From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Sun Feb  1 06:36:29 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 06:36:29 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [snort] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150201063629.850.25050@parabola.nu>

elcorreo at deshackra.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* snort 2.9.7.0-3 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/snort/
* snort 2.9.3.1-1.1 [pcr] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/mips64el/snort/
* snort 2.9.7.0-3 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/snort/


The user provided the following additional text:

?signature from "Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org>" is unknown trust?



From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Sun Feb  1 19:15:12 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:15:12 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150201191512.850.32739@parabola.nu>

someone at there.over wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel 1:35.0.deb1-3 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel/
* iceweasel 1:35.0.deb1-3 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/iceweasel/
* iceweasel-debug 1:35.0.deb1-3 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel-debug/
* iceweasel-debug 1:35.0.deb1-3 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/iceweasel-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_35.0.1-1_changelog



From distopico at riseup.net  Mon Feb  2 23:49:36 2015
From: distopico at riseup.net (Distopico Vegan)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:49:36 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Iceweasel and AppManager
In-Reply-To: <mailman.527.1422477301.661.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
References: <mailman.527.1422477301.661.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <8704f276a491504c4035e284bfb07c7d@riseup.net>

Abrowser Trisquel settings...

pref("devtools.webide.templatesURL", 
"https://code.cdn.mozilla.net/templates/list.json");
pref("devtools.webide.addonsURL", 
"https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/labs/fxos-simulator/index.json");
pref("devtools.webide.simulatorAddonsURL", 
"https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/labs/fxos-simulator/#VERSION#/#OS#/fxos_#SLASHED_VERSION#_simulator-#OS#-latest.xpi");
pref("devtools.webide.simulatorAddonID", 
"fxos_#SLASHED_VERSION#_simulator at mozilla.org");
pref("devtools.webide.adbAddonURL", 
"https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/labs/fxos-simulator/adb-helper/#OS#/adbhelper-#OS#-latest.xpi");
pref("devtools.webide.adbAddonID", "adbhelper at mozilla.org");
pref("devtools.webide.adaptersAddonURL", 
"https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/labs/fxdt-adapters/#OS#/fxdt-adapters-#OS#-latest.xpi");
pref("devtools.webide.adaptersAddonID", 
"fxdevtools-adapters at mozilla.org");


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb  3 14:04:56 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:04:56 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] user/group management in packages
Message-ID: <87pp9rjdkn.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


-- 
http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:27:14 +0200
From: Evangelos Foutras <evangelos at foutrelis.com>
To: Public mailing list for Arch Linux development
 <arch-dev-public at archlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-dev-public] user/group management in packages

On 03/02/15 13:46, Allan McRae wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> While looking into how best handle those directory permission warnings
> with pacman-4.2, I have noticed a couple of things about user/group
> management in our packages.
> 
> 1) We should not remove users/groups when packages are uninstalled. This
> is a potential security issue if any files are left owned by the
> non-existent user/group.
> 
> 2) Most packages that chown files in the install file could do it use
> the user/group number in the PKGBUILD.  This works on any package with a
> reserved user/group ID.  The advantage of doing this is that pacman can
> track the permissions.  (A solution is being worked on for dynamically
> created user/groups whose id number can vary.)
> 
> Should I create a rebuild list?

I'd say yes and I agree on both points.

This is also a perfect opportunity to mention systemd-sysusers(8) which,
along with sysusers.d(5) entries, can greatly simplify the creation of
system users.

For an example, check out the openldap package:

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/slapd.sysusers?h=packages/openldap

https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/openldap.install?h=packages/openldap
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb  3 19:28:52 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:28:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [hs] WebRTC puede estar mostrando tu IP real,
	a pesar de usar TOR o una VPN
Message-ID: <8761bikd57.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


-- 
.o?)

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 19:16:10 +0100
From: epsylon <epsylon at riseup.net>
To: hacktivistas at lists.riseup.net, 
	hacktivistas <hacktivistas at listas.sindominio.net>
Subject: [hs] WebRTC puede estar mostrando tu IP real,
 a pesar de usar TOR o una VPN

Atenci?n,

Chrome y Firefox pueden estar mostrando tu IP real, debido a un fallo en
la configuraci?n de WebRTC. Hay que tener cuidado con ?sto, porque usar
una VPN o un nodo de salida de TOR, puede no ser suficiente para no
revelar tu origen.

Para resolverlo, lo primero, hay que ir a comprobar que ?sta revelando
tu navegador cuando navegas, por ejemplo, en el siguiente enlace:

http://ipleak.net/

Y si, a pesar de estar navegando con una VPN o TOR, ves tu IP real en el
campo: "Your IP address - WebRTC detection", es porque tienes la opci?n
RTCPeerConnection habilitada.

Para desactivarla, hay que poner About:Config en la barra de direcciones
y cambiar la opci?n por defecto: media.peerconnection.enabled a False.

_______________________________________________
Hacktivistas mailing list
Hacktivistas at listas.sindominio.net
https://listas.sindominio.net/mailman/listinfo/hacktivistas
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From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Tue Feb  3 22:38:58 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:38:58 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [kodi] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150203223858.850.66423@parabola.nu>

biserangeloff at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* kodi 14.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/kodi/
* kodi 14.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/kodi/


The user provided the following additional text:

There is a bugfix 14.1 release of kodi 
http://kodi.tv/kodi-14-1-helix-bugfix-release/



From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  5 19:48:47 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:48:47 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [abslibre.git] Pull request
In-Reply-To: <1422565531.1072.1.camel@riseup.net>
References: <1422477280.921.5.camel@riseup.net>
 <874mr9cq2n.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <1422565531.1072.1.camel@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87lhkccf6o.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Thu, 29 Jan 2015 22:05:31 +0100,
Daniel Milewski wrote:
> I made both changes and pushed them to Gitorious.

Looks good! I've merged the changes and pushed the packages to repo!

Sorry for the delay!

--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Feb  7 00:55:18 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:55:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] KingOfTheJews is +q'ed on #parabola
Message-ID: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


i'm attaching the log that led to me setting +q mode to KingOfTheJews as
per the irc policy[^1].  i've received some abuse in private too but i
don't mind.


[^1]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Feb  7 16:39:36 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:39:36 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
Message-ID: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab Barracas[^1]
and we talked about a propposal for receiving donations.

To make this more dynamic, I proppose you express your concerns as
patches to this document so we don't end up in endless discussions.  And
if you agree, just put a +1 :)



TL;DR: The main idea is that we setup the needed infrastructure for
receiving donations through the help of Ceata and aim to cover our
current expenses (domain, server, etc.) for the next years.  We can
discuss and decide by consensus what use will the extra money have once
we have it (more servers, buying hardware for porting, hacker
remuneration, etc.).  For this, we propose a two bucket approach: fill
the current expenses bucket first, whose money goes to fund operations
only, and then a second bucket for solidarity purposes, that's spent
according to community consensual decisions once we have enough to cover
operations comfortably.

Since Ceata needs a person to talk to in behalf of Parabola, we propose
that me (fauno) act as Parabola delegate for the first year.  Several
people have already agreed to this and even proposed it in the first
place.  After this period the delegation will rotate to another person.
If the community is not happy with my work as delegate, we can rotate
the delegation at any time.

# Operations bucket

* List on the wiki all the current expenses and donations we have
  --domain name, server(s), etc.-- with their respective costs if any.

* Plan a budget for the next years to cover these costs and anything
  we're missing today --build server, arm hardware...

