From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu Dec  3 02:07:35 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:07:35 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [qtox-git] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151203020735.365.45417@parabola.nu>

john at email.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* qtox-git r3871.db52ef6-1 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/qtox-git/
* qtox-git r3871.db52ef6-1 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/qtox-git/


The user provided the following additional text:

Several important fixes released.
https://github.com/tux3/qTox/commit/6a7479912ee3666e988f45f043a1b7f057512a96



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Dec  4 21:26:39 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:26:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
Message-ID: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


if someone beats me at putting LE on the server, take into account they
have a rate limit set on 5 subdomains from the same domain... but you
can create a single cert for all domains like so

    letscrypt-auto certonly -d parabola.nu -d repo.parabola.nu [ ... ]

-- 
http://partidopirata.com.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151204/517db791/attachment.sig>

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sat Dec  5 12:13:44 2015
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop>

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:26:39 -0300
fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:

> if someone beats me at putting LE on the server, take into account
> they have a rate limit set on 5 subdomains from the same domain...
> but you can create a single cert for all domains like so
> 
>     letscrypt-auto certonly -d parabola.nu -d repo.parabola.nu [ ... ]
I've looked at that yesterday for my server and I didn't find any
packages in parabola.

Is letscrypt-auto packaged?

Denis.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151205/2039de6d/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Dec  5 12:33:01 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:33:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop>
Message-ID: <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo at no-log.org> writes:

> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:26:39 -0300
> fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
>
>> if someone beats me at putting LE on the server, take into account
>> they have a rate limit set on 5 subdomains from the same domain...
>> but you can create a single cert for all domains like so
>> 
>>     letscrypt-auto certonly -d parabola.nu -d repo.parabola.nu [ ... ]
> I've looked at that yesterday for my server and I didn't find any
> packages in parabola.
>
> Is letscrypt-auto packaged?

the package is called "letsencrypt", there's also the nginx plugin
"letsencrypt-nginx" but i wouldn't recommend it:

* it doesn't work :P
* it retouches the indentation for all of your config files for free

-- 
 D
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151205/2021b195/attachment.sig>

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sat Dec  5 21:03:21 2015
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 22:03:21 +0100
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop>
 <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20151205220321.06da0506@top-laptop>

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:33:01 -0300
fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> wrote:
> the package is called "letsencrypt"
# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
[...]
:: Starting full system upgrade...
 there is nothing to do

# pacman -sS letsencrypt
# uname -m
# i686

Did I forget to enable some repositories?
I already have PCR enabled.

> there's also the nginx plugin
> "letsencrypt-nginx" but i wouldn't recommend it:
I use Apache.

Denis.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151205/20c8925f/attachment.sig>

From niitotantei at riseup.net  Sat Dec  5 23:17:31 2015
From: niitotantei at riseup.net (Daniel Milewski)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:17:31 +0100
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <20151205220321.06da0506@top-laptop>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205220321.06da0506@top-laptop>
Message-ID: <1449357451.2103.0.camel@riseup.net>

> Did I forget to enable some repositories?
> I already have PCR enabled.

No, this is because you're using a stable version of Parabola. Make
repo.parabola.nu your main mirror to switch to the rolling release one.

-- 
Daniel Milewski
GPG key ID: 8D43A4A1
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: This is a digitally signed message part
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151206/c3da30bf/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec  6 01:07:32 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:07:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <1449357451.2103.0.camel@riseup.net>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205220321.06da0506@top-laptop> <1449357451.2103.0.camel@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <871tb0wfjf.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Daniel Milewski <niitotantei at riseup.net> writes:

>> Did I forget to enable some repositories?
>> I already have PCR enabled.
>
> No, this is because you're using a stable version of Parabola. Make
> repo.parabola.nu your main mirror to switch to the rolling release one.

xDDD

-- 
:>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151205/1a412c1c/attachment.sig>

From hellekin at gnu.org  Sun Dec  6 18:00:18 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:00:18 +0000
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <566477B2.50107@gnu.org>

On 12/05/2015 12:33 PM, fauno wrote:
>
> * it retouches the indentation for all of your config files for free
> 

Duh.  I thought already when testing it that it does more than necessary
(e.g., assuming you're running on the web server and such).  But the CLI
is good enough that once you go past the initial annoyance of the
challenge, you can use crontab to keep your certificates up-to-date.

==
hk


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec  6 23:28:12 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 20:28:12 -0300
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <566477B2.50107@gnu.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566477B2.50107@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <878u57upgz.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:

> On 12/05/2015 12:33 PM, fauno wrote:
>>
>> * it retouches the indentation for all of your config files for free
>> 
>
> Duh.  I thought already when testing it that it does more than necessary
> (e.g., assuming you're running on the web server and such).  But the CLI
> is good enough that once you go past the initial annoyance of the
> challenge, you can use crontab to keep your certificates up-to-date.

there's this acmetool[^1] i wanted to package but i keep feeling
language-specific dependency resolvers are meant to skip and annoy
distro packagers


[^1]: https://github.com/hlandau/acme

-- 
}(:=
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151206/f12409fc/attachment.sig>

From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Sun Dec  6 23:33:22 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 23:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <878u57upgz.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566477B2.50107@gnu.org> <878u57upgz.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5664C5C2.7040305@gmail.com>

On 06/12/15 23:28, fauno wrote:
> hellekin <hellekin at gnu.org> writes:
>
>> On 12/05/2015 12:33 PM, fauno wrote:
>>>
>>> * it retouches the indentation for all of your config files for free
>>>
>>
>> Duh.  I thought already when testing it that it does more than necessary
>> (e.g., assuming you're running on the web server and such).  But the CLI
>> is good enough that once you go past the initial annoyance of the
>> challenge, you can use crontab to keep your certificates up-to-date.
>
> there's this acmetool[^1] i wanted to package but i keep feeling
> language-specific dependency resolvers are meant to skip and annoy
> distro packagers
>
>
> [^1]: https://github.com/hlandau/acme

Talking of language-specific dependency resolvers ... are all the 
dependencies met by them free?

>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Dec  7 00:39:46 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 21:39:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <5664C5C2.7040305@gmail.com>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566477B2.50107@gnu.org> <878u57upgz.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5664C5C2.7040305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87oae3t7l9.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Josh Branning <lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com> writes:
> Talking of language-specific dependency resolvers ... are all the 
> dependencies met by them free?

that's included in their pitaness :P

-- 
}(:=
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151206/846c1a2e/attachment.sig>

From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 01:11:39 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 01:11:39 +0000
Subject: [Dev] let's encrypt on server
In-Reply-To: <87oae3t7l9.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d9x5v4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151205131344.35812e9d@top-laptop> <87bna5vzwi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566477B2.50107@gnu.org> <878u57upgz.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5664C5C2.7040305@gmail.com> <87oae3t7l9.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5664DCCB.6080608@gmail.com>

On 07/12/15 00:39, fauno wrote:
> Josh Branning <lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com> writes:
>> Talking of language-specific dependency resolvers ... are all the
>> dependencies met by them free?
>
> that's included in their pitaness :P
>

Ah yes, I see there is a freedom issue (#83) related to one. Having 
multiple package managers is a bad idea I think anyway (dependency 
conflicts etc.), but sometimes is required to build. I guess it gives 
the language specific developers an easier time when packaging, but, 
really is laziness and like you said, and just annoys the distro packagers.


From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue Dec  8 10:43:39 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 10:43:39 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151208104339.364.94560@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat 38.3.0_gnu1-6 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat/
* icecat 38.3.0_gnu1-6 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat/
* icecat-debug 38.3.0_gnu1-6 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat-debug/
* icecat-debug 38.3.0_gnu1-6 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

Upstream updated
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/38.4.0/



From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Dec  9 08:09:52 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 05:09:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
Message-ID: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>

Hi Parabolers,

F?rum Internacional do Software Livre (FISL) (International Free
Software Forum) is considered one of the world?s largest free software
events sponsored by Associa??o Software Livre.Org (Free Software
Association) in my native country Brazil. It takes place every year in
Porto Alegre, the capital of Rio Grande Do Sul, the southernmost state
of Brazil. Associa??o Software Livre.Org is a Brazilian NGO that, among
other goals, seeks the promotion and adoption of free software.

I propose Parabola applies for a joint Parabola+Ceata+GNU
Linux-libre+GNU Solidario stand to sponsoring this event, also make a
conference between us. We can then try to get help and raise funds for
needed things that could be the following points:

* A old laptop: since i use just desktop computers, i need a one to make
a conference in Portuguese, show to the public our Parabola's slide
presentation based on community contribution from our wiki [0]
There's a beta slide presentation created by coadde from LibreOffice
Impress [1] based on contribution made from the wiki, it's incomplete
and need more work, also i've plans to translate it to Portuguese in the
next week. crazytoon said me that could create more cartoons to improve
it. In addition, i would make a demonstration to the public how to
maintain packages in Parabola to motives new hackers participate on our
distro and demonstrate to the public how to Parabola works.
Therefore, if somebody have a old laptop that isn't not using and works
well (it can be without HDD and/or optical disc drive) or donate money
around 70~120 dollars to buy a used one in Argentina, i would be very
grateful. Otherwise, i have a friend that has plans to travel from
Europa to Uruguay in January, then we could buy a used old laptop on
that continent for better price than Argentina (eg. under 50 dollars)
and he could wear it when he goes travel. If somebody could looking for
a cheap used old laptop in that continent or have a new better idea or
way to get a used old laptop in another place, please let us know.

* Tickets: I'm brazilian, however i'm living outside of my country (now
i'm in Uruguay and sometimes in Argentina), then i need tickets to
travel to Porto Alegre. Since Montevideo is neared than Buenos Aires to
travel to Porto Alegre, i prefer travel from Montevideo, and the round
trip ticket costs 167 dollars [2].

* Payments concerning the travel (eg. food, hotel, etc). I don't know if
hotel is needed for this case since FISL give a gratis place to stay
there thought, i need get info about it, maybe we could ask to Alexandre
Oliva who participated on previous FISL events. I suggest get funds
around 150 dollars for theses costs and the extra money after the event
should come back to our fund again. New ideas are welcome here too.

* Parabola+Ceata+GNU Linux-libre+GNU Solidario stand to sponsoring FISL:
We need get info about it when Associa??o Software Livre.Org will open
the stand vacancy for the FISL17 event.

* Conference: Alexandre Oliva made some conferences at FISL16
[3][4][5][6], then i would propose make a conference together him, Luis
Falc?n and Tiberiu to talk about our distro based on community
contribution material made from our wiki [0], our official fiscal
sponsorship Ceata and its fundation [7], our new support for ARMv7
architectures [8], GNU Solidario and GNU Health and GNU Linux-libre. New
ideas? What do you think about it?

* Our official mascots: Parabola is not just free software advocate
because defend the freedom speech in the culture too. We have our
official mascots GNU [9] and Bola [10] created by our hackers coadde
[11] and crazytoon [12] and it could be presented in this event too.
They have plans to make a animatic/animation (inspired on Star Trek)
about ARM and that GNU and Bola are arriving to ARM Planet from their
spaceship. Their mission is put the freedom flag there. They need
musicians hackers for it, also enthusiasts for the english-speakers
voices. They have plans to begin it around January, if somebody would
join on it, please let us know.

* Material about health and support for blind and visually impaired
users: GNU Solidario works globally, delivering health and education to
the underprivileged by means of Free Software. GNU Health is a
Free/Libre project for health practitioners, health institutions, etc.
Parabola supports this great project from PCR repo [13], also we have
TalkingParabola that is a respin of the Parabola ISO modified to include
speech and braille output for blind and visually impaired users [14] We
could create some videos/tutorials about how gnuhealth and
TalkingParabola works in Parabola and help people around the world. If
somebody can help us on it, please let us know.

* Promotion materials: stickers, buttons, <add you idea here>, etc are
all welcome and needed to disseminate it around the event.

Note: We should print all purchase invoices concerning the event about
Parabola and send to our distro to keep transparency.

Parabola is adhocratic in its essence and each decision/suggestion is
made under consensus by the community. New ideas, suggestions are welcome!

Happy hacking!!

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Presentation
[1]:https://repo.parabola.nu/sources/parabola_presentation-beta.odp
[2]:http://www.ega.com.uy/horarios_tarifas.php?origen=Montevideo&destinoBuscado=&destino=Porto+Alegre
[3]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdeM6CyTx3s
[4]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYzBjUwuR-s
[5]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGw36V7mCeQ
[6]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ4XgHS0Oh0
[7]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-receives-fiscal-sponsorship-from-fundatia-ceata/
[8]:https://www.parabola.nu/news/parabola-supports-armv7/
[9]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/images/f/f2/Gnu01-mascot-logo%2Bparabola-logo_100ppi.png
[10]:https://projects.parabola.nu/pac.git/plain/src/img/parabola_officialCharacter-bola-bipedWalking_r223d74405x313d9552px_noa_nof_nos_svg1d1.svg
[11]:https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#coadde
[12]:https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#Crazytoon
[13]:https://www.parabola.nu/packages/pcr/any/gnuhealth/
[14]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Presentation#TalkingParabola_GNU.2FLinux-libre

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151209/f28fec38/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Dec  9 12:37:21 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 09:37:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
Message-ID: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


fyi

-- 
:O

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 07:11:06 -0300
From: <bread at ponape.com.ar>
Subject: First Reproducible Builds Summit

-------------- next part --------------
First Reproducible Builds Summit
================================

https://guardianproject.info/2015/12/09/first-reproducible-builds-summit/

I was just in Athens for the ?[Reproducible Builds
Summit](https://reproducible-builds.org/events/athens2015/)?, an
[Aspiration](https://aspirationtech.org/)-run meeting focused on the
issues of getting all software builds to be reproducible. This means
that anyone starting with the same source code can build the *exact*
same binary, bit-for-bit. At first glance, it sounds like this horrible,
arcane detail, which it is really. But it provides tons on real benefits
that can save lots of time. And in terms of programming, it can actually
be quite fun, like doing a puzzle or sudoku, since there is a very clear
point where you have ?won?.

