From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sat Mar  1 19:36:22 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:36:22 -0300
Subject: [Dev] 99% libre meme
Message-ID: <87txbhpv7t.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


hi!  there's a widely used meme here in argentina that says "it's ok to
install and recommend convenience-focused distros because they're 99%
libre", followed by "...since we can't get rid of that 1% just yet".

since i've recently read it went up to 99.98% i decided to check how
much this "proportion of unfreedomness" is.

we discussed this on #parabola and for archlinux the proportion never
went more than 97%, for instance:

* 5714 packages from arch provided by parabola
* 564 packages from arch being blacklisted from parabola

From the latter:

* 201 packages without libre replacements
* 33 packages removed or replaced because of branding issues
* 52 packages removed or replaced because they recommend unfree software
  or services

so:

* 479 packages blacklisted for being unfree themselves (not branding nor
  recommendations)

gives:

479 * 100 / (479 + 5714) = 7.72

so according to this meme the correct thing to say about archlinux is
that "it's 92.28% libre" :)


would it be interesting for other distros to debunk this meme?

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar  2 20:49:59 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] parabola.nu redirect to parabolagnulinux.org
In-Reply-To: <87haapep1q.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87haapep1q.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87k3ccqqa0.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Tue, 03 Dec 2013 14:02:09 -0500,
Luke T. Shumaker wrote:
> I was just thinking that it would be nice to have parabola.nu serve up
> the main site.  The easiest "immediate" thing to do is just set up a redirect.
> 
> parabola.nu currently redirects to the wiki, prior to that, it served
> some directory and was mostly neglected.

Bump.


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Mar  2 20:52:52 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 17:52:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] parabola.nu redirect to parabolagnulinux.org
In-Reply-To: <87k3ccqqa0.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87haapep1q.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <87k3ccqqa0.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87bnxoxqzf.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

"Luke T. Shumaker" <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> At Tue, 03 Dec 2013 14:02:09 -0500,
> Luke T. Shumaker wrote:
>> I was just thinking that it would be nice to have parabola.nu serve up
>> the main site.  The easiest "immediate" thing to do is just set up a redirect.
>> 
>> parabola.nu currently redirects to the wiki, prior to that, it served
>> some directory and was mostly neglected.
>
> Bump.

i don't think i ever saw this email before though it's on my inbox.
maybe i marked it as read by accident.

anyway, i think it's a good idea, since the status.net idea for the
parabola community never progressed and we could use a subdomain for
that if we ever want to.

-- 
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From parabola at leth.cc  Sun Mar  2 21:09:01 2014
From: parabola at leth.cc (parabola at leth.cc)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 22:09:01 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requesting pacman-mirrorlist-libre inclusion for
	parabola.leth.cc
Message-ID: <yoqwqgcqpea.fsf@zhuangzi.viktorlindberg.net>


I've set up a mirror at parabola.leth.cc and then domain name was
configured a 3 days ago so it should be propagated around the world by
now.

It's updated once every 24 hours using rsync, i can easily change this
if there is a better practice.

You are free to include this server in pacman-mirrorlist-libre if you
wish.


Best regards
leth


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Mar  2 21:29:09 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 18:29:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] gpg keys missing on hackers.git
In-Reply-To: <87fvn9vs2p.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <1393145349.1557.2.camel@sharviza>
 <87fvn9vs2p.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87zjl8waqi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:

> i can't find your key on pool.sks-keyservers.net

i just pushed drtan's gpg and ssh keys to hackers.git and released the
tarball for parabola-keyring-2014.03.02, could someone release a new
parabola-keyring?  i don't have my build env here :)
-- 
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Mar  3 04:02:58 2014
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 02:02:58 -0200
Subject: [Dev] gpg keys missing on hackers.git
In-Reply-To: <87zjl8waqi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <1393145349.1557.2.camel@sharviza>
 <87fvn9vs2p.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87zjl8waqi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <5313FEF2.8070009@riseup.net>

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On 03/02/2014 07:29 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>> i can't find your key on pool.sks-keyservers.net
> 
> i just pushed drtan's gpg and ssh keys to hackers.git and released
> the tarball for parabola-keyring-2014.03.02, could someone release
> a new parabola-keyring?  i don't have my build env here :)
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list 
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org 
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
ok, i will do it
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Mar  3 04:34:19 2014
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 02:34:19 -0200
Subject: [Dev] gpg keys missing on hackers.git
In-Reply-To: <5313FEF2.8070009@riseup.net>
References: <1393145349.1557.2.camel@sharviza>
 <87fvn9vs2p.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <87zjl8waqi.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <5313FEF2.8070009@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5314064B.2030608@riseup.net>

