From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Oct  1 00:20:05 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:20:05 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Andreas Radke] [arch-dev-public] Xorg-server 1.13 / Mesa 9.0
Message-ID: <87obknm4ay.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

fyi

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Oct  1 00:24:25 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:24:25 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Tom Gundersen] [arch-dev-public] The future of sysvinit in
	Arch: Call for Help
Message-ID: <87lifrm43q.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

fyi

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Oct  2 15:12:35 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 12:12:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] verbosity of maintenance list
Message-ID: <87sj9wkivw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

ok i know i propposed this list, but know that we've been using it for
some time, i made a balance and i think we could make it less verbose
but still useful... ideas?

once a friend told me about a cron helper that reduced this problem but
i can't recall it's name...
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Oct  4 15:11:32 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 12:11:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] webkit on mips
Message-ID: <87pq4ygtln.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

mtjm told me he built a --enable-debug version of webkit that's huge but
it doesn't crash, so i checked what's the difference. turns out
--enable-debug disables fast-malloc (--disable-fast-malloc) and compiler
optimizations (-O0 instead of -O2)

so i built with --disable-fast-malloc and tested midori for a while and
it seems ok! :D

please give it a try!
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From stayvoid at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 21:55:26 2012
From: stayvoid at gmail.com (Stayvoid)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 01:55:26 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
Message-ID: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I want to use GRUB for chain loading. Is there a way to do it?

There are some packages in the repo that don't depend on architecture
(e.g. grub-efi-x86_64). But pacman will output nothing if I run the
following command on YeeLoong:

# pacman -S grub

Why there is no grub-efi-x86_64? Am I missing something?

Thanks


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Oct  6 23:48:05 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:48:05 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Stayvoid <stayvoid at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I want to use GRUB for chain loading. Is there a way to do it?
>
> There are some packages in the repo that don't depend on architecture
> (e.g. grub-efi-x86_64). But pacman will output nothing if I run the
> following command on YeeLoong:
>
> # pacman -S grub
>
> Why there is no grub-efi-x86_64? Am I missing something?

there's no grub yet because we got the same functionality from pmon and
it's even quicker. if you want to use grub feel free to package it, test
it and release it on repos ;)
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From stayvoid at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 09:41:56 2012
From: stayvoid at gmail.com (Stayvoid)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:41:56 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>

> there's no grub yet because we got the same functionality from pmon
> and it's even quicker.

It has a similar functionality but not the same. IIRC PMON only
supports ext2 and ext3.

Can PMON handle encrypted partitions?

I've been told that GRUB can do the following:

linux   /vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/mapper/root ro cryptdevice=/dev/sda3:root quiet
initrd  /initramfs-linux.img

Thanks


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Oct  7 09:57:18 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:57:18 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (stayvoid@gmail.com's message of "Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:41:56 +0400")
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pq4u8v0h.fsf@mtjm.eu>

>> there's no grub yet because we got the same functionality from pmon
>> and it's even quicker.
>
> It has a similar functionality but not the same. IIRC PMON only
> supports ext2 and ext3.
>
> Can PMON handle encrypted partitions?

So instead of an unencrypted ext2 or ext3 boot partition, you want an
unencrypted ext2 or ext3 boot partition for boot.cfg and grub.elf and a
separate (maybe encrypted or ext4 or ...) boot partition for the
kernels?  Probably not many other users need this.
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From stayvoid at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 10:29:39 2012
From: stayvoid at gmail.com (Stayvoid)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:29:39 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <87pq4u8v0h.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4u8v0h.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <CAK5fS_HMLU_erF7HEyLfML4fgF-1dSzB_SbszS24_wTZ_ZwX3g@mail.gmail.com>

> So instead of an unencrypted ext2 or ext3 boot partition, you want
> an unencrypted ext2 or ext3 boot partition for boot.cfg and grub.elf
> and a separate (maybe encrypted or ext4 or ...) boot partition for
> the kernels?

Why should I need a separate partition for the kernels?

Here is the usual scheme:

/dev/sda1 - /boot
/dev/sda2 - swap
/dev/sda3 - /

If you have an encrypted root, GRUB can create a mapping and mount
it. Can PMON handle this?


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Oct  7 10:35:27 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:35:27 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <CAK5fS_HMLU_erF7HEyLfML4fgF-1dSzB_SbszS24_wTZ_ZwX3g@mail.gmail.com>
 (stayvoid@gmail.com's message of "Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:29:39 +0400")
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4u8v0h.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <CAK5fS_HMLU_erF7HEyLfML4fgF-1dSzB_SbszS24_wTZ_ZwX3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87lifi8t8w.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Why should I need a separate partition for the kernels?

Why else would you need Grub's support for other filesystems or
encryption?

> If you have an encrypted root, GRUB can create a mapping and mount
> it. Can PMON handle this?

Most probably initrd handles this.
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From stayvoid at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 12:54:19 2012
From: stayvoid at gmail.com (Stayvoid)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:54:19 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <87lifi8t8w.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAK5fS_F8WzKrqi0Mr=ejcmupCFUNi8A6QrJEr2oc6m68QMAdKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4u8v0h.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <CAK5fS_HMLU_erF7HEyLfML4fgF-1dSzB_SbszS24_wTZ_ZwX3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <87lifi8t8w.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <CAK5fS_Fc6U5Js-wSx_+vC-H_Md4=7PJ=eSvryhJ_o+mF_HEc2A@mail.gmail.com>

> Most probably initrd handles this.

Could you give some pointers?

I know that it's necessary to add "encrypt" to the HOOKS section in
/etc/mkinitcpio.conf to compile initrd with cryptsetup, but I guess
that's not enough.

I've been told that I have to specify my cipher and hash algorithms in
the crypto= option of the kernel cmdline.

