pelzflorian.de/screenshot_001.bmp
>
> Do you think any of those look good enough for an official Parabola icon
> in rEFInd? More generally, what do you think of an official
> os_parabola.png in rEFInd?
>
> [1]
> https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r128px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> [2]
> https://projects.parabola.nu/partwork.git/tree/src/img/parabola_officialIcon-default_r2048px2_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de  Thu Oct 15 21:48:05 2015
From: pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de (Florian Pelz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:48:05 +0200
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de>

Hi,

On 10/15/2015 07:46 PM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> Hello, logo (re)designer here!
> 
> The third one is ok, just diminish the shadow a little bit.
> 

Thanks. I made four more of the third one with different shadows. I like
the last one, but maybe you think it is still too dark or too much shadow?

https://pelzflorian.de/screenshot_002.bmp

@IngeGNUe
I don't think an Arch-like shadow would look good on the Parabola. More
highlight / specular is possible though.



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Oct 16 04:00:54 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 01:00:54 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <87twpsdbyf.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
 <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87r3kx5rm8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <35f52f213463cba0cda980958fcb6694@gregtomko.com>
 <KL1PR03MB15576DC925167B2D9F7954F6823F0@KL1PR03MB1557.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <87twpsdbyf.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <877fmn4g3t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:

> That warning really sucks. Those are the little things that could make Parabola accessible to people, even if
> they don't go and download a copy of the ISO.

fwiw we do have an http only page that tells you why we are https only,
try http://parabola.nu

does globalsign provide wildcard certificates?

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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Fri Oct 16 05:46:18 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:46:18 -0600
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>

The last one before the last 3D logo is much better!

El jueves 15 de octubre del 2015 a las 1548 horas, Florian Pelz escribi?:

> Hi,
>
> On 10/15/2015 07:46 PM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> Hello, logo (re)designer here!
>> 
>> The third one is ok, just diminish the shadow a little bit.
>> 
>
> Thanks. I made four more of the third one with different shadows. I like
> the last one, but maybe you think it is still too dark or too much shadow?
>
> https://pelzflorian.de/screenshot_002.bmp
>
> @IngeGNUe
> I don't think an Arch-like shadow would look good on the Parabola. More
> highlight / specular is possible though.

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de  Fri Oct 16 09:14:28 2015
From: pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de (Florian Pelz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:14:28 +0200
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de> <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <5620BFF4.9090409@pelzflorian.de>

On 10/16/2015 07:46 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> The last one before the last 3D logo is much better!
> 

Erm, yeah, they look almost the same.

I put it on Git: https://pelzflorian.de/git/os-parabola/

Is it OK if I ask for the last one [1] (or if you are serious the one
before) to be included in rEFInd and say that this has been discussed
and approved on our mailing list? Is there someone in charge (you?) who
should decide this?

I could do more shadow / more highlight / less dark, but I like it as it is.

[1]
https://pelzflorian.de/git/os-parabola/tree/os_parabola-035-combo-more-specular.png


From gregory.tomko at globalsign.com  Fri Oct 16 11:34:50 2015
From: gregory.tomko at globalsign.com (Gregory Tomko)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:34:50 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu
In-Reply-To: <877fmn4g3t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <c09aefb9a4ec179c1aa1079d12245f8a@gregtomko.com>
 <87r3kycg0i.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87r3kx5rm8.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <35f52f213463cba0cda980958fcb6694@gregtomko.com>
 <KL1PR03MB15576DC925167B2D9F7954F6823F0@KL1PR03MB1557.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <87twpsdbyf.fsf@abril.charola> <877fmn4g3t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB1555286A0B8CD553EAD9C2F2823D0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

> does globalsign provide wildcard certificates?

As a product we do offer wildcard certificates [1]; for the promotion, by default we provide a single domain-validated certificate. If the project has sub-domains they need covered, we allow the addition of sub-domain SANs so that you can cover your primary domain & sub-domains on a single certificate. 

If the project has something like 10 or 20 sub-domains, we can issue a wildcard certificate as part of the promotion, provided that the sub-domains are all related to or in support of the project applying. The other exception is if there is a technical requirement such as automatically generating sub-domains where you wouldn't know them in advance. Sandstorm is a good example of auto-generating sub-domains [2].  

Let me know if you have any follow up questions. 

[1] https://www.globalsign.com/en/ssl/wildcard-ssl/
[2] https://blog.sandstorm.io/news/2015-10-01-free-ssl-certificates.html 

Kind regards,
Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fauno [mailto:fauno at endefensadelsl.org] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:01 AM
To: Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com>; Gregory Tomko <gregory.tomko at globalsign.com>
Cc: dev at lists.parabola.nu
Subject: Re: [Dev] Re/Fwd: SSL Cert for parabola.nu

Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:

> That warning really sucks. Those are the little things that could make 
> Parabola accessible to people, even if they don't go and download a copy of the ISO.

fwiw we do have an http only page that tells you why we are https only, try http://parabola.nu

does globalsign provide wildcard certificates?

--
http://vqfe4xmhxzi7w2uv.onion


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Oct 16 14:02:27 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:02:27 -0300
Subject: [Dev] python packaging
Message-ID: <87wpum3o98.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


hey, question to people knowledgeable in python:

i'm packaging bitmask from the leap project and it depends on a lot of
python2 packages.  the issue is that i found out that `python2 setup.py
install --root=$pkgdir` doesn't verify dependencies, so the build seems
ok until you try to use the package and the import fails.

this is very uncomfortable because i have to test every package to see
what's missing, instead of the build process doing it for me.

how can i make setup.py fail when a dependency isn't met?  or how should
i programatically pull a pypi package and every dependency and generate
correct pkgbuilds from them?

