From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Jan  2 04:58:44 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (aloniv (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:58:44 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue332] [handbrake]Non-free encoder FAAC is used
Message-ID: <1325480324.55.0.99106879282.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from aloniv:

Please remove this encoder from the package or replace it by a free one.

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keyword: packages, unfree
messages: 1229
nosy: aloniv, dev_list
priority: critical
status: unread
title: [handbrake]Non-free encoder FAAC is used

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Jan  2 09:03:20 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Peter Czanik (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:03:20 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1325495000.27.0.989735525101.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Peter Czanik added the comment:

Just a quick note: we (syslog-ng upstream) are already aware of the issue. I'll
come back to you once I know the time frame better this afternoon (when I talked
to the documentation team).
PS: next time please contact upstream before starting to work on such a change.
This time we learned about your problem just by accident...

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Jan  2 14:46:29 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:46:29 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue332] [handbrake]Non-free encoder FAAC is used
In-Reply-To: <1325480324.55.0.99106879282.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1325515589.39.0.196659662684.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

Could you be more specific? I'm looking at handbrake's PKGBUILD and it doesn't
mention faac anywhere. Is it included in the source?

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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  2 20:35:29 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (Jorge Lopez)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Dev] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mis_datos_personales_para_la_secci=F3n_hacke?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?rs?=
Message-ID: <4F021511.3030408@adinet.com.uy>

Name: 	Jorge L?pez Seijas
Alias: 	Jorginho
Email: 	jorginho at adinet.com.uy
Other Contact: 	IRC: cyberspeed (domain:cyberspeed.sytes.net)
PGP Key: 	Unknown
Roles: 	Parabola Hacker, Wiki editor and translator
Website: 	
Occupation: 	To learn about GNU/Linux and high school's student
YOB: 	1994
Location: 	Santiago de Compostela - Galicia - Spain
Languages: 	Galician, Spanish, (little) Portuguese and (little) English
Interests: 	Free software, computer science and politics
Favorite Distros: 	Parabola and Trisquel

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Jan  3 08:46:02 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (aloniv (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue332] [handbrake]Non-free encoder FAAC is used
In-Reply-To: <1325480324.55.0.99106879282.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1325580362.46.0.317306222795.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>


aloniv added the comment:

When I ran Handbrake the option to encode AAC audio via FAAC was available in the menus.
Handbrake is aware of the problems regarding FAAC's licensing. See for example this link:
https://trac.handbrake.fr/ticket/127

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From cer at parlementum.net  Tue Jan  3 08:47:30 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:47:30 -0800
Subject: [Dev] domain transfer is started
Message-ID: <20120103084730.GC1408@SPQR>

From Name.com:

Dear encyclomundi,                                                           
                                                      
Thank you for choosing Name.com for your domain registration services.
                                                                                                                                                   
Account User Name: encyclomundi                                
Invoice ID: 4078432                                                      
Invoice Amount: $7.99           
                                                                
ORDER SUMMARY:                      
?TYPE?  ?TERMS? ?PRICE? ?STATUS?        ?ITEM?                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                       
        ?Domain Transfer?                                                                                                                              
        ?1 year(s)?                                                                                                                                    
        ?$7.99?                                                                                                                                        
        ?Success?                                                                                                                                      
        ?parabolagnulinux.org?                                                                                                                         
                                    

Cheers,
Charles
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan  3 13:51:21 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:51:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] domain transfer is started
In-Reply-To: <20120103084730.GC1408@SPQR>
References: <20120103084730.GC1408@SPQR>
Message-ID: <878vloc2sm.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:47:30 -0800, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> From Name.com:
> 
> Dear encyclomundi,                                                           
>                                                       
> Thank you for choosing Name.com for your domain registration services.

tsolar just said in the channel that godaddy "was unable to authorize
the transfer"
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan  3 15:05:03 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:05:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [gnu] repo created
Message-ID: <8739bwbzds.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

Emulatorman asked me if we can add gnun to our repos, so I did, on a
[gnu] meant for packages used by gnu.org contributors and probably other
less know gnu software :)

to add it on pacman.conf:

[gnu]
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Jan  3 16:14:17 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:14:17 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue332] [handbrake]Non-free encoder FAAC is used
In-Reply-To: <1325480324.55.0.99106879282.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1325607257.46.0.713517646373.issue332@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

I'll blacklist it for now and provide a package without it, but it would we
better to reopen that ticket if ff-aac can be used after 1.5y. I couldn't find a
way to comment though.

Adding encyclomundi since he's making a template for reporting freedom issues
upstream :)

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Jan  5 02:39:55 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:39:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Daniel Clark] [loongson-dev] Selecting an operating system
	for your new Lemote Yeeloong
Message-ID: <87d3ay98jo.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

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Just wrote this up as a draft of the main options for operating systems on
the Yeeloong. Would be interested in feedback, also thought it might be
useful to others. (Note that this list purposefully only includes
distributions that are easy for English-only speakers to install/use.)

Also, anyone know if there is documentation for the yeeloong "tab rescue"
(re)installation mechanism?

*Selecting an operating system for your new Lemote Yeeloong*


 In most cases your laptop is shipped as-is from the factory in China. You
may not want to use the pre-installed operating system. This document goes
over most of the options that are relatively easy for non-developers to
install and use.


 Unless otherwise noted, all of the below instructions require a USB key
formatted with the ext2 file system.

 1. *Rescue Media*


 It is useful to have a USB key you can boot from if something goes wrong.


 Download http://dev.lemote.com/files/resource/download/rescue/rescue-yland
put that file on the base directory of a USB key.


 Insert the USB key in your Yeeloong.


 Turn on the Yeeloong and press the ?Del? key to get to the PMON 2000 (BSD
licensed boot firmware, called BIOS on x86 systems) command line.


 Load it via usb from the PMON command line:

load /dev/fs/ext2 at usb0/rescue-yl

g console=tty root=/dev/sda1 rootdelay=8


 You have now a working rescue system with Busybox.



 2. *Parabola GNU/Linux*


 Due to being on the GNU free distributions list -
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html - this is the operating system
currently recommended for use on the Lemote Yeeloong by Freedom Included.


 Install instructions are available from
https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/MIPS_Installation


 You will need to have another operating system running before installing
Parabola. Due to the gNewSense installer being broken, it is probably
easiest to do the install with Rescue Media (see above) or the Chinese
variant of Debian GNU/Linux (see below).


 Freedom Included, Inc. donated Yeeloongs to some Parabolla developers to
help make this port possible.


 3. *Gentoo GNU/Linux*


 Gentoo is probably the fastest current distribution. Freedom Included also
helped this project; we hope the work will eventually be ported over to the
fully free Ututo variant of Gentoo.


 The Gentoo handbooks - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/ - explain
how to do the install. All stages are available in the
experimental/mips/stages/ directory of Gentoo mirrors, for example
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/mips/stages/


 You can track up-to-the-minute work at the git repository -

http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/loongson.git;a=summary



 4. *Debian GNU/Linux* (BJLX / Chinese variant)


 This section describes how to install Debian modified for the Yeeloong by
the Beijing Loongson & Debian Users Club.


 Note that mainline Debian is working on supporting the Yeeloong / Loongson
at this point, but as of January 2012 this Chinese distribution seems to be
much easier to install and to work better.


 The (slight) Debian variant at
http://www.anheng.com.cn/loongson/install/uses the Yeeloong's built-in
tab recovery mode to install - so you just put
a USB key in your Yeeloong with the latest vmlinux and .lzma files and
press tab at bootup when prompted, and then answer some questions.


 Note that after the install you'll need to take a few minutes to change
the default language from Chinese to your native language. :-)

 Here is an example of the full install process; you'll want to visit the
web site to make sure that the 2011-10-10 image is still the most recent
install image before you do your install. We recommend the LXDE image as it
uses substantially fewer computing resources than Gnome.


 wget \

http://www.anheng.com.cn/loongson/install/loongson2_debian6_lxde_20111010.tar.lzma


 wget \

http://www.anheng.com.cn/loongson/install/vmlinux


 (become root)


 Format a USB stick with the ext2 file system and copy the vmlinux and
.lzma file(s) over to it, and then safely remove it from the computer.


 Insert the USB stick into the Yeeloong and turn on the Yeeloong. In reply
to prompts do:

?Press Tab to recover? -> press Tab

?Press U to USB recover? -> press U

?Press C to continue? -> press C

?Press Y to recover? -> press Y

And then answer the questions you are asked.


 After the install is done press ?Enter?, machine should power off. After
that, power the machine back on.


 After a short wait you'll be on the LXDE main screen, but most things will
be in Chinese.


 To change to English,

a. Open the LXDE main menu by clicking on the icon on the lower left-hand
side of the screen

b. Select the 4th item from the bottom with the right angle and scissors
icon

c. Select the option second from the top named ?LX? with the icon of a
computer monitor next to it.

A terminal window should open.


 Type ?sudo -i? to become root; now would be a good time to do ?passwd? to
change your root password, so you can recover more easily should anything
go wrong.


 Do ?dpkg-reonfigure locales? and deselect all of the options starting with
?zh_? and choose ?Ok?. When prompted to choose a default locale on the next
screen, choose ?en_US.UTF-8?.


 Now do ?shutdown -r now? - after your system reboots, everything should be
in English.


 Note you may need to press Fn-F5 in order to turn on wifi and then wait a
few seconds before wifi / the network-manager tray icon will work.


 5. *OpenBSD*


 If you prefer *BSD operating systems, take a look at
http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html



 6. *NixOS GNU/Linux*


 There is a version of the NixOS - http://nixos.org/nixos/ - that works on
the Lemote Fuloong mini-pc, a computer that uses the same processor as the
Lemote Yeeloong netbook.


 (Freedom Included donated Fuloongs to the NixOS development team when it
looked like we'd be able to sell them in bulk in the US, which turned out
not to be the case.)


 If you want a project and are an experienced GNU/Linux developer, you
could get it running on the Yeeloong if you'd like to spend some time. See
http://nixos.org/wiki/Multiplatform_NixOS and the NixOS mailing list
archives.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Jan  5 15:35:14 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:35:14 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola article on Wikipedia ES is about to be deleted
Message-ID: <87wr966u31.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

It's in deletion process:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Parabola_GNU-Linux
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan  5 16:15:45 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:15:45 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1325780145.83.0.735267279421.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

czanik: any news on this?

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From cer at parlementum.net  Thu Jan  5 16:31:09 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:31:09 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Parabola article on Wikipedia ES is about to be deleted
In-Reply-To: <87wr966u31.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87wr966u31.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120105163109.GD27911@SPQR>

get as many Spanish speakers as you can to object on the talk page to it being deleted.

Also use the export page feature to move a copy to the parabola wiki, I will also move a copy to my wiki.


CER

On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 12:35:14PM -0300, fauno wrote:
> It's in deletion process:
> 
> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Parabola_GNU-Linux



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
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Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan  5 21:48:55 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Peter Czanik (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:48:55 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1325800135.4.0.738194517492.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Peter Czanik added the comment:

Should be fixed in the coming weeks with the next minor release.

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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Thu Jan  5 23:26:02 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Parabola article on Wikipedia ES is about to be deleted
In-Reply-To: <20120105163109.GD27911@SPQR>
References: <87wr966u31.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <20120105163109.GD27911@SPQR>
Message-ID: <4F06318A.2000507@congresolibre.org>

El 05/01/12 11:31, Charles Roth escribi?:
> get as many Spanish speakers as you can to object on the talk page to it being deleted.
>
> Also use the export page feature to move a copy to the parabola wiki, I will also move a copy to my wiki.
>
>
> CER
>
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 12:35:14PM -0300, fauno wrote:
>> It's in deletion process:
>>
>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Parabola_GNU-Linux
>

It's better if we satisfy the requirements. The librarians usually do 
not listen to reasoning. The only thing they do is search for compliance.


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Jan  5 23:56:39 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:56:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola article on Wikipedia ES is about to be deleted
In-Reply-To: <4F06318A.2000507@congresolibre.org>
References: <87wr966u31.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <20120105163109.GD27911@SPQR>
 <4F06318A.2000507@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <87fwft7lfs.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:26:02 -0500, Quiliro Ord??ez <quiliro at congresolibre.org> wrote:
> El 05/01/12 11:31, Charles Roth escribi?:
> > get as many Spanish speakers as you can to object on the talk page to it being deleted.
> >
> > Also use the export page feature to move a copy to the parabola wiki, I will also move a copy to my wiki.
> >
> >
> > CER
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 12:35:14PM -0300, fauno wrote:
> >> It's in deletion process:
> >>
> >> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Parabola_GNU-Linux
> >
> 
> It's better if we satisfy the requirements. The librarians usually do 
> not listen to reasoning. The only thing they do is search for compliance.