I can specify a mapping as my root partition in boot.cfg, but it won't
work because it won't be created.


From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Oct  8 11:13:38 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
Message-ID: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>

Hello partners.

I am currently at Goania, Brasil to participate on a coop-op about art 
and technology. The data about is in:

Projeto selecionado -- Res#6 Programa de Resid?ncia Art?stica e Cient?fica
http://www.medialab.ufg.br/site/#res6-programa-de-residencia-artistica-e-cientifica 


res#6: O Bom Compartilhar - primeiro encontro com os residentes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxVGU0pHlc

Res#6: Apresenta??o dos Residentes Juan Carlos Le?n e Quiliro Ord??ez 
(Equador)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDG3RkR2Dwo

It is basically a device which will be publicly available for anybody to 
upload and download works via USB memory for using in events or the 
sort. No keyboard. No moniitor. Nothing but an ethernet port connected 
to the Internet, some leds and two USB ports.

The device should, upon detection of a USB memory stick plugged into one 
of the USB ports, copy a folder from the device to the USB memory. If 
the USB memory stick is detected on the other USB port, the device 
should work the other way around; it should copy a folder from the USB 
memory to the device. After any of these two operations is completed, 
the USB memory should be unmounted and a led should flash until the USB 
memory is detached. This is managed through a web server.

I have made the web administration interface. And I have found 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Execute_on_USB_insert . It says: 
"Add the following line to your udev USB mount rule (Modify to fit your 
configuration)". Would someone please tell me if I am correct in 
assuming that the the udev USB mount rule is in Is 
/etc/udev/rules.d/90-automounter.rules ?

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)2-253 5534
(593)2-259 5632
(593)8-454 8078

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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Oct  8 11:21:51 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 06:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org>

By the way, I am fully documenting the documentation so it is available 
"libre...ly" available. Your contribution is very much apreciated. :-)

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)2-253 5534
(593)2-259 5632
(593)8-454 8078



From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Oct  8 18:42:03 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 15:42:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Quiliro Ord??ez <quiliro at congresolibre.org> writes:

> By the way, I am fully documenting the documentation so it is available 
> "libre...ly" available. Your contribution is very much apreciated. :-)

the udev wiki mentions that or udevil's devmon

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#UDisks this part and "tips and tricks"
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From stayvoid at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 20:35:51 2012
From: stayvoid at gmail.com (Stayvoid)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:35:51 +0400
Subject: [Dev] Chain loading with GRUB on YeeLoong
In-Reply-To: <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <CAK5fS_F4-c1iJvpWWUEyCpGw-CRVUKO63kWjy-5L-TBc+shaHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87pq4vdux6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <CAK5fS_HR0s057OtLO=nE2Nu_fYrQ3v_b_sxCqxHf5=OitoU2Rg@mail.gmail.com>

> if you want to use grub feel free to package it, test
> it and release it on repos ;)

I tried to install from sources. [1]

[1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2012-10/msg00008.html


From alfplayer at mailoo.org  Thu Oct 11 23:52:08 2012
From: alfplayer at mailoo.org (Esteban Carnevale)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:52:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Get dev access - alfplayer
Message-ID: <20121011235131.GA849@ab2>

Hi, I'm alfplayer. I've been in the channel lately. I chatted with fauno to get access. My SSH public key and its signature is attached.

My PGP public key: http://keyserver.fug.com.br/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x44BC7D7F49B9A5A4

I'm working on updating ArchISO so we can get a new ISO.
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Fri Oct 12 13:31:07 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org>

El 08/10/12 13:42, Nicol?s Reynolds escribi?:
> Quiliro Ord??ez<quiliro at congresolibre.org>  writes:
>
>> By the way, I am fully documenting the documentation so it is available
>> "libre...ly" available. Your contribution is very much apreciated. :-)
> the udev wiki mentions that or udevil's devmon
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#UDisks this part and "tips and tricks"

devmon works well but i cannot manage to make it umount the driive after 
iit has copied the files



-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)2-253 5534
(593)2-259 5632
(593)8-454 8078



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Fri Oct 12 19:18:35 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:18:35 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <50786D0B.10107@congresolibre.org>

El 12/10/12 08:31, Quiliro Ord??ez escribi?:
> El 08/10/12 13:42, Nicol?s Reynolds escribi?:
>> Quiliro Ord??ez<quiliro at congresolibre.org>  writes:
>>
>>> By the way, I am fully documenting the documentation so it is available
>>> "libre...ly" available. Your contribution is very much apreciated. :-)
>> the udev wiki mentions that or udevil's devmon
>>
>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#UDisks this part and "tips 
>> and tricks"
>
> devmon works well but i cannot manage to make it umount the driive 
> after iit has copied the files
>
>
>

devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r some_directory %d" --exec-on-drive "umount %d"

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)2-253 5534
(593)2-259 5632
(593)8-454 8078



From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Oct 13 14:13:43 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:13:43 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mistery solved!
Message-ID: <87zk3q5ujs.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

From time to time i've found garbage under staging/ that prevented
db-update to release packages. (staging/$repo/ dirs are used to upload
parabola built packages)

today i found A LOT and while i was removing them aurelien complained
about repo-update failing... but our syncing script is called db-sync!

the problem was that repo-update, our old and buggy sync script, used to
download packages from kernel.org into staging/ and then use repo-add to
release them. this was problematic because there wasn't anything that
made packages *leave* the repos... until db-sync came in.

so i removed repo-update, if you were running it manually please don't,
use db-sync to synchronize packages (it's done once per day) and
db-update to release packages. i'll perform other cleanups to avoid
confusion.
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Oct 15 18:41:21 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>

I have successfully used devmon for automatically mounting a USB memory, 
copying a directory to it and then unmounting it. It works correctly as 
root user with the following command:
devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; umount %d"
I would like devmon to do that on a specific USB port. On another 
specific port, I would like to do the opposite copy operation:
devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; umount %d"
I understand that can be done by adding a udev rule. I found the 
specifications of the ports by using:
udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb1)
after plugging in any USB memory to both ports:
KERNELS=="2-1" for the right USB port
KERNELS=="2-2" for the left USB port
The point is not to recognize a USB memory specific product id or device 
id, but to recognize the specific port it was connected to.