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On 03/03/2014 02:02 AM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> On 03/02/2014 07:29 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at endefensadelsl.org> writes:
> 
>>> i can't find your key on pool.sks-keyservers.net
> 
>> i just pushed drtan's gpg and ssh keys to hackers.git and
>> released the tarball for parabola-keyring-2014.03.02, could
>> someone release a new parabola-keyring?  i don't have my build
>> env here :)
> 
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list
>>  Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org 
>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> ok, i will do it
> 
done
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  5 23:12:40 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 18:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20140305 release announcement
Message-ID: <87y50oz1cn.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I just pushed libretools 20140305 to [libre].
TL;DR: added `dagpkg` and `repo-diff`

This is a sloppy, sloppy, release; none of the changes have any tests.

Changes from 20140210 to 20140305:
 - Added Nicol?s' (fauno's) `dagpkg`
 - Added Nicol?s' (fauno's) `repo-diff`
 - libremessages:setup_traps(): Optionally take a custom signal
   handler as an argument.
 - treepkg: Make it so that HOOKPREBUILD and HOOKLOCALRELEASE may not
   be set.
 - mipsrelease: pass in the `-c` flag when running `makepkg --source`.

I made some minimal modifications from Nicol?s' versions of dagpkg and
repo-diff to make them use librelib.  Hopefully I didn't break
anything.

Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Mar  6 01:51:08 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 22:51:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20140305 release announcement
In-Reply-To: <87y50oz1cn.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87y50oz1cn.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87a9d4xfg3.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

"Luke T. Shumaker" <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> I just pushed libretools 20140305 to [libre].
> TL;DR: added `dagpkg` and `repo-diff`
>
> This is a sloppy, sloppy, release; none of the changes have any tests.
>
> Changes from 20140210 to 20140305:
>  - Added Nicol?s' (fauno's) `dagpkg`

this is a terrible offense my name's fauno!

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  6 17:25:47 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 12:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20140306 release announcement
Message-ID: <87fvmv5jdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I just pushed libretools 20140306 to [libre].
TL;DR: Make it work with the new version of systemd.

Changes from 20140305 to 20140306:
 - Removed work-arounds for systemd-208's stdout bug.
 - Removed work-around for systmed bind-mounting resolv.conf during a
   'filesystem' upgrade.

Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Mar 10 15:45:15 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:45:15 -0300
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <CAB1_LYMein5gWmggB8kH-4thqb+C2qKw9dOKhdf=uTKgmSxdVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5eqbmnj3e9dtuyp28vgfa18.1364934735741@email.android.com>
 <87d2ucwndz.fsf@pbot.home>
 <CAB1_LYMein5gWmggB8kH-4thqb+C2qKw9dOKhdf=uTKgmSxdVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y50ijbw4.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

hi prakash!  i see ddg has ads on the html version now ;)

Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com> writes:

> Thanks!  It looks like we sent this out mid Jan.  Can you please let me who
> else didn't receive it, we will resend some more tshirts.
>
> Prakash

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Wed Mar 12 14:16:42 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:16:42 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [important] nasty bug fixed on db-sync
Message-ID: <87ha73a4dx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


From time to time we've seen unfree packages pop on repos with no
explanation.  this wasn't a problem for users because they never were
announced on repo databases and the problem would go away with a new
db-sync.

yesterday it was so that the sync was downloading more than 20GB of
unfree packages, filling up our storage space.

db-sync is our filter and sync script to pull packages from an arch
mirror.  it hasn't changed much since i wrote it on 2011 so wtf was it
failing now?

so the problem was that the testing repos sometimes are empty and when
db-sync tries to create a whitelist to pass to rsync, it ended up adding
a single "*" on it, thus telling rsync to fetch anything from the arch
mirror.  this can be tested by inspecting the /tmp/any.whitelist that's
the general whitelist.

i've patched db-sync and the problem seems fixed.  the bug was just
sitting there for three years!!

https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/dbscripts.git/commit/?id=5bbd4077065e9a10bab0c709c9e3edb0b7d0fc05&context=3&ignorews=1&ss=1


happy hacking!


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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 13 15:57:04 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [important] nasty bug fixed on db-sync
In-Reply-To: <87ha73a4dx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87ha73a4dx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <87siqm3xdb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:16:42 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> i've patched db-sync and the problem seems fixed.  the bug was just
> sitting there for three years!!

