[Dev] Let's revert and move changes introduced by bugs #645 and #677 on Iceweasel
Jorge Araya Navarro
elcorreo at deshackra.com
Sun Nov 1 23:37:50 GMT 2015
More over, I don't see anything intrinsically evil in not having different choices of service
providers (this is not a violation of any of user's software freedom), so this is neither a reason to
ban features from free software.
El domingo 01 de noviembre del 2015 a las 1710 horas, Isaac David escribió:
> My 2 cents: I think Shackra is right. To me the distinction between
> explicitly partnering with a bad service (like Mozilla did) vs only
> using a bad service that already existed (MSN) is largely irrelevant as
> far as privacy recommendations are concerned. Sure, intentions matter
> unless you are a consequentialist, but both scenarios are equally
> unacceptable for privacy. I would discourage Shackra from using MSN as
> much as Firefox Hello.
>
> This is not equivalent to saying the current Icecat and Iceweasel
> packages don't comply with the policy or something. They clearly are OK
> and I appreciate Emulatorman or whoever did it for washing that Mozilla
> mess away, but there's room for moving them to [nonprism] if somebody
> wants to maintain a less stripped-down version in [libre].
>
> Offtopic:
>
> Le dim. 1 nov. 2015 à 10:33, Florian Pelz <pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de>
> a écrit :
>> libre is for free software
>
> Not just [libre], all the Parabola repositories strive to contain only
> free software. What [libre] really is for is modifications or
> replacements for Arch packages bearing freedom issues (not all of them.
> The blacklist documents which ones get fixed in [libre] and which ones
> we completely discard. your-freedom is built from the blacklist).
> [libre] also contains a few original packages that would rather stay in
> [core] or [extra] if they came from Arch.
>
>>
>> Then again, some things on the libre blacklist are blacklisted because
>> of support for Skype / non-privacy search engines / ….
>>
>> What I want is no SaaSS. Right now the description of nonprism in the
>> Wiki isn't very clear ("nonprism contains packages provided by the
>> Parabola community without services under global data surveillance
>> programs like PRISM.") and I'm not sure its policy is what I want,
>> even
>> though the de facto changes are what I want.
>>
>>> SSAS is evil, but if Firefox Hello falls in such category, as some
>>> are suggesting, then it seems to me that any XMPP service should too.
>>>
>>
>> For XMPP, you can choose which provider to use, like e-mail. You can
>> switch to a different provider whenever you want to. You can also host
>> your own. XMPP is not as restrictive as Hello.
>
> [nonprism] does not actually deal with SaaSS, much less it
> discriminates networking programs that give you "choice" of service
> providers from those which don't. It really only does what you read in
> the Wiki. your-privacy bans perfectly free software packages known to
> use online services which in turn are known to engage in mass
> surveillance; and [nonprism] patches some or all of those packages so
> that you can use them without worrying. Yet if you want to avoid SaaSS
> then activating [nonprism] is a reasonable step in that direction
> because of the correlation between SaaSS and mass surveillance.
> However, [nonprism] doesn't guarantee you that even the most obscure
> free software client program meant to be used with SaaSS will be
> blacklisted. There's nothing a distro can do to make sure the user
> never connects to SaaSS; you still need to think about your online
> practices.
>
> It's also worth pointing out that online communications don't strictly
> classify as SaaSS because while they are services and potential privacy
> threats they don't substitute local computing. Communication is a joint
> activity.
>
>
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