# Solidarity bucket

In the case that we receive more money than we need to cover operations,
it'll go to a second bucket, over which we'll discuss and decide by
community consensus in what way we want to spend or share it :)

# Accountability

Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published on
the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket discussed and
agreed upon by the community beforehand.

Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.

# Cryptocurrencies

We can also create wallets in several cryptocurrencies to receive
donations and make transactions directly.  Just a thought :)

# Relationship with Ceata

If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
the Parabola community with them for the first year.  The delegation
tasks will be:

* Drafting a contract with Ceata, describing our mutual relationship,
  responsibilities and obligations, and the mechanisms for receiving
  donations and making payments in behalf of us.  Such draft will have
  to be aproved by the Parabola community, and negotiations will be
  transparently published on dev at lists.parabola.nu.

* Be in communication with them and make sure decisions are made in a
  timely manner.

After a year, we'll have to decide on another person to act as delegate.
We can also decide before the year ends, so the current delegate can
train the new one without exceeding his mandate (and burning out in the
process!)

If the community is not happy with the delegate's work, the delegate's
mandate is immediately revoked and a new one must replace her/him.

The important thing is that the donation infrastructure is setup and
working soon enough!





[^1]: http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar


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From hellekin at gnu.org  Sat Feb  7 17:36:24 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:36:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>

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Replace section Accountability:

On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>
> # Accountability
>
> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published
> on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket
> discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>
> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>

with:

# Accountability

A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate state
of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income and
expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular income and
expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder of the finances.

Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each bucket, and
how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will be discussed and
decided by community consensus and documented on the wiki.

==
hk
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Feb  7 18:23:57 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFNpbHZh?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 16:23:57 -0200
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <54D6583D.5000307@riseup.net>

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On 02/07/2015 03:36 PM, hellekin wrote:
> Replace section Accountability:
> 
> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> # Accountability
> 
>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be
>> published on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity
>> bucket discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
> 
>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on
>> the mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
> 
> 
> with:
> 
> # Accountability
> 
> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate
> state of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income
> and expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular
> income and expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder
> of the finances.
> 
> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each
> bucket, and how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will
> be discussed and decided by community consensus and documented on
> the wiki.
> 
> == hk
> 

+1
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 19:48:43 2015
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:48:43 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D6583D.5000307@riseup.net>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <54D6583D.5000307@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87pp9ltsdg.fsf@gmail.com>

+1

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

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> On 02/07/2015 03:36 PM, hellekin wrote:
>> Replace section Accountability:
>> 
>> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> 
>>> # Accountability
>> 
>>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be
>>> published on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity
>>> bucket discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>> 
>>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on
>>> the mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>> 
>> 
>> with:
>> 
>> # Accountability
>> 
>> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate
>> state of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income
>> and expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular
>> income and expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder
>> of the finances.
>> 
>> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each
>> bucket, and how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will
>> be discussed and decided by community consensus and documented on
>> the wiki.
>> 
>> == hk
>> 
>
> +1
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From coadde at riseup.net  Sat Feb  7 20:25:08 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 20:25:08 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <54D674A4.10202@riseup.net>

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hellekin:
> Replace section Accountability:
> 
> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> # Accountability
> 
>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be
>> published on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity
>> bucket discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
> 
>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on
>> the mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
> 
> 
> with:
> 
> # Accountability
> 
> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate
> state of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income
> and expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular
> income and expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder
> of the finances.
> 
> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each
> bucket, and how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will
> be discussed and decided by community consensus and documented on
> the wiki.
> 
> == hk _______________________________________________ Dev mailing
> list Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
+1
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From icarious at hacari.org  Sun Feb  8 00:49:02 2015
From: icarious at hacari.org (Icarious)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 06:19:02 +0530
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20150208061902.6be9f7c06936af654e647e38@hacari.org>

> we have it (more servers, buying hardware for porting, hacker
> remuneration, etc.).  For this, we propose a two bucket approach: fill
> the current expenses bucket first, whose money goes to fund operations
> only, and then a second bucket for solidarity purposes, that's spent
> according to community consensual decisions once we have enough to cover
> operations comfortably.

+1

> Since Ceata needs a person to talk to in behalf of Parabola, we propose
> that me (fauno) act as Parabola delegate for the first year.  Several
> people have already agreed to this and even proposed it in the first
> place.  After this period the delegation will rotate to another person.
> If the community is not happy with my work as delegate, we can rotate
> the delegation at any time.

+1

I have discussed about the possibility of a community consensus decided representative / delegate with Emulatorman. A yearly rotation and eligibility for a rerun of Delegate should be discussed by the community every year. My proposal for the upcoming Parabola delegate would be "Emulatorman". But he is already tasked with maintaining, fixing, updating many packages and his technical contributions to ensure user freedom has been priceless over the years. I'm freeing him off with "Delegation / Management duties" to let him do what he loves doing :). The second most favoured choice to me is "fauno". He has been there since the beginning of my time with Parabola and has been active regarding voicing opinions. I support "fauno" to take over the role as the first Parabola Delegate and wish him luck.

P.S : I suggest an oath taking ceremony on #parabola by swearing on the GPL whenever a Delegated takes up the role :P.
 

-- 
Icarious


From alfplayer at mailoo.org  Sun Feb  8 01:56:46 2015
From: alfplayer at mailoo.org (Esteban Carnevale)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 22:56:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] alfplayer.com temporarily offline
Message-ID: <20150207225646.0060eaf3252ed6f42e188c5b@mailoo.org>

The mirror I maintain is offline for now. I'll try to recover it in some hours. Sorry.

-- 
Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org>


From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Sun Feb  8 04:45:09 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 04:45:09 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [texlive-bin] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150208044509.845.57967@parabola.nu>

elcorreo at deshackra.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* texlive-bin 2014.34260-5.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2014.34260-5.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/texlive-bin/


The user provided the following additional text:

$ pdflatex
pdflatex: error while loading shared libraries: libpoppler.so.48: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Feb  8 05:07:50 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 02:07:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [texlive-bin] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20150208044509.845.57967@parabola.nu>
References: <20150208044509.845.57967@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <87oap59ejd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Parabola Website Notification <nobody at repo.parabola.nu> writes:

> elcorreo at deshackra.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
>
>
> * texlive-bin 2014.34260-5.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/texlive-bin/
> * texlive-bin 2014.34260-5.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/texlive-bin/
>
>
> The user provided the following additional text:
>
> $ pdflatex
> pdflatex: error while loading shared libraries: libpoppler.so.48: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

but we solved this already...

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Feb  8 14:35:53 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:35:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87a90oa2t2.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab Barracas[^1]
> and we talked about a propposal for receiving donations.

i forgot to add a due date for this propposal, i think tomorrow monday
would be ok?