Damn, so I can't use this as an excuse to push switching to db-import? :P

Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Mar 13 16:01:51 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:01:51 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [important] nasty bug fixed on db-sync
In-Reply-To: <87siqm3xdb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87ha73a4dx.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <87siqm3xdb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <874n325bps.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

"Luke T. Shumaker" <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> At Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:16:42 -0300,
> Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> i've patched db-sync and the problem seems fixed.  the bug was just
>> sitting there for three years!!
>
> Damn, so I can't use this as an excuse to push switching to db-import?
> :P

is that a self healing filter and mirror script? :P

(we haven't had any repo breakages since db-sync was put in production)

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Fri Mar 14 17:24:37 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:24:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Pierre Schmitz] [arch-dev-public] CAcert dropped from
	certificate bundle
Message-ID: <87ha701yne.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


this is important, our certificates are issued by cacert.

-- 
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From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Sat Mar 15 14:56:57 2014
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:56:57 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Pcr package [debootstrap-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20140315145657.3464.45011@parabolagnulinux-293.local>

mtjm at mtjm.eu wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* debootstrap-libre 1.0.53-3.1 [pcr] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/pcr/any/debootstrap-libre/


The user provided the following additional text:

https://packages.debian.org/sid/debootstrap is 1.0.59 now; Trisquel script should be symlinked also to toutatis (current stable release) and belenos (current development release).



From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Mar 18 10:43:50 2014
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Mirror DNS load balancing
Message-ID: <87r45zhjmh.fsf@mtjm.eu>

Gaming4JC asked on #parabola for mirror efficiency improvement ideas,
since parabola.goodgnus.com.ar has much traffic.

My observations:

- first mirror in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist is preferred;
  parabola.goodgnus.com.ar is first
- IPv6-only mirrors lead to IPv4-only users getting mysterious errors
- mirrors break, so users cannot get newer mirrorlist to use working
  ones
- usually at least one of the Parabola servers works
- distrowatch.com once linked to an ISO on my server using nearly all
  of my monthly bandwidth (improved since)

Proposed solution:

- have only one default mirror:

# Parabola GNU/Linux-libre

Server = http://mirror.parabola.nu/$repo/os/$arch

- add mirror.parabola.nu NS records pointing to some slave servers,
  have master on a server running nsd
- generate the zone file in this way:
  - use a master list of mirrors with responsible and location data
  - test each mirror: get e.g. libre/os/x86_64/libre.db, check if
    it's not too old, if this work, add its IPv4 address to an A
    record, IPv6 to AAAA
- have small TTLs for these records and small slave refresh time
- post a news item on https://parabolagnulinux.org/, ask users to
  update to the new mirror list
- measure bandwidth use of mirrors, should be more uniform afterwards

Expected results:

- a random mirror is used by each user for some time
- systems use IPv6 mirrors if the have IPv6, IPv4-only otherwise
- broken mirrors won't be used after name servers update the zone

Problems:

- the master server needs IPv4 and IPv6, parabolagnulinux.org and
  repo.parabolagnulinux.org don't have IPv6; any plans to change this?
- one problem is intentionally missing from this list
- no HTTPS for mirrors; not needed for authenticity nor integrity:
  packages are signed; repo dbs should be signed too; is it needed for
  confidentiality?  i.e. do standard traffic analysis attacks on
  public static data published over HTTPS work on it?  do we need
  confidentiality for it?
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Mar 18 12:49:09 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:49:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Mirror DNS load balancing
In-Reply-To: <87r45zhjmh.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87r45zhjmh.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87y507smd6.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> writes:

> Gaming4JC asked on #parabola for mirror efficiency improvement ideas,
> since parabola.goodgnus.com.ar has much traffic.
>
> My observations:
>
> - first mirror in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist is preferred;
>   parabola.goodgnus.com.ar is first
> - IPv6-only mirrors lead to IPv4-only users getting mysterious errors
> - mirrors break, so users cannot get newer mirrorlist to use working
>   ones
> - usually at least one of the Parabola servers works
> - distrowatch.com once linked to an ISO on my server using nearly all
>   of my monthly bandwidth (improved since)
>
> Proposed solution:
>
> - have only one default mirror:
>
> # Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
>
> Server = http://mirror.parabola.nu/$repo/os/$arch
>
> - add mirror.parabola.nu NS records pointing to some slave servers,
>   have master on a server running nsd
> - generate the zone file in this way:
>   - use a master list of mirrors with responsible and location data
>   - test each mirror: get e.g. libre/os/x86_64/libre.db, check if
>     it's not too old, if this work, add its IPv4 address to an A
>     record, IPv6 to AAAA
> - have small TTLs for these records and small slave refresh time
> - post a news item on https://parabolagnulinux.org/, ask users to
>   update to the new mirror list
> - measure bandwidth use of mirrors, should be more uniform afterwards