It looks like it stays. Only one wikipedist voted for removal while
several voted in our favor and we wrote something more with BreadMaker.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Jan  6 03:48:43 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:48:43 -0300
Subject: [Dev] suggestion for refering to default browser on
	documentation/wiki
Message-ID: <87boqh7ap0.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

use `xdg-open %u` (the parameter may change) when you have to refer to a
browser, this will avoid branding (using firefox when it's
blacklisted or icecat or iceweasel, etc.)
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From dclark at pobox.com  Fri Jan  6 04:43:09 2012
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Asking for support for a Parabola GNU/Linux-libre mipsel
	port
In-Reply-To: <20111206202950.GT2011@ponape.bal>
References: <AANLkTi=TSXArNsUVFfoUum5yAXXvX4ABZ8-SM5fjJSQ8@mail.gmail.com>
 <AANLkTimkGwKpm4N-w3An6RSRNCC_EaVP=8XaRerHLfbN@mail.gmail.com>
 <AANLkTimFi8L3aKN9p-KE-ENL2D1TrbAN=JO2p-t3nF+R@mail.gmail.com>
 <AANLkTikP2aULAE6P4piS9ZfmoW8dhHeG2AgUdqQKmTez@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+VYMuYmZVknXvyudYZU5SzL8LjfNKSYtc7UUtCGvbH4ei8r3A@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111028043358.GO2011@ponape.bal>
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 <20111028131518.GP2011@ponape.bal>
 <CA+VYMuYUb6hr8txv_U3do+sxSZn_SdGUmAeY8gaE_44Zsz0kAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+VYMuYMs=k-SpvLirFT1=4pVG=Y+6L5RzeArbqfUFAao7UEtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111206202950.GT2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <CA+VYMubH3=fLjdc3ZmD9JoC0XS35Dsbe1RfpgL3yTff6vHjvxQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>wrote:

> El 21/11/11 09:25, Daniel Clark dijo:
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Freedom Included
> > <info at freedomincluded.com>wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
> >wrote:
> > >
> > >> El 28/10/11 01:08, Freedom Included dijo:
> > >> >
> > >> > Sounds pretty good. Is
> > >> http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/MIPS_Installation up
> > >> > to date / working? If so I'll try an install sometime :-)
> > >>
> > >> Yes, though the base tarball needs update. We can solve this today
> anyway
> > >> :D
> > >
> > >
> > > Sweet! Tell me when the new base tarball is up so I can try an install.
> > >
> >
> > Any news on the new base tarball becoming available?
>
> We have fixed the issues detailed by Michal, you can use the instructions
> from
> the wiki to try it!


Could people who like their setup feed me their package lists, either here
or on the discussion page on the wiki?

It looks like this pipeline will do it:

comm -23 <(pacman -Qeq|sort) <(pacman -Qmq|sort) > pkglist

Thanks,
-Danny
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Jan  6 18:12:51 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:12:51 -0300
Subject: [Dev] linux-libre-3.2 on [libre-testing]
Message-ID: <87ipko66os.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

please build for x86_64

(also test!)
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From joe at t67.eu  Sat Jan  7 09:37:43 2012
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:37:43 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Website
Message-ID: <87aa5zam54.fsf@yeeloong.t67.eu>

Why does the main page still not mention our mipsel port? It implies we
only have i686 and x86-64. And what happened to those cool logos that
guy drew us ages ago?

xylon


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Jan  7 15:33:49 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:33:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Website
In-Reply-To: <87aa5zam54.fsf@yeeloong.t67.eu>
References: <87aa5zam54.fsf@yeeloong.t67.eu>
Message-ID: <877h135xya.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:37:43 +0000, Joseph Graham <joe at t67.eu> wrote:
> Why does the main page still not mention our mipsel port? It implies we
> only have i686 and x86-64. And what happened to those cool logos that
> guy drew us ages ago?

open bug reports and assign them to our wonderful parabolaweb team?
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From cer at parlementum.net  Sat Jan  7 15:53:31 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 07:53:31 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Website
In-Reply-To: <877h135xya.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87aa5zam54.fsf@yeeloong.t67.eu>
 <877h135xya.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120107155331.GA1362@SPQR.nomadix.com>

The main wiki page mentions mipsel maybe that text could be used/modified


On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 12:33:49PM -0300, fauno wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:37:43 +0000, Joseph Graham <joe at t67.eu> wrote:
> > Why does the main page still not mention our mipsel port? It implies we
> > only have i686 and x86-64. And what happened to those cool logos that
> > guy drew us ages ago?
> 
> open bug reports and assign them to our wonderful parabolaweb team?



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


-- 
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Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan  8 03:30:22 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:30:22 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue336] sauerbraten-data contains unfree data and
 sauerbraten depends on it
Message-ID: <1325993422.28.0.0335614436213.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Nicol?s Reynolds:

can you provide some specifics?

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status: unread -> chatting

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan  8 10:35:46 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 10:35:46 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue336] sauerbraten-data contains unfree data and
 sauerbraten depends on it
In-Reply-To: <1325993422.28.0.0335614436213.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1326018946.63.0.990998139564.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Huge number of non-commercial (e.g. CC-BY-NC-SA 2.5) or non-modifiable data
files.  I recommend blacklisting.

____________________________________________________
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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue336>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan  8 13:10:36 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 13:10:36 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue336] sauerbraten-data contains unfree data and
 sauerbraten depends on it
In-Reply-To: <1325993422.28.0.0335614436213.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1326028236.59.0.782687779172.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

is it possible to make a sauerbraten-data-libre? (or a campaign for making libre
data for games for that matter)

____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue336>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan  8 13:13:42 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 13:13:42 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue336] sauerbraten-data contains unfree data and
 sauerbraten depends on it
In-Reply-To: <1325993422.28.0.0335614436213.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1326028422.66.0.32519536185.issue336@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

blacklisted both

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  9 02:56:43 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 00:56:43 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
 Installation/Precursor OS" article
Message-ID: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>

This discussion is about that an user put an article that recommends
Debian to install as precursor operating system. How to all knows,
Debian is a non-free distro don't recommended by FSF (
http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ), but as in this case is
being used as precursor OS, we decided open a discussion, and you could
to help us to make a decision:

1. Vote to eliminate this article completely, because it threatening the
freedom.

2. Vote to keep it like this.

3. Vote to improve this article eliminating non-free contents and puts
an alternative for it.




From cer at parlementum.net  Mon Jan  9 04:05:31 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 20:05:31 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
 Installation/Precursor OS" article
In-Reply-To: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <20120109040531.GB1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>

I vote for option 3 and/or let's develop an ISO for a free precursor OS for people to use.



On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:56:43AM -0200, Andr? Silva wrote:
> This discussion is about that an user put an article that recommends
> Debian to install as precursor operating system. How to all knows,
> Debian is a non-free distro don't recommended by FSF (
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ), but as in this case is
> being used as precursor OS, we decided open a discussion, and you could
> to help us to make a decision:
> 
> 1. Vote to eliminate this article completely, because it threatening the
> freedom.
> 
> 2. Vote to keep it like this.
> 
> 3. Vote to improve this article eliminating non-free contents and puts
> an alternative for it.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 

-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
"Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"

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From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Jan  9 04:30:41 2012
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
 Installation/Precursor OS" article
In-Reply-To: <20120109040531.GB1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
References: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
 <20120109040531.GB1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
Message-ID: <CA+VYMuZX7aK7N9OYjkLW9Ly91338L1RQnb0OvCF7JPY9kheNdg@mail.gmail.com>

So I think the people who have parabola installed probably used the
gNewSense installer or got a yeeloong pre-installed with gNewSense from my
company. Unfortunately the gNewSense installer is currently broken and has
been for quite a while. So I don't think there is currently a way to do the
install without a libre distro without removing the hard drive, and IMHO
that is too high a barrier for entry for new users. Also, I've found that
5-10% of the time doing this somehow corrupts the hard drive (this is with
multiple machines and SATA adapters; I have no idea why this happens.)

IMHO it's important to be pragmatic while developing free software; just as
rms built GNU at first using nonfree software as a base layer, I don't
think it's a big threat to software freedom"to install a libre operating
system via one that includes a few binary blobs that can then be deleted,
esp. if that means the user and developer base to improve the libre distro
is likely to increase faster due to decreased entry barrier.

The important thing is to delete the nonfree software as soon as possible.
An example of this is when rms was using the OLPC XO1 as his main machine;
he got the sys admins to delete the binary blob that made the built-in wifi
work, and then was fine with the system (as that was the only nonfree bit).
So perhaps we should include in the install instructions directions on how
to remove all of the Debian stuff from the hard drive after Parabola is
working (the only tricky bit is that some stuff on sda1 - eg boot.cfg -
must be preserved.)

Perhaps even better would be instructions to replace the Debian system with
a "backup" Parabola system, so if when changing low-level software on the
main system it becomes unbootable, it would be easy to fix.

That said I have no dispute with parabola/mipsel needing an installer
not dependent on any other software as soon as possible.

For the Yeeloong, the easiest install method (by pressing tab after having
inserted a USB key with a vmlinuz file and a .lzma file) is also not well
documented, but I'm guessing some combination of just looking at the BJLX
example, doing more search for doc, and bugging BJLX and Lemote people will
be enough to get it working.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:

> I vote for option 3 and/or let's develop an ISO for a free precursor OS
> for people to use.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:56:43AM -0200, Andr? Silva wrote:
> > This discussion is about that an user put an article that recommends
> > Debian to install as precursor operating system. How to all knows,
> > Debian is a non-free distro don't recommended by FSF (
> > http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ), but as in this case is
> > being used as precursor OS, we decided open a discussion, and you could
> > to help us to make a decision:
> >
> > 1. Vote to eliminate this article completely, because it threatening the
> > freedom.
> >
> > 2. Vote to keep it like this.
> >
> > 3. Vote to improve this article eliminating non-free contents and puts
> > an alternative for it.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> > http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> >
>
> --
> Charles Roth
> Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
> General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
> Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
> Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
> About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
> "Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
>
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From cer at parlementum.net  Mon Jan  9 05:26:06 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:26:06 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
 Installation/Precursor OS" article
In-Reply-To: <CA+VYMuZX7aK7N9OYjkLW9Ly91338L1RQnb0OvCF7JPY9kheNdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
 <20120109040531.GB1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
 <CA+VYMuZX7aK7N9OYjkLW9Ly91338L1RQnb0OvCF7JPY9kheNdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120109052606.GC1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>

This should become a bigger discussion perhaps. As my comrades know I'm not happy with the state of the Parabola installer itself, and while in 
the channel I toe the party line, if people ask me privately I give them this advice:

1) use arch net installer (which works, easily)
2) use migration script

We need to come up with easy to follow steps with a good installer or pragmatically provide a way to move from unfree to mostly free to free.