-- 
http://endefensadelsl.org
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Feb  8 14:47:03 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:47:03 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87a90oa2t2.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87a90oa2t2.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54D776E7.9050408@riseup.net>

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On 02/08/2015 12:35 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>> Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab
>> Barracas[^1] and we talked about a propposal for receiving
>> donations.
> 
> i forgot to add a due date for this propposal, i think tomorrow
> monday would be ok?
> 

perfect!
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From mimex at fipasoft.com.mx  Sat Feb  7 23:12:09 2015
From: mimex at fipasoft.com.mx (Miguel Trujillo)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:12:09 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54D69BC9.8070404@fipasoft.com.mx>

On 07/02/15 10:39, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab Barracas[^1]
> and we talked about a propposal for receiving donations.
> 
> To make this more dynamic, I proppose you express your concerns as
> patches to this document so we don't end up in endless discussions.  And
> if you agree, just put a +1 :)
> 
> 
> 
> TL;DR: The main idea is that we setup the needed infrastructure for
> receiving donations through the help of Ceata and aim to cover our
> current expenses (domain, server, etc.) for the next years.  We can
> discuss and decide by consensus what use will the extra money have once
> we have it (more servers, buying hardware for porting, hacker
> remuneration, etc.).  For this, we propose a two bucket approach: fill
> the current expenses bucket first, whose money goes to fund operations
> only, and then a second bucket for solidarity purposes, that's spent
> according to community consensual decisions once we have enough to cover
> operations comfortably.
> 
> Since Ceata needs a person to talk to in behalf of Parabola, we propose
> that me (fauno) act as Parabola delegate for the first year.  Several
> people have already agreed to this and even proposed it in the first
> place.  After this period the delegation will rotate to another person.
> If the community is not happy with my work as delegate, we can rotate
> the delegation at any time.
> 
> # Operations bucket
> 
> * List on the wiki all the current expenses and donations we have
>   --domain name, server(s), etc.-- with their respective costs if any.
> 
> * Plan a budget for the next years to cover these costs and anything
>   we're missing today --build server, arm hardware...
> 
> # Solidarity bucket
> 
> In the case that we receive more money than we need to cover operations,
> it'll go to a second bucket, over which we'll discuss and decide by
> community consensus in what way we want to spend or share it :)
> 
> # Accountability
> 
> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published on
> the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket discussed and
> agreed upon by the community beforehand.
> 
> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
> 
> # Cryptocurrencies
> 
> We can also create wallets in several cryptocurrencies to receive
> donations and make transactions directly.  Just a thought :)
> 
> # Relationship with Ceata
> 
> If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
> the Parabola community with them for the first year.  The delegation
> tasks will be:
> 
> * Drafting a contract with Ceata, describing our mutual relationship,
>   responsibilities and obligations, and the mechanisms for receiving
>   donations and making payments in behalf of us.  Such draft will have
>   to be aproved by the Parabola community, and negotiations will be
>   transparently published on dev at lists.parabola.nu.
> 
> * Be in communication with them and make sure decisions are made in a
>   timely manner.
> 
> After a year, we'll have to decide on another person to act as delegate.
> We can also decide before the year ends, so the current delegate can
> train the new one without exceeding his mandate (and burning out in the
> process!)
> 
> If the community is not happy with the delegate's work, the delegate's
> mandate is immediately revoked and a new one must replace her/him.
> 
> The important thing is that the donation infrastructure is setup and
> working soon enough!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [^1]: http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

+1

-- 
Miguel Trujillo
mimex at fipasoft.mx

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Feb  8 22:28:45 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:28:45 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1?=
 =?utf-8?Q?s?= Reynolds"'s message
 of "Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:39:36 -0300")
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87pp9kt4v6.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab Barracas[^1]
> and we talked about a propposal for receiving donations.
>
> To make this more dynamic, I proppose you express your concerns as
> patches to this document so we don't end up in endless discussions.  And
> if you agree, just put a +1 :)

+1 with hellekin's change.
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From alfplayer at mailoo.org  Sun Feb  8 17:02:30 2015
From: alfplayer at mailoo.org (Esteban Carnevale)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:02:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] alfplayer.com temporarily offline
In-Reply-To: <20150207225646.0060eaf3252ed6f42e188c5b@mailoo.org>
References: <20150207225646.0060eaf3252ed6f42e188c5b@mailoo.org>
Message-ID: <20150208140230.73ba6b8f15c00ae59d4ef8b3@mailoo.org>

It's back online with many more snapshots. The amount of snapshots will 
continue to grow. Now it's on a different US server (IP address is also 
different).


-- 
Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org>


From encycl at a2c3.co  Mon Feb  9 03:05:43 2015
From: encycl at a2c3.co (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 19:05:43 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <mailman.590.1423443905.661.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
References: <mailman.590.1423443905.661.dev@lists.parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <20150208190543.7255edc8@a2c3.co>

+1

Money is different than wealth. The project costs money. As was
recently seen with my own situation, donors can have problems that
affect the project. It's better if the project has its own funds to
make sure essential services are always online.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 01:05:05 +0000
dev-request at lists.parabola.nu wrote:

> Re: Propposal for donations infrastructure


-- 
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From tct at ceata.org  Mon Feb  9 11:18:50 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:18:50 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54D8979A.2000104@ceata.org>

Hi,

On 07.02.2015 18:39, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
> the Parabola community with them for the first year.

The offer was never off the table. Ceata is willing to collaborate with
Parabola.

Thanks,

-- 
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Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
+40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/%C3%AEnscrieri

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From niitotantei at riseup.net  Mon Feb  9 11:36:43 2015
From: niitotantei at riseup.net (Daniel Milewski)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87pp9kt4v6.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87pp9kt4v6.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <1423481803.1159.2.camel@riseup.net>

> > Last wednesday Emulatorman, hellekin and I met at HackLab Barracas[^1]
> > and we talked about a propposal for receiving donations.
> >
> > To make this more dynamic, I proppose you express your concerns as
> > patches to this document so we don't end up in endless discussions.  And
> > if you agree, just put a +1 :)
> 
> +1 with hellekin's change.

+1

-- 
Daniel Milewski
GPG key ID: 8D43A4A1
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Feb  9 21:20:58 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:20:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <87twyu7pdx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:

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> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> # Accountability
>>
>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published
>> on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket
>> discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>>
>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
>> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>>
>
> with:
>
> # Accountability
>
> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate state
> of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income and
> expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular income and
> expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder of the finances.
>
> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each bucket, and
> how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will be discussed and
> decided by community consensus and documented on the wiki.
>
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Feb  9 21:30:04 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:30:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Transparency (was: [PATCH] Re: Propposal for donations
	infrastructure)
In-Reply-To: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P

what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata
communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and ceata
can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our
communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they can
do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.

hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Replace section Accountability:
>
> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> # Accountability
>>
>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published
>> on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket
>> discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>>
>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
>> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>>
>
> with:
>
> # Accountability
>
> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate state
> of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income and
> expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular income and
> expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder of the finances.
>
> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each bucket, and
> how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will be discussed and
> decided by community consensus and documented on the wiki.
-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Feb  9 22:54:03 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:54:03 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>

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On 02/09/2015 07:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
> 
> what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata 
> communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and
> ceata can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our 
> communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they
> can do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
> 

+1 Good idea! I agree because it provides a transparency communication
for us and gives to the community a way to propose our ideas.
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 05:46:27 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (ingegnue)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:46:27 +0000
Subject: [Dev] KingOfTheJews is +q'ed on #parabola
In-Reply-To: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <A9F01377-C15A-419A-88BE-55A0C248B87A@riseup.net>



On February 6, 2015 7:55:18 PM EST, "Nicol?s Reynolds" <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>
>i'm attaching the log that led to me setting +q mode to KingOfTheJews
>as
>per the irc policy[^1].  i've received some abuse in private too but i
>don't mind.
>
>
>[^1]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy

FWIW: Thank you.

I don't come to #parabola to listen to that stuff, I come to talk tech and tech freedom. The behavior exhibited by "KingOfTheJews" in the attached log happens to be a quick way to alienate female participants; at least I would probably never come to that channel again, were that to be the norm. So, thanks!