+1 i'm using owns[1] to manage my zones on nsd and it needs a little
love :)


[1]: https://github.com/fauno/owns

> Expected results:
>
> - a random mirror is used by each user for some time
> - systems use IPv6 mirrors if the have IPv6, IPv4-only otherwise
> - broken mirrors won't be used after name servers update the zone
>
> Problems:
>
> - the master server needs IPv4 and IPv6, parabolagnulinux.org and
>   repo.parabolagnulinux.org don't have IPv6; any plans to change this?

parabolagnulinux.org has ipv6 through librevpn (which gateways through
my node...)

> - one problem is intentionally missing from this list

D:

> - no HTTPS for mirrors; not needed for authenticity nor integrity:
>   packages are signed; repo dbs should be signed too; is it needed for
>   confidentiality?  i.e. do standard traffic analysis attacks on
>   public static data published over HTTPS work on it?  do we need
>   confidentiality for it?

it'd be nice if an attacker wouldn't know the software you use?

how's pacman behaving with http redirects?

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Tue Mar 18 13:20:04 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:20:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Felix Yan] [arch-dev-public] Kingsoft Office License
Message-ID: <87vbvbskxn.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


i'm putting this on blacklist preemptively though there's already a vote
against its inclusion in arch

-- 
http://utopia.partidopirata.com.ar/


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From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Mar 20 03:28:25 2014
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 03:28:25 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [iceweasel-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20140320032825.563.74549@parabolagnulinux-293.local>

taro-k at movasense.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* iceweasel-libre 1:27.0.1.deb1-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/iceweasel-libre/
* iceweasel-libre 1:27.0.1.deb1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/iceweasel-libre/


The user provided the following additional text:

Do we need to update for this matter?
https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2881

Taro



From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sat Mar 22 11:58:17 2014
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:58:17 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Blacklist issue references
Message-ID: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu>

Hello.  We have ~673 blacklist entries now, I believe we need more
cooperation with other free distros on package freedom issues and
interpretation of the FSDG.

For this reason I propose making a small and compatible blacklist format
change:

Instead of the current format:

  original-package:libre-replacement:description

Let's use this one:

  original-package:libre-replacement:ref:id:description

where ref is described by the following table:

    debian: &debian http://bugs.debian.org/
    fsf: &fsf http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#
    savannah: &sv https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?
    fedora: &fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=
    parabola: &parabola https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/

Use the value after & as the ref column value, the URL pointed by it and
concatenated with the id field should point to an issue
reporting/describing the reason for the package being blacklisted.

I believe our scripts use the first two fields only, so they won't be
affected by the change.  Some descriptions already contain colons.

Example: instead of

  virtualbox:: contains BIOS which needs a nonfree compiler [...]

we will use

  virtualbox::parabola:375: contains BIOS which needs a nonfree compiler [...]

We should prefer fsf refs, since they are easily available for other
distros.  Hopefully some lines will move from parabola:X to fsf:Y with
the LibrePlanet wiki linking to the X issue on labs.parabola.nu.

To make reporting issues to gnu-linux-libre easier, we should explain
in the description if the package is blacklisted due to an upstream FSDG
issue, problem introduced by Arch (e.g. not including required license
text, adding optional dependency on a nonfree package), or just
branding, dependency or non-freedom-related issues which don't need
reporting to other distros.

The ref syntax is based on [0] which uses an imo more friendly markup
than our blacklist does.  We could separately migrate to another format
in future if we decide it being better and adapt the scripts.

I'll post a patch updating the blacklist to the proposed format and
adding needed documentation.

Any comments?