-- 
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Fri Oct 16 16:09:32 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:09:32 +0200
Subject: [Dev] python packaging
In-Reply-To: <87wpum3o98.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (fauno@endefensadelsl.org's
 message of "Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:02:27 -0300")
References: <87wpum3o98.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87vba64wxv.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> the issue is that i found out that `python2 setup.py
> install --root=$pkgdir` doesn't verify dependencies, so the build seems
> ok until you try to use the package and the import fails.

It's ok.

> this is very uncomfortable because i have to test every package to see
> what's missing, instead of the build process doing it for me.

It's what the check() function is for in PKGBUILDs.  Often "setup.py
test" runs tests of the package, while some require running them in a
different way.

> how can i make setup.py fail when a dependency isn't met?

Make the tests fail, or find if easy_install/pip can install with
checking dependencies but not installing them.

> or how should
> i programatically pull a pypi package and every dependency and generate
> correct pkgbuilds from them?

Check how pip does this and generate PKGBUILDs.
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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Fri Oct 16 16:12:23 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:12:23 -0600
Subject: [Dev] python packaging
In-Reply-To: <87wpum3o98.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87wpum3o98.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87k2qmeqs8.fsf@abril.charola>

AFAIK you cannot make setup.py fail when there is a dependency not met. I don't know how you can
generate a package for Parabola from calling the pypi command (but if you know how, just go ahead
and do it; it wouldn't be KISS though).

Another way to tackle this would be to call pypi after the package is installed for installing any
required dependency of that package (this means you have to manually list which package are those,
of course).

Last, but not least, you could check which python modules that package require and pack each module
for Parabola.

El viernes 16 de octubre del 2015 a las 0802 horas, fauno escribi?:

> hey, question to people knowledgeable in python:
>
> i'm packaging bitmask from the leap project and it depends on a lot of
> python2 packages.  the issue is that i found out that `python2 setup.py
> install --root=$pkgdir` doesn't verify dependencies, so the build seems
> ok until you try to use the package and the import fails.
>
> this is very uncomfortable because i have to test every package to see
> what's missing, instead of the build process doing it for me.
>
> how can i make setup.py fail when a dependency isn't met?  or how should
> i programatically pull a pypi package and every dependency and generate
> correct pkgbuilds from them?

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Fri Oct 16 16:18:48 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:18:48 -0600
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <5620BFF4.9090409@pelzflorian.de>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de> <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>
 <5620BFF4.9090409@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <87io66eqhj.fsf@abril.charola>

Well, that's related to the image of Parabola to the users, so I guess is my responsibility to
advice whoever is going to package rEFInd which 3D logo to use.

So, both proposals are OK. The (re)packager of rEFInd should take care of the rest. 

El viernes 16 de octubre del 2015 a las 0314 horas, Florian Pelz escribi?:

> On 10/16/2015 07:46 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> The last one before the last 3D logo is much better!
>> 
>
> Erm, yeah, they look almost the same.
>
> I put it on Git: https://pelzflorian.de/git/os-parabola/
>
> Is it OK if I ask for the last one [1] (or if you are serious the one
> before) to be included in rEFInd and say that this has been discussed
> and approved on our mailing list? Is there someone in charge (you?) who
> should decide this?
>
> I could do more shadow / more highlight / less dark, but I like it as it is.
>
> [1]
> https://pelzflorian.de/git/os-parabola/tree/os_parabola-035-combo-more-specular.png

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de  Fri Oct 16 16:38:24 2015
From: pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de (Florian Pelz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:38:24 +0200
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <87io66eqhj.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de> <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>
 <5620BFF4.9090409@pelzflorian.de> <87io66eqhj.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <56212800.9090202@pelzflorian.de>

I put the last proposal at [1].

On 10/16/2015 06:18 PM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> Well, that's related to the image of Parabola to the users, so I guess is my responsibility to
> advice whoever is going to package rEFInd which 3D logo to use.
> 
> So, both proposals are OK. The (re)packager of rEFInd should take care of the rest. 

Currently Parabola's refind-efi package is the same as the one Arch
Linux uses. I'd prefer asking rEFInd's developer to include the image
upstream rather than repackaging if you're okay with it.

[1] https://pelzflorian.de/os_parabola.png


From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun Oct 18 00:57:54 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:57:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [systemd] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151018005754.481.29221@parabola.nu>

a at b.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* systemd 226-3.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/systemd/
* systemd 227-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/systemd/
* systemd 227-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/systemd/
* systemd-debug 226-3.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/systemd-debug/
* systemd-debug 227-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/systemd-debug/
* systemd-debug 227-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/systemd-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

Systemd is now at 227.



From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sun Oct 18 05:35:01 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 23:35:01 -0600
Subject: [Dev] rEFInd icon
In-Reply-To: <56212800.9090202@pelzflorian.de>
References: <561FC9CD.50003@pelzflorian.de> <87twpsnhya.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56201F15.6000802@pelzflorian.de> <87lhb34b85.fsf@abril.charola>
 <5620BFF4.9090409@pelzflorian.de> <87io66eqhj.fsf@abril.charola>
 <56212800.9090202@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <87y4f091tm.fsf@abril.charola>

That's find too!