So I suppose I need to create a udev rule. I think I have to assign a 
symlink to the USB memories connected to the left port and another to 
the right port. Then, I should use these commands:
devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; 
umount %d"
devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; 
umount %d"

Please suggest the rule I should use and the appropiate devmon command. 
If no one is able to answer this question, please guide me to a udev 
rule forum. Thank you.

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Oct 15 23:03:47 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:03:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Quiliro Ord??ez <quiliro at congresolibre.org> writes:

> I have successfully used devmon for automatically mounting a USB memory, 
> copying a directory to it and then unmounting it. It works correctly as 
> root user with the following command:
> devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; umount %d"
> I would like devmon to do that on a specific USB port. On another 
> specific port, I would like to do the opposite copy operation:
> devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; umount %d"
> I understand that can be done by adding a udev rule. I found the 
> specifications of the ports by using:
> udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb1)
> after plugging in any USB memory to both ports:
> KERNELS=="2-1" for the right USB port
> KERNELS=="2-2" for the left USB port
> The point is not to recognize a USB memory specific product id or device 
> id, but to recognize the specific port it was connected to.
>
> So I suppose I need to create a udev rule. I think I have to assign a 
> symlink to the USB memories connected to the left port and another to 
> the right port. Then, I should use these commands:
> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; 
> umount %d"
> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; 
> umount %d"
>
> Please suggest the rule I should use and the appropiate devmon command. 
> If no one is able to answer this question, please guide me to a udev 
> rule forum. Thank you.

wouldn't it be more simple/easier to do both things at the same time,
for instance:

devmon --exec-on-device /dev/usb "rsync -a %d/ /home/quiliro/; rsync -a /home/quiliro/ %d/ ; umount %d" 

will synchronize usb to the sharing device and back, then umount :D
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Oct 15 23:22:48 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
 <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <507C9AC8.3070203@congresolibre.org>

El 15/10/12 18:03, Nicol?s Reynolds escribi?:
> Quiliro Ord??ez<quiliro at congresolibre.org>  writes:
>
>> I have successfully used devmon for automatically mounting a USB memory,
>> copying a directory to it and then unmounting it. It works correctly as
>> root user with the following command:
>> devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; umount %d"
>> I would like devmon to do that on a specific USB port. On another
>> specific port, I would like to do the opposite copy operation:
>> devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; umount %d"
>> I understand that can be done by adding a udev rule. I found the
>> specifications of the ports by using:
>> udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdb1)
>> after plugging in any USB memory to both ports:
>> KERNELS=="2-1" for the right USB port
>> KERNELS=="2-2" for the left USB port
>> The point is not to recognize a USB memory specific product id or device
>> id, but to recognize the specific port it was connected to.
>>
>> So I suppose I need to create a udev rule. I think I have to assign a
>> symlink to the USB memories connected to the left port and another to
>> the right port. Then, I should use these commands:
>> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ;
>> umount %d"
>> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ;
>> umount %d"
>>
>> Please suggest the rule I should use and the appropiate devmon command.
>> If no one is able to answer this question, please guide me to a udev
>> rule forum. Thank you.
> wouldn't it be more simple/easier to do both things at the same time,
> for instance:
>
> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/usb "rsync -a %d/ /home/quiliro/; rsync -a /home/quiliro/ %d/ ; umount %d"
>
> will synchronize usb to the sharing device and back, then umount :D


That won't work. It should upload from USB memory on one port and 
download to USB memory on the other port. It should not upload on the 
download port or download on the upload port.

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Oct 15 23:25:36 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:25:36 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <507C9B70.8040400@congresolibre.org>

El 15/10/12 13:41, Quiliro Ord??ez escribi?:
> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; 
> umount %d"
> devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ 
> ; umount %d"

There is a mistake. It should be:
devmon --exec-on-device /dev/right_USB "cp -r /home/quiliro/media %d ; 
umount %d"
devmon --exec-on-device /dev/left_USB "cp -r %d/media /home/quiliro/ ; 
umount %d"

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Oct 16 03:37:59 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:37:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <507C9AC8.3070203@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
 <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <507C9AC8.3070203@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <87fw5f3x48.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Quiliro Ord??ez <quiliro at congresolibre.org> writes:
>> will synchronize usb to the sharing device and back, then umount :D
>
>
> That won't work. It should upload from USB memory on one port and 
> download to USB memory on the other port. It should not upload on the 
> download port or download on the upload port.

i meant it as "you can use only one port" ;)
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Tue Oct 16 04:38:40 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:38:40 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <87fw5f3x48.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
 <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <507C9AC8.3070203@congresolibre.org>
 <87fw5f3x48.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <507CE4D0.5000009@congresolibre.org>

El 15/10/12 22:37, Nicol?s Reynolds escribi?:
> Quiliro Ord??ez<quiliro at congresolibre.org>  writes:
>>> will synchronize usb to the sharing device and back, then umount :D
>>
>> That won't work. It should upload from USB memory on one port and
>> download to USB memory on the other port. It should not upload on the
>> download port or download on the upload port.
> i meant it as "you can use only one port" ;)

I know. That would be easier. But it is intended to be more graphical  
by having one port for upload and another for upload.

Suggestions?