[0] http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/gnewsense/debderiver/annotate/head:/examples/filters/parkes.yaml
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Mar 23 02:34:04 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:34:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Blacklist issue references
In-Reply-To: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87eh1tk5ib.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> writes:

> Hello.  We have ~673 blacklist entries now, I believe we need more
> cooperation with other free distros on package freedom issues and
> interpretation of the FSDG.
>
> For this reason I propose making a small and compatible blacklist format
> change:
>
> Instead of the current format:
>
>   original-package:libre-replacement:description
>
> Let's use this one:
>
>   original-package:libre-replacement:ref:id:description

+1 :)

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 23 03:13:28 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Dev] License clarification/changes (attn: xihh, lluvia, fauno, mtjm,
	xylon)
Message-ID: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I did one before, but I just did a more thorough audit of the licenses
in libretools, and found some issues.  Here are the changes I need you
guys to approve of:

fauno:
  [ ] I approve licensing fullpkg, fullpkg-build, add-mips64el,
      repo-diff, toru-info, toru-path, toru-utils and toru-where under
      the GNU GPLv3, or (at the users' option) any later
      version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing chcleanup and toru from the GNU GPLv3
      exclusively to the GNU GPLv3 or (at the users' option) any later
      version. (GPLv3 -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing libremessages, librechroot, and
      libremakepkg from the GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU
      GPLv2 or any later version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)
xihh:
  [ ] I approve of licensing fullpkg, fullpkg-build, mips-add and
      toru-utils under the GNU GPLv3, or (at the users' option) any
      later version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing toru from the GNU GPLv3 exclusively to
      the GNU GPLv3, or at the users' option any later version. (GPLv3
      -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing libremessages, librechroot, and
      libremakepkg from the GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU
      GPLv2 or any later version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)
mtjm:
  [ ] I approve of licensing toru-path under the GNU GPLv3, or (at the
      users' option) any later version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing toru from the GNU GPLv3 exclusively to
      the GNU GPLv3, or at the users' option any later version. (GPLv3
      -> GPLv3+)
  [ ] I approve of re-licensing librechroot, and libremakepkg from the
      GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU GPLv2 or any later
      version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)
  [ ] If common.sh can be licensed under terms compatible with the GNU
      GPLv2, but not v3, I approve re-licensing any conflicting files
      from GPLv3+ to GPLv2+. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)

lluvia, xylon, xihh, mtjm, fauno:

  [ ] If common.sh can be licensed under terms compatible with the GNU
      GPLv2, but not v3, I approve re-licensing any program making use
      of libremessages from GPLv3+ to GPLv2+. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)

      lluvia: this would mean just libreaddiff
      Xylon: this would mean just pkgbuild-check-nonfree
      xihh, mtjm, fauno: this would mean a whole host of files

What this achieves (mostly): 
----------------------------

Under filenames, I list who is a blocker for that change.  If I
(lukeshu) am a blocker, I don't list myself, because I obviously
support the change.

Identify the licenses of:
 - fullpkg
   - fauno
   - xihh
 - fullpkg-build
   - fauno
   - xihh
 - add-mips64el
   - fauno
 - mips-add
   - xihh
 - repo-diff
   - fauno
 - toru-info
   - fauno
 - toru-path
   - fauno
   - mtjm
 - toru-utils
   - fauno
   - xihh
 - toru-where
   - fauno

Relicense from GPLv3 to GPLv3+
 - chcleanup
   - fauno
 - toru
   - fauno
   - xihh
   - mtjm

Relicense from GPLv3+ to GPLv2+
 - libremessages
   - fauno
   - xihh

Either relicense makechrootpkg (from devtools) from GPLv2 to
GPLv3-compat or librechroot and libremakepkg from GPLv3+ GPLv2+.
 - librechroot, libremakepkg
   - fauno
   - xihh
   - mtjm
 - makechrootpkg (this would also affect fullpkg-find)
   - unknown

Identify licenses of untagged files from devtools:
 - checkpkg
 - finddeps
 - find-libdeps
 - ldd
 - common.sh (if we can't get GPLv3 compat on this... we have work to do)


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Mar 23 03:30:58 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 00:30:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] License clarification/changes (attn: xihh, lluvia, fauno,
	mtjm, xylon)
In-Reply-To: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87bnwxk2vh.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

"Luke T. Shumaker" <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> I did one before, but I just did a more thorough audit of the licenses
> in libretools, and found some issues.  Here are the changes I need you
> guys to approve of:
>
> fauno:
>   [x] I approve licensing fullpkg, fullpkg-build, add-mips64el,
>       repo-diff, toru-info, toru-path, toru-utils and toru-where under
>       the GNU GPLv3, or (at the users' option) any later
>       version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
>   [x] I approve of re-licensing chcleanup and toru from the GNU GPLv3
>       exclusively to the GNU GPLv3 or (at the users' option) any later
>       version. (GPLv3 -> GPLv3+)
>   [x] I approve of re-licensing libremessages, librechroot, and
>       libremakepkg from the GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU
>       GPLv2 or any later version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 23 03:44:24 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:44:24 -0400
Subject: [Dev] libretools 20140322 release announcement
Message-ID: <871txtfujr.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I just pushed libretools 20140322 to [libre].  The big change (and the
reason that I'm making this a release) is that it will now work
correctly with the new version of Bash (4.3).