El viernes 16 de octubre del 2015 a las 1038 horas, Florian Pelz escribi?:

> I put the last proposal at [1].
>
> On 10/16/2015 06:18 PM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> Well, that's related to the image of Parabola to the users, so I guess is my responsibility to
>> advice whoever is going to package rEFInd which 3D logo to use.
>> 
>> So, both proposals are OK. The (re)packager of rEFInd should take care of the rest. 
>
> Currently Parabola's refind-efi package is the same as the one Arch
> Linux uses. I'd prefer asking rEFInd's developer to include the image
> upstream rather than repackaging if you're okay with it.
>
> [1] https://pelzflorian.de/os_parabola.png

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Oct 19 11:56:10 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:56:10 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
Message-ID: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>

Hi guys, since coadde and me are porting our x86 bootloaders (eg. GRUB
and also Lilo) to ARMv7, we need donations to buy or receive a
BeagleBone Black to continue develop it for those boards. It requires
have a real machine to be near at hand to do trial and error testing,
not from ssh or virtual environments because it's a bootloader porting.

We want BeagleBone Black because it's the one of most popular/hardest
single-board computers (SBCs) to do it. coadde and me are brazilian
hackers, however are in Uruguay/Argentina for now and only place that
sells it in Uruguay is robotec.com.uy at U$S 153.37, and Argentina i
could buy it through mercadolibre.com.ar at similar cost.

So, if somebody could help us on it, i'll very appreciate :)

Note: i don't know if it needs a power supply to works, then if you know
about it, please let me know.

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Oct 19 13:04:57 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:04:57 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
Message-ID: <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>

On 10/19/2015 09:36 AM, Greg Tomko wrote:
> Hi Andr?,
> 
> The BeagleBone Black does require a power supply, I checked their main
> site [1]. One thought I had was someone buying it from the U.S. and
> shipping it. I found it for $49.99 [2] and since it's under $50 USD I
> think it's excluded from VAT and other taxes, it just needs to be
> shipped with PS Form 6182 [3].
>
> With all that said, I'm not sure if it's more of a hassle though to go
> that route and if there is a risk of it getting stuck at customs. If
> it does make sense, put that idea out to the group. Otherwise, what
> options do you have for receiving funds? I'm willing to make a donation
> for this. I didn't reply to the group because I'm selective of when I
> want my name out there. :)

You're right, shipping in Uruguay under $ 50 USD are excluded from VAT
and other taxes, and it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182, also
i suggest you declare it as gift and we won't have problems with
customs. Since 2 years ago, i bought some devices (eg. a cpu in Hong
Kong and US) via online under those requirements without problems.

However, if you aren't sure send it under this way, you can donate with
money under wire tranfer to our Parabola fund account [0] or money
transfer under Western Union/More directly to coadde or me.

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Wire_transfers

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From gregory.tomko at globalsign.com  Mon Oct 19 13:11:13 2015
From: gregory.tomko at globalsign.com (Gregory Tomko)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
 <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Guess it went to the full mailing list anyway. Oh well. (Hi everyone)

I'll look into this a bit more and figure out which way I'll approach. Either way, I'll get you guys a Beaglebone Black! 

-Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Dev [mailto:dev-bounces at lists.parabola.nu] On Behalf Of Andr? Silva
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:05 AM
To: Parabola Mail List <dev at lists.parabola.nu>
Subject: Re: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation

On 10/19/2015 09:36 AM, Greg Tomko wrote:
> Hi Andr?,
> 
> The BeagleBone Black does require a power supply, I checked their main 
> site [1]. One thought I had was someone buying it from the U.S. and 
> shipping it. I found it for $49.99 [2] and since it's under $50 USD I 
> think it's excluded from VAT and other taxes, it just needs to be 
> shipped with PS Form 6182 [3].
>
> With all that said, I'm not sure if it's more of a hassle though to go 
> that route and if there is a risk of it getting stuck at customs. If 
> it does make sense, put that idea out to the group. Otherwise, what 
> options do you have for receiving funds? I'm willing to make a 
> donation for this. I didn't reply to the group because I'm selective 
> of when I want my name out there. :)

You're right, shipping in Uruguay under $ 50 USD are excluded from VAT and other taxes, and it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182, also i suggest you declare it as gift and we won't have problems with customs. Since 2 years ago, i bought some devices (eg. a cpu in Hong Kong and US) via online under those requirements without problems.

However, if you aren't sure send it under this way, you can donate with money under wire tranfer to our Parabola fund account [0] or money transfer under Western Union/More directly to coadde or me.

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Wire_transfers


From greg at gregtomko.com  Mon Oct 19 13:13:18 2015
From: greg at gregtomko.com (Greg Tomko)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
 <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
 <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a1374ca8ded0dd30f297c2acece29042@gregtomko.com>

 

Should have replied from this e-mail. Please do not affiliate the
purchase with the other e-mail. 