CER


On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:30:41PM -0500, Daniel Clark wrote:
> So I think the people who have parabola installed probably used the
> gNewSense installer or got a yeeloong pre-installed with gNewSense from my
> company. Unfortunately the gNewSense installer is currently broken and has
> been for quite a while. So I don't think there is currently a way to do the
> install without a libre distro without removing the hard drive, and IMHO
> that is too high a barrier for entry for new users. Also, I've found that
> 5-10% of the time doing this somehow corrupts the hard drive (this is with
> multiple machines and SATA adapters; I have no idea why this happens.)
> 
> IMHO it's important to be pragmatic while developing free software; just as
> rms built GNU at first using nonfree software as a base layer, I don't
> think it's a big threat to software freedom"to install a libre operating
> system via one that includes a few binary blobs that can then be deleted,
> esp. if that means the user and developer base to improve the libre distro
> is likely to increase faster due to decreased entry barrier.
> 
> The important thing is to delete the nonfree software as soon as possible.
> An example of this is when rms was using the OLPC XO1 as his main machine;
> he got the sys admins to delete the binary blob that made the built-in wifi
> work, and then was fine with the system (as that was the only nonfree bit).
> So perhaps we should include in the install instructions directions on how
> to remove all of the Debian stuff from the hard drive after Parabola is
> working (the only tricky bit is that some stuff on sda1 - eg boot.cfg -
> must be preserved.)
> 
> Perhaps even better would be instructions to replace the Debian system with
> a "backup" Parabola system, so if when changing low-level software on the
> main system it becomes unbootable, it would be easy to fix.
> 
> That said I have no dispute with parabola/mipsel needing an installer
> not dependent on any other software as soon as possible.
> 
> For the Yeeloong, the easiest install method (by pressing tab after having
> inserted a USB key with a vmlinuz file and a .lzma file) is also not well
> documented, but I'm guessing some combination of just looking at the BJLX
> example, doing more search for doc, and bugging BJLX and Lemote people will
> be enough to get it working.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> 
> > I vote for option 3 and/or let's develop an ISO for a free precursor OS
> > for people to use.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:56:43AM -0200, Andr? Silva wrote:
> > > This discussion is about that an user put an article that recommends
> > > Debian to install as precursor operating system. How to all knows,
> > > Debian is a non-free distro don't recommended by FSF (
> > > http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ), but as in this case is
> > > being used as precursor OS, we decided open a discussion, and you could
> > > to help us to make a decision:
> > >
> > > 1. Vote to eliminate this article completely, because it threatening the
> > > freedom.
> > >
> > > 2. Vote to keep it like this.
> > >
> > > 3. Vote to improve this article eliminating non-free contents and puts
> > > an alternative for it.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dev mailing list
> > > Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> > > http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Charles Roth
> > Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
> > General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
> > Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
> > Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
> > About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
> > "Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> > http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> >
> >

-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at encyclomundi.org
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
"Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan  9 12:24:43 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:24:43 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
	Installation/Precursor OS" article
In-Reply-To: <20120109052606.GC1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
References: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
 <20120109040531.GB1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
 <CA+VYMuZX7aK7N9OYjkLW9Ly91338L1RQnb0OvCF7JPY9kheNdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120109052606.GC1425@SPQR.nomadix.com>
Message-ID: <87sjjpkqr8.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:26:06 -0800, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> This should become a bigger discussion perhaps. As my comrades know I'm not happy with the state of the Parabola installer itself, and while in 
> the channel I toe the party line, if people ask me privately I give them this advice:
> 
> 1) use arch net installer (which works, easily)
> 2) use migration script
> 
> We need to come up with easy to follow steps with a good installer or pragmatically provide a way to move from unfree to mostly free to free.

As I said on the channel a few days ago, ConnochaetOS had this same
problem with the standard Arch installer and solved it. I've tested the
installation and it's just 5 steps long.

It helps you with partitioning (automatic or manual) and then
unpacks the base system on the disk, after setting the timezone and
regular user.

My vote is for including Connos installer in our x86* ISOs and on the
tab installer Daniel mentioned. Then the precursor OS article wouldn't
be needed, right?

The installer is bash based so we won't have issues porting it :)
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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  9 13:49:51 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (Jorge Lopez)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:49:51 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Discussion to make a decision about "MIPS
 Installation/Precursor OS" article
In-Reply-To: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F0A576B.4010909@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F0AF07F.1080906@adinet.com.uy>

El 09/01/12 03:56, Andr? Silva escribi?:
> This discussion is about that an user put an article that recommends
> Debian to install as precursor operating system. How to all knows,
> Debian is a non-free distro don't recommended by FSF (
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ), but as in this case is
> being used as precursor OS, we decided open a discussion, and you could
> to help us to make a decision:
>
> 1. Vote to eliminate this article completely, because it threatening the
> freedom.
>
> 2. Vote to keep it like this.
>
> 3. Vote to improve this article eliminating non-free contents and puts
> an alternative for it.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
I vote the 3 option


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan 10 12:06:17 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 09:06:17 -0300
Subject: [Dev] xmpp server (ping charles)
Message-ID: <87fwfnyd6u.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

registration is open for our xmpp server; we also have mucs on
conf.parabolagnulinux.org iirc

i'll configure it to server parabola.nu today


PS: i was half asleep when you asked
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan 10 18:57:21 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:57:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] working on parabola.nu services
Message-ID: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

* I requested a certificate on cacert.org.
* XMPP is working, registration is open (mine is fauno at parabola.nu)
* There's a web server at https://parabola.nu, cer will be working on it
* Mail server is configured and it can serve @parabola.nu forwarding
* Etc.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Jan 10 19:13:25 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:13:25 +0100
Subject: [Dev] working on parabola.nu services
In-Reply-To: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:57:21 -0300")
References: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <8739bn5q22.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> * Mail server is configured and it can serve @parabola.nu forwarding

Anyone with repo root access can add an alias using these commands:

$EDITOR /etc/postfix/virtual-parabola.nu
postmap /etc/postfix/virtual-parabola.nu
rc.d reload postfix

If forwarding to a server using SPF, it needs to whitelist
repo.parabolagnulinux.org unless we find an SRS implementation for our
Postfix.
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Jan 10 19:47:04 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue350] [iceweasel-libre] Google SafeBrowsing enabled by
	default
Message-ID: <1326224824.89.0.198757640764.issue350@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Nicol?s Reynolds:

please be more verbose?

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____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue350>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Jan 10 19:53:21 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (aloniv (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:53:21 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
Message-ID: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from aloniv:

According to wikipedia TrueCrypt is non-free software:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truecrypt

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keyword: packages, unfree
messages: 1327
nosy: aloniv, dev_list
priority: critical
status: unread
title: [truecrypt] Package is non-free

____________________________________________________
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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue352>
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From cer at parlementum.net  Tue Jan 10 23:11:16 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:11:16 -0800
Subject: [Dev] new statusnet instance
Message-ID: <20120110231115.GA1433@SPQR>

Your input is needed!

Please read:
https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Parabola_GNU_Statusnet_Instance

and add your thoughts to the discussion tab for this page on the wiki
-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at parlementum.net
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
"Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Jan 11 03:19:26 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:19:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] working on parabola.nu services
In-Reply-To: <8739bn5q22.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739bn5q22.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87obubvsch.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:13:25 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > * Mail server is configured and it can serve @parabola.nu forwarding
> 
> Anyone with repo root access can add an alias using these commands:
> 
> $EDITOR /etc/postfix/virtual-parabola.nu
> postmap /etc/postfix/virtual-parabola.nu
> rc.d reload postfix
> 
> If forwarding to a server using SPF, it needs to whitelist
> repo.parabolagnulinux.org unless we find an SRS implementation for our
> Postfix.

i didn't need to reload postfix, the daemon picked up the virtual db
update immediately (you can see it on logs)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Jan 11 17:37:47 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:37:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] diaspora-git on [social]
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needs x86_64 packager :)
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Jan 14 02:17:23 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:17:23 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia
Message-ID: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy>

Sr. Richard Stallman:

Estimado Richard Stallman, le escribe Andr? Silva, pues me urge
comunicarme con .Ud por el siguiente inconveniente, hace algunos d?as
atr?s, nuestra distribuci?n constat? que un articulo de Parabola que
estaba en la enciclopedia Wikipedia, corr?a el riesgo de ser borrada por
falta de contenido, y por muchos otros argumentos mas que utiliz? los
usuarios open source de Wikipedia contra nosotros, como ser: falta de
referencias fidedignas, etc.
Visto esta situaci?n, en el de articulo de Parabola se abri? una
votaci?n de borrado.
Nicolas Reynolds nos propuso la idea de mejorar dicha documentaci?n,
ampliando las referencias, incluyendo mayores detalles y por lo tanto,
como es l?gico votar para que no se borre el articulo.
Tambi?n propuse junto con Jorge Lopez, la idea de pasar este articulo a
los idiomas ingl?s, portugu?s y gallego para de esta forma mejorar la
documentaci?n y su divulgaci?n en otras lenguas.
Gracias a esto y al esfuerzo (por votaciones) de mucha gente,
conseguimos mantener el articulo en espa?ol.
Sin embargo, y a pesar de todo este esfuerzo, algunos usuarios open
source de Wikipedia comenzaron a modificar de forma dr?stica el
contenido de nuestros art?culos, al punto de comprometer nuestros
principios ?ticos que provienen de la FSF, cambiando sucesivamente
nuestro texto y contenido a un grado que nos preocupa. Por ejemplo, al
inicio del articulo se?al?bamos que Parabola es una distribuci?n de
GNU/Linux, y ellos lo cambiaron nuevamente por distribuci?n "Linux",
inclusive en la ficha t?cnica colocaban que nosotros pertenec?amos a la
familia de Linux, cuando el texto original que nosotros hab?amos escrito
era GNU/Linux.
Obviamente, como se es de suponer, nosotros volvimos a corregir esta
acci?n maliciosa de estos usuarios open source que editan Wikipedia,
volviendo as? nosotros a colocar lo que es debidamente correcto y lo que
fue elegido por unanimidad, y que fue el siguiente texto:
"Parabola GNU/Linux es una distribuci?n de sistema operativo libre"
A todo ello, estos editores open source de Wikipedia durante toda esta
disyuntiva y controversias, nos denunciaron por actos de vandalismos,
cuando al entender de todos nosotros, inequ?vocamente el acto de
vandalismo proviene de ellos.
Por lo tanto, y visto esta circunstancia tan injusta que compromete los
principios ?ticos de Libertad e infringe los estatutos jur?dicos de la
FSF, me dirijo a .Ud en nombre de todo el equipo de hackers y la
comunidad de Parabola, para hacer un apelo a .Ud y a toda la FSF, para
que dentro del contexto total de la Fundaci?n de Software Libre, se
pueda as? encontrar una soluci?n satisfactoria, pero acorde a nuestros
principios, frente a esta disyuntiva tan lamentable.
Por favor, pedimos a la FSF que se haga valer el respeto a nuestro
articulo que est? acorde rigurosamente a nuestros principios ?ticos y a
los reglamentos jur?dicos de la FSF.
Hacemos cuesti?n que nuestra documentaci?n por seguir todo esto
antedicho y por corresponder absolutamente a la verdad, que sea
respetado en todo su contenido....

Sin mas, y aguardando su retorno en la brevedad que le sea posible, le
enviamos nuestro saludo:
Equipo de Hackers de Parabola.

P.S: Pedimos por favor, si le fuera posible que lea este texto que me
enviaron (Andr? Silva): "Hi, Wikipedia uses the most commonly used names
for things. Thus, we use "Linux distribution", not "GNU/Linux
distribution". Use of the latter is a minority view and also violates
our neutral point of view policy. We do not take sides in the GNU/Linux
naming controversy."


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Jan 14 06:28:22 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 04:28:22 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
In-Reply-To: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F112086.2060408@adinet.com.uy>

Estimado Richard Stallman:

Me dirijo nuevamente a Ud. y a toda la comunidad, para hacer una
aclaraci?n y hago hincapi? en un peque?o detalle que pas? por alto, en
la carta anterior que le he enviado, me olvid? detallar que dichas
modificaciones que alteran la estructura ?tica de nuestro articulo, fue
realizada en la versi?n inglesa; en la espa?ola surgi? una fuerte
controversia para eliminar el articulo nuestro de Wikipedia lo cual fue
solucionado mediante votaci?n. En el idioma gallego, exigen una revisi?n
de traducci?n, y si en 30 d?as dicha correcciones no llegasen a ser
hechas adecuadamente, nuestro articulo pasar? a la lista de p?ginas para
borrar, y por ?ltimo en el idioma portugu?s nos est?n pidiendo que
coloquemos informaciones con fuentes mas fiables, pero no llegan al
extremo del idioma ingl?s, donde simplemente modifican nuestros
principios ?ticos, normas y estatutos, sin el menor respeto a nuestras
reglas.

Sin mas, le env?o un abrazo: Andr? Silva.


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Jan 14 16:40:07 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:40:07 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
In-Reply-To: <4F1192ED.3000808@gnu.org>
References: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy> <4F112086.2060408@adinet.com.uy>
 <4F1192ED.3000808@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <4F11AFE7.6010605@adinet.com.uy>

Em 14-01-2012 12:36, Dora Scilipoti escreveu:
> Hola, lamento mucho esta situaci?n. Vamos por parte.
>
> Wikipedia en espa?ol
>
> Entrando en la p?gina principal, si uno busca "par?bola", aparece la
> p?gina de desambiguaci?n, donde el ?ltimo ?tem es:
>
> -Parabola GNU/Linux, una distribuci?n basada en Arch Linux, totalmente
> gratuito
>
> ah? hay que cambiar "gratuito" por "libre" (adem?s no es "gratuitO"
> sino "gratuitA")
>
> Por lo dem?s, felizmente este problema se pudo resolver, as? que ahora
> lo ?nico que queda por hacer es pulir el texto que, aunque no lo he
> le?do todav?a detalladamente, he visto algunas cuestiones de redacci?n
> que se podr?an mejorar. Despu?s puedo hacerlo yo si est?n de acuerdo.
>

Estimada amiga Dora, te agradecemos toda ayuda que nos puedas dar, debo
recordarte que estas traducciones (con excepci?n del espa?ol) fueron
hechas en un tiempo r?cord de apenas 4 horas debido a la urgencia que
atravesaba la distribuci?n de Parabola. Ya que nosotros concentrar?amos
nuestros esfuerzos en el portugu?s y gallego, si puedes ayudarnos con la
documentaci?n del ingl?s y espa?ol, nos parecer?a genial...