Here are some examples of real benefits:

-   makes it easy to ensure no malware was inserted into software during
    the build process (e.g. the XCodeGhost malware we just saw)
-   provides a QA tool to make sure that changes in the source code of a
    project produce only the expected results
-   allows F-Droid to use the developer?s APK signature while still
    verifying that apps build from 100% free software
-   make it possible to optimize and profile build processes while
    guaranteeing the results are exactly the same
-   for large projects, it can greatly speed up the build process (think
    rebuilding Gmail)

Represented there was: [Debian](http://https//www.debian.org), Google,
[FreeBSD](https://www.freebsd.org/), [Fedora](https://getfedora.org/),
[F-Droid](https://f-droid.org),\
 [Homebrew](http://brew.sh/), [MacPorts](https://www.macports.org/),
[NetBSD](https://www.netbsd.org/), [Arch
Linux](https://www.archlinux.org/),
[Coreboot](https://www.coreboot.org/), [OpenWRT](https://openwrt.org/),
and a bunch of other\
 projects like an automotive Linux distro called
[Baserock](https://wiki.baserock.org/), the
[Guix](https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/) package manager, a Linux
distro called [NixOS](https://nixos.org/),
[Haskell](https://www.haskell.org/) hackers, etc.

The organizers are already planning a second meeting, probably in April
in Western Europe, and are looking to get more projects involved. Lots
of people were talking about how it would be great to get some Android
ROM developers involved. So if you are a contributor to CyanogenMod,
Copperhead, [OmniROM](https://omnirom.org/),
[Replicant](http://www.replicant.us/), Blackphone, etc. and would be
interested in attending, please let us know!
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151209/2949eaa4/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151209/2949eaa4/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 10 04:36:51 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 01:36:51 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56690163.4090806@riseup.net>

On 12/09/2015 05:09 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> They have plans to make a animatic/animation (inspired on Star Trek)
> about ARM and that GNU and Bola are arriving to ARM Planet from their
> spaceship. Their mission is put the freedom flag there.

Crazytoon told me that GNU an Bola's mission is not put a freedom flag
in the ARM planet because it sounds imperialist, the mission is related
to liberate ARM planet removing nonfree stuff made by the proprietary
dogs that uses it to enslave mankind. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/a8fe79a7/attachment.sig>

From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Thu Dec 10 05:38:39 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:38:39 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56690163.4090806@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56690163.4090806@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87oadykgm8.fsf@abril.charola>

#triggered

El mi?rcoles 09 de diciembre del 2015 a las 2236 horas, Andr? Silva escribi?:

> On 12/09/2015 05:09 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> They have plans to make a animatic/animation (inspired on Star Trek)
>> about ARM and that GNU and Bola are arriving to ARM Planet from their
>> spaceship. Their mission is put the freedom flag there.
>
> Crazytoon told me that GNU an Bola's mission is not put a freedom flag
> in the ARM planet because it sounds imperialist, the mission is related
> to liberate ARM planet removing nonfree stuff made by the proprietary
> dogs that uses it to enslave mankind. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 10 08:16:20 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:16:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] coadde's BeagleBone Black shipping status
Message-ID: <566934D4.4040101@riseup.net>

From: http://www.correo.com.uy/index.asp?H=N&codPag=tyt
Tracking code: CO988911445RO

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/11/14 12:40

Place:
ROMANIA

Event:
ADMISSION IN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/11/16 18:01

Place:
ROMANIA

Event:
PROCESSING IN OFFICE OF ORIGIN

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/11/26 23:45

Place:
SPAIN

Event:
OUT OF ORIGIN

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/11/28 10:59

Place:
AIR CHANGE IN AIRPORT OF MONTEVIDEO, URUGUAY

Event:
ARRIVAL OF CONTAINER TO URUGUAY

-------------------------------------------------------

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/9347d79c/attachment.sig>

From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Thu Dec 10 12:10:17 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:10:17 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Server Concerns
In-Reply-To: <87bnathhjg.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (fauno@endefensadelsl.org's
 message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:26:43 -0300")
References: <5648E120.40403@openmailbox.org> <877flj6mdg.fsf@abril.charola>
 <87mvufht01.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <5649E073.9060707@openmailbox.org>
 <8737w6hw0z.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87k2phg70u.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <87h9klhjv2.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87fv05g4en.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <87bnathhjg.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87y4d27bdi.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

Current status: Mailman admin interface was not working due to
insufficient disk space.  I compressed one of the old PostgreSQL
backups.

>> We have several old backups of this data, for various PostgreSQL
>> versions and architectures.
>
> are these backups the extra ~3G?

We need a clear policy of which backups to keep and where.

>> MySQL doesn't have such backups; I don't know its root password and I'm
>> not interested in resetting it again.
>
> i'm making experiments with backupninja, i'll come back with more info
> later on.

Any info?

Could we setup some monitoring tools to detect such issues earlier?
Also the usual wiki availability problems.  (I'm personally interested
in Shinken, but I don't have experience with these.)
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 818 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/2009246c/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 10 12:37:29 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:37:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] C++ ABI rebuild announcement
Message-ID: <56697209.7040208@riseup.net>

fyi
--

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:02:03 +1000
From: Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org>
To: Public mailing list for Arch Linux development
 <arch-dev-public at archlinux.org>
Subject: [arch-dev-public] C++ ABI rebuild announcement

Here is a draft announcement.

C++ ABI rebuild

GCC-5.x release libstdc++ with a dual ABI [1].  We have now switched to
the new ABI.

While the old C++ ABI is still available, it is recommended that you
build all non-repo packages to have the new ABI. This is particularly if
they link to another library built against the new ABI.  You can get the
list of packages to rebuild using the following:

for i in $(pacman -Qqm); do
  if pacman -Qql $i | xargs readelf -d 2>/dev/null | grep -q
libstdc++.so.6; then
    echo $i;
  fi;
done

[1] https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/using_dual_abi.html
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/f9975749/attachment.sig>

From hellekin at gnu.org  Thu Dec 10 14:55:27 2015
From: hellekin at gnu.org (hellekin)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:55:27 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5669925F.8000702@gnu.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

On 12/09/2015 12:37 PM, fauno wrote:
> 
> fyi
> 
> 
> 
>   First Reproducible Builds Summit
> 

I met a few people who were there, and they were quite happy about how
it went.  I'm eager to meet with Lunar and learn more about the current
status of Debian reproducible builds.

Any plan for Parabola?

==
hk

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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=Kpum
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 15:03:01 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:03:01 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Server Concerns
In-Reply-To: <87y4d27bdi.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <5648E120.40403@openmailbox.org> <877flj6mdg.fsf@abril.charola>
 <87mvufht01.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <5649E073.9060707@openmailbox.org>
 <8737w6hw0z.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87k2phg70u.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <87h9klhjv2.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87fv05g4en.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
 <87bnathhjg.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87y4d27bdi.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <56699425.1020907@gmail.com>

On 10/12/15 12:10, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
> Current status: Mailman admin interface was not working due to
> insufficient disk space.  I compressed one of the old PostgreSQL
> backups.
>
>>> We have several old backups of this data, for various PostgreSQL
>>> versions and architectures.
>>
>> are these backups the extra ~3G?
>
> We need a clear policy of which backups to keep and where.
>
>>> MySQL doesn't have such backups; I don't know its root password and I'm
>>> not interested in resetting it again.
>>
>> i'm making experiments with backupninja, i'll come back with more info
>> later on.
>
> Any info?
>
> Could we setup some monitoring tools to detect such issues earlier?
> Also the usual wiki availability problems.  (I'm personally interested
> in Shinken, but I don't have experience with these.)

In regards to people mirroring parabola also requiring more space (as a 
secondary issue to that of running out of space on the server). Isn't 
there a way to partially mirror different parts of parabola either way?

If so, it might be worth reconsidering buying more space on the server, 
as, to me, this still seems preferable to deleting stuff or taking it 
offline completely, even if there are only a few mirrors.

That said, I'm not sure what the parabola funds are like, but hard-disk 
drives are fairly cheap.


From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Thu Dec 10 15:16:58 2015
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:16:58 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>

Hi,

Does that mean that parabola has some interest in reproducible builds?
Is there some plans to tackle the problem?

As I understand it, unlike other distributions that have a single point
of failure, that is, their build infrastructure, we do have to trust:
-> Every single package maintainer from parabola
-> Every single package maintainer from arch as we use most of their
   stock packages
-> The machine and the software involved in the creation of the
   packages, including arch developers who probably run non-free
   software on their developer's machines.

Since parabola suits really really very well, and that I value freedom
over security, I still do use Parabola.
Adapting to Trisquel was too painful for me.

> -------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
[...]
> 
> First Reproducible Builds Summit
> ================================
> 
> https://guardianproject.info/2015/12/09/first-reproducible-builds-summit/
> 
> I was just in Athens for the ?[Reproducible Builds
> Summit](https://reproducible-builds.org/events/athens2015/)?, an
> [Aspiration](https://aspirationtech.org/)-run meeting focused on the
> issues of getting all software builds to be reproducible. This means
> that anyone starting with the same source code can build the *exact*
> same binary, bit-for-bit. At first glance, it sounds like this
> horrible, arcane detail, which it is really. But it provides tons on
> real benefits that can save lots of time. And in terms of
> programming, it can actually be quite fun, like doing a puzzle or
> sudoku, since there is a very clear point where you have ?won?.
> 
> Here are some examples of real benefits:
[...]
Well, there are even more benefits, if we get that into parabola, you
can then debug parabola.
Right now we have no debug symbols. That would not be a problem anymore,
as you would be able to generate them afterward.
The user would just recompile the package with debug enabled to get
such symbols. The sha512sum of this package binaries would still match.

> Google,
Was it because of chromeOS and chromebooks?
I see a point in getting chromeOS boot firmware reproducible, that
would make the point that you can have a secure and free software boot
firmware.
I'm not saying that their always is 100% free software. Usually they
use coreboot with vendor blobs.

[Arch Linux](https://www.archlinux.org/),
What is its status?

> [Coreboot](https://www.coreboot.org/),
Here that's really interesting. It will also make it into next
libreboot release.
Let's imagine your laptop get modified during shipping and a modified
coreboot/libreboot image is built and reflashed.
Now with an external programmer you can detect that:
Dumping the flash from the same laptop you want to verify may not give
you the real content of the flash (the hardware makes it way to easy to
give back a modified image).
So Dumping the flash externally and building the same image makes it
possible to check if there was any modification.

> [Guix](https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/) package manager
As I understand it's not as stable (bug free, usable) as Parabola yet.

If Arch becomes reproducible, we definitely want to get reproducible
too. That would permit us to check the arch packages, and to get debug
symbols easily.

Given that, in Parabola community, 100% free system are more commons,
and that they can be verified as stated above, the benefit would be
really great.

Let's not have the dilemma of having to choose between:
-> security and not-100% free distributions.
-> Freedom and insecure distributions.

Denis.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/6ceb49f6/attachment.sig>

From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 16:02:37 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:02:37 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <5669925F.8000702@gnu.org>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <5669925F.8000702@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <5669A21D.7090008@gmail.com>

>>    First Reproducible Builds Summit
>>
>
> I met a few people who were there, and they were quite happy about how
> it went.  I'm eager to meet with Lunar and learn more about the current
> status of Debian reproducible builds.
>
> Any plan for Parabola?

It's something I would like to see too. Ideally an operating system like 
parabola could be built from source and then verified, although that's a 
pretty big ask.

I notice there is a nice script (dagpkg) for building packages. Perhaps 
it would be useful for not only automated builds, but reproducible ones too?

I recently found a nice vendor-neutral website about reproducible builds 
[1]. It says about setting the build environment, including:

specific operating system (if cross-compiling is not supported)

and

build system architecture (if cross-compiling is not supported)

If it is possible to cross-compile the packages that make up the 
Parabola ISO, then the whole operating system could perhaps be built, 
then verified by a completely different system. This would help to give 
users migrating to Parabola more peace of mind over the security of the OS.

I know Parabola is not (Cross) Linux From Scratch, but pacman can 
theoretically work on other operating systems, and to me it looks like 
the potential there for users to be able to compile the whole OS (and 
perhaps verify) on many other major platforms.

Also, if users are able to build, in bulk, the Parabola packages like 
this, it would help those with limited or no internet connection(s) for 
people less well off, and could provide a robust way of allowing a quick 
restart development if (heaven forbid) the project were to cease.


Josh


[1] https://reproducible-builds.org/docs/


From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu Dec 10 19:04:21 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:04:21 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [cups-filters] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151210190421.364.80433@parabola.nu>

alessi at robertalessi.net wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* cups-filters 1.2.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/cups-filters/
* cups-filters 1.2.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/cups-filters/
* cups-filters 1.2.0-1.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/cups-filters/


The user provided the following additional text:

cups-filters-1.2.0-1.parabola1 blocks the upgrade to poppler-38.0 as it requires poppler=0.37.0



From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Thu Dec 10 19:42:38 2015
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:42:38 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>
Message-ID: <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>



Le jeu. 10 d?c. 2015 ? 9:16, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli 
<GNUtoo at no-log.org> a ?crit :
> [Arch Linux](https://www.archlinux.org/),
> What is its status?