From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 05:58:28 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (ingegnue)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:58:28 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [PATCH] Re:  Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <5457AD60-7ABA-438F-B9D8-7ED2F4272B3B@riseup.net>

+1

On February 7, 2015 12:36:24 PM EST, hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> wrote:
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>Replace section Accountability:
>
>On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> # Accountability
>>
>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be published
>> on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket
>> discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>>
>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
>> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>>
>
>with:
>
># Accountability
>
>A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate state
>of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income and
>expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular income and
>expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder of the finances.
>
>Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each bucket,
>and
>how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will be discussed
>and
>decided by community consensus and documented on the wiki.
>
>==
>hk
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 05:59:21 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (ingegnue)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:59:21 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Transparency (was: [PATCH] Re: Propposal for
	donations	infrastructure)
In-Reply-To: <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <F24B6C07-B45A-45C4-9B5A-A2AB25260372@riseup.net>

+1

On February 9, 2015 4:30:04 PM EST, "Nicol?s Reynolds" <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>
>ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
>
>what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata
>communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and ceata
>can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our
>communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they can
>do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
>
>hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> Replace section Accountability:
>>
>> On 02/07/2015 01:39 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> # Accountability
>>>
>>> Any money going in and out of Parabola's buckets need to be
>published
>>> on the wiki, and any transactions from the solidarity bucket
>>> discussed and agreed upon by the community beforehand.
>>>
>>> Also, every discussion about this needs to happen publicly on the
>>> mailing list, and decisions documented on the wiki.
>>>
>>
>> with:
>>
>> # Accountability
>>
>> A dedicated page on Parabola wiki will keep track of the accurate
>state
>> of Parabola's buckets at all times and detail public income and
>> expenses.  A mailing list will be used to announce irregular income
>and
>> expenses weekly if any, and receive a monthly reminder of the
>finances.
>>
>> Accountability details on decision making, what goes in each bucket,
>and
>> how to handle and balance transparency and privacy will be discussed
>and
>> decided by community consensus and documented on the wiki.



From hellekin at gnu.org  Tue Feb 10 07:45:10 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:45:10 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>

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On 02/09/2015 07:54 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 02/09/2015 07:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
> 
>> what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata 
>> communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and
>> ceata can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our 
>> communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they
>> can do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
> 
> 
> +1 Good idea! I agree because it provides a transparency communication
> for us and gives to the community a way to propose our ideas.
>
*** I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to promote "transparent
communication", and I certainly don't think it's relevant to advancing
the issue at this point.  If the current proposal is accepted, fauno
will be the delegate, and how this is handled is an implementation
detail.  Decision first, then implementation.

If you insist on implementation, I'm for accountability, not
transparency, and certainly not to "everyone".  It's important *for the
community* to be able to access tracking documents, but not for the
public.  It's important *for the community* to be able to access
tracking documents *if necessary*, but having random people lurking and
bikeshedding at every step is going to wear out the delegate quite fast.
 Accountability and TOFU.  Privacy and freedom.  Not transparency and
the tyranny of structurelessness.

The delegate should come to the community with:

- - understanding of the need of CEATA
- - a proposal to satisfy that need

The community should provide the delegate with a clear response:

- - yes, it's fine
- - yes with patches
- - no

The delegate should go back to CEATA with:

- - no, that need cannot be satisfied, but
- - with such and such changes it would work, or
- - yes, let's do it.

This last step is what needs to be accountable but opaque.  The details
of the communication between the delegate and CEATA are irrelevant to
the process that is public otherwise.  It's important to have a record
of it, but the role of a delegate is exactly to avoid having many voices
raised during a conversation.

More importantly, it's a recipe for disaster.  While you give attention
to this, you're not working on your own tasks.  The goal is to deliver a
distro, not to micro-manage the delegate.

My $0.02

==
hk
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb 10 12:42:48 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:42:48 -0300
Subject: [Dev] KingOfTheJews is +q'ed on #parabola
In-Reply-To: <A9F01377-C15A-419A-88BE-55A0C248B87A@riseup.net>
References: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <A9F01377-C15A-419A-88BE-55A0C248B87A@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87d25i6ipj.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

ingegnue <ingegnue at riseup.net> writes:

> On February 6, 2015 7:55:18 PM EST, "Nicol?s Reynolds" <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>>
>>i'm attaching the log that led to me setting +q mode to KingOfTheJews
>>as per the irc policy[^1].  i've received some abuse in private too
>>but i don't mind.
>>
>>
>>[^1]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy
> FWIW: Thank you.  I don't come to #parabola to listen to that stuff, I
>come to talk tech and tech freedom. The behavior exhibited by
>"KingOfTheJews" in the attached log happens to be a quick way to
>alienate female participants; at least I would probably never come to
>that channel again, were that to be the norm. So, thanks!

we've never have a problem with off topic conversations, in fact it's
because of that that #parabola is so awesome.  but being an asshole and
assuming everyone's ok with casual sexist conversation was never ok.
it's happening more and more this days...

other people also thanked me for silencing (+q) the guy. if you feel
people is creating an unwelcoming climate on the irc channel please say
so publicly. i know it may be difficult telling other people to fuck off
but otherwise it passes as normality and it scalates for the worst.

though i personally don't expect this kind of people suddenly realizing
they're being assholes (in fact i was accused of abusing my "privilege"
of silencing people while masturbating to it...)

it seems sometimes you have to tell people it's not ok to take a shit on
the floor :P

-- 
}(:=
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb 10 13:07:53 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:07:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
 <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <87a90l7w46.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:

> This last step is what needs to be accountable but opaque.  The details
> of the communication between the delegate and CEATA are irrelevant to
> the process that is public otherwise.  It's important to have a record
> of it, but the role of a delegate is exactly to avoid having many voices
> raised during a conversation.
>

that's why the propposed list was closed to posts.

> More importantly, it's a recipe for disaster.  While you give attention
> to this, you're not working on your own tasks.  The goal is to deliver a
> distro, not to micro-manage the delegate.

hahahaha

-- 
http://endefensadelsl.org
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 14:05:52 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (ingegnue)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:05:52 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
 <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <D0A6AD06-A207-480D-BEC0-8CA195325C64@riseup.net>



On February 10, 2015 2:45:10 AM EST, hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA512
>
>On 02/09/2015 07:54 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 02/09/2015 07:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> 
>>> ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
>> 
>>> what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata 
>>> communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and
>>> ceata can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our 
>>> communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they
>>> can do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
>> 
>> 
>> +1 Good idea! I agree because it provides a transparency
>communication
>> for us and gives to the community a way to propose our ideas.
>>
>*** I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to promote "transparent
>communication", and I certainly don't think it's relevant to advancing
>the issue at this point.  If the current proposal is accepted, fauno
>will be the delegate, and how this is handled is an implementation
>detail.  Decision first, then implementation.
>
>If you insist on implementation, I'm for accountability, not
>transparency, and certainly not to "everyone".  It's important *for the
>community* to be able to access tracking documents, but not for the
>public.  It's important *for the community* to be able to access
>tracking documents *if necessary*, but having random people lurking and
>bikeshedding at every step is going to wear out the delegate quite
>fast.
> Accountability and TOFU.  Privacy and freedom.  Not transparency and
>the tyranny of structurelessness.
>
>The delegate should come to the community with:
>
>- - understanding of the need of CEATA
>- - a proposal to satisfy that need
>
>The community should provide the delegate with a clear response:
>
>- - yes, it's fine
>- - yes with patches
>- - no
>
>The delegate should go back to CEATA with:
>
>- - no, that need cannot be satisfied, but
>- - with such and such changes it would work, or
>- - yes, let's do it.
>
>This last step is what needs to be accountable but opaque.  The details
>of the communication between the delegate and CEATA are irrelevant to
>the process that is public otherwise.  It's important to have a record
>of it, but the role of a delegate is exactly to avoid having many
>voices
>raised during a conversation.
>
>More importantly, it's a recipe for disaster.  While you give attention
>to this, you're not working on your own tasks.  The goal is to deliver
>a
>distro, not to micro-manage the delegate.
>
>My $0.02
>
>==
>hk
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+1 Hmm, yes, good point..