Full changes from v20140306 to v20140322:
 - Clarify licenses and copyright holders as much as possible.
 - libremakepkg: Edit pacman.conf correctly with bash 4.3
 - librefetch: Correctly quote filenames with bash 4.3
 - librechroot: Obey proxy settings when creating a chroot
 - Add usage text to checkpkg, find-lib(deps|provides), finddeps, lddd
 - Fix the usage text in libreaddiff

Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From hahj87 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 05:02:12 2014
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Haase)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:02:12 -0600
Subject: [Dev] License clarification/changes (attn: xihh, lluvia, fauno,
	mtjm, xylon)
In-Reply-To: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87siq9a4ob.fsf@gmail.com>

"Luke T. Shumaker" <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> I did one before, but I just did a more thorough audit of the licenses
> in libretools, and found some issues.  Here are the changes I need you
> guys to approve of:

xihh:
  [x] I approve of licensing fullpkg, fullpkg-build, mips-add and
      toru-utils under the GNU GPLv3, or (at the users' option) any
      later version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
  [x] I approve of re-licensing toru from the GNU GPLv3 exclusively to
      the GNU GPLv3, or at the users' option any later version. (GPLv3
      -> GPLv3+)
  [x] I approve of re-licensing libremessages, librechroot, and
      libremakepkg from the GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU
      GPLv2 or any later version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)



From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Mar 23 09:11:02 2014
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 10:11:02 +0100
Subject: [Dev] License clarification/changes (attn: xihh, lluvia, fauno,
	mtjm, xylon)
In-Reply-To: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> (Luke T. Shumaker's message
 of "Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:13:28 -0400")
References: <8761n5fvzb.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <874n2p46vt.fsf@mtjm.eu>

mtjm:
  [x] I approve of licensing toru-path under the GNU GPLv3, or (at the
      users' option) any later version. (Unspecified -> GPLv3+)
  [x] I approve of re-licensing toru from the GNU GPLv3 exclusively to
      the GNU GPLv3, or at the users' option any later version. (GPLv3
      -> GPLv3+)
  [x] I approve of re-licensing librechroot, and libremakepkg from the
      GNU GPLv3 or any later version to the GNU GPLv2 or any later
      version. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)
  [x] If common.sh can be licensed under terms compatible with the GNU
      GPLv2, but not v3, I approve re-licensing any conflicting files
      from GPLv3+ to GPLv2+. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)

lluvia, xylon, xihh, mtjm, fauno:

  [x] If common.sh can be licensed under terms compatible with the GNU
      GPLv2, but not v3, I approve re-licensing any program making use
      of libremessages from GPLv3+ to GPLv2+. (GPLv3+ -> GPLv2+)

      lluvia: this would mean just libreaddiff
      Xylon: this would mean just pkgbuild-check-nonfree
      xihh, mtjm, fauno: this would mean a whole host of files
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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Sun Mar 23 10:27:54 2014
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 07:27:54 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Blacklist issue references
In-Reply-To: <87eh1tk5ib.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87eh1tk5ib.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <532EB72A.3020909@riseup.net>

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On 03/22/2014 11:34 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> writes:
> 
>> Hello.  We have ~673 blacklist entries now, I believe we need
>> more cooperation with other free distros on package freedom
>> issues and interpretation of the FSDG.
>> 
>> For this reason I propose making a small and compatible blacklist
>> format change:
>> 
>> Instead of the current format:
>> 
>> original-package:libre-replacement:description
>> 
>> Let's use this one:
>> 
>> original-package:libre-replacement:ref:id:description
> 
> +1 :)
> 
+1

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From aurelien at hackers.guru  Sun Mar 23 11:05:03 2014
From: aurelien at hackers.guru (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien_DESBRI=C3=88RES?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:05:03 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Blacklist issue references
In-Reply-To: <532EB72A.3020909@riseup.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Sun, 23 Mar 2014 07:27:54 -0300")
References: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87eh1tk5ib.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
 <532EB72A.3020909@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <871txtdvkw.fsf@unicorn.home>

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> writes:

> On 03/22/2014 11:34 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> writes:
>> 
>>> Hello.  We have ~673 blacklist entries now, I believe we need
>>> more cooperation with other free distros on package freedom
>>> issues and interpretation of the FSDG.
>>> 
>>> For this reason I propose making a small and compatible blacklist
>>> format change:
>>> 
>>> Instead of the current format:
>>> 
>>> original-package:libre-replacement:description
>>> 
>>> Let's use this one:
>>> 
>>> original-package:libre-replacement:ref:id:description
>> 
>> +1 :)
>> 
> +1
+1

-- 
Aur?lien DESBRI?RES
Run Free - Run GNU.org


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Mar 23 14:19:33 2014
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 15:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Blacklist issue references
In-Reply-To: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82o?=
 =?utf-8?Q?wski=22's?= message of "Sat,
 22 Mar 2014 12:58:17 +0100")
References: <87vbv6v412.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87vbv52e16.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I'll post a patch updating the blacklist to the proposed format and
> adding needed documentation.

The patches are on the ref-and-id branch of the blacklist.git repo [0].
They also add a check.sh script that lists the 511 entries without a
reference (I added most that I found on labs.parabola.nu and
libreplanet.org, I haven't added ones where important issues are listed
in the blacklist only).

[0] https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/blacklist.git/commit/?h=ref-and-id
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From mail at soeren-tempel.net  Sun Mar 23 18:23:21 2014
From: mail at soeren-tempel.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Tempel)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:23:21 +0100
Subject: [Dev] blacklist zsh-completions
Message-ID: <20140323182256.GA24217@calcium.fritz.box>

Hi there,

I attached a git-format-patch(1) for the blacklist repository which will
blacklist the zsh-completions[0] package if applied. I do not have
commit access to this repository so somebody who has could apply it.

The issue with the zsh-completion package is that many completions do
not have any license informations. The 'README.md' states that each file
has an individual license[0], however, as already mentioned some files
do not have any license information at all. For instance, the jekyll
completions[1] or the nvm[2] completions.

Thus those file should be considered non-free and therefor the package
should be blacklisted.

[0] https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-completions#license
[1] https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-completions/blob/master/src/_jekyll
[2] https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-completions/blob/master/src/_nvm

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 24 04:18:43 2014
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 00:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Licensing in devtools
Message-ID: <87mwggi5zw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Sorry to bother you,

I am seeking clarification on the license of the following files in
devtools.git that do not have a copyright/license header:

 - checkpkg
 - finddeps
 - find-libdeps
 - ldd
 - lib/common.sh

The only files in the repository with license statements are
arch-nspawn, makechrootpkg, and mkarchroot; which are all GPLv2
(only); so I have been operating under the assumption that the other
files are as well.

However, I would *really* appreciate it if common.sh were licensed as
GPLv2+ (with the "at your option, any later version" bit).

I realize that because of having many contributors, possibly without
copyright assignment/delegation, this may be a tricky question to
answer.  Whatever response you can give me would be much appreciated.

Thank you, and happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Mon Mar 24 22:50:17 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:50:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?=5BS=C3=A9bastien_Luttringer=5D_=5Barch-dev-publi?=
 =?utf-8?q?c=5D_=5BRFC=5D_Add_ARM_to_archlinux=2Eorg?=
Message-ID: <878urzgqja.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


fyi

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Mar 30 14:09:30 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:09:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Guillaume ALAUX] [arch-dev-public]  [arch-general] Java 8
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fyi, if they decide to provide the binary package from oracle i think we
should blacklist

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From fauno at endefensadelsl.org  Sun Mar 30 14:27:05 2014
From: fauno at endefensadelsl.org (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:27:05 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [aur-notify@archlinux.org] AUR Comment for pandoc-static
Message-ID: <8738hzkbie.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>


i think this is a problem, packages in [pcr] shouldn't remove anything
From your system...  the "replaces" field should be left out for
packages that would just conflict with another, in that way you can use
[pcr] and still pick what you want to have installed.

also, there're some packages in [pcr] that were later put in
[community].

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From mail at soeren-tempel.net  Mon Mar 31 12:54:21 2014
From: mail at soeren-tempel.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Tempel)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:54:21 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Obsolet packages in blacklist.txt
Message-ID: <20140331125415.GA2268@calcium.fritz.box>

Hi there,

I noticed that the blacklist contains a bunch of packages which are no
longer available in the arch linux repositories. I was wondering if this
is already a known fact and if those obsolete packages should be kept in
the blacklist or if they should be removed.