> Wikipedia en Ingl?s
>
> Partamos del hecho que ya sabemos que lamentablemente en la Wikipedia
> en ingl?s no son amigos nuestros. FSF ya ha tenido largas discusiones
> con ellos, sin resultados favorables.

En este sentido nosotros somos "laicos" sobre lo que concierne a los
estatutos jur?dicos de la FSF, pero ustedes est?n mas a la par de ello y
frente a esta situaci?n, no te parece que ante la persistente
inflexibilidad de Wikipedia (en ingl?s), y ya que nunca se ha llegado a
un acuerdo favorable para ambas partes basados en la ?tica y la
gentileza en las  negociaciones con esta instituci?n, y una vez que se
ha llegado al punto en que se terminaron todos los argumentos validos,
no crees que lo mas conveniente en este caso seria recurrir a los
estatutos jur?dicos que amparan a la FSF?
No te parece que debido a estas disyuntivas y controversias, y
disculpame por lo coloquial de mi forma de expresarme, no crees que en
algunos momentos de la vida debemos mostrar "los dientes" para hacernos
respetar, al final de cuentas que tenemos que perder frente a estos
individuos que ya nos han robado demasiado terreno?

>
> Veo que la p?gina de discusi?n est? vac?a. Si hubo una discusi?n,
> d?nde se encuentra? Si no la hubo, se trata de vandalismo por
> parte de ellos. Tengo entendido que las reglas de Wikipedia dicen que
> antes de introducir modificaciones importantes en un art?culo, hay que
> por lo menos avisar en la p?gina de discusi?n. Creo por lo tanto que
> abrir una discusi?n es lo mejor, al menos para terminar con la
> guerra de ediciones. Y quiz?s Richard pueda encontrar gente amiga que
> se una a la discusi?n.

Infelizmente debo avisarte lo siguiente: en este momento he recibido de
forma imprevista un aviso que a mi entender es completamente injusto,
porque no respeta ni la ?tica, ni la juridiccion de la FSF, prefiero
pasartelo a ti para lo leas y lo compartas con Richard Stallman y con
toda la comunidad de FSF y Parabola:


    Commons names

Hi, Wikipedia uses the /most commonly used names/ for things. Thus, we
use "Linux distribution", not "GNU/Linux distribution". Use of the
latter is a minority view and also violates our neutral point of view
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV> policy. We do not take
sides in the GNU/Linux naming controversy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy>. Thank you.
Yworo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yworo> (talk
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yworo>) 23:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


    Nomination of Parabola GNU/Linux
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola_GNU/Linux> for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article *Parabola
GNU/Linux <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola_GNU/Linux>* is suitable
for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and
guidelines
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines>
or whether it should be deleted
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy>.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for
deletion/Parabola GNU/Linux
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Parabola_GNU/Linux&action=edit&redlink=1>
until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the
discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines
which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence,
and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve
the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do
not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the
article. Sudo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SudoGhost>Ghost
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SudoGhost#top> 15:25, 14 January
2012 (UTC)



>
> El t?tulo "Par?bola GNU/Linux" no lo pueden cambiar porque es el
> nombre oficial de la distribuci?n.
>
> Para el problema de "distribuci?n Linux" o "GNU/Linux", eso se
> podr?a solucionar evitando la palabra "distribuci?n", como se ha hecho
> en castellano.
>
> En la ficha t?cnica, bajo "Source Model", se podr?a dejar como
> pusieron ellos "Free and open source software", porque esa es una
> batalla que nunca podremos ganar, por la cuesti?n de la neutralidad.
>
> Distinto es el caso de "Kernel type", donde ellos cambiaron
> "Linux-libre" por "Linux". Aqu? creo que corresponde pelear porque
> Linux-libre no es lo mismo que Linux sino un derivado, otro kernel
> (me parece, aunque no estoy 100% segura de que se pueda poner en esos
> t?rminos.)
>
> Por lo que respecta a las Wikipedias en portugu?s y gallego, no
> puedo opinar mucho porque no entiendo bien esos idiomas, pero la
> sugerencia de abrir una discusi?n e involucrar a amigos vale tambi?n
> en estos casos.
>
> Esperemos otras opiniones.
>
>

Visto las circunstancias frente a las cuales nos enfrentamos, precisamos
urgentemente de todo tipo de ayuda, por favor ay?denos a llegar a un
consenso que sea favorable para todos...
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Jan 14 16:46:01 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:46:01 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
In-Reply-To: <CACFh1D7X9=7p83_eYb+AJVezaP4GTqPC7nmXcopsp_AtG0pwBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACFh1D7X9=7p83_eYb+AJVezaP4GTqPC7nmXcopsp_AtG0pwBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F11B149.7020906@adinet.com.uy>



-------- Mensagem original --------
Assunto: 	Re: Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
Data: 	Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:14:27 -0500
De: 	David Narvaez <david.narvaez at computer.org>
Responder a: 	Lista geral FSFLA <discusion at fsfla.org>
Para: 	Lista geral FSFLA <discusion at fsfla.org>



2012/1/14 Galleguindio Ramirez <campesinux at gmail.com>
>
> On 14/01/12 03:28, Andr? Silva wrote:
>>
>> Estimado Richard Stallman:
>>
>> Me dirijo nuevamente a Ud. y a toda la comunidad, para hacer una
>> aclaraci?n y hago hincapi? en un peque?o detalle que pas? por alto, en
>> la carta anterior que le he enviado, me olvid? detallar que dichas
>> modificaciones que alteran la estructura ?tica de nuestro articulo, fue
>> realizada en la versi?n inglesa; en la espa?ola surgi? una fuerte
>> controversia para eliminar el articulo nuestro de Wikipedia lo cual fue
>> solucionado mediante votaci?n. En el idioma gallego, exigen una revisi?n
>> de traducci?n, y si en 30 d?as dicha correcciones no llegasen a ser
>> hechas adecuadamente, nuestro articulo pasar? a la lista de p?ginas para
>> borrar, y por ?ltimo en el idioma portugu?s nos est?n pidiendo que
>> coloquemos informaciones con fuentes mas fiables, pero no llegan al
>> extremo del idioma ingl?s, donde simplemente modifican nuestros
>> principios ?ticos, normas y estatutos, sin el menor respeto a nuestras
>> reglas.
>>
>> Sin mas, le env?o un abrazo: Andr? Silva.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discusion mailing list
>> Discusion at fsfla.org
>> http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discusion
>
> Despu?s de venir leyendo estas acciones de la wikipedia y que no son las primeras emprendidas contra las distribuciones que adhieren a GNU/LINUX y no solo a LINUX como ya paso con VENENUX y ahora con PARABOLA solo se me ocurre una acci?n y creo que urge lanzar una campa?a denunciando a WIKIPEDIA, organizar una enciclopedia comunitaria donde los saberes sean decididos por la comunidad. El OPEN SOURCE, el movimiento LINUX FOUNDATION estan hoy muy comprometidos con formas de negocio que nosotros hemos rechazado apuntando a un Soft Privativo que salga de las comunidades y terminemos pagando por navegar, leer, escribir y abrir la puerta para ir a jugar. Nos quieren obligar a pagar por beber nuestra agua cuando los sedientos son ellos y los sanmaritanos nosotros. Pido disculpas por entrometerme en un mail enviado a RMS, pero creo que estamos en tiempos revueltos y debemos iniciar acciones m?s firmes...

Yo propongo dar un paso atr?s y ver este problema desde otras
perspectivas. Este es un problema serio y la soluci?n que determinemos
puede influir bastante en el tema del reconocimiento de GNU. De hecho
propongo una reuni?n virtual en el canal de IRC (#fsfla) donde podamos
analizar varios puntos que veo controversiales en las ediciones del
art?culo en ingl?s. Estoy particularmente intereasdo en que participe
Alexandre Oliva porque en las ediciones veo que hay confusi?n en
determinar qu? es Linux-Libre[0] y me gustar?a ver de qu? manera
pudiesemos aclarar eso con Wikipedia, adem?s (obviamente) de los
desarrolladores de Parabola, algunos otros concejeros de FSFLA, y
pienso que podr?amos invitar a alg?n miembro de Wikipedia con
experiencia en estos asuntos. De all?, creo que podemos sacar una
propuesta a nombre de Parabola + FSFLA + Linux Libre y ver hasta donde
podemos llevarla en Wikipedia.

?Qu? dicen? ?Alguien quiere proponer hora y fecha?

David E. Narv?ez

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parabola_GNU/Linux&diff=471226691&oldid=471226555
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Jan 14 17:46:44 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:46:44 -0200
Subject: [Dev] =?iso-8859-1?q?Un_espacio_a_la_reflexi=F3n?=
Message-ID: <4F11BF84.3080006@adinet.com.uy>

Estimados amigos de la Free Software Fundation:

Desde mi humilde punto de vista, concuerdo plenamente que debemos
recapitular y si es posible dar un paso atr?s para analizar desde un
punto de vista mas pragm?tico y as? conseguir una soluci?n favorable
para toda la FSF, en lo que respecta a wikipedia y a la distribuci?n
Parabola. Sin embargo esta problem?tica por lo cual atraviesa Parabola
ya se ha visto repetida de forma dr?stica en otras ocasiones, tal vez de
forma diferente, en otras distribuciones del Software Libre, por lo cual
a mi entender que la FSF pretenda ser reconocida y valorizada
debidamente a trav?s de un medio como wikipedia o de cualquier medio
proveniente de open source o de software privativo, en definitiva y en
otras palabras, es una completa utop?a.
Comprendo que tenemos serias dificultades para divulgar nuestras
distribuciones a nivel publico, pero el mecanismo mas adecuado a mi
entender y espero no equivocarme, no es continuar golpeando la puerta de
una casa ajena a nosotros, donde solo y ?nicamente por la gracia de la
"caridad" que se les atribuye otorgarnos a nosotros conforme su estado
an?mico en ese momento y conforme nuestra condici?n de sumisi?n, se nos
conceder? la peque?a oportunidad de poder ocupar alg?n espacio que ellos
consideren adecuados para nosotros, si les es conveniente. Frente a una
situaci?n como esta, yo me planteo y por tanto planteo a toda la
Fundaci?n de Software Libre, que el mecanismo adecuado no es ser
constantemente imprudente con nuestra presencia en estas Instituciones
open source, en las cuales est? claramente impl?cito (por lo que acabo
de presenciar) que no desean absolutamente nuestra participaci?n dentro
de su espacio de divulgaci?n, por lo que frente a esta situaci?n, no
seria el momento adecuado para nosotros ir planificando, tal vez no a
corto plazo y si a mediano plazo, la realizaci?n de un medio propio, de
una enciclopedia propia que dignifique verdaderamente los principios
?ticos del software libre y que los divulgue de la forma mas
correctamente posible, para que el usuario pueda tener as?, una plena
conciencia del fruto de nuestro trabajo que nosotros presentamos para el
real beneficio de la sociedad, y sin el menor temor de ser baneados (y
que nos coloquen ep?tetos despectivos) por estas instituciones open
source que ya nos han robado demasiado durante toda su trayectoria.

Saludos, atte: Andr? Silva


From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Jan 16 04:44:26 2012
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:44:26 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [loongson-dev] Selecting an operating system for your new
	Lemote Yeeloong
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2012/1/15 Llu?s Batlle i Rossell <viric at viric.name>

> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:04:59PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > I was just wondering, if there was then any n64 distro out there...
> > To the extent I've look, seems not, :-)
>
> Well, the fuloongs I have don't need more virtual addresses (1GB of RAM, I
> won't
> run programs that want 6GB virtual addresses, for example).
>
> I even was running for a while a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit OS where I had
> only
> some specific programs built for 64-bit - those who needed more virtual
> address space.
>

Someone on Parabola Hackers (cc:ed, but please remove it when replying to
avoid cross-post issues) mentioned that n64 would be good (at least to have
available somewhere) so more virtual memory could be used - the use case he
gave was that compiling and debugging some things requires more RAM then
can be achieved with current hardware + n32-limited virtual memory.