-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Tue Oct 16 05:39:19 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <507CE4D0.5000009@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <5072B74F.9080104@congresolibre.org> <87pq4sdcw4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <50781B9B.1070107@congresolibre.org> <507C58D1.9000506@congresolibre.org>
 <87k3ur49t8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <507C9AC8.3070203@congresolibre.org>
 <87fw5f3x48.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <507CE4D0.5000009@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <507CF307.2010509@congresolibre.org>

El 15/10/12 23:38, Quiliro Ord??ez escribi?:
> El 15/10/12 22:37, Nicol?s Reynolds escribi?:
>> Quiliro Ord??ez<quiliro at congresolibre.org>  writes:
>>>> will synchronize usb to the sharing device and back, then umount :D
>>>
>>> That won't work. It should upload from USB memory on one port and
>>> download to USB memory on the other port. It should not upload on the
>>> download port or download on the upload port.
>> i meant it as "you can use only one port" ;)
>
> I know. That would be easier. But it is intended to be more graphical 
> by having one port for upload and another for

download.

>
> Suggestions?
>
>


-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Tue Oct 16 17:46:58 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:46:58 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <507D9D92.5040904@congresolibre.org>

I have made progress. This is the current situation.

# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/65-usb_derecho.rules
ACTION=="add", 
ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:12.2-usb-0:2:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0", 
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", SYMLINK+="usb_izquierdo"

# devmon --exec-on-device /dev/usb_izquierdo "cp -r /home/ana/media %d ; 
umount %d"       # unsuccessful

# devmon --exec-on-device /dev/sdb1 "cp -r /home/ana/media %d ; umount 
%d"                    # successful

# devmon --exec-on-drive "cp -r /home/ana/media %d ; umount %d"         
                               # successful

# udevadm info --query=all 
--name=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:12.2-usb-0\:2\:1.0-scsi-0\:0\:0\:0-part1 
| head -n1
P: 
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.2/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host46/target46:0:0/46:0:0:0/block/sdb/sdb1

# udevadm test 
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.2/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/host46/target46:0:0/46:0:0:0/block/sdb/sdb1 
|grep usb_
[...]
creating link '/dev/usb_izquierdo' to '/dev/sdb1'
preserve already existing symlink '/dev/usb_izquierdo' to 'sdb1'
unload module index
DEVLINKS=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Kingston_DT_101_G2_001372971AEABA60561308CF-0:0-part1 
/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:12.2-usb-0:2:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0-part1 
/dev/disk/by-uuid/B1AD-E70B /dev/usb_izquierdo

# mount /dev/usb_izquierdo /mnt                                         
                                                      # successful



How can I make it work with:
devmon --exec-on-device /dev/usb_izquierdo "cp -r /home/ana/media %d ; 
umount %d"
?

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Tue Oct 16 19:49:34 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:49:34 -0500
Subject: [Dev] constructing a USB media upload and download device
In-Reply-To: <507D9D92.5040904@congresolibre.org>
References: <5072B562.5020803@congresolibre.org>
 <507D9D92.5040904@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <507DBA4E.9020404@congresolibre.org>

Please check this info and sugest changes to the 
select_device_scrip.bash script.


# udevadm info --query=all 
--name=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:12.2-usb-0\:1\:1.0-scsi-0\:0\:0\:0-part1 
| grep ID_PATH  # usb_derecho
E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:12.2-usb-0:1:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0
E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_00_12_2-usb-0_1_1_0-scsi-0_0_0_0

# udevadm info --query=all 
--name=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:12.2-usb-0\:2\:1.0-scsi-0\:0\:0\:0-part1 
| grep ID_PATH  # usb_izquierdo
E: ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:12.2-usb-0:2:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0
E: ID_PATH_TAG=pci-0000_00_12_2-usb-0_2_1_0-scsi-0_0_0_0

# nano select_device_scrip.bash
#!/bin/bash
usb_derecho="udevadm info --query=all 
--name=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:12.2-usb-0\:1\:1.0-scsi-0\:0\:0\:0-part1 
| grep ID_PATH"
usb_izquierdo = udevadm info --query=all 
--name=/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:12.2-usb-0\:2\:1.0-scsi-0\:0\:0\:0-part1 
| grep ID_PATH
if [-e usb_derecho]
rsync -a /home/ana/media %d/ ; umount %d"
elif [-e usb_derecho]
rsync -a %d/media /home/ana/ ; umount %d
fi

# devmon --exec-on-drive select_device_scrip.bash

-- 
Saludos libres,

Quiliro Ord??ez
Board Member
Free software FoundationLatiin America
Presidente
Asociaci?n de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Crist?bal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(593)8-454 8078 (desactivado temporalmente por viaje)



From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Oct 24 19:34:23 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:34:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] we'll turn three on next friday
Message-ID: <87ip9zmzpc.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


the #parabola channel was created on oct 26th \o/

-- 
http://kiwwwi.com.ar/pastes/para-cooptar-una-comunidad.markdown
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From emulatorman at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 31 00:39:22 2012
From: emulatorman at lavabit.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:39:22 -0200
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
Message-ID: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>

Hi parabolers, I received a email from duckduckgo by Prakash Swaminathan
because they want to know if it could be included on our browsers. I
answered that we have included duckduckgo as main search engine on our
browsers. So, they proposed 2 things for us. I would to put those mails
to parabola mail list to that we decide in community.

Here are the following messages:



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
Date: 	Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:18:18 +0530
From: 	Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
To: 	emulatorman at lavabit.com
CC: 	eli at duckduckgo.com



Andr?,

At DuckDuckGo, we believe that privacy
<https://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html> and better search are not mutually
exclusive.

We are available in Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Opera and can offer your
users a compelling alternative search option.

What is the process to add DuckDuckGo to Parabola?