-Greg 

On 2015-10-19 09:11, Gregory Tomko wrote: 

> Guess it went to the full mailing list anyway. Oh well. (Hi everyone)
> 
> I'll look into this a bit more and figure out which way I'll approach. Either way, I'll get you guys a Beaglebone Black! 
> 
> -Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dev [mailto:dev-bounces at lists.parabola.nu] On Behalf Of Andr? Silva
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:05 AM
> To: Parabola Mail List <dev at lists.parabola.nu>
> Subject: Re: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
> 
> On 10/19/2015 09:36 AM, Greg Tomko wrote: 
> 
>> Hi Andr?,
>> 
>> The BeagleBone Black does require a power supply, I checked their main 
>> site [1]. One thought I had was someone buying it from the U.S. and 
>> shipping it. I found it for $49.99 [2] and since it's under $50 USD I 
>> think it's excluded from VAT and other taxes, it just needs to be 
>> shipped with PS Form 6182 [3].
>> 
>> With all that said, I'm not sure if it's more of a hassle though to go 
>> that route and if there is a risk of it getting stuck at customs. If 
>> it does make sense, put that idea out to the group. Otherwise, what 
>> options do you have for receiving funds? I'm willing to make a 
>> donation for this. I didn't reply to the group because I'm selective 
>> of when I want my name out there. :)
> 
> You're right, shipping in Uruguay under $ 50 USD are excluded from VAT and other taxes, and it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182, also i suggest you declare it as gift and we won't have problems with customs. Since 2 years ago, i bought some devices (eg. a cpu in Hong Kong and US) via online under those requirements without problems.
> 
> However, if you aren't sure send it under this way, you can donate with money under wire tranfer to our Parabola fund account [0 [1]] or money transfer under Western Union/More directly to coadde or me.
> 
> [0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Wire_transfers [1]
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev [2]
 

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Oct 19 13:15:27 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:15:27 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
 <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
 <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5624ECEF.5050209@riseup.net>

On 10/19/2015 10:11 AM, Gregory Tomko wrote:
> Guess it went to the full mailing list anyway. Oh well. (Hi everyone)
> 
> I'll look into this a bit more and figure out which way I'll approach. Either way, I'll get you guys a Beaglebone Black!

Thanks so much for your support and help! :)


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Oct 19 14:29:59 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:29:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <a1374ca8ded0dd30f297c2acece29042@gregtomko.com>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
 <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
 <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <a1374ca8ded0dd30f297c2acece29042@gregtomko.com>
Message-ID: <5624FE67.1070000@riseup.net>

On 10/19/2015 10:13 AM, Greg Tomko wrote:
> Should have replied from this e-mail. Please do not affiliate the
> purchase with the other e-mail.

ok, thanks for let us know.


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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Mon Oct 19 17:05:27 2015
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:05:27 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

The beaglebone black is very versatile. Use any 5 V barrel connector 
power supply, with at least .5 A for headless mode. Alternatively you 
may use a miniUSB (mini, not micro) cable.

If you enable the g_ether kernel module and configure the usb0 network 
interface you can use a single miniUSB cable for both power and 
ethernet over USB. It's very handy and portable.

Le lun. 19 oct. 2015 ? 6:56, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> a 
?crit :
> Note: i don't know if it needs a power supply to works, then if you 
> know
> about it, please let me know.
> 
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Oct 19 18:27:18 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:27:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>

On 10/19/2015 02:05 PM, Isaac David wrote:
> The beaglebone black is very versatile. Use any 5 V barrel connector
> power supply, with at least .5 A for headless mode. Alternatively you
> may use a miniUSB (mini, not micro) cable.

I read that could buy a 5V power supply with 2A is enough for it[0] but
i didn't knew about miniUSB :)

> If you enable the g_ether kernel module and configure the usb0 network
> interface you can use a single miniUSB cable for both power and ethernet
> over USB. It's very handy and portable.

Cool! Thanks for let me know.

[0]:https://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=993-1050-ND&WT.z_slp_buy=TI_BeagleBoard

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From nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 05:05:48 2015
From: nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com (Nicolas Floquet)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:05:48 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5624ECEF.5050209@riseup.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:15:27 -0300")
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <3cf327717e911859eda4aac80f1399ca@gregtomko.com>
 <5624EA79.3060205@riseup.net>
 <HK2PR03MB1555BD9B91CB464BA433574E823A0@HK2PR03MB1555.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <8737x6m8nn.fsf@gmail.com>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

> On 10/19/2015 10:11 AM, Gregory Tomko wrote:
>> I'll look into this a bit more and figure out which way I'll
>> approach. Either way, I'll get you guys a Beaglebone Black!
>
> Thanks so much for your support and help! :)

Thank you! :)

-- 
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 13:52:01 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:52:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>

On 10/19/2015 03:27 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/19/2015 02:05 PM, Isaac David wrote:
>> The beaglebone black is very versatile. Use any 5 V barrel connector
>> power supply, with at least .5 A for headless mode. Alternatively you
>> may use a miniUSB (mini, not micro) cable.
> 
> I read that could buy a 5V power supply with 2A is enough for it[0] but
> i didn't knew about miniUSB :)
> 
>> If you enable the g_ether kernel module and configure the usb0 network
>> interface you can use a single miniUSB cable for both power and ethernet
>> over USB. It's very handy and portable.
> 
> Cool! Thanks for let me know.
> 
> [0]:https://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=993-1050-ND&WT.z_slp_buy=TI_BeagleBoard
> 

Following the suggestions of Isaac, Greg and some details i've read
about BeagleBone Black, i've created a list with needed things that we
should spend from our donations to coadde continue his GRUB and another
bootloaders porting for ARMv7:

* BeagleBone Black Rev C - U$S 153.37 [0]

* Adafruit Bone Box (Enclosure for BeagleBone) - U$S 39.04 [1]

* HDMI to VGA cable - U$S 9 (coadde hasn't HDMI monitor) [2]

* 5V power supply with 2A - U$S 7 [3]

Buy BeagleBone in Uruguay is more cheaper than Argentina, however, if we
consider buy BeagleBone Black expensive yet, we could buy it at MCM
Electronics site [4] and shipping it to coadde.