From ingegnue at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 14:11:43 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (ingegnue)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:11:43 +0000
Subject: [Dev] KingOfTheJews is +q'ed on #parabola
In-Reply-To: <87d25i6ipj.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <A9F01377-C15A-419A-88BE-55A0C248B87A@riseup.net>
 <87d25i6ipj.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <1B5456B4-23CE-4A86-B624-1832441518F9@riseup.net>



On February 10, 2015 7:42:48 AM EST, "Nicol?s Reynolds" <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>ingegnue <ingegnue at riseup.net> writes:
>
>> On February 6, 2015 7:55:18 PM EST, "Nicol?s Reynolds"
><fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>i'm attaching the log that led to me setting +q mode to KingOfTheJews
>>>as per the irc policy[^1].  i've received some abuse in private too
>>>but i don't mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>[^1]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy
>> FWIW: Thank you.  I don't come to #parabola to listen to that stuff,
>I
>>come to talk tech and tech freedom. The behavior exhibited by
>>"KingOfTheJews" in the attached log happens to be a quick way to
>>alienate female participants; at least I would probably never come to
>>that channel again, were that to be the norm. So, thanks!
>
>we've never have a problem with off topic conversations, in fact it's
>because of that that #parabola is so awesome.  but being an asshole and
>assuming everyone's ok with casual sexist conversation was never ok.
>it's happening more and more this days...
>
>other people also thanked me for silencing (+q) the guy. if you feel
>people is creating an unwelcoming climate on the irc channel please say
>so publicly. i know it may be difficult telling other people to fuck
>off
>but otherwise it passes as normality and it scalates for the worst.
>
>though i personally don't expect this kind of people suddenly realizing
>they're being assholes (in fact i was accused of abusing my "privilege"
>of silencing people while masturbating to it...)
>
>it seems sometimes you have to tell people it's not ok to take a shit
>on
>the floor :P

+1 OK! That is good to hear -- and I agree. Once again, thanks!


From hellekin at gnu.org  Tue Feb 10 14:58:25 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:58:25 -0300
Subject: [Dev] KingOfTheJews is +q'ed on #parabola
In-Reply-To: <87d25i6ipj.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87r3u2czgp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <A9F01377-C15A-419A-88BE-55A0C248B87A@riseup.net>
 <87d25i6ipj.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54DA1C91.9050306@gnu.org>

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On 02/10/2015 09:42 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> it seems sometimes you have to tell people it's not ok to take a shit on
> the floor :P
> 
*** Depends on the context.  According to Hakim Bey, it's poetic
terrorism to do so in the middle of a bank. ;oP

==
hk

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue Feb 10 19:27:38 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:27:38 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
 <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <54DA5BAA.7010905@riseup.net>

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On 02/10/2015 05:45 AM, hellekin wrote:
> If you insist on implementation, I'm for accountability, not 
> transparency, and certainly not to "everyone".  It's important *for
> the community* to be able to access tracking documents, but not for
> the public.  It's important *for the community* to be able to
> access tracking documents *if necessary*, but having random people
> lurking and bikeshedding at every step is going to wear out the
> delegate quite fast. Accountability and TOFU.  Privacy and freedom.
> Not transparency and the tyranny of structurelessness.
> 

Yes, you're right, i didn't paid attention on that detail, also fauno
gave to me the book called "the tyranny of structurelessness" by Jo
Freeman [0] that explains about it. Thanks!

[0]:http://jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
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From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Thu Feb 12 14:16:09 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:16:09 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Extra package [xorg-server] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150212141609.696.17769@parabola.nu>

bugmenot at bugmenot.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* xorg-server 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server/
* xorg-server 1.16.4-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/xorg-server/
* xorg-server 1.15.0-5 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/xorg-server/
* xorg-server 1.16.4-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/xorg-server/
* xorg-server-common 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-common/
* xorg-server-devel 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-devel/
* xorg-server-xdmx 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xdmx/
* xorg-server-xephyr 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xephyr/
* xorg-server-xnest 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xnest/
* xorg-server-xvfb 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xvfb/


The user provided the following additional text:

upstream at 1.17, also flagged there...



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Feb 13 14:46:46 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:46:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54D8979A.2000104@ceata.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D8979A.2000104@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <87sie9j2cp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On 07.02.2015 18:39, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
>> the Parabola community with them for the first year.
>
> The offer was never off the table. Ceata is willing to collaborate with
> Parabola.

hey, i pinged you a week ago :)

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From tct at ceata.org  Fri Feb 13 15:41:26 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:41:26 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <87sie9j2cp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D8979A.2000104@ceata.org>
 <87sie9j2cp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54DE1B26.4070902@ceata.org>

On 13.02.2015 16:46, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
>> > On 07.02.2015 18:39, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>> >> If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
>>> >> the Parabola community with them for the first year.
>> >
>> > The offer was never off the table. Ceata is willing to collaborate with
>> > Parabola.

> hey, i pinged you a week ago :)

Hi, I have received an e-mail from you on Tuesday 10.02.2015 at 15:13
and a ping today the minute you wrote here, on the mailing list. Anyway,
that's three days, not a week.

And I am sorry, I haven't been able to respond to you with anything
helpful before I delivered my presentation part of this workshop on
decentralized networks Ceata has organized yesterday evening:

https://ceata.org/evenimente/retele-de-socializare-descentralizate.html

Please allow me this weekend to formulate a response to your request for
a collaboration draft.

Thanks,
-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic
Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
+40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/%C3%AEnscrieri

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Feb 13 16:50:38 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:50:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Propposal for donations infrastructure
In-Reply-To: <54DE1B26.4070902@ceata.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D8979A.2000104@ceata.org>
 <87sie9j2cp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54DE1B26.4070902@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <87bnkxiwm9.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:

> On 13.02.2015 16:46, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
>>> > On 07.02.2015 18:39, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>>> >> If the offer made by Ceata is still up, fauno will act as a delegate of
>>>> >> the Parabola community with them for the first year.
>>> >
>>> > The offer was never off the table. Ceata is willing to collaborate with
>>> > Parabola.
>
>> hey, i pinged you a week ago :)
>
> Hi, I have received an e-mail from you on Tuesday 10.02.2015 at 15:13
> and a ping today the minute you wrote here, on the mailing list. Anyway,
> that's three days, not a week.

hahaha i misread the date, sorry

> And I am sorry, I haven't been able to respond to you with anything
> helpful before I delivered my presentation part of this workshop on
> decentralized networks Ceata has organized yesterday evening:
>
> https://ceata.org/evenimente/retele-de-socializare-descentralizate.html
>

congrats!