Kind regards,
Prakash
-- 
Prakash Swaminathan,  https://duckduckgo.com/




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
Date: 	Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:19:31 -0200
From: 	Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
To: 	Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>



Prakash,

At Parabola, DuckDuckGo is our main search engine, eg: duckduckgo was
included in about:home and search bar in iceweasel-libre and icecat.
Others browsers as Konqueror-libre contains DuckDuckGo as search engine
option on our distro [0].
Other search engines as Google, Yahoo and Bing were removed in our
distro, due that they doesn't respect our privacy.
We put those modifications in a patch [1] [2] and was created a package
called mozilla-searchplugins, that includes DuckDuckGo in our plugins
list for Mozilla based browsers [3].
We believe and advocate the freedom and privacy in the computing and in
this case DuckDuckGo, Seeks and YaCy are the best search engines for our
distro.

Regards,
Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado

[0]
https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/kdebase-runtime-libre/duckduckgo_lite.desktop
[1]
https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/iceweasel-libre/libre.patch
[2]
https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/icecat/libre.patch
[3]
https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/mozilla-searchplugins/duck-duck-go-lite.xml




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
Date: 	Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:36:47 +0530
From: 	Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
To: 	Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
CC: 	eli at duckduckgo.com



Andr?,

Thanks!  Delighted to hear that we are the default search engine in
Parabola.

We offer revenue-share in two ways:
- If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
- If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would split 25% 

Would this be of interest to you?

Kind regards,
Prakash




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
Date: 	Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:22:05 -0200
From: 	Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
To: 	Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>



Prakash,

I'm very grateful by the offer that you are sending for Parabola by my
intermediation, but our distro was created by a small community of
hackers, and i think that the best way is send your offer to our mail. I
give to you the following email to that you can communicate to us:

dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org

Waiting your response soon, kind regards:
Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado




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From cer at a2c3.co  Wed Oct 31 00:57:09 2012
From: cer at a2c3.co (Charles E Roth)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:57:09 -0700
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>

I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:

1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals

2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.

CER




On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 05:39:22PM -0700, Andr?? Silva wrote:
> Hi parabolers, I received a email from duckduckgo by Prakash Swaminathan
> because they want to know if it could be included on our browsers. I
> answered that we have included duckduckgo as main search engine on our
> browsers. So, they proposed 2 things for us. I would to put those mails to
> parabola mail list to that we decide in community.
> 
> Here are the following messages:
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> 
>  Subject:  DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:18:18 +0530
>  From:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>  To:  emulatorman at lavabit.com
>  CC:  eli at duckduckgo.com
> 
> Andr?,
> 
> At DuckDuckGo, we believe that?privacy?and better search are not mutually
> exclusive.
> 
> We are available in Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Opera and can offer your
> users a compelling alternative search option.
> 
> What is the process to add DuckDuckGo to Parabola?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Prakash
> --
> 
> Prakash Swaminathan, ?https://duckduckgo.com/
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> 
>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:19:31 -0200
>  From:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>  To:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
> 
> Prakash,
> 
> At Parabola, DuckDuckGo is our main search engine, eg: duckduckgo was
> included in about:home and search bar in iceweasel-libre and icecat. Others
> browsers as Konqueror-libre contains DuckDuckGo as search engine option on
> our distro [0].
> Other search engines as Google, Yahoo and Bing were removed in our distro,
> due that they doesn't respect our privacy.
> We put those modifications in a patch [1] [2] and was created a package
> called mozilla-searchplugins, that includes DuckDuckGo in our plugins list
> for Mozilla based browsers [3].
> We believe and advocate the freedom and privacy in the computing and in this
> case DuckDuckGo, Seeks and YaCy are the best search engines for our distro.
> 
> Regards,
> Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
> 
> [0]
> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/kdebase-runtime-libre/duckduckgo_lite.desktop
> [1]
> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/iceweasel-libre/libre.patch
> [2]
> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/icecat/libre.patch
> [3]
> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/mozilla-searchplugins/duck-duck-go-lite.xml
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> 
>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>  Date:  Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:36:47 +0530
>  From:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>  To:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>  CC:  eli at duckduckgo.com
> 
> Andr?,
> 
> Thanks! ?Delighted to hear that we are the default search engine in
> Parabola.
> 
> We offer revenue-share in two ways:
> 
> - If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
> 
> - If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would split 25%?
> 
> Would this be of interest to you?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Prakash
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> 
>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:22:05 -0200
>  From:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>  To:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
> 
> Prakash,
> 
> I'm very grateful by the offer that you are sending for Parabola by my
> intermediation, but our distro was created by a small community of
> hackers, and i think that the best way is send your offer to our mail. I
> give to you the following email to that you can communicate to us:
> 
> dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> 
> Waiting your response soon, kind regards:
> Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
> 



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective & Curious Antiquary
Primary email: cer at a2c3.co
XMPP/Jabber/GTalk: cer at parlementum
Micro: @encycl
About: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom

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From jim at jimmorgan.us  Wed Oct 31 02:19:45 2012
From: jim at jimmorgan.us (Jim Morgan)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:19:45 -0700
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
 <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
Message-ID: <bde15752-7d84-4604-ae99-afa2c2b2fea0@email.android.com>


Pending details on how it will work, I can't think of any objections. I do agree with Charles' suggestion and believe it should be implemented.