It wasn't promising last time fauno forwarded an email by Allan McRae 
from the Arch mailing lists:
https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2015-August/003182.html
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/ccf6fe3a/attachment.htm>

From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 23:51:52 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:51:52 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>
 <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <566A1018.6020603@gmail.com>

On 10/12/15 19:42, Isaac David wrote:
>
>
> Le jeu. 10 d?c. 2015 ? 9:16, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
> a ?crit :
>> [Arch Linux](https://www.archlinux.org/), What is its status?
>
> It wasn't promising last time fauno forwarded an email by Allan McRae
> from the Arch mailing lists:
> https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2015-August/003182.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>

I guess if people have enough time, it's still worth pursuing. The 
people at Debian had issues getting as far as they did too.

https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=debian%20timestamp%20bug%20reproducible

(ironically, I had issues searching their www bug-tracker interface)

Personally, I'd be happy even if just the packages that create the iso 
were reproducible, the rest could be built by the user from source (and 
a local repository).

Of course it is easy for me to say this, but I don't actively develop 
parabola.

But if I get round to it, I will have a go. I would like to try the 
cross-compiling route at some point anyway. That's unless someone beats 
me to it. ;)


Josh


From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 00:33:59 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:33:59 +0000
Subject: [Dev] rsync problems.
Message-ID: <566A19F7.60301@gmail.com>

Hi, I'm trying to rsync:

rsync rsync://repo.parabola.nu:875/repos --list-only at ERROR: max 
connections (12) reached -- try again later
rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at 
main.c(1653) [Receiver=3.1.0]

rsync http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/repo/libre/arch --list-only

(hangs)

rsync http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org --list-only

(hangs)


Are you still having bandwidth problems?


Josh


From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Fri Dec 11 01:02:22 2015
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:02:22 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <566A1018.6020603@gmail.com>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>
 <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> <566A1018.6020603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1449795742.970.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

I would say we should keep an eye on Arch, we depend on them. There's 
some hope given fauno's OP

Le jeu. 10 d?c. 2015 ? 17:51, Josh Branning 
<lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> On 10/12/15 19:42, Isaac David wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Le jeu. 10 d?c. 2015 ? 9:16, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli 
>> <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
>> a ?crit :
>>> [Arch Linux](https://www.archlinux.org/), What is its status?
>> 
>> It wasn't promising last time fauno forwarded an email by Allan McRae
>> from the Arch mailing lists:
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2015-August/003182.html
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
>> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
>> 
> 
> I guess if people have enough time, it's still worth pursuing. The 
> people at Debian had issues getting as far as they did too.
> 
> https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=debian%20timestamp%20bug%20reproducible
> 
> (ironically, I had issues searching their www bug-tracker interface)
> 
> Personally, I'd be happy even if just the packages that create the 
> iso were reproducible, the rest could be built by the user from 
> source (and a local repository).
> 
> Of course it is easy for me to say this, but I don't actively develop 
> parabola.
> 
> But if I get round to it, I will have a go. I would like to try the 
> cross-compiling route at some point anyway. That's unless someone 
> beats me to it. ;)
> 
> 
> Josh
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151210/081abe33/attachment.htm>

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Fri Dec 11 11:58:47 2015
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:58:47 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [SOAP-Lite] Documentation
Message-ID: <20151211125847.5bced94f@top-laptop>

Hi,

In the README of SOAP-Lite, there is, near the end of it:
> LICENSE
>     This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
> modify it under the same terms as Perl itself.
This is nice, thanks a lot for writing this module.

>     This text and all associated documentation for this library is
> made available under the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs 2.0
> license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/
However this is an issue for me:
I'd like to have SOAP-Lite integrated in the GNU/Linux distribution
that I use. However they do not accept non-free software (and
documentation).
So I guess the most straightforward way is to remove "This text and all
associated documentation for this library"

As for the README, I guess I should only keep the COPYRIGHT, LICENSE,
and AUTHORS sections.

However I'm unsure what "all associated documentation for this library"
consists in.

Listing files not being licensed "under the same terms as Perl itself."
gives me:

bin/SOAPsh.pl
Changes
Debian_CPANTS.txt
dist.ini
examples/google.pl
examples/XMLRPC/xmlrpc.daemon
examples/XMLRPC/mod_xmlrpc.htaccess
examples/XMLRPC/simple1.pl
examples/XMLRPC/xmlrpc.cgi
examples/weblog.pl
examples/compress.pl
examples/terraserver.pl
examples/COM/make-com-standalone.bat
examples/COM/SOAP-Lite-COM-minimal.ctrl
examples/COM/states.html
examples/COM/README
examples/COM/service.vbs
examples/COM/hash.vbs
examples/COM/states.vba
examples/COM/local.vbs
examples/COM/remote.vba
examples/COM/temper.vbs
examples/COM/states.pl
examples/COM/remote.cs
examples/COM/remote.vbs
examples/COM/soap_perl.asp
examples/COM/remote.xls
examples/COM/soap.asp
examples/COM/states.vbs
examples/COM/xmlrpc.vbs
examples/COM/make-com.args
examples/COM/make-com-minimal.bat
examples/COM/soap.vbs
examples/COM/states.xls
examples/COM/hashecho.vbs
examples/COM/SOAP-Lite-COM-standalone.ctrl
examples/server/soap.io
examples/server/soap.pop3
examples/server/soap.tcp
examples/server/soap.mod_cgi
examples/server/soap.cgi
examples/server/soap.daemon.forkonaccept
examples/server/soap.daemon
examples/server/soap_perl.asp
examples/server/Apache.pm
examples/server/soap.fcgi
examples/server/mod_soap.htaccess
examples/server/soap.asp
examples/server/soap.daemon.forkafterprocessing
examples/server/soap.jabber
examples/server/soap.vbs
examples/server/soap.mq
examples/inline.daemon
examples/iterator.pl
examples/oneliners
examples/pingpong.pl
examples/UDDI/syntax2.pl
examples/UDDI/syntax3.pl
examples/UDDI/simple2.pl
examples/UDDI/inquire1.pl
examples/UDDI/simple1.pl
examples/UDDI/syntax1.pl
examples/UDDI/publish1.pl
examples/soapmark.pl
examples/SOAP/Transport/HTTP/Daemon/ForkOnAccept.pm
examples/SOAP/Transport/HTTP/Daemon/ForkAfterProcessing.pm
examples/SOAP/simple2.pl
examples/SOAP/simple1.pl
examples/SOAP/simple3.pl
examples/soapsmtp.pl
examples/oo-apache.pl
examples/getdom.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_rpcenc.wsdl
examples/WSDL/dynamic2.pl
examples/WSDL/stub1.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_rpclit.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_doclit.pl
examples/WSDL/stub3.pl
examples/WSDL/dynamic1.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_rpcenc_schema.pl
examples/WSDL/dynamic4.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_rpclit.wsdl
examples/WSDL/dynamic3.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_rpcenc.pl
examples/WSDL/say_hello_doclit.wsdl
examples/WSDL/stub2.pl
examples/joke.pl
examples/parametersbyname.pl
examples/cookieauth.pl
examples/fullsearch.pl
examples/XML/customxml.pl
examples/tcpclient.pl
examples/forms/style.cgi
examples/forms/style.html
examples/cookie.pl
examples/authentication.pl
examples/customschema.pl
examples/chat.pl
examples/allclients.pl
examples/autoexamples.pl
examples/My/Parameters.pm
examples/My/SessionIterator.pm
examples/My/Examples.pm
examples/My/PersistentIterator.pm
examples/My/PingPong.pm
examples/My/Chat.pm
HACKING
lib/SOAP/Lite/Utils.pm
lib/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchemaSOAP1_2.pm
lib/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchema1999.pm
lib/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchema2001.pm
lib/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchemaSOAP1_1.pm
ReleaseNotes.txt
t/23-ppm.t
t/17-mod_soap.t
t/05-customxml.t
t/SOAP/Transport/IO.t
t/SOAP/Transport/MAILTO.t
t/SOAP/Transport/POP3.t
t/SOAP/Transport/LOCAL.t
t/SOAP/Transport/TCP.t
t/SOAP/Transport/LOOPBACK.t
t/SOAP/Transport/HTTP/CGI.t
t/SOAP/Transport/HTTP/CGI/test_server.pl
t/SOAP/Transport/HTTP.t
t/SOAP/Transport/IO.xml
t/SOAP/Schema/WSDL.t
t/SOAP/Data.t
t/SOAP/Serializer.t
t/SOAP/Lite/Packager.t
t/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchemaSOAP1_2.t
t/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchema1999.t
t/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchema2001.t
t/SOAP/Lite/Deserializer/XMLSchemaSOAP1_1.t
t/21-public.t
t/11-cgi.t
t/19-apachesoap.t
t/38-packager.t
t/03-server.t
t/36-leaks.t
t/015_UNIVERSAL_can.t
t/02-payload.t
t/012-cloneable.t
t/08-schema.t
t/014_UNIVERSAL_use.t
t/01-core.t
t/15-daemon.t
t/04-attach-cid-encoded.t
t/24-wsdl.t
t/14-cgi_apache.t
t/12-cgi_https.t
t/40-loopback.t
t/04-attach.t
t/13-mod_perl.t
t/010-serializer.t
t/013-array-deserialization.t
t/06-modules.t
t/22-interop_apache.t
t/Issues/rt75169.t
t/Issues/recursion.pl
t/Issues/rt74029.t.stored
t/Issues/rt74308.t.wsdl
t/Issues/rt70381.t
t/Issues/rt78588.t
t/Issues/rt53375.t
t/Issues/rt70329.t
t/Issues/rt72836.t
t/Issues/rt74029.t
t/Issues/rt88915.t
t/Issues/rt74308.t
t/Issues/rt15176.t

Which one of theses files should I keep/remove?

Denis.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151211/21b112d3/attachment.sig>

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Fri Dec 11 12:05:24 2015
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 13:05:24 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: First Reproducible Builds Summit
In-Reply-To: <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <87y4d3re66.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <20151210161658.628fddfe@top-laptop>
 <1449776558.22042.1@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <20151211130524.279931b4@top-laptop>

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:42:38 -0600
Isaac David <isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info> wrote:

> It wasn't promising last time fauno forwarded an email by Allan McRae 
> from the Arch mailing lists:
> https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2015-August/003182.html

Did he publish the tool he wrote to verify which packages were
reproducible?

We should start by getting the toolchain reproducible.

Denis.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151211/5494a429/attachment.sig>

From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Fri Dec 11 12:21:16 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 13:21:16 +0100
Subject: [Dev] rsync problems.
In-Reply-To: <566A19F7.60301@gmail.com> (Josh Branning's message of "Fri, 11
 Dec 2015 00:33:59 +0000")
References: <566A19F7.60301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87twnp6urn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> rsync rsync://repo.parabola.nu:875/repos --list-only at ERROR: max
> connections (12) reached -- try again later

mirror.linux.ro took all available connections.  At least one process
started on 2015-11-04.  I stopped all rsyncd processes, it should work
now.

> Are you still having bandwidth problems?

Bandwidth usage seems ok now.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 818 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151211/15a00850/attachment.sig>

From nobody at parabola.nu  Fri Dec 11 17:20:16 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:20:16 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [texlive-bin] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151211172016.482.6973@parabola.nu>

anonymous at example.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* texlive-bin 2015.37497-3.parabola1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2015.37497-5.parabola1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/texlive-bin/
* texlive-bin 2015.37497-5.parabola1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/texlive-bin/


The user provided the following additional text:

Need to rebuild for latest version of poppler (0.38.0)



From lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 01:33:34 2015
From: lovell.joshyyy at gmail.com (Josh Branning)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:33:34 +0000
Subject: [Dev] rsync problems.
In-Reply-To: <87twnp6urn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <566A19F7.60301@gmail.com> <87twnp6urn.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <566B796E.7060201@gmail.com>

On 11/12/15 12:21, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
>> rsync rsync://repo.parabola.nu:875/repos --list-only at ERROR: max
>> connections (12) reached -- try again later
>
> mirror.linux.ro took all available connections.  At least one process
> started on 2015-11-04.  I stopped all rsyncd processes, it should work
> now.
>
>> Are you still having bandwidth problems?
>
> Bandwidth usage seems ok now.
>

Thank you! :)


From ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 12:22:18 2015
From: ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com (Bruno Cichon)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:22:18 +0100
Subject: [Dev] My public key
Message-ID: <566C117A.1090300@gmail.com>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

- -----BEGIN EC PRIVATE KEY-----
Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED
DEK-Info: AES-128-CBC,FAB7D6F46090E7B29C096C523C9B5600

X35POGAdP/yIz/6Sh1+Ktd4eaEZyNjBMXCo798yjq3zxYjVPMCX4HIVuCk/ZEH+G
RYFMbAWa7xXiMreceemt05vUvqAErKeNPhoIiclu9cQ/fiXoAnGO/Nwmlpk2nCvA
Y/HTWevVWx/NisNHFkZMngLPB5KCgxtvBc0iM5tC3GEieAS4bysubLjQmaD/Jyj7
xpmk+Wrc4IvbjOddHzT8RS/mb3xEKKSPmxyviQvDePm2FA+mMfVDbTJ//IfRZOEF
8GzcrCR/mVhRTqDyZOPdSPvIAOZLNzlL9E+snUPN8kQ=
- -----END EC PRIVATE KEY-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2
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=ho7m
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



From ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 12:56:09 2015
From: ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com (Bruno Cichon)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:56:09 +0100
Subject: [Dev] My public ssh key
Message-ID: <566C1969.5070609@gmail.com>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

ecdsa-sha2-nistp521
AAAAE2VjZHNhLXNoYTItbmlzdHA1MjEAAAAIbmlzdHA1MjEAAACFBAA2QERrbC7hxtUTsfPFWblDLUANNz+GBY08qIxePHvNGxfttZJez+Hlsf/NoxViKLfHSq/mLfOLa8D6KDTtg/hRxgHBQX9rgD/jT/Pmbz6pMAQgavIQm0HDS04O4AR6DQykdPcmIloLSgleHKlP7LKPeeNxg6aSqDrs0yYd43JZqNQaYg==
ebrasca at ebrasca-2015-12-12
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2
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=lWvt
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



From pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de  Sat Dec 12 13:17:27 2015
From: pelzflorian at pelzflorian.de (Florian Pelz)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:17:27 +0100
Subject: [Dev] My public key
In-Reply-To: <566C117A.1090300@gmail.com>
References: <566C117A.1090300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566C1E67.6050003@pelzflorian.de>

On 12/12/2015 01:22 PM, Bruno Cichon wrote:
> 
> -----BEGIN EC PRIVATE KEY-----
> Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED
> DEK-Info: AES-128-CBC,FAB7D6F46090E7B29C096C523C9B5600
> 
> X35POGAdP/yIz/6Sh1+Ktd4eaEZyNjBMXCo798yjq3zxYjVPMCX4HIVuCk/ZEH+G
> RYFMbAWa7xXiMreceemt05vUvqAErKeNPhoIiclu9cQ/fiXoAnGO/Nwmlpk2nCvA
> Y/HTWevVWx/NisNHFkZMngLPB5KCgxtvBc0iM5tC3GEieAS4bysubLjQmaD/Jyj7
> xpmk+Wrc4IvbjOddHzT8RS/mb3xEKKSPmxyviQvDePm2FA+mMfVDbTJ//IfRZOEF
> 8GzcrCR/mVhRTqDyZOPdSPvIAOZLNzlL9E+snUPN8kQ=
> -----END EC PRIVATE KEY-----
> 

Have you just posted a "private key"?



From ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 13:42:30 2015
From: ebrasca.ebrasca at gmail.com (Bruno Cichon)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:42:30 +0100
Subject: [Dev] My public key
In-Reply-To: <566C1E67.6050003@pelzflorian.de>
References: <566C117A.1090300@gmail.com> <566C1E67.6050003@pelzflorian.de>
Message-ID: <566C2446.1050402@gmail.com>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

Yes , I just posted private key.
ovruni told me that I am accidentally send private key.
I have created new keys and send public key.

On 12/12/15 14:17, Florian Pelz wrote:
> On 12/12/2015 01:22 PM, Bruno Cichon wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN EC PRIVATE KEY-----
>> Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED
>> DEK-Info: AES-128-CBC,FAB7D6F46090E7B29C096C523C9B5600
>>
>> X35POGAdP/yIz/6Sh1+Ktd4eaEZyNjBMXCo798yjq3zxYjVPMCX4HIVuCk/ZEH+G
>> RYFMbAWa7xXiMreceemt05vUvqAErKeNPhoIiclu9cQ/fiXoAnGO/Nwmlpk2nCvA
>> Y/HTWevVWx/NisNHFkZMngLPB5KCgxtvBc0iM5tC3GEieAS4bysubLjQmaD/Jyj7
>> xpmk+Wrc4IvbjOddHzT8RS/mb3xEKKSPmxyviQvDePm2FA+mMfVDbTJ//IfRZOEF
>> 8GzcrCR/mVhRTqDyZOPdSPvIAOZLNzlL9E+snUPN8kQ=
>> -----END EC PRIVATE KEY-----
>>
>
> Have you just posted a "private key"?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2
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=1PjU
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----




From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 13 04:15:42 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Forward: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must be
	renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
References: <20151208220326.22748.96884@brgbnd28-d.mgt.gandi.net>
Message-ID: <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: "Gandi" <support-renew at gandi.net>
Subject: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must be renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:03:26 -0000
Size: 4475
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151212/c65bc02b/attachment.eml>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec 13 14:35:54 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 11:35:54 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Forward: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must
	be	renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
In-Reply-To: <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20151208220326.22748.96884@brgbnd28-d.mgt.gandi.net>
 <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87oadu2z79.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


please send a way for tiberiu to send you the money and how much is
it...



Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabola.nu
> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
http://endefensadelsl.org
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151213/fd83cc3b/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Sun Dec 13 17:27:12 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:27:12 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Forward: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must be
 renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
In-Reply-To: <87oadu2z79.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <20151208220326.22748.96884@brgbnd28-d.mgt.gandi.net>
 <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87oadu2z79.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <566DAA70.4000108@ceata.org>

On 13.12.2015 16:35, fauno wrote:
> please send a way for tiberiu to send you the money and how much is
> it...

I will need a temporary password of Parabola's account at Gandi so I can
pay with Ceata's credit card. We aren't allowed to transfer money to
individuals without a copyright assignment or employment contract.

Before giving me the temporary password, it would be easier for me to
have the order all set-up by you, only the last step (payment) to be
completed by me.

Also, have you heard of NameSilo.com? They seem ethical in many aspects.

For instance, they offer domain holder privacy at no extra costs. See
`whois tehnoetic.com' (I moved 4 domains tehnoetic.* to NameSilo this
year). They don't have hidden costs and they don't charge more next time
the domain registration expires. They have way better prices than others
(Gandi and GoDaddy included). They even use free JS scripts on their
in-house developed website, only they fail to mark it properly so
LibreJS recognize it as free software (I intend to send them a request
to mark it). However, they have a big minus on privacy running Google
Analytics script on user browser.

But Gandi has this big minus too, they also use Google Analytics in
their pages. And at first look, Gandi runs lots of proprietary JS code
originally developed or modified by them.

Ceata.org and other Ceata domains will probably move to NameSilo too.

Even though your domain registration is expiring, you are allowed by
regulations (and Gandi) to transfer away the domain to other registrars
(like NameSilo.com). For how to do this:

http://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer/out
https://www.namesilo.com/transfer.php

If you decide to transfer your domain to NameSilo, you might want to use
a discount coupon I can create for you if I join the affiliate program
(something that I consider doing, because I like NameSilo).

Either way, I need order + temporary password to complete the order by
paying by credit card Gandi, NameSilo or some other registrar you
decide, if you would like to move away from Gandi.

Thanks,

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Dec 14 15:47:07 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:47:07 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] Overview of the current Arch Linux
	organisation
Message-ID: <877fkhkp6s.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


fyi

-- 
}(:=

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: Allan McRae <allan at archlinux.org>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 13:56:03 +1000
Subject: [arch-dev-public] Overview of the current Arch Linux organisation

Hi all,

The reason I had did roll call was to see if there was any areas that we
could improve.  We have grown as a distribution over the years and holes
in our organisation of certain areas are beginning to show.

So here is my summary of our current status.  Feel free to point out
things I missed.


Packaging: This is the lifeblood of Arch, and we do quite well at
keeping everything up-to-date (although a few packages can have updates
waiting for a long time). One thing the roll call does show is there are
quite a few major packaging areas that are covered by a single person
(desktops, major programming languages, etc).  We should fix these
single points of failure by building a small team around these major
groups (lead by the current packager). This would be a way to bring on
junior packagers (who can initially prepare and commit updates to SVN,
but not build them).

Support: We have good groups of people in charge of moderating the
forums, IRC and the wiki.  These are largely self managing and take on
new members as needed.  We also have a singular bug triage person.

Security: The new security team is doing a great job at monitoring
security issues.  There are three main people there - they will need to
comment on whether they need more man power there. It would also be
great to give some of them packaging rights so they do not need to chase
the devs/TUs to build fixed packages.  This group is also looking at
reproducible builds.

Pacman: Currently, we have two main developers, with a bunch of
occasional submitters. pacman-5.0 is about to be released with hooks!
More man power would be good - we have several major features planned
and lots of tiny ones.

Release Iso:  A new one gets created every month, so things seem to be
working...  I had a quick look at the mailing list at it is fairly
quiet.  I'm not sure if this is because the iso is fairly stable at this
stage, or that it needs some focus.

AUR:  New AUR is up and running.  Again, seems to be progressing well
and I have not hear complaints about lack of manpower...

Infrastructure: This seems an area that needs improved.  We have one
person organising payment for servers, one person doing the sysadmin,
various people in charge of updating the forum, wiki, planet, bug
tracker(?), AUR, projects,...  It looks like there has been no commits
to our website front- and back-end in six months.  Overall, our
infrastructure is an area that needs attention - our servers have had
some consolidation partially completed and more planning done, but this
has progressed nowhere.  We also have space issues due to this.

Devtools/dbscripts:  These seem to be updated as needed. We still do not
have repository signing... The autobuild tool for big rebuilds is
awesome - it will be useful in the future to make this more official and
have the infrastructure hosted on our servers.


Long email!

I think the one glaring area where we need to be more organised is our
infrastructure.  I will bring together the people currently involved
with this area in the next few days so we can get this fixed.

Allan
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151214/a833318a/attachment.sig>

From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Mon Dec 14 20:34:02 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: FS#45859: Makepkg should support whirlpool
In-Reply-To: <1450102653.566ecf7dc4cf6@bugs.archlinux.org>
References: <1450102653.566ecf7dc4cf6@bugs.archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <566F27BA.6040302@openmailbox.org>


FYI.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: FS#45859: Makepkg should support whirlpool
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:17:33 +0000
From: Pacman <bugs at archlinux.org>
To: bugs at archlinux.org

THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE, DO NOT REPLY.

The following task is now closed:

FS#45859 - Makepkg should support whirlpool
User who did this - Allan McRae (Allan)

Reason for closing: Implemented
Additional comments about closing: git commit 9cdfd187

More information can be found at the following URL:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/45859

You are receiving this message because you have requested it from the
Flyspray bugtracking system.  If you did not expect this message or
don't want to receive mails in future, you can change your notification
settings at the URL shown above.



-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 801 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151214/b575c487/attachment.sig>

From quiliro at riseup.net  Tue Dec 15 19:09:33 2015
From: quiliro at riseup.net (quiliro at riseup.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Dev] IRC policy
Message-ID: <7a124896ea4cb5c84abe6968032912f5@riseup.net>

On https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy it states that certain things 
will not be tolerated and that people will be moderated and banned. I 
think this is not the way to make a good community. Preventing some 
people to impose the power to ensalve (sometimes confused with freedom) 
does not involve censorship but self control. I suggest using peer 
presure and conviction instead of facism in IRC to pretect users from 
ensalevement propaganda and trolling.

Greetings,
Quiliro


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Dec 15 20:55:44 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:55:44 -0300
Subject: [Dev] IRC policy
In-Reply-To: <7a124896ea4cb5c84abe6968032912f5@riseup.net>
References: <7a124896ea4cb5c84abe6968032912f5@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87fuz31lf3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

quiliro at riseup.net writes:

> On https://wiki.parabola.nu/IRC_Policy it states that certain things
> will not be tolerated and that people will be moderated and banned. I
> think this is not the way to make a good community. Preventing some
> people to impose the power to ensalve (sometimes confused with
> freedom) does not involve censorship but self control. I suggest using
> peer presure and conviction instead of facism in IRC to pretect users
> from ensalevement propaganda and trolling.

whenever we banned someone, people active at the moment were asked if
they were ok with it.  when this was not the case (aka fauno banned two
assholes), there was a discussion here if it was the right action.  but
of course this is tradition not policy, maybe we should be clear about
what powers operators can exec.

-- 
http://librevpn.org.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151215/18a38e0a/attachment.sig>

From nobody at parabola.nu  Thu Dec 17 15:55:14 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:55:14 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-grsec] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151217155514.322.78191@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-docs 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-docs/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (armv7h): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/armv7h/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-grsec-headers/
* linux-libre-grsec-headers 4.2.6_gnu.201512051918-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-grsec-headers/


The user provided the following additional text:

Upstream updated for 4.3.3.
https://grsecurity.net/test/grsecurity-3.1-4.3.3-201512162141.patch



From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 17 21:46:40 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:46:40 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Forward: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must be
 renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
In-Reply-To: <566DAA70.4000108@ceata.org>
References: <20151208220326.22748.96884@brgbnd28-d.mgt.gandi.net>
 <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87oadu2z79.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566DAA70.4000108@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <56732D40.9090301@ceata.org>

On 13.12.2015 19:27, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> If you decide to transfer your domain to NameSilo, you might want to use
> a discount coupon I can create for you if I join the affiliate program
> (something that I consider doing, because I like NameSilo).
> 
> Either way, I need order + temporary password to complete the order by
> paying by credit card Gandi, NameSilo or some other registrar you
> decide, if you would like to move away from Gandi.

I imagine people will have less time to discuss this in the next weeks.
And the expiration date is Jan 7.

Please decide soon if Parabola stays at or moves from Gandi (to NameSilo
or others) and let's pay for the domain registration renewal.

Thank you,
-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 17 21:50:09 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:50:09 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>

On 09.12.2015 10:09, Andr? Silva wrote:
> F?rum Internacional do Software Livre (FISL) (International Free
> Software Forum) 

Has this proposal been discussed? Please let me know when you have
reached a decision.