> Please allow me this weekend to formulate a response to your request for
> a collaboration draft.

ok, ping me over email, irc or jabber when you do :)


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From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Tue Feb 17 02:11:06 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:11:06 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Kernels package [linux-libre-rt] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150217021106.403.71726@parabola.nu>

biserangeloff at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/3.18/ (at last)



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb 17 15:44:47 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:44:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
Message-ID: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


for:

* openswan
* networkmanager-openswan
* galera
* mariadb-galera

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Feb 17 19:04:44 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:04:44 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [GNU-linux-libre] Doxygen: recommendation of nonfree
	browsers for SVG
Message-ID: <87egpos6k3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


-- 
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:07:55 +0200
From: fr33domlover <fr33domlover at riseup.net>
To: gnu-linux-libre at nongnu.org
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Subject: [GNU-linux-libre] Doxygen: recommendation of nonfree browsers for
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue Feb 17 21:29:23 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:29:23 -0200
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
In-Reply-To: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
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On 02/17/2015 01:44 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> for:
> 
> * openswan * networkmanager-openswan * galera * mariadb-galera
> 

No problem, i will do it
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Feb 18 03:03:12 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 01:03:12 -0200
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
In-Reply-To: <54E3B2B3.9010401@riseup.net>
References: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54E3B2B3.9010401@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <54E400F0.1090501@riseup.net>

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On 02/17/2015 07:29 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 02/17/2015 01:44 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> for:
> 
>> * openswan * networkmanager-openswan * galera * mariadb-galera
> 
> 
> No problem, i will do it
> 

all packages were pushed!
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Feb 18 17:58:32 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
Message-ID: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


what are our current expenses?  alfplayer tells me the parabola.nu
domain costed $32usd for 2 years last time.  a .org domain is $11usd/y
according to name.com, so we have $27usd/y in domain names.

is that correct?

we're currently not paying anything for our current server, but i'm
checking our current data transfer usage to see how much would be have
to if we need to.

is there anything else i'm forgetting about?

if we were to buy some beaglebones for the arm port, how much would they
cost?

what would be the requirements for a build machine?  can we build one an
host it at home or somewhere else?  i have unlimited data transfer at
1mb/s, for instance, but no extra machine, and the power service is
cheap but very unreliable these days.

-- 
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From aurelien at hackers.camp  Wed Feb 18 18:03:43 2015
From: aurelien at hackers.camp (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien_DESBRI=C3=88RES?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:03:43 +0100
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
In-Reply-To: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1?=
 =?utf-8?Q?s?= Reynolds"'s message
 of "Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300")
References: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87pp97hzb4.fsf@unicorn.home>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> what are our current expenses?  alfplayer tells me the parabola.nu
> domain costed $32usd for 2 years last time.  a .org domain is $11usd/y
> according to name.com, so we have $27usd/y in domain names.
>
> is that correct?
>
> we're currently not paying anything for our current server, but i'm
> checking our current data transfer usage to see how much would be have
> to if we need to.
>
> is there anything else i'm forgetting about?
>
> if we were to buy some beaglebones for the arm port, how much would they
> cost?

http://beagleboard.org/ give link to different shop depending of
country.

I already own one but, we should maybe stand a bit because a new version
should certainly get out soon.

> what would be the requirements for a build machine?  can we build one an
> host it at home or somewhere else?  i have unlimited data transfer at
> 1mb/s, for instance, but no extra machine, and the power service is
> cheap but very unreliable these days.

-- 
Aurelien Desbrieres
http://www.hackers.camp
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Feb 18 19:17:43 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:17:43 +0100
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
In-Reply-To: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1?=
 =?utf-8?Q?s?= Reynolds"'s message
 of "Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300")
References: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87y4nvghbc.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> if we were to buy some beaglebones for the arm port, how much would they
> cost?

Converting a price from a Polish shop: 65 USD.  Converting a price from
a random site that looks like a Brazilian shop: 135 USD.  Ask who would
buy them and from where.

> what would be the requirements for a build machine?

An i.MX6 or Tegra SoC, many cores, much RAM, big and fast storage, some
reliable network.  This should be a Parabola ARM target.  (Offtopic: I
can buy several Wandboard Quads for the price of a Novena board.)

> can we build one an
> host it at home or somewhere else?

Measure how much bandwidth we need for updated packages + their sources
+ build logs.

> i have unlimited data transfer at
> 1mb/s, for instance, but no extra machine, and the power service is
> cheap but very unreliable these days.

Add the price of a sufficient UPS, check if that bandwidth is
sufficient.
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From korobkov at fryxell.info  Fri Feb 20 10:06:05 2015
From: korobkov at fryxell.info (Andrey Korobkov)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:06:05 +0300
Subject: [Dev] [texlive-bin] Missing biber. Something wrong with it?
Message-ID: <E1YOkTN-0005z9-Pq@mx.fryxell.info>

Hello,

I see libre version of texlive-bin doesn't include very useful and needed bibliography sofwtare component - biber
(http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/). Is anything wrong with it?

-- 
Andrey Korobkov
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Fri Feb 20 18:53:39 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:53:39 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [texlive-bin] Missing biber. Something wrong with it?
In-Reply-To: <E1YOkTN-0005z9-Pq@mx.fryxell.info> (Andrey Korobkov's message of
 "Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:06:05 +0300")
References: <E1YOkTN-0005z9-Pq@mx.fryxell.info>
Message-ID: <87h9ugv2h8.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I see libre version of texlive-bin doesn't include very useful and
> needed bibliography sofwtare component - biber
> (http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/). Is anything wrong with it?

The Arch package doesn't build it from source, so we remove it:
https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/87.  No one was sufficiently interested
to build it from source.  (It's a Perl program, it should be easy to
package.)
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 20:08:09 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
In-Reply-To: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87vbiwxs5y.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> what are our current expenses?  alfplayer tells me the parabola.nu
> domain costed $32usd for 2 years last time.

parabola.nu is $32USD for a year, not 2 years.

Source: I paid it in January this year, and it expires January 2016.

--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Feb 20 20:30:17 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:30:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
In-Reply-To: <87vbiwxs5y.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87vbiwxs5y.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87d254z5pi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> At Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300,
> Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> what are our current expenses?  alfplayer tells me the parabola.nu
>> domain costed $32usd for 2 years last time.
>
> parabola.nu is $32USD for a year, not 2 years.

next time we'll get parabola.in :P

parabola.sl would be cool, because of software libre, but they're even
more expensive :c

>
> Source: I paid it in January this year, and it expires January 2016.

i think the first donations should be used to reimburse you and
encyclomundi :)

--
http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Fri Feb 20 20:44:29 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:44:29 -0200
Subject: [Dev] [texlive-bin] Missing biber. Something wrong with it?
In-Reply-To: <87h9ugv2h8.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <E1YOkTN-0005z9-Pq@mx.fryxell.info> <87h9ugv2h8.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <54E79CAD.9050301@riseup.net>

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On 02/20/2015 04:53 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>> I see libre version of texlive-bin doesn't include very useful
>> and needed bibliography sofwtare component - biber 
>> (http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/). Is anything wrong with
>> it?
> 
> The Arch package doesn't build it from source, so we remove it: 
> https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/87.  No one was sufficiently
> interested to build it from source.  (It's a Perl program, it
> should be easy to package.)
> 

Maybe we could build biblatex-biber based from AUR [0] and add it as
depends to texlive-bin though

[0]:https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/biblatex-biber/
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 20:47:29 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Extra package [xorg-server] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20150212141609.696.17769@parabola.nu>
References: <20150212141609.696.17769@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <87twygxqce.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:16:09 -0000,
Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> 
> bugmenot at bugmenot.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> * xorg-server 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server/
> * xorg-server 1.16.4-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/xorg-server/
> * xorg-server 1.15.0-5 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/xorg-server/
> * xorg-server 1.16.4-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/xorg-server/
> * xorg-server-common 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-common/
> * xorg-server-devel 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-devel/
> * xorg-server-xdmx 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xdmx/
> * xorg-server-xephyr 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xephyr/
> * xorg-server-xnest 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xnest/
> * xorg-server-xvfb 1.14.3-1 [extra] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/mips64el/xorg-server-xvfb/
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> upstream at 1.17, also flagged there...

x86_64 and i686 are updated.