It costs $49.99 and since it's under $50 USD, it's excluded from VAT and
other taxes in Uruguay, it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182
[5], however we should keep in mind that we could have a risk of it
getting stuck at Uruguayan customs.

I did it some time ago without problems in Uruguay because the sender
shipped it as gift, then there's a possibility do it, Argentinian way
it's impossible.

BTW, when we've made the purchase about it, we should print all purchase
invoices and send to Parabola to keep transparency.

[0]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-429807084-beaglebone-black-rev-c-4gb-flash-pre-installed-debian-_JM
[1]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-430336887-adafruit-bone-box-enclosure-for-beagle-bone-_JM
[2]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-430069458-cable-hdmi-a-vga-de-15-metros-6-pagos-zonalaptop-_JM
[3]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-429331429-transformador-220v-a-5-volts-2-amper-varios-usos-5v-2a-_JM
[4]:http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16241
[5]:https://about.usps.com/publications/pub141/uruguay.htm

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Oct 21 14:33:29 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:33:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87wpugxpdy.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>
> * BeagleBone Black Rev C - U$S 153.37 [0]
>
> * Adafruit Bone Box (Enclosure for BeagleBone) - U$S 39.04 [1]

is this really needed? it's expensive for a plastic box no?

> * HDMI to VGA cable - U$S 9 (coadde hasn't HDMI monitor) [2]
>
> * 5V power supply with 2A - U$S 7 [3]
>
> Buy BeagleBone in Uruguay is more cheaper than Argentina, however, if we
> consider buy BeagleBone Black expensive yet, we could buy it at MCM
> Electronics site [4] and shipping it to coadde.
>
> It costs $49.99 and since it's under $50 USD, it's excluded from VAT and
> other taxes in Uruguay, it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182
> [5], however we should keep in mind that we could have a risk of it
> getting stuck at Uruguayan customs.

would it be possible and cheaper if someone buys the stuff where there's
stock and send it to you declaring the correct price and filling the
forms needed?

-- 
:O
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct 21 16:53:35 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:53:35 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:52:01 -0300")
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <56253606.1000604@riseup.net> <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> * BeagleBone Black Rev C - U$S 153.37 [0]

Your country is very expensive.

> * Adafruit Bone Box (Enclosure for BeagleBone) - U$S 39.04 [1]

My Hammond case costed ~6x less.

> * 5V power supply with 2A - U$S 7 [3]

I wouldn't buy one without checking its barrel connector dimensions, I
have two SBCs with different ones.

A TTL 3.3V UART adapter is missing from your list.  Do you have these?
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 17:47:02 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:47:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 01:53 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>> * BeagleBone Black Rev C - U$S 153.37 [0]
> 
> Your country is very expensive.

Yup, Uruguay all is very expensive (eg. computer, food, etc.), if you
pay attention i need pay the electric bill approx 300 euros per month.
Then i have plans to move in defined to Argentina (live costs are ~3x or
~4x less than Uruguay) or my home country (Brazil).

>> * Adafruit Bone Box (Enclosure for BeagleBone) - U$S 39.04 [1]
> 
> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.

If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.

>> * 5V power supply with 2A - U$S 7 [3]
> 
> I wouldn't buy one without checking its barrel connector dimensions, I
> have two SBCs with different ones.
> 
> A TTL 3.3V UART adapter is missing from your list.  Do you have these?
> 

I don't have it, if somebody could donate it, i'll very appreciate.

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 17:49:20 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:49:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <87wpugxpdy.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87wpugxpdy.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5627D020.4040104@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 11:33 AM, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>
>> * BeagleBone Black Rev C - U$S 153.37 [0]
>>
>> * Adafruit Bone Box (Enclosure for BeagleBone) - U$S 39.04 [1]
> 
> is this really needed? it's expensive for a plastic box no?

Sure, i thought it was needed, then we discard it

>> * HDMI to VGA cable - U$S 9 (coadde hasn't HDMI monitor) [2]
>>
>> * 5V power supply with 2A - U$S 7 [3]
>>
>> Buy BeagleBone in Uruguay is more cheaper than Argentina, however, if we
>> consider buy BeagleBone Black expensive yet, we could buy it at MCM
>> Electronics site [4] and shipping it to coadde.
>>
>> It costs $49.99 and since it's under $50 USD, it's excluded from VAT and
>> other taxes in Uruguay, it just needs to be shipped with PS Form 6182
>> [5], however we should keep in mind that we could have a risk of it
>> getting stuck at Uruguayan customs.
> 
> would it be possible and cheaper if someone buys the stuff where there's
> stock and send it to you declaring the correct price and filling the
> forms needed?

Yup, that is possible, i never had problems to receive shipment in
Uruguay if the sender follow the requirements correctly.