Thanks,

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 17 21:52:00 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp>
Message-ID: <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>

On 09.10.2015 23:52, aurelien wrote:
> 
> fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
>>> I propose Ceata applies for a joint Parabola-Ceata stand. We can then
>>> try to raise funds for promotion materials for Parabola (stickers,
>>> buttons, <add you idea here> etc).
>>>
>>> Usually at FOSDEM and other European events, Ceata shares with FSFE
>>> their stand. It would be nice to share one with Parabola now.
>>>
>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/stands.php
>>>
>>> And that we try to send a Parabola hacker (living in Europe; maybe
>>> mtjm?) to Brussels at FOSDEM 2016, to give a talk in the distributions
>>> dev room.
>>
>> anyone?  i think it'll be a good opportunity (though i understand
>> interacting with lots of people can be tiresome :)
> 
> Afaik the closest to Brussel is Xylon, he knows what he speak about, he
> keep the things simple, and he is native english spoken.

We are late for a Parabola booth, but maybe we can still have Parabola
represented at FOSDEM. Will any Parabola hacker be attending FOSDEM 2016?

Thanks,
-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From joseph.graham at gmx.com  Thu Dec 17 22:09:10 2015
From: joseph.graham at gmx.com (Joseph Graham)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:09:10 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <56733286.5010906@gmx.com>



On 17/12/15 21:52, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 09.10.2015 23:52, aurelien wrote:
>> fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
>>
>>> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
>>>> I propose Ceata applies for a joint Parabola-Ceata stand. We can then
>>>> try to raise funds for promotion materials for Parabola (stickers,
>>>> buttons, <add you idea here> etc).
>>>>
>>>> Usually at FOSDEM and other European events, Ceata shares with FSFE
>>>> their stand. It would be nice to share one with Parabola now.
>>>>
>>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/stands.php
>>>>
>>>> And that we try to send a Parabola hacker (living in Europe; maybe
>>>> mtjm?) to Brussels at FOSDEM 2016, to give a talk in the distributions
>>>> dev room.
>>> anyone?  i think it'll be a good opportunity (though i understand
>>> interacting with lots of people can be tiresome :)
>> Afaik the closest to Brussel is Xylon, he knows what he speak about, he
>> keep the things simple, and he is native english spoken.
> We are late for a Parabola booth, but maybe we can still have Parabola
> represented at FOSDEM. Will any Parabola hacker be attending FOSDEM 2016?
>
> Thanks,
Mtjm and Aurelien should go. I have no money and I don't use Parabola 
anymore.


From g4jc at openmailbox.org  Fri Dec 18 13:57:31 2015
From: g4jc at openmailbox.org (Luke)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:57:31 -0500
Subject: [Dev] New Iceweasel blocks unauthorized addons
Message-ID: <567410CB.9010608@openmailbox.org>

Hello,
I use several addons directly from their developer's github pages.
However, Mozilla recently decided to have a mind of it's own and disable
them in the latest Iceweasel v43. They are centralizing and forcing all
developers to go through their identification service over at AMO.

See here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Addons/Extension_Signing


For the non-prism version it may be a good idea to disable this, since
it appears to be contacting Mozilla to verify all of your addons to find
if they are "authorized" Mozilla addons. This would be great for
fingerprinting and meta data.

As of the coming Firefox 44 it will be forced, and there will be no
override (outside of patching our own).

The temporary override for Firefox 43 is /xpinstall.signatures.required
/in about:config./
/
While the idea of signing is good, I feel it is up to the user to verify
trust. GPG signed .xpi are just as good (if not better) than trusting
Mozilla's API signing key./
/
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151218/ab2b30fe/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 801 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151218/ab2b30fe/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sat Dec 19 18:26:45 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:26:45 -0300
Subject: [Dev] New Iceweasel blocks unauthorized addons
In-Reply-To: <567410CB.9010608@openmailbox.org>
References: <567410CB.9010608@openmailbox.org>
Message-ID: <5675A165.6020709@riseup.net>

On 12/18/2015 10:57 AM, Luke wrote:
> Hello,
> I use several addons directly from their developer's github pages.
> However, Mozilla recently decided to have a mind of it's own and disable
> them in the latest Iceweasel v43. They are centralizing and forcing all
> developers to go through their identification service over at AMO.
> 
> See here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Addons/Extension_Signing

Debian devs fixed it now [0][1], therefore it will be solved in
iceweasel-1:43.0.1.deb1-1. I let you know when it's done.

[0]:https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel/news/20151219T070053Z.html
[1]:https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=808228

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151219/c7ebe7a9/attachment.sig>

From nobody at parabola.nu  Sat Dec 19 22:13:51 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:13:51 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [icecat] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151219221351.672.31843@parabola.nu>

jackdon at ruggedinbox.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* icecat 38.4.0_gnu1-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat/
* icecat 38.4.0_gnu1-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat/
* icecat-debug 38.4.0_gnu1-2 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/icecat-debug/
* icecat-debug 38.4.0_gnu1-2 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/icecat-debug/


The user provided the following additional text:

Here is new version at trisquel jenkins: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/icecat/icecat-38.5.0-gnu1.tar.bz2



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec 20 02:18:03 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:18:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Filesystem package update
Message-ID: <87bn9lhnhg.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


fyi, there's some discussion over this so it may not be implemented as
it says 

-- 
:>

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
From: S?bastien Luttringer <seblu at archlinux.org>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 20:43:25 +0100
Subject: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Filesystem package update

Hello,

I'm planning to make a new release of the filesystem package and I would like
to ship the following improvement.

1) Update the nsswitch.conf to default systemd recommandation for hostname
resolution. This will fix?FS#46694 [1].

--- nsswitch.conf???????(revision 256723)
+++ nsswitch.conf???????(working copy)
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@

?publickey: files

-hosts: files dns myhostname
+hosts: files resolve m

Note that nss-resolve will chain-load nss-dns if systemd-resolved.service is
not running.

2) Merge /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin. This may require user intervention
if /usr/local/sbin is not empty. So I'll post an announcement about that.
I'm running my system since September with merged sbin with no problem.

Is there any objections?

Bonus question, if you have opinion on FS#45196 [2], please give them inside
the bug report.

Cheers,


[1]?https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/46694
[2]?https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/45196

-- 
S?bastien "Seblu" Luttringer
https://seblu.net | Twitter: @seblu42
GPG: 0x2072D77A
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151219/52763b38/attachment.sig>

From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Mon Dec 21 17:44:57 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:44:57 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: Re: [itch] Allow filtering games by source code and
	asset licenses (#222)
References: <itchio/itch/issues/222@github.com>
 <itchio/itch/issues/222/166369585@github.com>
Message-ID: <87lh8nn1ba.fsf@abril.charola>

Help me allowing the possibility to make itch.io app provide libre games only for all Free GNU/Linux
systems by commenting on https://github.com/itchio/itch/issues/222 !

El lunes 21 de diciembre del 2015 a las 1139 horas, Amos Wenger escribi?:

> :smiley: 
>
> still in a hurry but taking bites off this:
>   * whitelisting games per-license would be pretty easy, once the API returns that ? I have to warn you, though, not many good GPL games (yet?)
>   * app doesn't know how to compile games btw, FSF is very much "compile everything from source / no binary blobs", but itch does download binary blobs. Someone could always submit a PR though..
>   * speaking of binary blobs, there is one that the app downloads at setup time (during first login, if it's quick enough): https://github.com/itchio/butler ? it's a MIT'd golang app, easy to build from source if one wants to, but atm, itch downloads binaries (built on our CI server: https://ci.itch.ovh/ ? which recipes are accessible here: https://github.com/itchio/ci.itch.ovh/blob/master/src/jobs/itch.yml ? but I'm sure true zealots won't take our word for it :dragon_face:)
>   * for it to be economically viable for us, it would be ideal if people could still purchase/donate libre games (or tools) via the libre version of our app. if that's not against the guidelines, it'd be real cool
>   * another thing I just thought of: if itch is in debian main, aren't people going to install the libre version & think "uh where are all the games" without thinking of checking our own (non-free) APT repo ?
>
> ---
> Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
> https://github.com/itchio/itch/issues/222#issuecomment-166369585


-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Mon Dec 21 20:31:22 2015
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:31:22 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Open marketplace for independent game creators Itch.io is
	willing to work with the FSF (was Fwd: Re: [itch] Allow
	filtering games by source code and asset licenses (#222))
Message-ID: <87io3rmtlx.fsf@abril.charola>

Hello, again!

So, somehow this didn't turned out to be a "damn hippies and their begging for free things" case
were Free Software is relegated to the sphere of nonsense. I was talking with Amos Wenger[1], one of
the two guys behind Itch.io, and he says he want to "give back to the [Free Software] community"
regarding to my proposition of allowing packager maintainers of Free System Distributions to make
the Itch app hide non-libre games from the platform, just as we do with non-free software in our
software repositories!.

They actually allowed developers to specify which software and asset licenses use their games[2],
which makes things easy for the Itch developers and grant our request in pro of software
freedom. Hopefully having Itch as an allied will show game developers that is possible to respect
user's freedom while living out of their work.

As this moment, I want to contact someone at the Free Software Foundation and include them in the
conversation with Amos and Corcoran. I'm don't know about all the details necessary to assure that
Itch app will not violate its user's freedom by accident or omission, and also because only these
two big players can work together and come up with something that will encourage game developers to
release their games as Free Software. How can I effectively contact the FSF?

[1]: https://github.com/itchio/itch/issues/222
[2]: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/7998310/11929120/b4e57b5a-a7d8-11e5-841c-a23341e20ea9.png
-- 
? Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro
https://es.gravatar.com/shackra


From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue Dec 22 02:45:09 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:45:09 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Cross package [armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc]
 marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151222024509.300.1048@parabola.nu>

usuario at airmail.cc wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

gcc 5.3 is out



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue Dec 22 02:47:00 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:47:00 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Cross package [armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi-binutils]
 marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151222024700.300.51807@parabola.nu>

usuario at airmail.cc wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:




The user provided the following additional text:

The version number is up-to-date but there have been other 2 package releases ever since. I don't know if those rebuilds are necessary to use gcc 5.3



From nobody at parabola.nu  Tue Dec 22 03:26:55 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 03:26:55 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [utox-git] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151222032655.322.61673@parabola.nu>

nicolasmaia at tutanota.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* utox-git 0.4.4.r29.g1be8f22-1 [pcr] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/i686/utox-git/
* utox-git 0.4.4.r29.g1be8f22-1 [pcr] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/x86_64/utox-git/


The user provided the following additional text:

See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/utox/



From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec 27 16:23:06 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:23:06 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
Message-ID: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


so, i've talked about this idea for a few years now, but never really
got to do it, until now :P

behold!

http://kiwwwi.com.ar/pastes/parabola.lainventoria.com.ar.conf.html

what it does is serve local files directly and redirect unknown requests
to an arch mirror using the last second of request time as "random"
seed.

so, if we just host the cleaned up database files and our packages,
everything else will be redirected to a public arch mirror.  load is
balanced between mirrors.

requests:

* /core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: must exist in cleaned up format to be
  served locally

* /libre/os/i686/libre.db.tar.gz: exists and is served locally

* /core/os/i686/random_package.pkg.tar.xz: redirected to arch mirror

* /core/os/i686/unfree_package.pkg.tar.xz: never requested because it's
  not on the cleaned up database.

this is just a proof a concept, do not use!  it can be safer, for
example never issuing redirects for database files, so if they're
missing for some reason, people doesn't get an update full of unfree
things.

what do you think?  this would save a lot of mirroring space we could
use for other stuff, but i'm not sure if it qualifies as "fully hosted"
as per FSDG.

-- 
:>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151227/f1afddf9/attachment.sig>

From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Dec 27 17:40:19 2015
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:40:19 +0100
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> (fauno@endefensadelsl.org's
 message of "Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:23:06 -0300")
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87a8ovsscc.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>

> this is just a proof a concept, do not use!  it can be safer, for
> example never issuing redirects for database files, so if they're
> missing for some reason, people doesn't get an update full of unfree
> things.

The same problem occurs when dbscripts fail.

> what do you think?  this would save a lot of mirroring space we could
> use for other stuff, but i'm not sure if it qualifies as "fully hosted"
> as per FSDG.

Providing a redirector pointing to Parabola mirrors is surely ok and
would solve some problems (e.g. users reporting issues for already fixed
problems while using outdated mirrors, mirror providers reporting too
high/too low bandwidth use).
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 818 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151227/cbdafc21/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Dec 27 18:28:17 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:28:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <87a8ovsscc.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87a8ovsscc.fsf@ecthelion.vpn.mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87d1trd9vi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> writes:

>> this is just a proof a concept, do not use!  it can be safer, for
>> example never issuing redirects for database files, so if they're
>> missing for some reason, people doesn't get an update full of unfree
>> things.
>
> The same problem occurs when dbscripts fail.

i fixed this a few months ago

>> what do you think?  this would save a lot of mirroring space we could
>> use for other stuff, but i'm not sure if it qualifies as "fully hosted"
>> as per FSDG.
>
> Providing a redirector pointing to Parabola mirrors is surely ok and
> would solve some problems (e.g. users reporting issues for already fixed
> problems while using outdated mirrors, mirror providers reporting too
> high/too low bandwidth use).

yes, but in that case we still need to host everything and have mirrors,
and this would only be a redirector like debian's.