A reminder to everyone: mips64el Parabola is no longer actively
developed.

--
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker



From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 20 21:00:31 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <87a90l7w46.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
 <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org> <87a90l7w46.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87sie0xpqo.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Hi guys,

Sorry I'm about a week late on this... I'm proving to be increasingly
terrible at time management and juggling my commitments.  I suck.

Anyway,

I support the proposal up to this point in the thread

At Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:07:53 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:
> > This last step is what needs to be accountable but opaque.  The details
> > of the communication between the delegate and CEATA are irrelevant to
> > the process that is public otherwise.  It's important to have a record
> > of it, but the role of a delegate is exactly to avoid having many voices
> > raised during a conversation.
> 
> that's why the propposed list was closed to posts.


I support the publicly-read-only list, but believe that ultimately
that detail should be up to the delegate.  Obviosly, fauno currently
supports the list.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Feb 20 21:28:53 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:28:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
In-Reply-To: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <874mqgz2zu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> for:
>
> * openswan
> * networkmanager-openswan
> * galera
> * mariadb-galera

also:

* knot
* libshout-idjc
* idjc
* gnupg1

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
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From ingegnue at riseup.net  Fri Feb 20 21:46:15 2015
From: ingegnue at riseup.net (IngeGNUe)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:46:15 -0500
Subject: [Dev] current expenses
In-Reply-To: <87d254z5pi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87wq3f3xvb.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87vbiwxs5y.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87d254z5pi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54E7AB27.5070007@riseup.net>

FWIW I recently bought an .xyz domain (for my personal site) off of
GANDI for $5 USD. Not sure if the price has increased, but might be
worth considering.

On 02/20/2015 03:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> 
>> At Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:58:32 -0300,
>> Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>> what are our current expenses?  alfplayer tells me the parabola.nu
>>> domain costed $32usd for 2 years last time.
>>
>> parabola.nu is $32USD for a year, not 2 years.
> 
> next time we'll get parabola.in :P
> 
> parabola.sl would be cool, because of software libre, but they're even
> more expensive :c
> 
>>
>> Source: I paid it in January this year, and it expires January 2016.
> 
> i think the first donations should be used to reimburse you and
> encyclomundi :)
> 
> --
> http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Feb 21 00:37:02 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:37:02 -0200
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
In-Reply-To: <874mqgz2zu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87vbj0sftc.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <874mqgz2zu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <54E7D32E.2090102@riseup.net>

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On 02/20/2015 07:28 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>> for:
>> 
>> * openswan * networkmanager-openswan * galera * mariadb-galera
> 
> also:
> 
> * knot * libshout-idjc * idjc * gnupg1
> 

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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Feb 21 02:27:05 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:27:05 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87r3tkhudi.fsf@abril.charola>


Andr? Silva writes:

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> On 02/09/2015 07:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> 
>> ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
>> 
>> what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata 
>> communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and
>> ceata can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our 
>> communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they
>> can do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
>> 

YES! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6P40wLThbc

>
> +1 Good idea! I agree because it provides a transparency communication
> for us and gives to the community a way to propose our ideas.
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ES: Dise?ador Publicitario, Programador Python y colaborador en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
EN: Ads Designer, Python programmer and contributor Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
EO: Anonco grafikisto, Pitino programalingvo programisto kai kontribuanto en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Feb 21 03:19:04 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:19:04 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Transparency
In-Reply-To: <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
References: <87egq1he0n.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D64D18.90605@gnu.org>
 <87r3ty7oyr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <54D93A8B.5090609@riseup.net>
 <54D9B706.50901@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <87pp94hrzg.fsf@abril.charola>


hellekin writes:

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> On 02/09/2015 07:54 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 02/09/2015 07:30 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> 
>>> ehr... sorry, i pressed the wrong emacs combination :P
>> 
>>> what does everyone think about creating a list for parabola+ceata 
>>> communications, where everyone can read but only the delegate and
>>> ceata can post?  this, of course, to provide transparency in our 
>>> communications, and if someone wants to write any participant they
>>> can do so in private, but it won't be an official communication.
>> 
>> 
>> +1 Good idea! I agree because it provides a transparency communication
>> for us and gives to the community a way to propose our ideas.
>>
> *** I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to promote "transparent
> communication", and I certainly don't think it's relevant to advancing
> the issue at this point.  If the current proposal is accepted, fauno
> will be the delegate, and how this is handled is an implementation
> detail.  Decision first, then implementation.
>
> If you insist on implementation, I'm for accountability, not
> transparency, and certainly not to "everyone".  It's important *for the
> community* to be able to access tracking documents, but not for the
> public.  It's important *for the community* to be able to access
> tracking documents *if necessary*, but having random people lurking and
> bikeshedding at every step is going to wear out the delegate quite fast.
>  Accountability and TOFU.  Privacy and freedom.  Not transparency and
> the tyranny of structurelessness.
>
> The delegate should come to the community with:
>
> - - understanding of the need of CEATA
> - - a proposal to satisfy that need
>
> The community should provide the delegate with a clear response:
>
> - - yes, it's fine
> - - yes with patches
> - - no
>
> The delegate should go back to CEATA with:
>
> - - no, that need cannot be satisfied, but
> - - with such and such changes it would work, or
> - - yes, let's do it.
>
> This last step is what needs to be accountable but opaque.  The details
> of the communication between the delegate and CEATA are irrelevant to
> the process that is public otherwise.  It's important to have a record
> of it, but the role of a delegate is exactly to avoid having many voices
> raised during a conversation.
>
> More importantly, it's a recipe for disaster.  While you give attention
> to this, you're not working on your own tasks.  The goal is to deliver a
> distro, not to micro-manage the delegate.
>
> My $0.02
>
> ==
> hk
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Oh, well, you are actually right...

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Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro.
ES: Dise?ador Publicitario, Programador Python y colaborador en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
EN: Ads Designer, Python programmer and contributor Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
EO: Anonco grafikisto, Pitino programalingvo programisto kai kontribuanto en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Feb 21 15:05:36 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1256?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:05:36 -0200
Subject: [Dev] parabola for blind
In-Reply-To: <CAHWa5ufa8nm-giLVL2tF0uFEnO8qnpAkEz8h+pNCsh0YQmcSCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHWa5udbsyN42MZmLMctBQqtuXiVJj=jP=WjtP2wvUqe0K9wkg@mail.gmail.com>
 <54755EB0.2090103@riseup.net> <54756F86.9060405@riseup.net>
 <54770BB0.6020804@riseup.net>
 <CAHWa5uc_bA0ce2b=8rE=uam+v3moP4fy_mf_huk1TcvmsBhwRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <548342BF.3030205@riseup.net>
 <20141208105836.f0a39e680837d738e9fec4c1@mailoo.org>
 <CAHWa5ufa8nm-giLVL2tF0uFEnO8qnpAkEz8h+pNCsh0YQmcSCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54E89EC0.3020902@riseup.net>

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On 12/09/2014 10:59 AM, Ali Abdul Ghani wrote:
> it Do not talk after reboot
> 
> 2014-12-08 5:58 ??????-08:00, Esteban Carnevale
> <alfplayer at mailoo.org>:
>> I installed a base Parabola system using this ISO. I did not test
>> the audio. It worked without flaws.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org> 
>> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu 
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>> 
> 
> 

A new version of TalkingParabola has been released today. I've tested
this version in my machine and works very well (speech support in the
installation).