/j

Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> wrote:

>I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>
>1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy & 
>freedom goals
>
>2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
>
>CER
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 05:39:22PM -0700, Andr?? Silva wrote:
>> Hi parabolers, I received a email from duckduckgo by Prakash
>Swaminathan
>> because they want to know if it could be included on our browsers. I
>> answered that we have included duckduckgo as main search engine on
>our
>> browsers. So, they proposed 2 things for us. I would to put those
>mails to
>> parabola mail list to that we decide in community.
>> 
>> Here are the following messages:
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> 
>>  Subject:  DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:18:18 +0530
>>  From:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>>  To:  emulatorman at lavabit.com
>>  CC:  eli at duckduckgo.com
>> 
>> Andr?,
>> 
>> At DuckDuckGo, we believe that?privacy?and better search are not
>mutually
>> exclusive.
>> 
>> We are available in Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Opera and can offer
>your
>> users a compelling alternative search option.
>> 
>> What is the process to add DuckDuckGo to Parabola?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Prakash
>> --
>> 
>> Prakash Swaminathan, ?https://duckduckgo.com/
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> 
>>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:19:31 -0200
>>  From:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>>  To:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>> 
>> Prakash,
>> 
>> At Parabola, DuckDuckGo is our main search engine, eg: duckduckgo was
>> included in about:home and search bar in iceweasel-libre and icecat.
>Others
>> browsers as Konqueror-libre contains DuckDuckGo as search engine
>option on
>> our distro [0].
>> Other search engines as Google, Yahoo and Bing were removed in our
>distro,
>> due that they doesn't respect our privacy.
>> We put those modifications in a patch [1] [2] and was created a
>package
>> called mozilla-searchplugins, that includes DuckDuckGo in our plugins
>list
>> for Mozilla based browsers [3].
>> We believe and advocate the freedom and privacy in the computing and
>in this
>> case DuckDuckGo, Seeks and YaCy are the best search engines for our
>distro.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
>> 
>> [0]
>>
>https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/kdebase-runtime-libre/duckduckgo_lite.desktop
>> [1]
>>
>https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/iceweasel-libre/libre.patch
>> [2]
>>
>https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/icecat/libre.patch
>> [3]
>>
>https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/mozilla-searchplugins/duck-duck-go-lite.xml
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> 
>>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>>  Date:  Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:36:47 +0530
>>  From:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>>  To:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>>  CC:  eli at duckduckgo.com
>> 
>> Andr?,
>> 
>> Thanks! ?Delighted to hear that we are the default search engine in
>> Parabola.
>> 
>> We offer revenue-share in two ways:
>> 
>> - If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
>> 
>> - If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would
>split 25%?
>> 
>> Would this be of interest to you?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Prakash
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> 
>>  Subject:  Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
>>  Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:22:05 -0200
>>  From:  Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
>>  To:  Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>
>> 
>> Prakash,
>> 
>> I'm very grateful by the offer that you are sending for Parabola by
>my
>> intermediation, but our distro was created by a small community of
>> hackers, and i think that the best way is send your offer to our
>mail. I
>> give to you the following email to that you can communicate to us:
>> 
>> dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> 
>> Waiting your response soon, kind regards:
>> Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
>> 
>
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

-- 
Jim Morgan
EMAIL/XMPP/STATUSNET: jim at jimmorgan.us
GPG PUB KEY: 44520AC6
HOME: https://www.jimmorgan.us
BLOG: https:/blog.jimmorgan.us


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Oct 31 03:41:17 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:41:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
 <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
Message-ID: <87y5inmhpe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> writes:

> I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>
> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>
> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.

+1 only if the profit is used to promote my freedom from work :P

what are we going to do with the moneys?

-- 
http://kiwwwi.com.ar/pastes/para-cooptar-una-comunidad.markdown
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From emulatorman at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 31 03:54:33 2012
From: emulatorman at lavabit.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:54:33 -0200
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <87y5inmhpe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
 <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
 <87y5inmhpe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <5090A0F9.8010403@lavabit.com>

On 10/31/2012 01:41 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> writes:
>
>> I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>>
>> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>>
>> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
> +1 only if the profit is used to promote my freedom from work :P
>
> what are we going to do with the moneys?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
+1 to the Charles's proposal and concerning the money, i think that is a
good idea distribute it among the Parabola's community hackers :P
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From coadde at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 31 04:06:16 2012
From: coadde at lavabit.com (coadde)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:06:16 -0200
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
 <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
Message-ID: <5090A3B8.9080708@lavabit.com>

Em 30-10-2012 22:57, Charles E Roth escreveu:
> I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>
> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>
> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
>
> CER
+1



From cer at a2c3.co  Wed Oct 31 04:10:49 2012
From: cer at a2c3.co (Charles E Roth)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
Message-ID: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>

Use the $ for services and a scholarship for someone to learn django haha

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com> wrote:

>On 10/31/2012 01:41 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> writes:
>>
>>> I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>>>
>>> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>>>
>>> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
>> +1 only if the profit is used to promote my freedom from work :P
>>
>> what are we going to do with the moneys?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>+1 to the Charles's proposal and concerning the money, i think that is a
>good idea distribute it among the Parabola's community hackers :P
>
>_______________________________________________
>Dev mailing list
>Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From aurelien at cwb.io  Wed Oct 31 06:47:41 2012
From: aurelien at cwb.io (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:47:41 +0100
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>
 (Charles E. Roth's message of "Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:10:49 -0700")
References: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io>

"Charles E Roth" <cer at a2c3.co> writes:

> Use the $ for services and a scholarship for someone to learn django
> haha
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/31/2012 01:41 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote: 
>
>     Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> writes:
>
>     
>         I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>
> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>
> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
>
>     
> +1 only if the profit is used to promote my freedom from work :P
>
> what are we going to do with the moneys?
>


Maybe it should be better to use the money for Parabola itself for
better machine, better services.

Then if it rest a bit of money, for machine for hackers of Parabola,
like it have be done with the mips.

And then if it really rest a bit of money ... ok for money to Parabola
Hackers.