I think he actually had a chicken-and-egg scenario where he couldn't
compile 64-bit binutils because of memory limits.
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan 16 14:25:05 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:25:05 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
Message-ID: <4F143341.5030100@adinet.com.uy>

Hi for all, due to the problems that we had in those days in the English
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola_GNU/Linux where our
articles were changed without respecting our principles.
Then I have two indirect suggestions for the Parabola's Project:


  *

    Put in the main page a clear statement that Parabola rejects the
    philosophy of "open source" by not cover the political issue of the
    user's freedom and that you do not know (or don't want to know) if
    all the Parabola's software are "open source" or not, but do
    everything possible to ensure that everything is free.


Then, if Parabola is called as "open source OS" would be false
information for the users.


  *

    Make a version with Hurd, or BSD kernel, and that Parabola is called
    as "GNU distribution" that featuring multiple kernels.


Then, if Parabola is called as "Linux Distribution" would be false
information for the users.

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Jan 16 15:25:14 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:25:14 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
In-Reply-To: <4F143341.5030100@adinet.com.uy> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:25:05 -0200")
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> Hi for all, due to the problems that we had in those days in the
> English Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola_GNU/Linux
> where our articles were changed without respecting our principles. 

This can be fixed by making free software a majority view in "reliable
sources".

> *   Put in the main page a clear statement that Parabola rejects the
>   philosophy of "open source" by not cover the political issue of the
>   user's freedom and that you do not know (or don't want to know) if
>   all the Parabola's software are "open source" or not, but do
>   everything possible to ensure that everything is free.

With a link to [0].

(The inclusion of GNU documentation is a clear argument against
considering all Parabola packages open source, but probably no open
source fan has only open source software on their machine, so it's not a
useful argument.)

> Then, if Parabola is called as "open source OS" would be false
> information for the users.

Understanding "open source OS" as an operating system consisting mostly
of open source programs, Parabola is an "open source OS" (especially if
FreeBSD or Minix is an operating system, I've been reading a book
suggesting otherwise).  This depends entirely on editor's point of view,
so they will prefer the mainstream "neutral" point of view.

> *   Make a version with Hurd, or BSD kernel, and that Parabola is
>   called as "GNU distribution" that featuring multiple kernels.

And maybe do more to promote other GNU programs, like Guile.

> Then, if Parabola is called as "Linux Distribution" would be false
> information for the users.

Then "Parabola GNU/Linux" will be called a "Linux distribution".

These ideas could also help with Parabola's notability:

- publish peer-reviewed scientific articles using abslibre-mips64el.git
  e.g. for static analysis of packages

- help Parabola GNU/Social, it looks like most innovative part of the
  project (I don't know other projects than FreedomBox which aim to make
  having servers for federated network services easy)

- have an ARM port, make it an optimal distro for a freedom-respecting
  device

- promote using Parabola in specific notable areas or organizations

(And doing these would certainly benefit free software.)


[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Jan 16 16:19:25 2012
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El Sab, 14 de Enero de 2012, 12:02 pm, David Narvaez escribi?:
> 2012/1/14 Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy>
>>
>> Em 14-01-2012 12:36, Dora Scilipoti escreveu:
>>
>> Hola, lamento mucho esta situaci?n. Vamos por parte.
>>
>> Wikipedia en espa?ol
>>
>> Entrando en la p?gina principal, si uno busca "par?bola", aparece la
>> p?gina de desambiguaci?n, donde el ?ltimo ?tem es:
>>
>> -Parabola GNU/Linux, una distribuci?n basada en Arch Linux, totalmente
>> gratuito
>>
>> ah? hay que cambiar "gratuito" por "libre" (adem?s no es "gratuitO"
>> sino "gratuitA")
>>
>> Por lo dem?s, felizmente este problema se pudo resolver, as? que ahora
>> lo ?nico que queda por hacer es pulir el texto que, aunque no lo he
>> le?do todav?a detalladamente, he visto algunas cuestiones de redacci?n
>> que se podr?an mejorar. Despu?s puedo hacerlo yo si est?n de acuerdo.
>>
>>
>> Estimada amiga Dora, te agradecemos toda ayuda que nos puedas dar, debo
>> recordarte que estas traducciones (con excepci?n del espa?ol) fueron
>> hechas en un tiempo r?cord de apenas 4 horas debido a la urgencia que
>> atravesaba la distribuci?n de Parabola. Ya que nosotros concentrar?amos
>> nuestros esfuerzos en el portugu?s y gallego, si puedes ayudarnos con la
>> documentaci?n del ingl?s y espa?ol, nos parecer?a genial...
>>
>> Wikipedia en Ingl?s
>>
>> Partamos del hecho que ya sabemos que lamentablemente en la Wikipedia
>> en ingl?s no son amigos nuestros. FSF ya ha tenido largas discusiones
>> con ellos, sin resultados favorables.
>>
>>
>> En este sentido nosotros somos "laicos" sobre lo que concierne a los
>> estatutos jur?dicos de la FSF, pero ustedes est?n mas a la par de ello y
>> frente a esta situaci?n, no te parece que ante la persistente
>> inflexibilidad de Wikipedia (en ingl?s), y ya que nunca se ha llegado a
>> un acuerdo favorable para ambas partes basados en la ?tica y la
>> gentileza en las? negociaciones con esta instituci?n, y una vez que se
>> ha llegado al punto en que se terminaron todos los argumentos validos,
>> no crees que lo mas conveniente en este caso seria recurrir a los
>> estatutos jur?dicos que amparan a la FSF?
>> No te parece que debido a estas disyuntivas y controversias, y
>> disculpame por lo coloquial de mi forma de expresarme, no crees que en
>> algunos momentos de la vida debemos mostrar "los dientes" para hacernos
>> respetar, al final de cuentas que tenemos que perder frente a estos
>> individuos que ya nos han robado demasiado terreno?
>>
>> Veo que la p?gina de discusi?n est? vac?a. Si hubo una discusi?n,
>> d?nde se encuentra? Si no la hubo, se trata de vandalismo por
>> parte de ellos. Tengo entendido que las reglas de Wikipedia dicen que
>> antes de introducir modificaciones importantes en un art?culo, hay que
>> por lo menos avisar en la p?gina de discusi?n. Creo por lo tanto que
>> abrir una discusi?n es lo mejor, al menos para terminar con la
>> guerra de ediciones. Y quiz?s Richard pueda encontrar gente amiga que
>> se una a la discusi?n.
>>
>>
>> Infelizmente debo avisarte lo siguiente: en este momento he recibido de
>> forma imprevista un aviso que a mi entender es completamente injusto,
>> porque no respeta ni la ?tica, ni la juridiccion de la FSF, prefiero
>> pasartelo a ti para lo leas y lo compartas con Richard Stallman y con
>> toda la comunidad de FSF y Parabola:
>>
>> Commons names
>>
>> Hi, Wikipedia uses the most commonly used names for things. Thus, we use
>> "Linux distribution", not "GNU/Linux distribution". Use of the latter is
>> a minority view and also violates our neutral point of view policy. We
>> do not take sides in the GNU/Linux naming controversy. Thank you. Yworo
>> (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
>>
>> Nomination of Parabola GNU/Linux for deletion
>>
>> A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Parabola
>> GNU/Linux is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to
>> Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
>>
>> The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for
>> deletion/Parabola GNU/Linux until a consensus is reached, and anyone is
>> welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the
>> policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on
>> good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
>>
>> Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve
>> the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do
>> not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the
>> article. SudoGhost 15:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
>>
>>
>>
>> El t?tulo "Par?bola GNU/Linux" no lo pueden cambiar porque es el
>> nombre oficial de la distribuci?n.
>>
>> Para el problema de "distribuci?n Linux" o "GNU/Linux", eso se
>> podr?a solucionar evitando la palabra "distribuci?n", como se ha hecho
>> en castellano.
>>
>> En la ficha t?cnica, bajo "Source Model", se podr?a dejar como
>> pusieron ellos "Free and open source software", porque esa es una
>> batalla que nunca podremos ganar, por la cuesti?n de la neutralidad.
>>
>> Distinto es el caso de "Kernel type", donde ellos cambiaron
>> "Linux-libre" por "Linux". Aqu? creo que corresponde pelear porque
>> Linux-libre no es lo mismo que Linux sino un derivado, otro kernel
>> (me parece, aunque no estoy 100% segura de que se pueda poner en esos
>> t?rminos.)
>>
>> Por lo que respecta a las Wikipedias en portugu?s y gallego, no
>> puedo opinar mucho porque no entiendo bien esos idiomas, pero la
>> sugerencia de abrir una discusi?n e involucrar a amigos vale tambi?n
>> en estos casos.
>>
>> Esperemos otras opiniones.
>>
>>
>>
>> Visto las circunstancias frente a las cuales nos enfrentamos, precisamos
>> urgentemente de todo tipo de ayuda, por favor ay?denos a llegar a un
>> consenso que sea favorable para todos...
>
> Curiosamente, todos los puntos tocados por Dora Scilipoti en su correo
> son puntos que quer?a abordar en la reuni?n por IRC que propuse hace
> un rato. No conozco a Dora pero creo que tiene un conocimiento
> significativo sobre las reglas de edici?n en Wikipedia y me gustar?a
> que particpara en la reuni?n aportando sus ideas y sugerencias.
>
> Tengo bastantes comentarios al respecto, pero esto se va a volver un
> hilo interminable m?s en esta lista, y me temo que no podemos tomarnos
> el tiempo de reescribir todos los argumentos que ya todos nos sabemos,
> mientras en Wikipedia est?n por borrar la p?gina de Parabola.
>
> Yo propongo una reuni?n el Mi?rcoles 18 a las 20:30 GMT -5, pero no s?
> si hay gente de Europa en esta discusi?n que quiera optar por una hora
> m?s adecuada; si es as?, propongan una hora. De nuevo, estoy
> particularmente interesado en saber si Alexandre Oliva puede
> participar en la reuni?n para que nos ayude a definir el tema de
> Linux-Libre (tocado por Dora Scilipoti tambi?n en su correo).
>

Yo no tengo problema por esa hora y asistir?. Es bueno convocar a quienes
conozcamos localmente para que asistan. Cualquier apoyo o sugerencia
sirve. Ser?a bueno preguntar a Richard Stallman si quiere asistir. Eso
atraer? m?s gente a asistir a la reuni?n y a apoyar y sugerir tambi?n.

-- 
Saludos.
Quiliro Ord??ez
593(2)3401517
593(9)6759641
Quito, Ecuador
Si me equivoco, al menos s? que soy yo qui?n se equivoc? y no que me
equivoqu? por seguir la instrucci?n de alguien m?s.



From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Jan 16 16:55:33 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez=22?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:55:33 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
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El Lun, 16 de Enero de 2012, 11:42 am, David Narvaez escribi?:
> 2012/1/16 "Quiliro Ord??ez" <quiliro at congresolibre.org>:
>> Yo no tengo problema por esa hora y asistir?. Es bueno convocar a
>> quienes
>> conozcamos localmente para que asistan. Cualquier apoyo o sugerencia
>> sirve. Ser?a bueno preguntar a Richard Stallman si quiere asistir. Eso
>> atraer? m?s gente a asistir a la reuni?n y a apoyar y sugerir tambi?n.
>
> Ya no estoy tan seguro de que necesitemos una reuni?n. De lo expresado
> en este hilo me queda claro que Parabola, Venenux, y en general todas
> las distribuciones avaladas por la FSF est?n descontentas con
> Wikipedia y no est?n dispuestos a seguir soportando la ignominiosa
> humillaci?n de los oligarcas opresores.
>
> En ese caso todo lo que hay que hacer es borrar las p?ginas de estas
> distribuciones de Wikipedia, abrir una enciclopedia al gusto
> (probablemente hasta usando Mediawiki) y poner all? las p?ginas
> editadas bajo las reglas que ellos consideren correctas. Para esto no
> se necesita reuni?n, consenso, no se necesita a RMS, no se necesita un
> hilo en una lista, nada m?s se requiere un servidor y un dominio,
> poner Mediawiki/MoinMoin/Twiki e invitar a todas las distros
> descontentas con Wikipedia a poner su informaci?n all?.

Esta es una opci?n que ven?a barajando hace mucho tiempo. Sin embargo, el
poner informaci?n en un lugar que nadie lee es trabajar mucho para lograr
poco. Pienso que ser?a muy interesante crear o unirse una enciclopedia que
permita todos los puntos de vista que tome contenido de todas parte
(incluyendo wikipedia). Esto solo tendr?a valor si logramos tener m?s y
mejor informaci?n que wikipedia y por lo tanto logremos m?s usuarios y
editores. Quiz? http://spa.anarchopedia.org/Portada pueda servir.