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct 21 18:07:40 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:07:40 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:47:02 -0300")
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
 <56253606.1000604@riseup.net> <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
 <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu> <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

>> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.
>
> If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.

I wouldn't use a bare board at home, there is too much static
electricity there.  But these aren't very needed.

>> A TTL 3.3V UART adapter is missing from your list.  Do you have these?
>> 
>
> I don't have it, if somebody could donate it, i'll very appreciate.

Mine is Adafruit 954 [0] bought at [1].  Similar ones should be
available elsewhere (choose one with separate 3.3V wires, not a single
header for a specific different SBC).  Don't connect the red cable.

I asked, since I consider it the most important device when accessing
these computers.  They provide all info when u-boot configuration,
microSD card or (in Cubieboard) a filesystem on a SATA SSD fails, before
Ethernet can be used.

[0] https://www.adafruit.com/product/954
[1] https://kamami.pl/zestawy-uruchomieniowe-programatory-moduly/199857-usb-to-ttl-serial-cable-debug-console-cable-for-raspberry-pi-rohs.html
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 19:36:46 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5627E94E.9040005@riseup.net>

> * HDMI to VGA cable - U$S 9 (coadde hasn't HDMI monitor) [2]

Well, careful here as you need a *micro* HDMI to VGA, not regular HDMI
(and not mini HDMI either)


From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Wed Oct 21 19:36:52 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net> <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <5627E954.6000404@openmailbox.org>

On 10/21/2015 02:07 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>>> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.
>> If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.
> I wouldn't use a bare board at home, there is too much static
> electricity there.  But these aren't very needed.
>
>

I actually use my Udoo board in a plastic GLAD temporary food storage
container, it was a lot cheaper than buying the official case and it's
been in there for some years now without any issues. So I'd just like to
mention that you can be very creative on what you store the device in,
it doesn't have to be commercial casing... :D


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 19:51:18 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:51:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net> <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <5627ECB6.6070604@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 03:07 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>>> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.
>>
>> If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.
> 
> I wouldn't use a bare board at home, there is too much static
> electricity there.  But these aren't very needed.

Static electricity is a problem, but coadde could use without it for
now, meanwhile he should consider create a homemade case until raise
money for buy a cheap one in the future.

>>> A TTL 3.3V UART adapter is missing from your list.  Do you have these?
>>>
>>
>> I don't have it, if somebody could donate it, i'll very appreciate.
> 
> Mine is Adafruit 954 [0] bought at [1].  Similar ones should be
> available elsewhere (choose one with separate 3.3V wires, not a single
> header for a specific different SBC).  Don't connect the red cable.

Ok, i'll try get one around here for him and let you know.

> I asked, since I consider it the most important device when accessing
> these computers.  They provide all info when u-boot configuration,
> microSD card or (in Cubieboard) a filesystem on a SATA SSD fails, before
> Ethernet can be used.

Thanks for let me know, it's very important for GRUB porting.

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 19:54:27 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:54:27 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5627E94E.9040005@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
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Message-ID: <5627ED73.3060709@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 04:36 PM, IngeGNUe wrote:
>> * HDMI to VGA cable - U$S 9 (coadde hasn't HDMI monitor) [2]
> 
> Well, careful here as you need a *micro* HDMI to VGA, not regular HDMI
> (and not mini HDMI either)

Thanks, i didn't know about it!


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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 20:00:28 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:00:28 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5627E954.6000404@openmailbox.org>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <5627CF96.1000608@riseup.net> <87mvvc3xjn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
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Message-ID: <5627EEDC.2050006@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 04:36 PM, Luke wrote:
> On 10/21/2015 02:07 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>>>> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.
>>> If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.
>> I wouldn't use a bare board at home, there is too much static
>> electricity there.  But these aren't very needed.
>>
>>
> 
> I actually use my Udoo board in a plastic GLAD temporary food storage
> container, it was a lot cheaper than buying the official case and it's
> been in there for some years now without any issues. So I'd just like to
> mention that you can be very creative on what you store the device in,
> it doesn't have to be commercial casing... :D

Great idea, i thought use plastic food storage container for boards as
BeagleBone Black was impossible, then it's way to solve it :D

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Oct 21 20:16:52 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:16:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
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References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
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Message-ID: <5627F2B4.6080805@riseup.net>

On 10/21/2015 04:51 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/21/2015 03:07 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>>>> A TTL 3.3V UART adapter is missing from your list.  Do you have these?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have it, if somebody could donate it, i'll very appreciate.
>>
>> Mine is Adafruit 954 [0] bought at [1].  Similar ones should be
>> available elsewhere (choose one with separate 3.3V wires, not a single
>> header for a specific different SBC).  Don't connect the red cable.
> 
> Ok, i'll try get one around here for him and let you know.
> 

I found it [0] and it's the cheapest one around here to buy for coadde.