Using a shell one liner and a arch linux docker container I found out
that the following packages are blacklisted but no longer available in
the arch linux repositories.

aif
amd-ucode
aqua-data-studio
ar9170-fw
arch-artwork
archlinux-artwork
archlinux-lxdm-theme
archlinux-themes-kde
aufs2
bacula
beanshell
bladeenc
catalyst
catalyst-dkms
catalyst-lts
catalyst-utils
cdfs
cross-arm-wince-cegcc-docs
cross-arm-wince-cegcc-importlibs
d4x
fcpci
fcpcmcia
foomatic-filters
foomatic
freepascal
hplip-plugin
initscripts
iwlwifi-1000-ucode
iwlwifi-3945-ucode
iwlwifi-4965-ucode
iwlwifi-5000-ucode
iwlwifi-5150-ucode
iwlwifi-6000-ucode
kingsoft-office
lha
lib32-catalyst-utils
lib32-libflashsupport
libflashsupport
libflashsupport-oss
lilo
linux-firmware-git
madwifi-utils
madwifi
martian
martian-utils
microcode_ctl
mkbootcd
monaco-linux-font
moonlight
murmure-ice
ndiswrapper
ndiswrapper-lts
ndiswrapper-utils
newton-dynamics
nltk
nouveau-drm-lts
nouveau-firmware
nppangband
nxclient
open-vm-tools-dkms
open-vm-tools-modules
opencl-catalyst
oss
poweriso
qingy-theme-arch
qstat
rt2870usb-fw
rt2x00-rt61-fw
rt2x00-rt71w-fw
sfarkxtc
skype-oss
skype-staticqt
slmodem
slmodem-utils
sqlite3-doc
thunderbird-i18n-af
thunderbird-i18n-es
thunderbird-i18n-ga
thunderbird-i18n-nb
thunderbird-i18n-nn
thunderbird-i18n-pa
thunderbird-i18n-pt
thunderbird-i18n-sv
tiacx-firmware
tiacx-lts
tiacx
ttf-thai
vbaexpress
xpdf-chinese-simplified
xpdf-chinese-traditional
xpdf-japanese
xpdf-korean
xvba-video-open
zeroc-ice

Some of them might have been blacklisted preemptively like
'kingsoft-office' . Others like 'aif' have been removed by arch a long
time ago and will probably never return to the arch linux repository.

-- 
S?ren Tempel


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Mar 31 13:09:28 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:09:28 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Obsolet packages in blacklist.txt
In-Reply-To: <20140331125415.GA2268@calcium.fritz.box>
References: <20140331125415.GA2268@calcium.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <87k3baikfr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

S?ren Tempel <mail at soeren-tempel.net> writes:
> Some of them might have been blacklisted preemptively like
> 'kingsoft-office' . Others like 'aif' have been removed by arch a long
> time ago and will probably never return to the arch linux repository.

thanks! but if they're still on aur keeping them blacklisted is still
useful (though this breaks the "arch's 92% free" argument :P)

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From mail at soeren-tempel.net  Mon Mar 31 13:21:18 2014
From: mail at soeren-tempel.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6ren?= Tempel)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:21:18 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Obsolet packages in blacklist.txt
In-Reply-To: <87k3baikfr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
References: <20140331125415.GA2268@calcium.fritz.box>
 <87k3baikfr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>
Message-ID: <20140331132118.GA4871@calcium.fritz.box>

On 31.03.14, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> thanks! but if they're still on aur keeping them blacklisted is still
> useful (though this breaks the "arch's 92% free" argument :P)

Most of them are not even available in the aur (e.g 'iwlwifi-3945-ucode').
However, it might be a good idea to move the packages that are available
in the aur to the file 'aur-blacklist.txt', no?

-- 
S?ren Tempel


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Mar 31 13:39:35 2014
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:39:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Obsolet packages in blacklist.txt
In-Reply-To: <20140331132118.GA4871@calcium.fritz.box>
References: <20140331125415.GA2268@calcium.fritz.box>
 <87k3baikfr.fsf@endefensadelsl.org> <20140331132118.GA4871@calcium.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <87ha6eij1k.fsf@endefensadelsl.org>

S?ren Tempel <mail at soeren-tempel.net> writes:

> On 31.03.14, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> thanks! but if they're still on aur keeping them blacklisted is still
>> useful (though this breaks the "arch's 92% free" argument :P)
>
> Most of them are not even available in the aur (e.g 'iwlwifi-3945-ucode').
> However, it might be a good idea to move the packages that are available
> in the aur to the file 'aur-blacklist.txt', no?

mmm i don't think we're using the our-freedom package yet?  what would
be gain by removing or moving away known unfree packages?

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