-- 
Saludos.
Quiliro Ord??ez
593(2)3401517
593(9)6759641
Quito, Ecuador
Si me equivoco, al menos s? que soy yo qui?n se equivoc? y no que me
equivoqu? por seguir la instrucci?n de alguien m?s.



From jorgean at lavabit.com  Mon Jan 16 18:13:18 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:13:18 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
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> - have an ARM port, make it an optimal distro for a freedom-respecting
>   device

I'm going to take care of that part in few months!!!

But in general, this problem is just bullshit, this make me sick and
sad :-/. 
-- 

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Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
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From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Jan 16 18:50:06 2012
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
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2012/1/16 Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com>

> **
>
>  - have an ARM port, make it an optimal distro for a freedom-respecting
>   device
>
> I'm going to take care of that part in few months!!!
>
> But in general, this problem is just bullshit, this make me sick and sad
> :-/.
>

Not that this shouldn't be done, but out of general interest are their any
100% freedom respecting ARM devices at the moment? Last I looked into this
(which was two years ago), they all required binary blobs for their 3D
graphics, and the 3rd party company that controlled that seemed unlikely to
release either specs or code under a copyleft license.
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 16 21:30:20 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
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At Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:50:06 -0500,
Daniel Clark wrote:
> 2012/1/16 Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com>
> > > have an ARM port, make it an optimal distro for a freedom-respecting
> > > device
> >
> > I'm going to take care of that part in few months!!!
> >
> > But in general, this problem is just bullshit, this make me sick and sad
> > :-/.
> 
> Not that this shouldn't be done, but out of general interest are their any
> 100% freedom respecting ARM devices at the moment? Last I looked into this
> (which was two years ago), they all required binary blobs for their 3D
> graphics, and the 3rd party company that controlled that seemed unlikely to
> release either specs or code under a copyleft license.

The GeeksPhone One (ARMv6) (and I presume the GeeksPhone Zero)[1] is
freedom respecting.

Rhombus-Tech[2] is creating a Raspberry Pi-like product that will be
100% freedom respecting. Even the hardware designs are free.[3]

I am not sure about the OpenMoko Freerunner.

Since it was brought up in a similar discussion on IRC, I'll go ahead
and rule out the Pandora[4] as it requires non-free firmwares.[5]

[1] http://www.geeksphone.com/en/
[2] http://rhombus-tech.net/
[3] http://git.rhombus-tech.net/?p=eoma.git;a=summary
[4] http://openpandora.org/
[5] http://pandorawiki.org/Introduction_to_firmware

~ Luke Shumaker


From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Jan 16 21:46:16 2012
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
In-Reply-To: <87lip7baj7.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> At Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:50:06 -0500,
> Daniel Clark wrote:
> > 2012/1/16 Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com>
> > > > have an ARM port, make it an optimal distro for a freedom-respecting
> > > > device
> > >
> > > I'm going to take care of that part in few months!!!
> > >
> > > But in general, this problem is just bullshit, this make me sick and
> sad
> > > :-/.
> >
> > Not that this shouldn't be done, but out of general interest are their
> any
> > 100% freedom respecting ARM devices at the moment? Last I looked into
> this
> > (which was two years ago), they all required binary blobs for their 3D
> > graphics, and the 3rd party company that controlled that seemed unlikely
> to
> > release either specs or code under a copyleft license.
>
> The GeeksPhone One (ARMv6) (and I presume the GeeksPhone Zero)[1] is
> freedom respecting.
>
> Rhombus-Tech[2] is creating a Raspberry Pi-like product that will be
> 100% freedom respecting. Even the hardware designs are free.[3]
>
> I am not sure about the OpenMoko Freerunner.
>
> Since it was brought up in a similar discussion on IRC, I'll go ahead
> and rule out the Pandora[4] as it requires non-free firmwares.[5]
>

The BeagleBoard and derivatives based on that SoC have the same problem as
Pandora.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Jan 16 21:54:37 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:54:37 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
In-Reply-To: <87lip7baj7.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> (Luke T. Shumaker's message
 of "Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:30:20 -0500")
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>> Not that this shouldn't be done, but out of general interest are their any
>> 100% freedom respecting ARM devices at the moment? Last I looked into this
>> (which was two years ago), they all required binary blobs for their 3D
>> graphics, and the 3rd party company that controlled that seemed unlikely to
>> release either specs or code under a copyleft license.
>
> The GeeksPhone One (ARMv6) (and I presume the GeeksPhone Zero)[1] is
> freedom respecting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSM7000 suggests it having a similar SoC
to Replicant-supported phones having nonfree baseband processor firmware
with access to all system memory.  It also has a GPU, I haven't found if
it has free drivers or documentation.

> Rhombus-Tech[2] is creating a Raspberry Pi-like product that will be
> 100% freedom respecting. Even the hardware designs are free.[3]

They are not yet creating a product without 3D?graphics,
http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/#software-freedom-information

> I am not sure about the OpenMoko Freerunner.

I'm also not sure.
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 16 22:17:58 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:17:58 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
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At Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:46:16 -0500,
Daniel Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> > Rhombus-Tech[2] is creating a Raspberry Pi-like product that will be
> > 100% freedom respecting. Even the hardware designs are free.[3]
> >
> > Since it was brought up in a similar discussion on IRC, I'll go ahead
> > and rule out the Pandora[4] as it requires non-free firmwares.[5]
> 
> The BeagleBoard and derivatives based on that SoC have the same problem as
> Pandora.

A derivative of the BeagleBoard using the AM3357 instead of the AM3358
would not have these issues.

~ Luke Shumaker


From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 16 22:52:13 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Suggestions for the Parabola's Project
In-Reply-To: <87mx9nmhya.fsf@mtjm.eu>
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At Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:54:37 +0100,
Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
> >> Not that this shouldn't be done, but out of general interest are their any
> >> 100% freedom respecting ARM devices at the moment? Last I looked into this
> >> (which was two years ago), they all required binary blobs for their 3D
> >> graphics, and the 3rd party company that controlled that seemed unlikely to
> >> release either specs or code under a copyleft license.
> >
> > The GeeksPhone One (ARMv6) (and I presume the GeeksPhone Zero)[1] is
> > freedom respecting.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSM7000 suggests it having a similar SoC
> to Replicant-supported phones having nonfree baseband processor firmware
> with access to all system memory.  It also has a GPU, I haven't found if
> it has free drivers or documentation.

Well damn.
https://github.com/rmcc/proprietary_vendor_geeksphone/tree/master/one/proprietary

> > Rhombus-Tech[2] is creating a Raspberry Pi-like product that will be
> > 100% freedom respecting. Even the hardware designs are free.[3]
> 
> They are not yet creating a product without 3D?graphics,
> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/#software-freedom-information

That's really disappointing that the Allwinnder A10 isn't
freedom-respecting. Now, Rhombus is also considering a
BeagleBone-based product that may use a AM3357 instead of a
AM3358. The AM3357 doesn't have the 3D graphics engine, so it would be OK.

~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan 17 04:01:57 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:01:57 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Dave Reisner] pacman 4
	moves to core
Message-ID: <87ehuzx9hm.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


i'm updating it now

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 18 06:19:46 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
Message-ID: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

This was discussed a little in the votation about the domain name,
but:

What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?

Options brought up so far:
 1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
 2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
 3. "Parabola GNU"
 4. "Parabola"

Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.

Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
both use option 3. (by Charles)

Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.

----

My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):

 * It's what we all say anyway.
 * In hope of addopting other kernels.
 * In agreement with sharkx:
   > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
   > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
   > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
   > meaning to me. 

~ Luke Shumaker

Yay for bikeshedding!


From joe at t67.eu  Wed Jan 18 08:26:48 2012
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:26:48 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> (Luke T. Shumaker's message
 of "Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:46 -0500")
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87wr8pl8l3.fsf@yeeloong.t67.eu>

Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> writes:

> This was discussed a little in the votation about the domain name,
> but:
>
> What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
>
> Options brought up so far:
>  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
>  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
>  3. "Parabola GNU"
>  4. "Parabola"
>
> Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
>
> Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
> both use option 3. (by Charles)
>
> Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.
>
> ----
>
> My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):
>
>  * It's what we all say anyway.
>  * In hope of addopting other kernels.
>  * In agreement with sharkx:
>    > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
>    > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
>    > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
>    > meaning to me. 
>
> ~ Luke Shumaker
>
> Yay for bikeshedding!
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

xylon: 4


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Jan 18 10:36:29 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:36:29 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> (Luke T. Shumaker's message
 of "Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:46 -0500")
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <871uqx70wi.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
>
> Options brought up so far:
>  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
>  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
>  3. "Parabola GNU"
>  4. "Parabola"
>
> Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
[...]
> Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.

We can use the Debian way of naming the whole system/project "Parabola",
the system with Linux-libre (and packages built to use glibc on Linux
ABIs) "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre", with Hurd "Parabola GNU/Hurd", with
kFreeBSD "Parabola GNU/kLibreBSD" or "Parabola GNU/kFreeBSD-libre"
depending on kernel deblobbing.

So my argument is mostly for?4, although practically it's for?1 until we
have a port for another kernel.

(A port to a FreeBSD kernel would make a name like "Parabola
GNU/Linux-libre mips64el" necessary to avoid ambiguity.)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Jan 18 12:44:13 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:44:13 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
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References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <874nvtxjs2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:46 -0500, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This was discussed a little in the votation about the domain name,
> but:
> 
> What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
> 
> Options brought up so far:
>  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
>  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
>  3. "Parabola GNU"
>  4. "Parabola"
> 
> Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
> 
> Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
> both use option 3. (by Charles)
> 
> Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.
> 
> ----
> 
> My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):
> 
>  * It's what we all say anyway.
>  * In hope of addopting other kernels.
>  * In agreement with sharkx:
>    > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
>    > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
>    > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
>    > meaning to me. 
> 
> ~ Luke Shumaker
> 
> Yay for bikeshedding!

I generally think of Parabola as the project (meaning community plus
specific goals), but I often use it as a shortcut for the system -
Parabola GNU/Linux-libre. Parabola GNU/Linux always looks misleading,
since we're using Linux but a specific fork of it, that should me
mentioned.

If we were going to be a GNU project it's custom to use GNU Parabola,
not Parabola GNU. This one could refer to the system GNU libs, compilers
and utils + Hurd, since all of them are GNU projects. This way it should be called
"Parabola GNU system" or "Parabola's GNU system".

My vote is for Parabola for the project and GNU/Linux-libre for the
system we're working on :)



PS: Lots of voting lately, I like the democratic practice :)
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 15:41:07 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:41:07 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <874nvtxjs2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
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I think of ?Parabola? as the project and community.

As for the name of the system we are working on
I think it is formally ?GNU/Linux-libre?.

We could work on other projects, so my vote is for 1.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:44:13 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:46 -0500, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
> >
> > Options brought up so far:
> >  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
> >  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux"
> >  3. "Parabola GNU"
> >  4. "Parabola"
> >
> > Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
> >
> > Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
> > both use option 3. (by Charles)
> >
> > Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> > possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):
> >
> >  * It's what we all say anyway.
> >  * In hope of addopting other kernels.
> >  * In agreement with sharkx:
> >    > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
> >    > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
> >    > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
> >    > meaning to me.
> >
> > ~ Luke Shumaker
> >
> > Yay for bikeshedding!
>
> I generally think of Parabola as the project (meaning community plus
> specific goals), but I often use it as a shortcut for the system -
> Parabola GNU/Linux-libre. Parabola GNU/Linux always looks misleading,
> since we're using Linux but a specific fork of it, that should me
> mentioned.
>
> If we were going to be a GNU project it's custom to use GNU Parabola,
> not Parabola GNU. This one could refer to the system GNU libs, compilers
> and utils + Hurd, since all of them are GNU projects. This way it should be called
> "Parabola GNU system" or "Parabola's GNU system".
>
> My vote is for Parabola for the project and GNU/Linux-libre for the
> system we're working on :)
>
>
>
> PS: Lots of voting lately, I like the democratic practice :)
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Jan 18 17:17:59 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:17:59 -0200
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4F16FEC7.8040509@adinet.com.uy>

Em 18-01-2012 04:19, Luke T.Shumaker escreveu:
> This was discussed a little in the votation about the domain name,
> but:
>
> What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
>
> Options brought up so far:
>  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
>  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
>  3. "Parabola GNU"
>  4. "Parabola"
>
> Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
>
> Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
> both use option 3. (by Charles)
>
> Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.
>
> ----
>
> My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):
>
>  * It's what we all say anyway.
>  * In hope of addopting other kernels.
>  * In agreement with sharkx:
>    > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
>    > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
>    > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
>    > meaning to me. 
>
> ~ Luke Shumaker
>
> Yay for bikeshedding!
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
I vote for 4