[0]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-429678001-usb-to-ttl-serial-cable-debug-console-cable-for-raspberr-_JM

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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Thu Oct 22 00:32:19 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [ARM] BeagleBone Black donation
In-Reply-To: <5627EEDC.2050006@riseup.net>
References: <5624DA5A.6080005@riseup.net>
 <1445274327.3943.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <56253606.1000604@riseup.net>
 <56279881.3070101@riseup.net> <87r3ko40z4.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
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On 10/21/15 16:00, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 10/21/2015 04:36 PM, Luke wrote:
>> On 10/21/2015 02:07 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>>>>> My Hammond case costed ~6x less.
>>>> If it doesn't needed, then we won't buy it thought.
>>> I wouldn't use a bare board at home, there is too much static
>>> electricity there.  But these aren't very needed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I actually use my Udoo board in a plastic GLAD temporary food storage
>> container, it was a lot cheaper than buying the official case and it's
>> been in there for some years now without any issues. So I'd just like to
>> mention that you can be very creative on what you store the device in,
>> it doesn't have to be commercial casing... :D
> 
> Great idea, i thought use plastic food storage container for boards as
> BeagleBone Black was impossible, then it's way to solve it :D
+1 to this and also, the first official case I bought didn't even fit
the board, so I had to get them to replace it for me. Plastic food
container with holes in it would work just as well if not better (sorry!)

By the way, be very careful with the board -- I broke off the micro HDMI
port because I left the cable attached while it was in my suitcase.
Unplug all cables before storing! D:

> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
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From encycl at parlementum.red  Thu Oct 22 01:24:38 2015
From: encycl at parlementum.red (Charles E Roth)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:38 -0700
Subject: [Dev] parabolagnulinux.org is expiring at the end of November
Message-ID: <56283AD6.5000502@parlementum.red>

Is it still needed? Please advise.

-- 
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Cultural Detective, Wistful Writer, Curious Antiquary, Noted Pedestrian, & Voracious Reader
Books I've read in 2015: 
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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Thu Oct 22 03:40:44 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:40:44 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [Assist] Logo & Artwork Parabola
In-Reply-To: <562779C7.2020501@riseup.net>
References: <562417BD.70103@neviani.fr> <562445AE.90504@gnu.org.pe>
 <562492EE.7010802@pelzflorian.de> <5624935C.8060008@pelzflorian.de>
 <5626C8BC.5020902@gmail.com> <562779C7.2020501@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <871tcnzi2r.fsf@abril.charola>

Uh, can Ceata helps us with is? or I don't know

El mi?rcoles 21 de octubre del 2015 a las 0540 horas, IngeGNUe escribi?:

> I would buy these too. :)
>
> On 10/20/15 19:05, Beno?t wrote:
>> many thanks all for your replies.
>> I was wondering if any Parabola stickers exists...
>> In the past when I was under Arch I bought one on this website and I am just 
>> making a try with Parabola.
>> I don't know if anyone would be interesting but just in case this is an idea for 
>> 20 stickers (about the size of Dell logo to cover it!)
>> 
>> belette
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19/10/15 08:53, Florian Pelz wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2015 08:51 AM, Florian Pelz wrote:
>>>> There's also [1]. Don't know why there's two art git repos, one of them
>>>> empty.
>>>>
>>> Of course stupid me didn't see it wasn't empty. You can use the branch
>>> selection inhttps://projects.parabola.nu/artwork.git/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Assist mailing list
>>> Assist at lists.parabola.nu
>>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Assist mailing list
>> Assist at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Assist mailing list
> Assist at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Thu Oct 22 05:51:03 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:51:03 +0200
Subject: [Dev] parabolagnulinux.org is expiring at the end of November
In-Reply-To: <56283AD6.5000502@parlementum.red> (Charles E. Roth's message of
 "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:24:38 -0700")
References: <56283AD6.5000502@parlementum.red>
Message-ID: <87h9lj4fjs.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> Is it still needed? Please advise.

It is, people still use it to send mails to the list and access it via
HTTP.
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu Oct 22 23:49:53 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:49:53 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [firejail] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151022234953.417.27545@parabola.nu>

john at doe.gnu wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* firejail 0.9.30-2 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/firejail/
* firejail 0.9.30-2 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/firejail/


The user provided the following additional text:

https://l3net.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/firejail-0-9-32-rc1-release-announcement/



From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Sat Oct 24 00:54:36 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [firejail] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20151022234953.417.27545@parabola.nu>
References: <20151022234953.417.27545@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <562AD6CC.5040906@openmailbox.org>

New firejail has been pushed to all platforms - it's important to
upgrade since there was a vunerability found.
I've also included several patches to protect your cryptocoins,
chatlogs, and passwords. There is a pull request upstream for
implemenation of these patches.

Patches available for viewing here:
https://projects.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/pcr/firejail?id=9b0c218fb7eee82246ee600ac3fba6c17075a28a


On 10/22/2015 07:49 PM, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> john at doe.gnu wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
>
>
> * firejail 0.9.30-2 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/firejail/
> * firejail 0.9.30-2 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/firejail/
>
>
> The user provided the following additional text:
>
> https://l3net.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/firejail-0-9-32-rc1-release-announcement/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat Oct 24 17:25:14 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:25:14 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-grsec] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151024172514.420.24633@parabola.nu>

me at example.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.3_gnu.201510191935-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

4.2.4 is out



From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun Oct 25 16:25:25 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:25:25 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151025162525.417.16866@parabola.nu>

me at example.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.3_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

4.2.4 is out



From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu Oct 29 22:52:18 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 22:52:18 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151029225218.417.79252@parabola.nu>

dejavu at tuta.io wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre/
* linux-libre 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-docs 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-docs/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-headers/
* linux-libre-headers 4.2.4_gnu-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

The latest release of the linux-libre kernel is 4.2.5-gnu.

http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/4.2.5-gnu/



From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Oct 31 01:22:11 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:22:11 -0600
Subject: [Dev] The wiki is enabled to be edited from external software,
	like Emacs, right?
Message-ID: <874mh76ddo.fsf@abril.charola>

Hello!