Here is the link to download ->
http://repo.parabola.nu/iso/talkingparabola/talkingparabola-2015.02.21-dual.iso
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From blade.vp2020 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 03:19:25 2015
From: blade.vp2020 at gmail.com (Ali Abdul Ghani)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:19:25 -0800
Subject: [Dev] parabola for blind
In-Reply-To: <54E89EC0.3020902@riseup.net>
References: <CAHWa5udbsyN42MZmLMctBQqtuXiVJj=jP=WjtP2wvUqe0K9wkg@mail.gmail.com>
 <54755EB0.2090103@riseup.net> <54756F86.9060405@riseup.net>
 <54770BB0.6020804@riseup.net>
 <CAHWa5uc_bA0ce2b=8rE=uam+v3moP4fy_mf_huk1TcvmsBhwRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <548342BF.3030205@riseup.net>
 <20141208105836.f0a39e680837d738e9fec4c1@mailoo.org>
 <CAHWa5ufa8nm-giLVL2tF0uFEnO8qnpAkEz8h+pNCsh0YQmcSCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <54E89EC0.3020902@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <CAHWa5ucBwvncfMtLUKbhDJz-Cm4=hVGufBg--iRdf20gD-i9+Q@mail.gmail.com>

The same problem in step 6
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch
and  it Do not talk after reboot

2015-02-21 7:05 ??????-08:00, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net>:
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> On 12/09/2014 10:59 AM, Ali Abdul Ghani wrote:
>> it Do not talk after reboot
>>
>> 2014-12-08 5:58 ??????-08:00, Esteban Carnevale
>> <alfplayer at mailoo.org>:
>>> I installed a base Parabola system using this ISO. I did not test
>>> the audio. It worked without flaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Esteban Carnevale <alfplayer at mailoo.org>
>>> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list
>>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>>>
>>
>>
>
> A new version of TalkingParabola has been released today. I've tested
> this version in my machine and works very well (speech support in the
> installation).
>
> Here is the link to download ->
> http://repo.parabola.nu/iso/talkingparabola/talkingparabola-2015.02.21-dual.iso
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-- 
Think not of them, thou hast thy music too


From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Sun Feb 22 22:51:45 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:51:45 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Community package [wine] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150222225145.402.40553@parabola.nu>

bugmenot at bugmenot.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

out of date



From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Feb 22 23:36:10 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 21:36:10 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Community package [wine] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <20150222225145.402.40553@parabola.nu>
References: <20150222225145.402.40553@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <54EA67EA.9040602@riseup.net>

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On 02/22/2015 08:51 PM, Parabola Website Notification wrote:
> bugmenot at bugmenot.com wants to notify you that the following
> packages may be out-of-date:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The user provided the following additional text:
> 
> out of date
> 

wine comes from Arch
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Feb 23 21:33:45 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:33:45 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Community package [wine] marked out-of-date
In-Reply-To: <54EA67EA.9040602@riseup.net>
References: <20150222225145.402.40553@parabola.nu>
 <54EA67EA.9040602@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <878ufos47a.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
> wine comes from Arch

i wish mirrors had a push approach to upgrades :P

-- 
http://vqfe4xmhxzi7w2uv.onion
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Tue Feb 24 02:42:32 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1256?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 00:42:32 -0200
Subject: [Dev] parabola for blind
In-Reply-To: <CAHWa5ucBwvncfMtLUKbhDJz-Cm4=hVGufBg--iRdf20gD-i9+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHWa5udbsyN42MZmLMctBQqtuXiVJj=jP=WjtP2wvUqe0K9wkg@mail.gmail.com>	<54755EB0.2090103@riseup.net>	<54756F86.9060405@riseup.net>	<54770BB0.6020804@riseup.net>	<CAHWa5uc_bA0ce2b=8rE=uam+v3moP4fy_mf_huk1TcvmsBhwRg@mail.gmail.com>	<548342BF.3030205@riseup.net>	<20141208105836.f0a39e680837d738e9fec4c1@mailoo.org>	<CAHWa5ufa8nm-giLVL2tF0uFEnO8qnpAkEz8h+pNCsh0YQmcSCg@mail.gmail.com>	<54E89EC0.3020902@riseup.net>
 <CAHWa5ucBwvncfMtLUKbhDJz-Cm4=hVGufBg--iRdf20gD-i9+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54EBE518.4010401@riseup.net>

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On 02/22/2015 01:19 AM, Ali Abdul Ghani wrote:
> The same problem in step 6 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch and  it Do not
> talk after reboot
> 

Yesterday, coadde and me installed Parabola with the latest
TalkingParabola in a lot of machines, but following our installation
guide [0] instead of TalkingArch [1] and speaking support works well
after reboot.
In our installation guide there is a specific part when mention it
[2], also about braille support [3].

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide
[1]:https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch
[2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide#Configure_speaking_support_.28for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.29
[3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide#Braille_Support
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From blade.vp2020 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 08:18:02 2015
From: blade.vp2020 at gmail.com (Ali Abdul Ghani)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 00:18:02 -0800
Subject: [Dev] parabola for blind
In-Reply-To: <54EBE518.4010401@riseup.net>
References: <CAHWa5udbsyN42MZmLMctBQqtuXiVJj=jP=WjtP2wvUqe0K9wkg@mail.gmail.com>
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for me it Do not talk after reboot
I find problem in step 6

I Followed
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch
and The same problem in installation guide
https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide


2015-02-23 18:42 ??????-08:00, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net>:
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> On 02/22/2015 01:19 AM, Ali Abdul Ghani wrote:
>> The same problem in step 6
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch and  it Do not
>> talk after reboot
>>
>
> Yesterday, coadde and me installed Parabola with the latest
> TalkingParabola in a lot of machines, but following our installation
> guide [0] instead of TalkingArch [1] and speaking support works well
> after reboot.
> In our installation guide there is a specific part when mention it
> [2], also about braille support [3].
>
> [0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide
> [1]:https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TalkingArch
> [2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide#Configure_speaking_support_.28for_blind_and_visually_impaired_users.29
> [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Installation_guide#Braille_Support
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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Feb 25 17:07:31 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:07:31 -0300
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
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Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
>
>> for:
>>
>> * openswan
>> * networkmanager-openswan
>> * galera
>> * mariadb-galera
>
> also:
>
> * knot
> * libshout-idjc
> * idjc
> * gnupg1

* mosquitto

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Feb 25 17:19:07 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:19:07 -0200
Subject: [Dev] x86_64 packagers needed
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On 02/25/2015 03:07 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
>> 
>>> for:
>>> 
>>> * openswan * networkmanager-openswan * galera * mariadb-galera
>> 
>> also:
>> 
>> * knot * libshout-idjc * idjc * gnupg1
> 
> * mosquitto
> 

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From nobody at repo.parabola.nu  Fri Feb 27 08:16:33 2015
From: nobody at repo.parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:16:33 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Kernels package [linux-libre-rt] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20150227081633.389.46253@parabola.nu>

biserangeloff at gmail.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/3.18/ (patch2 is available)