From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Jan 18 17:20:08 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:20:08 -0200
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4F16FF48.6010706@adinet.com.uy>

Em 18-01-2012 04:19, Luke T.Shumaker escreveu:
> This was discussed a little in the votation about the domain name,
> but:
>
> What do you want the formal name of the operating system to be?
>
> Options brought up so far:
>  1. "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre"
>  2. "Parabola GNU/Linux" 
>  3. "Parabola GNU"
>  4. "Parabola"
>
> Both 1 and 2 have been the official official name so far.
>
> Our latest news post (about parabola.nu) and the related wiki article
> both use option 3. (by Charles)
>
> Options 3 and 4 have appealed to several of us because it opens the
> possibilites of other kernels, such as GNU HURD or kFreeBSD.
>
> ----
>
> My argument for option 4 ("Parabola"):
>
>  * It's what we all say anyway.
>  * In hope of addopting other kernels.
>  * In agreement with sharkx:
>    > I voted for parabola.nu because it dose not have gnu in its
>    > name.  While we follow gnu's philosophy of free software, we are
>    > not affiliated to the gnu organization as such.  ".nu" has no
>    > meaning to me. 
>
> ~ Luke Shumaker
>
> Yay for bikeshedding!
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I vote for 4


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Jan 18 18:50:47 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:50:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] where's my parabola.nu?
Message-ID: <87y5t4x2t4.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

:P


PS: i hosted a webpage on parabola.nu/~fauno because i needed to a few days ago
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Wed Jan 18 23:18:29 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:18:29 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <4F16FF48.6010706@adinet.com.uy>
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <4F16FF48.6010706@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <1326928709.2308.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

My vote goes for the number.... 4! :D

Because I like the idea of have more than one kernel (in my case, will
be a dream have HURD running with Parabola <3). Should we do another
votes to choose what will exist in the root site of Parabola.nu?
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
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Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Jan 19 14:32:01 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:32:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] prepare for updates
Message-ID: <87ipk7wyou.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i recently discovered crond wasn't running db-sync on the repo server
since jan 10th... there were a lot of updates waiting.

please subscribe to maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org to help
monitor this kind of misbehaviour :)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Jan 20 02:27:57 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:27:57 -0300
Subject: [Dev] prepare for updates
In-Reply-To: <86ecadc533d812237b8de5ee33104aaa.squirrel@saslibre.info>
References: <87ipk7wyou.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <86ecadc533d812237b8de5ee33104aaa.squirrel@saslibre.info>
Message-ID: <87d3afw1jm.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:18:53 -0500, "Quiliro Ord??ez" <quiliro at congresolibre.org> wrote:
> 
> El Jue, 19 de Enero de 2012, 9:32 am, Nicol??s Reynolds escribi?:
> > i recently discovered crond wasn't running db-sync on the repo server
> > since jan 10th... there were a lot of updates waiting.
> >
> > please subscribe to maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org to help
> > monitor this kind of misbehaviour :)
> 
> 
> I am subscriber but I don't know what to look for or check. Could you
> reffer to an intro so we can find out?

Any error message, crond not running, monit saying a daemon went down
but was never brought back, etc.  
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From sharkx.forever at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 14:47:24 2012
From: sharkx.forever at gmail.com (sharkx forever)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [votation] Operating system name
In-Reply-To: <1326928709.2308.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <87vco9ilbx.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <4F16FF48.6010706@adinet.com.uy>
 <1326928709.2308.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAK_y_NowethG4yvXeKw1wCO0OkBjLptUeG9CKB94_1nhC62_nA@mail.gmail.com>

I too vote for 4.

Cant wait for Parabola running on HURD!

**
> My vote goes for the number.... 4! :D
>
> Because I like the idea of have more than one kernel (in my case, will be
> a dream have HURD running with Parabola <3). Should we do another votes to
> choose what will exist in the root site of Parabola.nu?
>
>
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Jan 20 14:56:35 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:56:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] linux-libre-3.2.1-1
Message-ID: <87r4yuv2vw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

x86_64 packager ;)
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From cer at parlementum.net  Fri Jan 20 18:24:19 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:24:19 -0800
Subject: [Dev] linux-libre-3.2.1-1
In-Reply-To: <87r4yuv2vw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87r4yuv2vw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120120182419.GA1770@SPQR>

doing it now. put to libre-testing?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:56:35AM -0300, fauno wrote:
> x86_64 packager ;)



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Email: cer at parlementum.net
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Jan 20 23:59:35 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:59:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] linux-libre-3.2.1-1
In-Reply-To: <20120120182419.GA1770@SPQR>
References: <87r4yuv2vw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <20120120182419.GA1770@SPQR>
Message-ID: <874nvqudqw.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:24:19 -0800, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> doing it now. put to libre-testing?

[libre]
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sat Jan 21 14:08:21 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:08:21 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue356] Cabextract only usefull for non-free extracting
Message-ID: <1327154901.62.0.385604768107.issue356@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

I believe this is the only FSDG-related problem with this package.

We include free programs to extract files from archives made by nonfree
programs, e.g. unarchiver is included for this reason.  I don't consider this to
be a problem, if using nonfree software is not the only reason to extract
cabinet files.  I.e. are there .cab files which contain something else than
nonfree software?

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nosy: +dev_list

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Jan 21 14:37:03 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:37:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] vacations \o/
Message-ID: <87k44l6s1c.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

hey! i'm going to take a one week vacation to the sea, so i'm not going
to be connected much (though idling on the irc as always).

i'll take off on tuesday/wednesday. xylon and mtjm have access to the
repo/mail/wiki/.nu server and xylon has it for bugs/git/web. 

crond is working already so db-sync's should be running smoothly
again, but please subscribe to the maintenance list to keep an eye on
them. 

-- 
fauno
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Sat Jan 21 14:37:27 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:37:27 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [Parabolaweb] Merge of Archweb changes - testers wanted
Message-ID: <4F1ACDA7.7020008@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I merged the latest changes from Archweb to our code. You can find my 
results at https://johkra.net/gitweb/?p=parabolaweb.git;a=summary

I would appreciate some testing, since there were some changes to static 
files and I'm not sure I caught everything which is wrong now.

Keep the changes for static files also in mind should you decide to 
deploy this version.

Regards,

Johannes

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From cer at parlementum.net  Sat Jan 21 15:42:50 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:42:50 -0800
Subject: [Dev] vacations \o/
In-Reply-To: <87k44l6s1c.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87k44l6s1c.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120121154250.GA1423@SPQR>

Enjoy Fauno!

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:37:03AM -0300, fauno wrote:
> hey! i'm going to take a one week vacation to the sea, so i'm not going
> to be connected much (though idling on the irc as always).
> 
> i'll take off on tuesday/wednesday. xylon and mtjm have access to the
> repo/mail/wiki/.nu server and xylon has it for bugs/git/web. 
> 
> crond is working already so db-sync's should be running smoothly
> again, but please subscribe to the maintenance list to keep an eye on
> them. 
> 
> -- 
> fauno



> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


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General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at parlementum.net
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sat Jan 21 15:58:40 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:58:40 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue258] [kdenetwork-kopete] recommends skype
In-Reply-To: <1321546980.96.0.682671424094.issue258@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327161520.32.0.571201559902.issue258@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Added libre/kdenetwork to abslibre, making kdenetwork-kopete-libre with Trisquel
changes.  Probably fixes this, needs i686 and mips64el packaging.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Jan 21 23:58:08 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:58:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Dave Reisner] kmod replaces
	module-init-tools
Message-ID: <874nvozjzj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan 22 03:28:15 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Jristz (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:28:15 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue356] Cabextract only usefull for non-free extracting
Message-ID: <1327202895.48.0.245453712208.issue356@parabolagnulinux.org>


Jristz added the comment:

The problem is that the .CAB (cabextract extract this CAB archives) are the propetary of MS 
(since...90...or a litle beffore)
frecuently the .CAB is used in "Service Pack (propertary of MS for the propertary SO), "Longhorn videos" 
(aka, videos from "Vista"), Video codecs (For the propetary system, and MS Core Fonts (ttf-{vista,ms}-
fonts (Extracted from the webpage)
and why need a tol for extract "software from a .CAB archgive" if the real FOSS give the binary code 
instead a prepackaged .CAB cabinet...

the webpage if you want too a look: http://www.cabextract.org.uk/

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan 22 09:38:56 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (dimqua (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:38:56 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue350] [iceweasel-libre] Google SafeBrowsing enabled by
	default
In-Reply-To: <1326224824.89.0.198757640764.issue350@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327225136.25.0.982212784612.issue350@parabolagnulinux.org>


dimqua added the comment:

I am sorry it was my mistake. I close this issue.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Jan 22 13:26:04 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:26:04 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue356] Cabextract only useful for non-free extracting
Message-ID: <1327238764.24.0.456077069572.issue356@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

You can make a cab file using lcab and extract it using cabextract (both are in
repos).  There are tools for making cab files included with Windows or some
software used there, so maybe users of these systems make cab files not
containing nonfree software and share them with users of free operating systems
(it's technically pointless, like using RAR files instead of e.g. 7z files).

I really don't see how it would be worse than tools to decode MP3, run programs
built for Windows, or to extract RAR files (these also are used for nonfree
software) which are also included and had been discussed many times.

(There are also completely useless packages included, like ati-dri, we don't
remove them.)

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 22 21:54:26 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:54:26 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Dave Reisner] kmod
	replaces	module-init-tools
In-Reply-To: <874nvozjzj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <874nvozjzj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87ty3niest.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

We should post this as a news post on the website.

~ Luke Shumaker

At Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:18:01 -0000,
Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Dave Reisner wrote:
> Dave Reisner wrote:
> 
> With module-init-tools being declared a dead project by its current
> maintainer, a new project has stepped up to take its place:
> kmod. This is intended to be a drop-in replacement, though
> deprecated functionality in module-init-tools has not been
> reimplemented.
> 
> If, upon upgrade, pacman moves `/etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf` to a
> .pacsave, you should move it back. This file, and any other config
> read by module-init-tools, is still read by kmod. However, the kmod
> package will no longer include a blank config file. You'll find the
> same (if not more) documentation in the manpages and --help output
> for the binaries.
> 
> URL: http://www.archlinux.org/news/kmod-replaces-module-init-tools/


From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 22 21:58:57 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [Parabolaweb] Merge of Archweb changes - testers wanted
In-Reply-To: <4F1ACDA7.7020008@gmail.com>
References: <4F1ACDA7.7020008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87sjj7iela.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

I have been meaning to do this too, since on the server, the depends
are tracked with pacman, and the version of python-memcached in repos
is not within the range specified in requirements_prod.txt

I'll take a look at your merge.

~ Luke Shumaker

At Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:37:27 +0100,
Johannes Krampf wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I merged the latest changes from Archweb to our code. You can find my 
> results at https://johkra.net/gitweb/?p=parabolaweb.git;a=summary
> 
> I would appreciate some testing, since there were some changes to static 
> files and I'm not sure I caught everything which is wrong now.
> 
> Keep the changes for static files also in mind should you decide to 
> deploy this version.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Johannes
> 
> P.S. Now with 100% more GPG signed messages.
> 


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 23 02:44:04 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:44:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] changes on libretools.git ("fauno" branch)
Message-ID: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

yeah i know but i couldn't come up with something better (it was meant
to track my own workflow on mips64el)

today i was inspired and did two things:

* added a revamped fullpkg, called treepkg that's a lot shorter and
  simpler IMO. the idea as always is to give it a PKGBUILD on an ABS
  tree and let it find dependencies inside it.

* modified is_built to be a lot quicker that it was.

-- 
fauno
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From jy at dervormund.info  Mon Jan 23 04:23:30 2012
From: jy at dervormund.info (Joseph Yaworski)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Updating to Pacman 4 on MIPS
Message-ID: <4F1CE0C2.2020807@dervormund.info>

Hey all:

When are we going to package pacman 4 for MIPS64el?