-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES
Ride Free! Ride GNU.org


From emulatorman at lavabit.com  Wed Oct 31 06:52:27 2012
From: emulatorman at lavabit.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFNpbHZh?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:52:27 -0200
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io>
References: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>
 <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io>
Message-ID: <5090CAAB.4030102@lavabit.com>

On 10/31/2012 04:47 AM, Aur?lien wrote:
> "Charles E Roth" <cer at a2c3.co> writes:
>
>> Use the $ for services and a scholarship for someone to learn django
>> haha
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/31/2012 01:41 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote: 
>>
>>     Charles E Roth <cer at a2c3.co> writes:
>>
>>     
>>         I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>>
>> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &  freedom goals
>>
>> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.
>>
>>     
>> +1 only if the profit is used to promote my freedom from work :P
>>
>> what are we going to do with the moneys?
>>
>
> Maybe it should be better to use the money for Parabola itself for
> better machine, better services.
>
> Then if it rest a bit of money, for machine for hackers of Parabola,
> like it have be done with the mips.
>
> And then if it really rest a bit of money ... ok for money to Parabola
> Hackers.
>
>

I think that use the money to get mips machines to the hackers to
maintain mips version for Parabola is a excellent idea. eg: my brother
(coadde) and me want to maintain for mips too, but due that we don't
have mips arquitecture, it is impossible do it.

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct 31 07:29:57 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:29:57 +0100
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain> (Charles
 E. Roth's message of "Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:57:09 -0700")
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
 <20121031005707.GA18785@chrysophylax.my.domain>
Message-ID: <87objjgkui.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I think the REVENUE SHARING idea is fine if:
>
> 1) We make clear to DDG they have to continue to meet our privacy &
> freedom goals

This includes making their JavaScript free so we would recommend their
main search site, not the Lite one?

> 2) We disclose on the Wiki the arrangement.

3) We find what to do with the revenue.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct 31 07:36:14 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:36:14 +0100
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien=22's?=
 message of "Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:47:41 +0100")
References: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>
 <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io>
Message-ID: <87hapbgkk1.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Maybe it should be better to use the money for Parabola itself for
> better machine, better services.

I see no need for this if the current VPS and mirror donors will
continue supporting us.  Or do you want e.g. a build server?

> Then if it rest a bit of money, for machine for hackers of Parabola,
> like it have be done with the mips.

When is this needed?  Ports to exotic expensive hardware might be a
case, we don't have many.

> And then if it really rest a bit of money ... ok for money to Parabola
> Hackers.

We could offer it for fixing some important bugs or nontrivial porting
of packages to mips64el.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Oct 31 07:43:34 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:43:34 +0100
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <5090CAAB.4030102@lavabit.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:52:27 -0200")
References: <6nrw2pt7xj58odmdshgt1hr6.1351656649159@email.android.com>
 <87pq3zt9wy.fsf@cwb.io> <5090CAAB.4030102@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <87d2zzgk7t.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I think that use the money to get mips machines to the hackers to
> maintain mips version for Parabola is a excellent idea. eg: my brother
> (coadde) and me want to maintain for mips too, but due that we don't
> have mips arquitecture, it is impossible do it.

I much often read that people have YeeLoongs and are not able to
contribute.  When I don't leave the YeeLoong turned off for a month and
it builds packages, we sometimes don't have outdated packages that don't
fail build or are not ported.

You can help without a mips64el machine:

- many packages fail on all arches due to changes in other packages, you
  can fix them in abslibre-mips64el to build on x86_64

- some packages can be crosscompiled or run in a virtual machine, this
  might be ok for porting e.g. gccgo (using the virtual machine only to
  run the go programs)

- some packages are tools that can run on other hosts, e.g. gold or
  elfutils

We could also offer access to remote mips64el machines, like gNewSense
does.
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From aurelien at cwb.io  Wed Oct 31 09:42:40 2012
From: aurelien at cwb.io (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:42:40 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Parabola in the motd and / or Emacs scratch
Message-ID: <87d2zzt1tb.fsf@cwb.io>



Hi,

I have try to bring a touch of design ...




       ___      ___      ___     ___     ___     ___     ___    ___
      /\  \    /\  \    /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\__\  /\  \
     /  \  \  /  \  \  /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ / /  / /  \  \
    / /\ \  \/ /\ \  \/ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /  / / /\ \  \
   /  \ \ \__\ \ \ \__\ \ \ \__\\ \ \__\\_\ \__\  \ \__\  / /  \ \ \__\
  / /\ \/ /  /  \/ /  /\ \/ /  / \/ /  /  __/__/  / /  / / /    \/ /  /
 / /  \__/__/\    /  /  |  /__/    /  /\ \  \/   / /  / / / /\    /  /
/ /  /   / /  \  /  /  /| |  | \  /  /  \ \__\  / /  /_/ / /  \  /  /
\/__/    \/__// /  /__/ | |  | / /  / \_/ /  /\/ /  /  \ \/__// /  /
             / /  /     | |  |/ /  /\    /  /\  /  / \__\    / /  /
             \/__/       \|__|\/__/  \__/__/  \/__/ \/__/    \/__/



        Hackers of the World Join Us!

                    Http://www.parabolagnulinux.org





This could be used from motd, emacs scractch to mailing list ...


-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES
Ride Free! Ride GNU.org


From aurelien at cwb.io  Wed Oct 31 10:18:08 2012
From: aurelien at cwb.io (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Parabola in the motd and / or Emacs scratch
In-Reply-To: <87d2zzt1tb.fsf@cwb.io> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien=22's?=
 message of "Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:42:40 +0100")
References: <87d2zzt1tb.fsf@cwb.io>
Message-ID: <878vant067.fsf@cwb.io>

aurelien at cwb.io (Aur?lien) writes:

