[Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and #677 on Iceweasel

Jorge Araya Navarro elcorreo at deshackra.com
Wed Nov 4 19:33:37 GMT 2015

How does a "nonfree API" can affect my four freedoms if I don't run/execute the stack (OpenTok plus
whatever) on my machine? what does "nonfree API" means anyway?! It means "something that affect your
software freedom[1] despite the fact that someone else is running that software for you on other
machine that isn't yours"?

(am I making my argument clear at least?)

[1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

El miércoles 04 de noviembre del 2015 a las 1211 horas, Josh Branning escribió:

> I mean it's proprietary (or semi-free) software as a service; that only 
> works with proprietary software. The loop-server uses a non-free API.
> On 04/11/15 18:03, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> You mean, PaaS. PaaS != SaaSS. I cannot find anything on gnu.org or fsf.org regarding PaaS as
>> something unacceptably evil in regard to user's four freedoms. One could argue that from the privacy
>> point of view is good enough reasons to have a Nonprism version of Iceweasel with Firefox Hello disabled.
>> Besides, it seems that everything one have to do is to change the WebRTC backend and adapt loop
>> server's code and you are done, I bet Mozilla is accepting patches for allowing this.
>> In any case, I don't think this as a reason to disable Firefox Hello feature, outside of Nonprism.
>> El martes 03 de noviembre del 2015 a las 1943 horas, Josh Branning escribió:
>>> On 04/11/15 00:17, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>>>> This is also for Luke: Firefox's Hello feature works in a client-server architecture fashion (Like
>>>> the SIP or XMPP protocol, but that doesn't mean that we should ban Linphone or any Jabber client
>>>> because they relay in a SaaSS services (wat?!)), and I see hard to think that because I cannot
>>>> "switch" to another provider for Hello it means that I have lost any of my four freedoms.
>>>> BTW, the code of the backend is here[1], who wants to convince the FSF or the SFC to mount a Loop (Hello) server?
>>>> [1]: https://github.com/mozilla-services/loop-server
>>>> El lunes 02 de noviembre del 2015 a las 1538 horas, Josh Branning escribió:
>>>>> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
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>>> '  How do I run it?
>>> '  Be sure to edit the content of config/dev.json. You'll especially
>>> need to specify your TokBox credentials." [1]
>>> ' TokBox is a PaaS (Platform as a Service) company that provides hosted
>>> infrastructure, APIs and tools required to deliver enterprise-grade
>>> WebRTC capabilities. It does so primarily through its proprietary
>>> OpenTok video platform for commercial application. [2]
>>> Therefore, by the looks of things, not only is is SaaS, but it's
>>> proprietary SaaS.
>>> [1] https://github.com/mozilla-services/loop-server
>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokbox

👋 Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro

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