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151227/2ca67bca/attachment.sig>

From nobody at parabola.nu  Sun Dec 27 18:31:20 2015
From: nobody at parabola.nu (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:31:20 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [python-gnusrss] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20151227183120.364.22330@parabola.nu>

drymer at autistici.org wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* python-gnusrss 0.2.1.7-1 [pcr] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/any/python-gnusrss/


The user provided the following additional text:

Since https://notabug.org/drymer/gnusrss is a mirror of https://daemons.cf/cgit/gnusrss/, maybe you'll have to wait a little bit (less than 12 hours) to see it in notabug.
Thanks



From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 28 00:01:33 2015
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87d1trbfvm.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:23:06 -0500,
fauno wrote:
> http://kiwwwi.com.ar/pastes/parabola.lainventoria.com.ar.conf.html
> 
> what it does is serve local files directly and redirect unknown requests
> to an arch mirror using the last second of request time as "random"
> seed.

The implementation is beautiful in its simplicity!

I don't like directing to Arch mirrors.  They've agreed to offer their
services to Arch, not us.  But, I do think that an automatic
redirector to Parabola mirrors would do a lot to alleviate the
concerns; it seems that a lot of the issues are because the load on
mirrors is so uneven.

-- 
Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Dec 28 00:45:32 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:45:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <87d1trbfvm.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87d1trbfvm.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8760zjcser.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:23:06 -0500,
> fauno wrote:
>> http://kiwwwi.com.ar/pastes/parabola.lainventoria.com.ar.conf.html
>> 
>> what it does is serve local files directly and redirect unknown requests
>> to an arch mirror using the last second of request time as "random"
>> seed.
>
> The implementation is beautiful in its simplicity!

:)

> I don't like directing to Arch mirrors.  They've agreed to offer their
> services to Arch, not us.

yeah, i thought that too, but also thought that once you offer a public
service you can't really decide what people does with it.  and since
we're not going to abuse them, i didn't think it as a real problem in
the end.

we can ask them if they want to be parabola pseudo-mirrors, too.

> But, I do think that an automatic redirector to Parabola mirrors would
> do a lot to alleviate the concerns; it seems that a lot of the issues
> are because the load on mirrors is so uneven.

we can experiment with this config as a mirror redirector but i insist
its uses are more vast than just that :P


-- 
http://librevpn.org.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151227/dd3526eb/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Dec 28 13:27:18 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:27:18 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Forward: [GANDI] parabola.nu expires in 31 days must be
	renewed before 2016-01-07 14:00
In-Reply-To: <56732D40.9090301@ceata.org>
References: <20151208220326.22748.96884@brgbnd28-d.mgt.gandi.net>
 <87lh8zq901.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <87oadu2z79.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <566DAA70.4000108@ceata.org> <56732D40.9090301@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <87fuymbt55.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:

> On 13.12.2015 19:27, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> If you decide to transfer your domain to NameSilo, you might want to use
>> a discount coupon I can create for you if I join the affiliate program
>> (something that I consider doing, because I like NameSilo).
>> 
>> Either way, I need order + temporary password to complete the order by
>> paying by credit card Gandi, NameSilo or some other registrar you
>> decide, if you would like to move away from Gandi.
>
> I imagine people will have less time to discuss this in the next weeks.
> And the expiration date is Jan 7.
>
> Please decide soon if Parabola stays at or moves from Gandi (to NameSilo
> or others) and let's pay for the domain registration renewal.

i just sent tct the gandi credentials

i don't see .nu on the pricing lists of namesilo:  https://www.namesilo.com/pricing.php


-- 
http://lainventoria.com.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151228/ab311f14/attachment.sig>

From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Mon Dec 28 19:29:30 2015
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 13:29:30 -0600
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <8760zjcser.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87d1trbfvm.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <8760zjcser.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <1451330970.1052.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

fauno, is there a way to accomodate arm?
Indeed the snipet is very simple and I think I understand it, but I 
don't actually _know_ nginx config and wouldn't know how to move from 
there.

Le dim. 27 d?c. 2015 ? 18:45, fauno <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> a 
?crit :
> Luke Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> 
>>  I don't like directing to Arch mirrors.  They've agreed to offer 
>> their
>>  services to Arch, not us.
> 
> yeah, i thought that too, but also thought that once you offer a 
> public
> service you can't really decide what people does with it.  and since
> we're not going to abuse them, i didn't think it as a real problem in
> the end.
> 
> we can ask them if they want to be parabola pseudo-mirrors, too.

This would certainly pose a bandwidth usage increase to those mirrors, 
but that doesn't make Parabola liable in any sense. Mirror owners 
should understand that they are serving freely distributable software, 
publicly on the Internet; and they must take the risk of their service 
being used in ways they never imagined, like serving packages for an 
Arch derivative and not Arch. Asking them is a good idea even if only 
to avoid mirrors that would otherwise feel uncomfortable, for the sake 
of politeness, not because we would actually need to apologise.

I don't even think we would be risking mis-servicing our users, would 
we? They could hardly try to identify requests coming from Parabola 
users and ban them.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151228/5eb23b48/attachment.htm>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Dec 28 20:37:25 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:37:25 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mirror redirector!
In-Reply-To: <1451330970.1052.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
References: <87fuyndfo5.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87d1trbfvm.wl-lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <8760zjcser.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <1451330970.1052.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>
Message-ID: <87mvsu9unu.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Isaac David <isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info> writes:

> fauno, is there a way to accomodate arm?
> Indeed the snipet is very simple and I think I understand it, but I 
> don't actually _know_ nginx config and wouldn't know how to move from 
> there.

if arm repositories follow the same repo structure, you could create a
new map block with arm mirrors but the variable would be called
$arm_upstream.

then, from the server block, add something like

    location ~ /.*/os/armv7h/ {
      try_files $uri $uri/ @arm_upstream;
    }

    location @arm_upstream {
      return 302 $arm_upstream$request_uri;
    }

the regex could need some testing though.  if the repo structure is not
the same (iirc de arm-sync script re-structures them) some kind of url
rewriting would need to take place.

> This would certainly pose a bandwidth usage increase to those mirrors, 
> but that doesn't make Parabola liable in any sense. Mirror owners 
> should understand that they are serving freely distributable software, 
> publicly on the Internet; and they must take the risk of their service 
> being used in ways they never imagined, like serving packages for an 
> Arch derivative and not Arch. Asking them is a good idea even if only 
> to avoid mirrors that would otherwise feel uncomfortable, for the sake 
> of politeness, not because we would actually need to apologise.

i think this too

> I don't even think we would be risking mis-servicing our users, would 
> we? They could hardly try to identify requests coming from Parabola 
> users and ban them.

unless we change pacman's user-agent i guess

-- 
selfdandi: https://vqfe4xmhxzi7w2uv.onion.to/
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151228/384dffc4/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Dec 30 15:20:40 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:20:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] sponsorship request
Message-ID: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


Hi! On behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, I would like to request your
sponsorship for a 1-year renewal for our domain name registered at
Gandi, parabola.nu.

Parabola is a project to create and distribute a free as in freedom
version of Arch GNU/Linux, providing only free software.  We started
working on this in 2009 and we haven't stopped since.  Our community is
small but growing!

For being a fully free GNU/Linux distribution, Parabola is endorsed by
the Free Software Foundation:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html

What sets Parabola apart is that it's the most up-to-date and the only
one to support ARM architecture from the list of fully free
distributions.

Similar to Gandi, we take a different approach and we believe in
alternatives. This is why we package only freedom-respecting software in
our operating system, to offer an Arch replacement to users concerned
about their freedom and privacy.

We chose to use the parabola.nu domain name since it's short (it
previously was parabolagnulinux.org!) and the .nu TLD is a play/hack on
GNU.  But this TLD is expensive for us and we've always depended on
people willing to donate the money.

Would you be so kind as to sponsor us with this?  We'll publish a news
post on our main site thanking you :)

We'd appreciate an answer from you before January 10 2016, which is 1
day shy of our domain registration expiration date.

Thanks!

-- 
https://parabola.nu
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/e2714f4d/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Dec 30 15:29:21 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:29:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] coadde's BeagleBone Black shipping status
In-Reply-To: <566934D4.4040101@riseup.net>
References: <566934D4.4040101@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5683F851.9000207@riseup.net>

On 12/10/2015 05:16 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> From: http://www.correo.com.uy/index.asp?H=N&codPag=tyt
> Tracking code: CO988911445RO
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:
> 2015/11/14 12:40
> 
> Place:
> ROMANIA
> 
> Event:
> ADMISSION IN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:
> 2015/11/16 18:01
> 
> Place:
> ROMANIA
> 
> Event:
> PROCESSING IN OFFICE OF ORIGIN
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:
> 2015/11/26 23:45
> 
> Place:
> SPAIN
> 
> Event:
> OUT OF ORIGIN
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:
> 2015/11/28 10:59
> 
> Place:
> AIR CHANGE IN AIRPORT OF MONTEVIDEO, URUGUAY
> 
> Event:
> ARRIVAL OF CONTAINER TO URUGUAY
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/12/28 14:08

Place:
URUGUAY INTERNATIONAL CENTRE

Event:
CONTAINER IN PROCESSING PLANT (MONTEVIDEO)

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/12/29 12:08

Place:
URUGUAY INTERNATIONAL CENTRE

Event:
RECEPTION OF SHIPMENT

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/12/29 18:52

Place:
URUGUAY INTERNATIONAL CENTRE

Event:
SHIPMENT SENT TO COMPTROLLER AGENCY (CUSTOMS)

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/12/29 18:53

Place:
URUGUAY INTERNATIONAL CENTRE

Event:
SHIPMENT RELEASED BY COMPTROLLER AGENCY (CUSTOMS)

-------------------------------------------------------

Date:
2015/12/29 19:13

Place:
URUGUAY INTERNATIONAL CENTRE

Event:
ASSIGNED TO DISTRIBUTION

-------------------------------------------------------

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/7261f574/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Dec 30 17:07:32 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:07:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:

> On 09.12.2015 10:09, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> F?rum Internacional do Software Livre (FISL) (International Free
>> Software Forum) 
>
> Has this proposal been discussed? Please let me know when you have
> reached a decision.

bump!

i think it'd be awesome if we could get presence in fisl!

what's the timeline? i mean

* when's the fisl?

* what's the deadline for asking for a booth?

* etc

-- 
http://endefensadelsl.org
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/dea3efe7/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Dec 30 17:50:14 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:50:14 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>

On 12/30/2015 02:07 PM, fauno wrote:
> * when's the fisl?

It will be made in 12~15th of July [0]

> * what's the deadline for asking for a booth?

As a long time to be made the event, there isn't a FISL17 site with
announcements about it yet, however if i get some info, i let you know.

[0]:http://softwarelivre.org/portal/eventos-de-software-livre-no-brasil/fisl17-forum-internacional-software-livre

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/434c7137/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Dec 30 18:03:54 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:03:54 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

> On 12/30/2015 02:07 PM, fauno wrote:
>> * when's the fisl?
>
> It will be made in 12~15th of July [0]
>
>> * what's the deadline for asking for a booth?
>
> As a long time to be made the event, there isn't a FISL17 site with
> announcements about it yet, however if i get some info, i let you know.

can you make a table with expenses and descriptions?

-- 
http://partidopirata.com.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/5a7b454b/attachment.sig>

From fturco at fastmail.fm  Wed Dec 30 19:33:24 2015
From: fturco at fastmail.fm (Francesco Turco)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Dev] sponsorship request
In-Reply-To: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <1451504004.3156075.479413386.5D32877C@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 16:20, fauno wrote:
> Hi! On behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, I would like to request your
> sponsorship for a 1-year renewal for our domain name registered at
> Gandi, parabola.nu.

According to https://www.gandi.net/domain/price/detail/nu/ a .nu domain
renewal costs 29,25 euros (including taxes). If so I am willing to make
the required donation for the benefit of my favourite GNU/Linux
distribution! :)

--
http://fturco.net/


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Wed Dec 30 22:38:39 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:38:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>

On 12/30/2015 03:03 PM, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
> 
>> On 12/30/2015 02:07 PM, fauno wrote:
>>> * when's the fisl?
>>
>> It will be made in 12~15th of July [0]
>>
>>> * what's the deadline for asking for a booth?
>>
>> As a long time to be made the event, there isn't a FISL17 site with
>> announcements about it yet, however if i get some info, i let you know.
> 
> can you make a table with expenses and descriptions?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Description				| Currency	| Amount
-----------------------------------------------------------------
ThinkPad T61 *				| USD		| 178 [0]
Round trip ticket **			| USD		| 167 [1]
Payments concerning the travel ***	| USD		| 200
Stand to sponsoring FISL ****		| USD		| ?
-----------------------------------------------------------------

* Since i use just desktop computers, i need a one to make a conference
in Portuguese, show to the public our Parabola's slide presentation
based on community contribution from our wiki [2]
There's a beta slide presentation created by coadde from LibreOffice
Impress [3] based on contribution made from the wiki, it's incomplete
and need more work, also i've plans to translate it to Portuguese soon.
crazytoon said me that could create more cartoons to improve
it. In addition, i would make a demonstration to the public how to
maintain packages in Parabola to motives new hackers participate on our
distro and demonstrate to the public how to Parabola works.

** I'm brazilian and FISL is a brazilian event, however i'm living
outside of my country (now i'm in Uruguay and sometimes in Argentina),
then i need tickets to travel to Porto Alegre. Since Montevideo is
neared than Buenos Aires to travel to Porto Alegre, i prefer travel from
Montevideo, and the round trip ticket costs 167 dollars.

*** It's for hotel, food, etc. I don't know if hotel is needed for this
case since FISL give a gratis place to stay there thought, i need get
info about it, maybe we could ask to Alexandre Oliva who participated on
previous FISL events. Extra money after the event must come back to our
fund again. Bills, receipts & tickets must be scanned and uploaded to
Donations page [4] for better transparency.