> Hi,
>
> I have try to bring a touch of design ...
>
>
>
>
>        ___      ___      ___     ___     ___     ___     ___    ___
>       /\  \    /\  \    /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\__\  /\  \
>      /  \  \  /  \  \  /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ / /  / /  \  \
>     / /\ \  \/ /\ \  \/ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /  / / /\ \  \
>    /  \ \ \__\ \ \ \__\ \ \ \__\\ \ \__\\_\ \__\  \ \__\  / /  \ \ \__\
>   / /\ \/ /  /  \/ /  /\ \/ /  / \/ /  /  __/__/  / /  / / /    \/ /  /
>  / /  \__/__/\    /  /  |  /__/    /  /\ \  \/   / /  / / / /\    /  /
> / /  /   / /  \  /  /  /| |  | \  /  /  \ \__\  / /  /_/ / /  \  /  /
> \/__/    \/__// /  /__/ | |  | / /  / \_/ /  /\/ /  /  \ \/__// /  /
>              / /  /     | |  |/ /  /\    /  /\  /  / \__\    / /  /
>              \/__/       \|__|\/__/  \__/__/  \/__/ \/__/    \/__/
>
>
>
>         Hackers of the World Join Us!
>
>                     Http://www.parabolagnulinux.org
>
>
>
>
>
> This could be used from motd, emacs scractch to mailing list ...

Another version with the A and B improved





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      /\  \    /\  \    /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\  \   /\__\  /\  \
     /  \  \  /  \  \  /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ /  \  \ / /  / /  \  \
    / /\ \  \/ /\ \  \/ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /\ \  \ /  / / /\ \  \
   /  \ \ \__\/  \ \__\ \ \ \__\  \ \__\\_\ \__\  \ \__\  / / /  \ \__\
  / /\ \/ /  /\  / /  /\ \/ /  /  / /  /  __/__/  / /  / / /  \  / /  /
 / /  \__/__/\ \/ /  /  |  /__/ \/ /  /\ \  \/   / /  / / / /\ \/ /  /
/ /  /   / /  \  /  /  /| |  | \  /  /  \ \__\  / /  /_/ / /  \  /  /
\/__/    \/__// /  /__/ | |  | / /  /\  / /  /\/ /  /  \ \/__// /  /
             / /  /     | |  |/ /  /\ \/ /  /\  /  / \__\    / /  /
             \/__/       \|__|\/__/  \__/__/  \/__/ \/__/    \/__/



        Hackers of the World Join Us!

                    Http://www.parabolagnulinux.org





-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES
Ride Free! Ride GNU.org


From mvdan at mvdan.cc  Wed Oct 31 15:12:50 2012
From: mvdan at mvdan.cc (Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=ED?=)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:12:50 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Public key
Message-ID: <20121031151250.GA3986@royal>

Hello dev list,

As requested in [1] I'm attaching to this e-mail my openssh public key. I look
forward to contributing to the project :)

Cheers.

[1] https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Package_maintainer_guide
-- 
Daniel Mart? - mvdan at mvdan.cc - GPG 0x58BF72C3
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 31 22:28:35 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T. Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:28:35 -0400
Subject: [Dev] About DuckDuckGo offer to Parabola...
In-Reply-To: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
References: <5090733A.1000707@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <87ehkecm3w.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com> wrote:
> Thanks!  Delighted to hear that we are the default search engine in
> Parabola.
> 
> We offer revenue-share in two ways:
> - If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
> - If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would split 25% 
> 
> Would this be of interest to you?

I believe that some things need clarified:

 1. By default, we include "Duck Duck Go (Lite)", *not*
    "Duck Duck Go". The non-lite DDG was formerly included, but
    removed because it did not meet our policies (point 3 below).

    It was my understanding that an effort had been made to work with
    you to meet our policies before it was removed.  If not, we would
    love to start now.
 
 2. Does DDG Lite qualify for revenue sharing? AFAICT, DDG Lite does
    not include ads, so I would assume "no".

 3. In order for the non-lite DDG to be included in Parabola, all
    JavaScript used must be available under a Free Software license,
    as defined by the FSF.  Preferrably, it also should get through
    the LibreJS browser plugin[1].

[1] <http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/>.

Happy hacking,
~ Luke Shumaker


From prakash at duckduckgo.com  Wed Oct 31 04:52:22 2012
From: prakash at duckduckgo.com (Prakash Swaminathan)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:22:22 +0530
Subject: [Dev] DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
In-Reply-To: <50906F2D.20606@lavabit.com>
References: <CAB1_LYNPD5mgXO=M3dZ_KMSkxh9rKHGO4e7oQSp=SQrJWcpLeg@mail.gmail.com>
 <50900C23.6090606@lavabit.com>
 <CAB1_LYMoh4+YFHbYHBso6_dnLRRN2efPHf5cxqBSUvOERRCRdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <50906F2D.20606@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <CAB1_LYPd64c_+hB9rxT96OTCtPYYj3uY6gs4K=RR522SwODUpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

At DuckDuckGo, we believe that privacy
<https://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html> and
better search are not mutually exclusive.

We are available in Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Opera and offer revenue-share
in two ways:
 - If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
 - If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would split 25%

Would this interest the Parabola team?

Thanks,
Prakash


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Andr? Silva <emulatorman at lavabit.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: DuckDuckGo as a search option in Parabola
To: Prakash Swaminathan <prakash at duckduckgo.com>


On 10/30/2012 05:06 PM, Prakash Swaminathan wrote:
> Andr?,
>
> Thanks!  Delighted to hear that we are the default search engine in
> Parabola.
>
> We offer revenue-share in two ways:
> - If DuckDuckGo is the default search engine we split revenue 50-50%
> - If DuckDuckGo is an option among other search engines, we would
> split 25%
>
> Would this be of interest to you?
>
> Kind regards,
> Prakash
>

Prakash,

I'm very grateful by the offer that you are sending for Parabola by my
intermediation, but our distro was created by a small community of
hackers, and i think that the best way is send your offer to our mail. I
give to you the following email to that you can communicate to us:

dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org

Waiting your response soon, kind regards:
Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado




-- 
Prakash Swaminathan,  https://duckduckgo.com/
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