I was trying to edit my `User:` page from Emacs, however, I got this error when saving the changes:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
mediawiki-save-page: Need an edit token!
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

I'm not sure if this have something to do with the configuration of our Mediawiki instance, but I'm
sure that there is nothing more I have to do in Emacs for editing mediawiki pages than specifying my
user name, my password and a wiki page for starting[1]

[1]: http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Mediawiki-mode
-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Oct 31 05:07:36 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and
	#677 on Iceweasel
Message-ID: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola>

Hi! I use (or used to use) some of the features removed by bug fixes of reports #645 and #677 on
Iceweasel. I suggest to make a package of Iceweasel for Nonprism repository having such features
disabled, so we don't affect people wanting to use Firefox Hello and other features when they
install libre/iceweasel.

Any feature that evokes a privacy concern should be disabled in a package on Nonprism repository to
begin with, right?
-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Oct 31 06:36:52 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:36:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and
 #677 on Iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <56346184.7060806@riseup.net>

On 10/31/2015 02:07 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> Hi! I use (or used to use) some of the features removed by bug fixes of reports #645 and #677 on
> Iceweasel. I suggest to make a package of Iceweasel for Nonprism repository having such features
> disabled, so we don't affect people wanting to use Firefox Hello and other features when they
> install libre/iceweasel.
> 
> Any feature that evokes a privacy concern should be disabled in a package on Nonprism repository to
> begin with, right?
> 

Could we consider IceCat for it too since those features are disabled by
default for that browser [0]?

[0]:http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnuzilla.git/plain/data/settings.js

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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Oct 31 21:12:27 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:12:27 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and
	#677 on Iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <56346184.7060806@riseup.net>
References: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola> <56346184.7060806@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87mvuykais.fsf@abril.charola>

What's the difference or the advantages between using IceCat and Iceweasel?

El s?bado 31 de octubre del 2015 a las 0036 horas, Andr? Silva escribi?:

> On 10/31/2015 02:07 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> Hi! I use (or used to use) some of the features removed by bug fixes of reports #645 and #677 on
>> Iceweasel. I suggest to make a package of Iceweasel for Nonprism repository having such features
>> disabled, so we don't affect people wanting to use Firefox Hello and other features when they
>> install libre/iceweasel.
>> 
>> Any feature that evokes a privacy concern should be disabled in a package on Nonprism repository to
>> begin with, right?
>> 
>
> Could we consider IceCat for it too since those features are disabled by
> default for that browser [0]?
>
> [0]:http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnuzilla.git/plain/data/settings.js
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

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https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Oct 31 22:58:22 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:58:22 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645
	and	#677 on Iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola>
Message-ID: <87si4qprw1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:

> Hi! I use (or used to use) some of the features removed by bug fixes of reports #645 and #677 on
> Iceweasel. I suggest to make a package of Iceweasel for Nonprism repository having such features
> disabled, so we don't affect people wanting to use Firefox Hello and other features when they
> install libre/iceweasel.
>
> Any feature that evokes a privacy concern should be disabled in a package on Nonprism repository to
> begin with, right?

the issue is not only about privacy but also dependency on proprietary
services... i know this is a slippery slope, "why not remove msn from
pidgin then?".


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From fabio at pesari.eu  Sat Oct 31 23:30:49 2015
From: fabio at pesari.eu (Fabio Pesari)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 00:30:49 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and
 #677 on Iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <87si4qprw1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola> <87si4qprw1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56354F29.9000208@pesari.eu>

On 10/31/2015 11:58 PM, fauno wrote:
>
> the issue is not only about privacy but also dependency on proprietary
> services... i know this is a slippery slope, "why not remove msn from
> pidgin then?".

I personally feel that is a different issue. Pidgin did not partner with
Microsoft, to the best of my knowledge, but Mozilla did partner with
TokBox (owned by Telef?nica) and thus Firefox Hello can be seen as
promoting nonfree software.

I feel that Firefox Hello was the slippery slope. Since they can't get
away with shipping proprietary code, they thought they could instead
write free code that relies on nonfree services.

Whatever, it's a shady move and Firefox Hello should have been an add-on
anyway. If you want a free replacement, try Jitsi Meet [1] (if you know
any similar free/libre WebRTC videochat programs that also work on
mobiles, I'd like to know about them)

[1]: https://meet.jit.si/


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Oct 31 23:38:36 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:38:36 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and
	#677 on Iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <56354F29.9000208@pesari.eu>
References: <871tcb62xz.fsf@abril.charola> <87si4qprw1.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56354F29.9000208@pesari.eu>
Message-ID: <87pozupq0z.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Fabio Pesari <fabio at pesari.eu> writes:

> On 10/31/2015 11:58 PM, fauno wrote:
>>
>> the issue is not only about privacy but also dependency on proprietary
>> services... i know this is a slippery slope, "why not remove msn from
>> pidgin then?".
>
> I personally feel that is a different issue. Pidgin did not partner with
> Microsoft, to the best of my knowledge, but Mozilla did partner with
> TokBox (owned by Telef?nica) and thus Firefox Hello can be seen as
> promoting nonfree software.

yes, exactly

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