**** It could be a Parabola+Ceata+GNU Linux-libre+GNU Solidario stand to
sponsoring FISL. We need get info about it when Associa??o Software
Livre.Org will open the stand vacancy for the FISL17 event.

[0]:http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-592786485-notebook-ibm-thinkpaq-t61-core-2-duo-2ghz-1gb-ram-160gb-15-_JM
[1]:http://www.ega.com.uy/horarios_tarifas.php?origen=Montevideo&destinoBuscado=&destino=Porto+Alegre
[2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Presentation
[3]:https://repo.parabola.nu/sources/parabola_presentation-beta.odp
[4]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations#Bills.2C_Receipts_.26_Tickets

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151230/5bc0259a/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 15:44:13 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:44:13 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56733286.5010906@gmx.com>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>

On 18.12.2015 00:09, Joseph Graham wrote:
> On 17/12/15 21:52, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> We are late for a Parabola booth, but maybe we can still have Parabola
>> represented at FOSDEM. Will any Parabola hacker be attending FOSDEM 2016?

> Mtjm and Aurelien should go. I have no money and I don't use Parabola
> anymore.

At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?

Traditionally, Ceata participates at FSFE booth, but we didn't ask them
yet because we wanted to join with you guys and help promote Parabola.

Do you know if Arch is going to have a booth at FOSDEM? If so, can you
ask them to accept one Ceata member or Parabola hacker to be all times
at their booth, showcasing Parabola on a T400 laptop? Tehnoetic can
provide one. And maybe in January we can use a small amount of the money
in the Parabola fund at Ceata to make Parabola stickers to raise
donations for Parabola at FOSDEM?

Thanks,
-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 16:14:06 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:14:06 +0200
Subject: [Dev] sponsorship request
In-Reply-To: <1451504004.3156075.479413386.5D32877C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <1451504004.3156075.479413386.5D32877C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <5685544E.8010405@ceata.org>

On 30.12.2015 21:33, Francesco Turco wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 16:20, fauno wrote:
>> Hi! On behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, I would like to request your
>> sponsorship for a 1-year renewal for our domain name registered at
>> Gandi, parabola.nu.
> 
> According to https://www.gandi.net/domain/price/detail/nu/ a .nu domain
> renewal costs 29,25 euros (including taxes). If so I am willing to make
> the required donation for the benefit of my favourite GNU/Linux
> distribution! :)

Your donation to Parabola is most welcome, Francesco!

https://wiki.parabola.nu/Donations

However, it's a good practice to have Parabola apply for as many funding
sources as possible.

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu Dec 31 16:14:16 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:14:16 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <87wpru4muf.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:

> On 18.12.2015 00:09, Joseph Graham wrote:
>> On 17/12/15 21:52, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>> We are late for a Parabola booth, but maybe we can still have Parabola
>>> represented at FOSDEM. Will any Parabola hacker be attending FOSDEM 2016?
>
>> Mtjm and Aurelien should go. I have no money and I don't use Parabola
>> anymore.
>
> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?

i'm willing to go if someone pays my plane tickets :P

> Traditionally, Ceata participates at FSFE booth, but we didn't ask them
> yet because we wanted to join with you guys and help promote Parabola.

:D

> Do you know if Arch is going to have a booth at FOSDEM? If so, can you
> ask them to accept one Ceata member or Parabola hacker to be all times
> at their booth, showcasing Parabola on a T400 laptop? Tehnoetic can

they usually do, but we don't have much contact with them.  i'll be
reading arch-dev-public@ in case they announce something.

> provide one. And maybe in January we can use a small amount of the money
> in the Parabola fund at Ceata to make Parabola stickers to raise
> donations for Parabola at FOSDEM?

+1 to stickers.  i made some with only the parabola logo but they don't
look nice because they're too small.  maybe something saying parabola or
some slogan?

http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar/Archivo:A3_ParabolaStickers.svg

-- 
 D
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/9a589503/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 16:31:28 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:31:28 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <87wpru4muf.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
 <87wpru4muf.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56855860.7040803@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 18:14, fauno wrote:
> Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <tct at ceata.org> writes:
> 
>> On 18.12.2015 00:09, Joseph Graham wrote:
>>> On 17/12/15 21:52, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>>> We are late for a Parabola booth, but maybe we can still have Parabola
>>>> represented at FOSDEM. Will any Parabola hacker be attending FOSDEM 2016?
>>
>>> Mtjm and Aurelien should go. I have no money and I don't use Parabola
>>> anymore.
>>
>> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
>> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
>> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?
> 
> i'm willing to go if someone pays my plane tickets :P

;-) I know it's a joke, but it would be really nice to meet you in
person. We probably don't have enough money in the Parabola Fund at
Ceata to pay for a Transatlantic flight (maybe we can find a company in
Argentina to offer sponsorship to fauno), but a round-trip ticket from
Warsaw (Poland, where mtjm lives) to Brussels is less than ?100 EUR. I
don't know about Corsica (where aurelien lives). And maybe we can
arrange hosting through couch surfing.

>> Do you know if Arch is going to have a booth at FOSDEM? If so, can you
>> ask them to accept one Ceata member or Parabola hacker to be all times
>> at their booth, showcasing Parabola on a T400 laptop? Tehnoetic can
> 
> they usually do, but we don't have much contact with them.  i'll be
> reading arch-dev-public@ in case they announce something.

You can be proactive and ask, if it's not considered to be too invasive.

>> provide one. And maybe in January we can use a small amount of the money
>> in the Parabola fund at Ceata to make Parabola stickers to raise
>> donations for Parabola at FOSDEM?
> 
> +1 to stickers.  i made some with only the parabola logo but they don't
> look nice because they're too small.  maybe something saying parabola or
> some slogan?
> 
> http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar/Archivo:A3_ParabolaStickers.svg

If we use this file, it will be hard to find a shop in Bucharest
(Romania) which can do the cutting of the edges of the logos. But I will
ask around.

Thanks,

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 16:39:50 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:39:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <56855A56.5040301@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 12:44 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?

I could ask to Jorginho if he could go to FOSDEM, he's living in Galicia.


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/79ab7b43/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 16:58:38 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:58:38 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56855A56.5040301@riseup.net>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
 <56855A56.5040301@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56855EBE.20708@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 18:39, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 12/31/2015 12:44 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
>> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
>> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?
> 
> I could ask to Jorginho if he could go to FOSDEM, he's living in Galicia.

Please do. I searched for flights, the cheapest with one stop in Madrid
is around ?150 EUR.

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From fturco at fastmail.fm  Thu Dec 31 17:05:54 2015
From: fturco at fastmail.fm (Francesco Turco)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Dev] sponsorship request
In-Reply-To: <5685544E.8010405@ceata.org>
References: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <1451504004.3156075.479413386.5D32877C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <5685544E.8010405@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <1451581554.546521.480018394.1AD6DB5F@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015, at 17:14, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 30.12.2015 21:33, Francesco Turco wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 16:20, fauno wrote:
> >> Hi! On behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, I would like to request your
> >> sponsorship for a 1-year renewal for our domain name registered at
> >> Gandi, parabola.nu.
> > 
> > According to https://www.gandi.net/domain/price/detail/nu/ a .nu domain
> > renewal costs 29,25 euros (including taxes). If so I am willing to make
> > the required donation for the benefit of my favourite GNU/Linux
> > distribution! :)
> 
> Your donation to Parabola is most welcome, Francesco!

I just made a 30 ? donation to Parabola for the renewal of its domain
name. Thanks for what you're doing for the development of free software.
Happy new year!

--
http://fturco.net/


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 17:15:24 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 19:15:24 +0200
Subject: [Dev] sponsorship request
In-Reply-To: <1451581554.546521.480018394.1AD6DB5F@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <87bn986jzr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <1451504004.3156075.479413386.5D32877C@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <5685544E.8010405@ceata.org>
 <1451581554.546521.480018394.1AD6DB5F@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <568562AC.6020206@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 19:05, Francesco Turco wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015, at 17:14, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> On 30.12.2015 21:33, Francesco Turco wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015, at 16:20, fauno wrote:
>>>> Hi! On behalf of Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, I would like to request your
>>>> sponsorship for a 1-year renewal for our domain name registered at
>>>> Gandi, parabola.nu.
>>>
>>> According to https://www.gandi.net/domain/price/detail/nu/ a .nu domain
>>> renewal costs 29,25 euros (including taxes). If so I am willing to make
>>> the required donation for the benefit of my favourite GNU/Linux
>>> distribution! :)
>>
>> Your donation to Parabola is most welcome, Francesco!
> 
> I just made a 30 ? donation to Parabola for the renewal of its domain
> name. Thanks for what you're doing for the development of free software.

Just sent fauno the payment confirmation. Congratulations on your
contribution, Francesco!

> Happy new year!

Happy GNU Year! :-D

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 19:09:34 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:09:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net>

On 12/30/2015 07:38 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Description				| Currency	| Amount
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ThinkPad T61 *			| USD		| 178 [0]
> Round trip ticket **			| USD		| 167 [1]
> Payments concerning the travel ***	| USD		| 200
> Stand to sponsoring FISL ****		| USD		| ?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

I have great news about it, because i got a cheapest way to avoid some
extra expenses...

> * Since i use just desktop computers, i need a one to make a conference
> in Portuguese, show to the public our Parabola's slide presentation
> based on community contribution from our wiki [2]
> There's a beta slide presentation created by coadde from LibreOffice
> Impress [3] based on contribution made from the wiki, it's incomplete
> and need more work, also i've plans to translate it to Portuguese soon.
> crazytoon said me that could create more cartoons to improve
> it. In addition, i would make a demonstration to the public how to
> maintain packages in Parabola to motives new hackers participate on our
> distro and demonstrate to the public how to Parabola works.

Maybe we could ask someone to lend us a laptop for this event and avoid
this expense. fauno, could you looking for someone that could help us on
it in CABA?

> ** I'm brazilian and FISL is a brazilian event, however i'm living
> outside of my country (now i'm in Uruguay and sometimes in Argentina),
> then i need tickets to travel to Porto Alegre. Since Montevideo is
> neared than Buenos Aires to travel to Porto Alegre, i prefer travel from
> Montevideo, and the round trip ticket costs 167 dollars.

Some hours ago, i had a idea to avoid this expensive ticket since i have
relatives living in Santana do Livramento (a city in the state of Rio
Grande do Sul in Brazil).
That city is located in the same state than Porto Alegre where FISL
takes place every year, also Santana do Livramento is along the border
with the city of Rivera, Uruguay.
My recent suggestion is pay just national tickets with stopover
(Montevideo/Rivera in Uruguay and Santana do Livramento/Porto Alegre in
Brazil), so we could avoid pay international taxes trying to keep reduce
expenditure to a minimum (USD 96 in comparison to USD 167).
In that stopover interval, i could stay in my relative's house until the
next trip (Santana do Livramento to Porto Alegre).

> *** It's for hotel, food, etc. I don't know if hotel is needed for this
> case since FISL give a gratis place to stay there thought, i need get
> info about it, maybe we could ask to Alexandre Oliva who participated on
> previous FISL events. Extra money after the event must come back to our
> fund again. Bills, receipts & tickets must be scanned and uploaded to
> Donations page [4] for better transparency.

I found a link about a hosting guide that was posted for FISL16 [0]. It
could be useful get info to reduce expenditure in hosting (eg. if there
aren't gratis places available to stay, Lido Hotel [1] is a good option
since it costs around USD 30 daily, then USD 150 is enough thought).

Therefore, it's the updated table with expenses and descriptions to be
considered to reach a better consensus, what do you think?

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Description				| Currency	| Amount
-----------------------------------------------------------------
ThinkPad T61				| USD		| borrowed
Round trip ticket			| USD		| 96 [2][3]
Payments concerning the travel		| USD		| 150
Stand to sponsoring FISL		| USD		| ?
-----------------------------------------------------------------

[0]:http://softwarelivre.org/fisl16/noticias/hosting-guide-fisl16
[1]:http://www.lidohotel.com.br/
[2]:http://www.turil.com.uy/tarifas.php
[3]:http://www.buscaonibus.com.br/horario/porto-alegre/santana-do-livramento


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/d7415170/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu Dec 31 19:16:32 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:16:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Description				| Currency	| Amount
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ThinkPad T61				| USD		| borrowed
> Round trip ticket			| USD		| 96 [2][3]
> Payments concerning the travel		| USD		| 150
> Stand to sponsoring FISL		| USD		| ?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

is food cheap in sao paulo?

-- 
http://partidopirata.com.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/c1f80b6c/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 19:26:13 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:26:13 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <56858155.3090401@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 04:16 PM, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Description				| Currency	| Amount
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> ThinkPad T61				| USD		| borrowed
>> Round trip ticket			| USD		| 96 [2][3]
>> Payments concerning the travel		| USD		| 150
>> Stand to sponsoring FISL		| USD		| ?
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> is food cheap in sao paulo?

Well, FISL is located in Porto Alegre, not S?o Paulo :D
However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
:P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
money :)

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/2cd1fa9b/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 19:31:00 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:31:00 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56858155.3090401@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56858274.8090300@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 04:26 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Well, FISL is located in Porto Alegre, not S?o Paulo :D
> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
> money :)

I think that my hometown (S?o Paulo) is around 2 times more expensive
than Porto Alegre :P

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/1e827ff3/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 19:32:39 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:32:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <56855EBE.20708@ceata.org>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
 <56855A56.5040301@riseup.net> <56855EBE.20708@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <568582D7.5080608@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 01:58 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 31.12.2015 18:39, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 12/31/2015 12:44 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
>>> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
>>> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?
>>
>> I could ask to Jorginho if he could go to FOSDEM, he's living in Galicia.
> 
> Please do. I searched for flights, the cheapest with one stop in Madrid
> is around ?150 EUR.

Recently, i talked to Jorginho about it and he would like to talk with
more time tomorrow because he is interested to participate on it,
however he has a doubt, he has problems to talk english language, could
be it a problem?

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/6a1fccaf/attachment.sig>

From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Thu Dec 31 19:33:30 2015
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (fauno)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:33:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56858155.3090401@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

> On 12/31/2015 04:16 PM, fauno wrote:
>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Description				| Currency	| Amount
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ThinkPad T61				| USD		| borrowed
>>> Round trip ticket			| USD		| 96 [2][3]
>>> Payments concerning the travel		| USD		| 150
>>> Stand to sponsoring FISL		| USD		| ?
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> is food cheap in sao paulo?
>
> Well, FISL is located in Porto Alegre, not S?o Paulo :D

haha i read it and wrote something else :P

> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
> money :)

no no, please make it part of your expenses!


btw i think it would be great to be part of fisl.  what do others think?


-- 
http://partidopirata.com.ar
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 584 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/4cfc6212/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 19:54:06 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:54:06 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net> <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <568587DE.2050701@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 04:33 PM, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
> 
>> On 12/31/2015 04:16 PM, fauno wrote:
>>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Description				| Currency	| Amount
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ThinkPad T61				| USD		| borrowed
>>>> Round trip ticket			| USD		| 96 [2][3]
>>>> Payments concerning the travel		| USD		| 150
>>>> Stand to sponsoring FISL		| USD		| ?
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> is food cheap in sao paulo?
>>
>> Well, FISL is located in Porto Alegre, not S?o Paulo :D
> 
> haha i read it and wrote something else :P

haha, maybe it could have been a confusion between my hometown (S?o
Paulo), Porto Alegre (where is located the event) and all the cities i
mentioned earlier, then it was all in a tangle of things :P

>> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
>> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
>> money :)
> 
> no no, please make it part of your expenses!

ok, i thankful you for it, however if there are expensive points of this
budget, don't worry to reduce it ok :)

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/888a9941/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 20:01:16 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:01:16 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net> <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5685898C.4060705@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 21:33, fauno wrote:
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
>> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
>> money :)
> 
> no no, please make it part of your expenses!

Guys, please remember we need bills for every expense and for food it's
sometimes hard to get a bill if you buy it from an impromptu store (this
is usually the case at events) or even when you go in a pub or
restaurant, it's harder to get an individual bill for the things only
you ordered if you go with a group (and usually this is the case at events).

For the approved expenses you make on-site and for which you have bills,
you need to pay upfront from your own pocket and afterwards be refunded
by Ceata using PayPal. This involves two PayPal exchange rates (from RON
to USD and from USD to your currency), and possibly transfer and
withdraw fees.

Also, for train/airplane tickets, please contact me first. Don't buy the
tickets yourselves. The best accounting practice is for me to pay online
with Ceata's credit card, once the passenger details have been filled by
you.

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 20:09:16 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:09:16 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FOSDEM
In-Reply-To: <568582D7.5080608@riseup.net>
References: <560BA188.8000204@ceata.org> <87vbagc4z4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87r3l3lq7d.fsf@hackers.camp> <56732E80.4030306@ceata.org>
 <56733286.5010906@gmx.com> <56854D4D.2050101@ceata.org>
 <56855A56.5040301@riseup.net> <56855EBE.20708@ceata.org>
 <568582D7.5080608@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56858B6C.5020106@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 21:32, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 12/31/2015 01:58 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> On 31.12.2015 18:39, Andr? Silva wrote:
>>> On 12/31/2015 12:44 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>>> At least three Ceata members will be attending FOSDEM, to happen in the
>>>> last days of January 2016. Will any Parabola hacker be attending at
>>>> Europe's biggest free software event, in Brussels?
>>>
>>> I could ask to Jorginho if he could go to FOSDEM, he's living in Galicia.
>>
>> Please do. I searched for flights, the cheapest with one stop in Madrid
>> is around ?150 EUR.
> 
> Recently, i talked to Jorginho about it and he would like to talk with
> more time tomorrow because he is interested to participate on it,
> however he has a doubt, he has problems to talk english language, could
> be it a problem?

Maybe. It's an English-speaking event and you want your representative
to be able to talk about Parabola with every visitor walking by the
booth who asks (in English) about Parabola.

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 20:12:51 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:12:51 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <56858C43.9010903@ceata.org>

On 09.12.2015 10:09, Andr? Silva wrote:
> F?rum Internacional do Software Livre (FISL) (International Free
> Software Forum) is considered one of the world?s largest free software
> events sponsored by Associa??o Software Livre.Org (Free Software
> Association) in my native country Brazil. It takes place every year in
> Porto Alegre, the capital of Rio Grande Do Sul, the southernmost state
> of Brazil. Associa??o Software Livre.Org is a Brazilian NGO that, among
> other goals, seeks the promotion and adoption of free software.

I'm curious, why FISL*16* took place in 20*15* and FISL*17* will take
place in 20*16*? I find it confusing. :-)

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 20:44:42 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:44:42 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5685898C.4060705@ceata.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net> <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5685898C.4060705@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <568593BA.9070607@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 05:01 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 31.12.2015 21:33, fauno wrote:
>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
>>> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
>>> money :)
>>
>> no no, please make it part of your expenses!
> 
> Guys, please remember we need bills for every expense and for food it's
> sometimes hard to get a bill if you buy it from an impromptu store (this
> is usually the case at events) or even when you go in a pub or
> restaurant, it's harder to get an individual bill for the things only
> you ordered if you go with a group (and usually this is the case at events).

yes, you're right, but could we ask or looking for places where could
give us individual bills for food expenses?

> For the approved expenses you make on-site and for which you have bills,
> you need to pay upfront from your own pocket and afterwards be refunded
> by Ceata using PayPal. This involves two PayPal exchange rates (from RON
> to USD and from USD to your currency), and possibly transfer and
> withdraw fees.

ok, so we have to keep in mind...

> Also, for train/airplane tickets, please contact me first. Don't buy the
> tickets yourselves. The best accounting practice is for me to pay online
> with Ceata's credit card, once the passenger details have been filled by
> you.

Turil [0] (Uruguayan travels) and Ouro e Prata [1] (Brazilian travels)
accepts pay online with credit card [0][1]

[0]:http://www.turil.com.uy/
[1]:http://www.viacaoouroeprata.com.br/


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/d8cd0723/attachment.sig>

From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 20:46:03 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:46:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <56858C43.9010903@ceata.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56858C43.9010903@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <5685940B.5050602@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 05:12 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 09.12.2015 10:09, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> F?rum Internacional do Software Livre (FISL) (International Free
>> Software Forum) is considered one of the world?s largest free software
>> events sponsored by Associa??o Software Livre.Org (Free Software
>> Association) in my native country Brazil. It takes place every year in
>> Porto Alegre, the capital of Rio Grande Do Sul, the southernmost state
>> of Brazil. Associa??o Software Livre.Org is a Brazilian NGO that, among
>> other goals, seeks the promotion and adoption of free software.
> 
> I'm curious, why FISL*16* took place in 20*15* and FISL*17* will take
> place in 20*16*? I find it confusing. :-)

haha, you're right, it sounds curious :P


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/7a1cbef7/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 20:47:41 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:47:41 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <568593BA.9070607@riseup.net>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net> <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5685898C.4060705@ceata.org> <568593BA.9070607@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5685946D.60406@ceata.org>

On 31.12.2015 22:44, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 12/31/2015 05:01 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>> On 31.12.2015 21:33, fauno wrote:
>>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>>> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
>>>> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
>>>> money :)
>>>
>>> no no, please make it part of your expenses!
>>
>> Guys, please remember we need bills for every expense and for food it's
>> sometimes hard to get a bill if you buy it from an impromptu store (this
>> is usually the case at events) or even when you go in a pub or
>> restaurant, it's harder to get an individual bill for the things only
>> you ordered if you go with a group (and usually this is the case at events).
> 
> yes, you're right, but could we ask or looking for places where could
> give us individual bills for food expenses?

Absolutely. If you ask them beforehand, they will know to issue and
individual for you.

>> For the approved expenses you make on-site and for which you have bills,
>> you need to pay upfront from your own pocket and afterwards be refunded
>> by Ceata using PayPal. This involves two PayPal exchange rates (from RON
>> to USD and from USD to your currency), and possibly transfer and
>> withdraw fees.
> 
> ok, so we have to keep in mind...

Thank you.

>> Also, for train/airplane tickets, please contact me first. Don't buy the
>> tickets yourselves. The best accounting practice is for me to pay online
>> with Ceata's credit card, once the passenger details have been filled by
>> you.
> 
> Turil [0] (Uruguayan travels) and Ouro e Prata [1] (Brazilian travels)
> accepts pay online with credit card [0][1]
> 
> [0]:http://www.turil.com.uy/
> [1]:http://www.viacaoouroeprata.com.br/

That's great!

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri


From emulatorman at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 21:16:31 2015
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:16:31 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Ideas for Parabola at FISL17
In-Reply-To: <5685946D.60406@ceata.org>
References: <5667E1D0.8070104@riseup.net> <56732E11.4020704@ceata.org>
 <871ta37tm3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56841956.9030705@riseup.net>
 <87poxn6cfp.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <56845CEF.4000302@riseup.net>
 <56857D6E.2010201@riseup.net> <87twmy4een.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <56858155.3090401@riseup.net> <87r3i24dmd.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5685898C.4060705@ceata.org> <568593BA.9070607@riseup.net>
 <5685946D.60406@ceata.org>
Message-ID: <56859B2F.7010904@riseup.net>

On 12/31/2015 05:47 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
> On 31.12.2015 22:44, Andr? Silva wrote:
>> On 12/31/2015 05:01 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote:
>>> On 31.12.2015 21:33, fauno wrote:
>>>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:
>>>>> However, I can say that my hometown is more expensive than Porto Alegre
>>>>> :P but don't worry, i'm not eating much, therefore i don't need a lot of
>>>>> money :)
>>>>
>>>> no no, please make it part of your expenses!
>>>
>>> Guys, please remember we need bills for every expense and for food it's
>>> sometimes hard to get a bill if you buy it from an impromptu store (this
>>> is usually the case at events) or even when you go in a pub or
>>> restaurant, it's harder to get an individual bill for the things only
>>> you ordered if you go with a group (and usually this is the case at events).
>>
>> yes, you're right, but could we ask or looking for places where could
>> give us individual bills for food expenses?
> 
> Absolutely. If you ask them beforehand, they will know to issue and
> individual for you.
> 
>>> For the approved expenses you make on-site and for which you have bills,
>>> you need to pay upfront from your own pocket and afterwards be refunded
>>> by Ceata using PayPal. This involves two PayPal exchange rates (from RON
>>> to USD and from USD to your currency), and possibly transfer and
>>> withdraw fees.
>>
>> ok, so we have to keep in mind...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>>> Also, for train/airplane tickets, please contact me first. Don't buy the
>>> tickets yourselves. The best accounting practice is for me to pay online
>>> with Ceata's credit card, once the passenger details have been filled by
>>> you.
>>
>> Turil [0] (Uruguayan travels) and Ouro e Prata [1] (Brazilian travels)
>> accepts pay online with credit card [0][1]
>>
>> [0]:http://www.turil.com.uy/
>> [1]:http://www.viacaoouroeprata.com.br/
> 
> That's great!

Also, Lido Hotel [0] accepts pay online with credit card, then that's a
great news too!

[0]:http://www.lidohotel.com.br/


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 819 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/1c471318/attachment.sig>

From coadde at riseup.net  Thu Dec 31 23:15:56 2015
From: coadde at riseup.net (coadde)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 23:15:56 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Thankful for the BeagleBone Black donation!
Message-ID: <5685B72C.4060707@riseup.net>

Hi guys, i would let you know that received the BeagleBone Black in
perfect conditions and now it's ready to begin the GRUB ARMv7 porting
(i'll upload some photos about it soon to the wiki ;)).

I would thankful you for all support and donations to continue our
Parabola ARMv7 version!!!

cheers!

coadde

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 801 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
URL: <https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/attachments/20151231/b65cbd83/attachment.sig>

From tct at ceata.org  Thu Dec 31 23:25:07 2015
From: tct at ceata.org (Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 01:25:07 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Thankful for the BeagleBone Black donation!
In-Reply-To: <5685B72C.4060707@riseup.net>
References: <5685B72C.4060707@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5685B953.2000505@ceata.org>

On 01.01.2016 01:15, coadde wrote:
> Hi guys, i would let you know that received the BeagleBone Black in
> perfect conditions and now it's ready to begin the GRUB ARMv7 porting
> (i'll upload some photos about it soon to the wiki ;)).
> 
> I would thankful you for all support and donations to continue our
> Parabola ARMv7 version!!!

I am glad that even after much delay (1 month) generated by the Spanish
mail services, you now have it. I wish you a productive hacking sprint.

Happy GNU Year everyone!

-- 
Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic | Pre?edinte, Funda?ia Ceata
GPG: 900CECE2 | Tel: +40-761-810-100

Sus?ii libertatea artelor ?i tehnologiilor?
?nscrie-te ca membru: http://ceata.org/inscrieri