This also requires that we update:

pyalpm


This is actually blocking the install of devtools, as well. As it 
requires pyalpm >= .5


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 23 22:57:20 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:57:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Updating to Pacman 4 on MIPS
In-Reply-To: <4F1CE0C2.2020807@dervormund.info>
References: <4F1CE0C2.2020807@dervormund.info>
Message-ID: <87fwf6vxgv.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:23:30 -0500, Joseph Yaworski <jy at dervormund.info> wrote:
> Hey all:
> 
> When are we going to package pacman 4 for MIPS64el?
> 
> This also requires that we update:
> 
> pyalpm
> 
> 
> This is actually blocking the install of devtools, as well. As it 
> requires pyalpm >= .5

packaged :D
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Jan 24 13:41:19 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:41:19 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Karl Goetz] [GNU-linux-libre] potentially tained/non-free
	software
Message-ID: <87sjj5w740.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Jan 25 01:23:39 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:23:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] package signing is required for db-update
Message-ID: <87ty3kpobo.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

it has the awesome custom to reject the whole batch of packages if
something's missing on one, so please sign your packages (ie
libretools).

ps: i won't be connected at all for at least a week.
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:11:29 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:11:29 -0600
Subject: [Dev] changes on libretools.git ("fauno" branch)
In-Reply-To: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87k44fakbi.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:44:04 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> yeah i know but i couldn't come up with something better (it was meant
> to track my own workflow on mips64el)
>
> today i was inspired and did two things:
>
> * added a revamped fullpkg, called treepkg that's a lot shorter and
>   simpler IMO. the idea as always is to give it a PKGBUILD on an ABS
>   tree and let it find dependencies inside it.

I think treepkg optimizations should be integrated in ?fullpkg-find? and
?fullpkg-build?. I like those processes separated because is a lot
easier to continue from where you were if an error ocurrs in builds.

Also, I think new scripts on libretools should have an usage string.

>
> * modified is_built to be a lot quicker that it was.
>
I like it, we need to update scripts using is_built for the new way of
indicating version on merge.

If I have time I'm doing this on the week.

> --
> fauno
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Wed Jan 25 15:29:58 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:29:58 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [Maintenance] Cron <repo@repo>
	/srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours
In-Reply-To: <20120124131705.9738C2740AE@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>
References: <20120124131705.9738C2740AE@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <4F201FF6.2030904@congresolibre.org>

FYI
==>  WARNING: This package doesn't contain a license dir



-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: 	[Maintenance] Cron /srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours
Fecha: 	Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:17:01 +0000 (GMT)
De: 	repo at parabolagnulinux.org (Cron Daemon)
Responder a: 	For maintenance stuff 
<maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org>
Para: 	maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org



==> Processing core...
  -> Syncing mips64el...
  -> Already synced (or error happened)
==> Processing testing...
  -> No 'any' packages here
==> Processing extra...
  -> Syncing mips64el...
  -> Already synced (or error happened)
==> Processing community...
  -> Syncing mips64el...
  -> Synced 1 packages: spring-kp-4.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
  -> Adding to db...
==>  Extracting database to a temporary location...
==>  Adding package 'spring-kp-4.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz'
   ->  Removing existing entry 'spring-kp-4.2-1'...
==>  Removing license
   ->  Creating 'desc' db entry...
   ->  Computing md5 checksums...
   ->  Creating 'depends' db entry...
==>  Extracting license
license = custom:publicdomain
==>  WARNING: This package doesn't contain a license dir
==>  Creating updated database file 'community.db.tar.gz'
==> Processing multilib...
  -> No 'any' packages here
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 18:17:55 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:17:55 -0600
Subject: [Dev] changes on libretools.git ("fauno" branch)
In-Reply-To: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87d3a7abos.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:44:04 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:

> * modified is_built to be a lot quicker that it was.

Merged, added -d flag to avoid errors when it is not possible to update
package on local system (that failed when I was testing is_built on
pacman in mips64el where pyalpm is not built).


From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Jan 25 21:16:06 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=C3=A1ndez_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:16:06 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327526166.39.0.665527792296.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


Joshua Ismael Haase Hern?ndez added the comment:

We should be checking if software is free on it's license, not wikipedia.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Jan 25 21:24:49 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=C3=A1ndez_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:24:49 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327526689.49.0.333460705188.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


Joshua Ismael Haase Hern?ndez added the comment:

It is in fact free.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Jan 25 22:39:00 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=C3=A1ndez_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries updates
 break packages.
Message-ID: <1327531140.75.0.208360192636.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Joshua Ismael Haase Hern?ndez:

Hi everyone.

On mips64el arch we have constant problems when updating shared libraries
because packages which depend on them are not updated accordingly. This
should be done by our building script.

Right now we have a really ugly ?toru? which checks where are the PKGBUILD
for each pkgsplit, so that is trivial to find them next, and makes a list
of packages which we need to update.

I think we should rewrite that script (mainly for readability and cleanness)
to do it's job right and to make a list of package dependencies like:

ffmpeg: vlc, mplayer, etc

So that when we update ffmpeg the script knows we need to update those too.

This could also help for issues like 
https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue260

Do you have another idea?

Greetings Joshua (xihh)

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keyword: automation, libretools, mips64el, packages
messages: 1425
nosy: dev_list, xihh
priority: urgent
status: unread
title: [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries updates break packages.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan 26 01:12:42 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (aloniv (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 01:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327540362.67.0.764560329978.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


aloniv added the comment:

I just took a look at the license page here:

http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license

Note that I assume "no-charge" means that you cannot charge money for modifications you make 
to the software hence it is unclear whether whether the license is free or not:

Portions of the source code of Your Product not contained in This Product (e.g., portions added by 
You in creating Your Product, whether created by You or by third parties) must be available under 
license(s) that (however, see also Subsection III.1.e) allow(s) anyone to modify and derive new works 
from the portions of the source code that are not contained in This Product and to use, copy, and 
redistribute such modifications and/or derivative works. The license(s) must be perpetual, non-
exclusive, royalty-free, no-charge, and worldwide, and must not invalidate, weaken, restrict, 
interpret, amend, modify, interfere with or otherwise affect any part, term, provision, or clause of 
this License.

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 03:37:52 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:37:52 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1327540362.67.0.764560329978.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
References: <1327540362.67.0.764560329978.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <87ty3j8773.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>


If after this mail I find no objection I will set back to resolved
tomorrow. Hope this does.

Section II. 2 states:

Provided that You comply with all applicable terms and conditions of
this License, /**** You may use This Product freely (see also Chapter III) on
any number of computers/systems for non-commercial and/or commercial
purposes. ****/

Setion III. 1 states:

If all conditions specified in the following paragraphs in this Chapter
(III) are met (for exceptions, see Section III.2) and if You comply with
all other applicable terms and conditions of this License, You may
modify This Product (thus forming Your Product), derive new works from
This Product or portions thereof (thus forming Your Product), include
This Product or portions thereof in another product (thus forming Your
Product, unless defined otherwise in Chapter I), and /**** You may use (for
non-commercial and/or commercial purposes), copy, and/or distribute Your
Product. ****/


> aloniv added the comment:
> 
> I just took a look at the license page here:
> 
> http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license
> 
> Note that I assume "no-charge" means that you cannot charge money for modifications you make 
> to the software hence it is unclear whether whether the license is free or not:

The section you cited III.e states:

To summarize:

a) While you distribute derived works source code must be public.

b) The code must not be offuscated.

c) License of derived works must be compatible with this license for no
extra fee. (The license must be no-charge). It does not forbid selling
the program.

Full text:

The complete source code of Your Product must be freely and publicly
available (for exceptions, see Section III.2) at least until You cease
to distribute Your Product. This condition can be met in one or both of
the following ways: (i) You include the complete source code of Your
Product with every copy of Your Product that You make and distribute and
You make all such copies of Your Product available to the general public
free of charge, and/or (ii) You include information (valid and correct
at least until You cease to distribute Your Product) about where the
complete source code of Your Product can be obtained free of charge
(e.g., an Internet address) or for a reasonable reproduction fee with
every copy of Your Product that You make and distribute and, if there is
a web site officially associated with Your Product, You include the
aforementioned information about the source code on a freely and
publicly accessible web page to which such web site links via an easily
viewable hyperlink (at least until You cease to distribute Your
Product).

The source code of Your Product must not be deliberately obfuscated and
it must not be in an intermediate form (e.g., the output of a
preprocessor). Source code means the preferred form in which a
programmer would usually modify the program.

Portions of the source code of Your Product not contained in This
Product (e.g., portions added by You in creating Your Product, whether
created by You or by third parties) must be available under license(s)
that (however, see also Subsection III.1.e) allow(s) anyone to modify
and derive new works from the portions of the source code that are not
contained in This Product and to use, copy, and redistribute such
modifications and/or derivative works. The license(s) must be perpetual,
non-exclusive, royalty-free, no-charge, and worldwide, and must not
invalidate, weaken, restrict, interpret, amend, modify, interfere with
or otherwise affect any part, term, provision, or clause of this
License. The text(s) of the license(s) must be included with every copy
of Your Product that You make and distribute



From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan 26 15:13:22 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=C3=A1ndez_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:13:22 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue212] [icecat] 6.0 or later doesn't restore tabs
Message-ID: <1327590802.98.0.226432138334.issue212@parabolagnulinux.org>


Joshua Ismael Haase Hern?ndez added the comment:

Is this a problem on iceweasel? Otherwise we shoul mark this as resolved.

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Thu Jan 26 17:15:36 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:15:36 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [Maintenance] Cron <repo@repo>
	/srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours
In-Reply-To: <4F201FF6.2030904@congresolibre.org> ("Quiliro
 \=\?utf-8\?B\?T3Jk\?\= \=\?utf-8\?B\?w7PDsWV6Iidz\?\= message
 of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:29:58 -0500")
References: <20120124131705.9738C2740AE@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>
 <4F201FF6.2030904@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <8762fy1j2f.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> ==> Adding package 'spring-kp-4.4-1-any.pkg.tar.xz'
>   -> Removing existing entry 'spring-kp-4.2-1'...
> ==> Removing license
>   -> Creating 'desc' db entry...
>   -> Computing md5 checksums...
>   -> Creating 'depends' db entry...
> ==> Extracting license
> license = custom:publicdomain
> ==> WARNING: This package doesn't contain a license dir

Blacklisting, its readme has the following:

> - The maps Major Madness and Speed Balls 16 Way status are unknown
> - The maps Central Hub, Corrupted Core, Dual Core, Quad Core are CC BY-NC-SA

If anyone here wants to remove these maps, it will need also changing
the license list to include GPL and checking if all public domain files
were really possible to put into the public domain (e.g. works of
European non-UK authors cannot be put into the public domain), it would
be best to find permissive licensing statements or ask the authors to
license it under CC0.
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan 26 18:34:17 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:34:17 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries updates
 break packages.
In-Reply-To: <1327531140.75.0.208360192636.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

It's not mips64el-specific, I often find this problem with texlive-bin-libre
(mplayer-libre is also a victim of this problem, but this could be fixed by
replacing it with mplayer2).  Therefore checking reverse dependencies when
building a package won't solve this, since we don't build all packages.

Issue224 describes a generic way to find such problems, changing scripts
updating the repo instead of the building ones.  With another set of repos for
breaking updates and a list for notifications of updates being added there, it
would be easy to solve this problem.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Jan 26 19:11:54 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=C3=A1ndez_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:11:54 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue224] Check if a package being updated changes soname of
 an included library
In-Reply-To: <1319649337.3.0.0967187104392.issue224@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327605114.38.0.447054336169.issue224@parabolagnulinux.org>


Joshua Ismael Haase Hern?ndez added the comment:

I think solving this issue will drop our bug count dramatically, so I think it
should be at least ugent, if not critical.

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 19:21:01 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:21:01 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries
	updates break packages.
In-Reply-To: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
References: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <878vkui82q.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:34:17 +0000, Micha? Mas?owski (Parabola Issue Tracker) <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org> wrote:
> 
> Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:
> 
> It's not mips64el-specific, I often find this problem with texlive-bin-libre
> (mplayer-libre is also a victim of this problem, but this could be fixed by
> replacing it with mplayer2).  Therefore checking reverse dependencies when
> building a package won't solve this, since we don't build all packages.

We could automatically rebuild packages wich need modification, we are
not doing it yet, but we may start.

> Issue224 describes a generic way to find such problems, changing scripts
> updating the repo instead of the building ones.  With another set of repos for
> breaking updates and a list for notifications of updates being added there, it
> would be easy to solve this problem.

We could implement both options: Checking while building AND checking
while updating repos.

What changes would be needed to implement the algorithm on Issue224?



From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Thu Jan 26 19:54:03 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:54:03 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries
	updates break packages.
In-Reply-To: <878vkui82q.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez's message of "Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:21:01
 -0600")
References: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
 <878vkui82q.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <87ty3iz1d0.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> We could implement both options: Checking while building AND checking
> while updating repos.

How will we check while building?  I don't see an effective way to do
this without knowing which libraries were in the previous version of the
package.

> What changes would be needed to implement the algorithm on Issue224?

It's not clear from the algorithm's description how to implement it,
I'll think about it after the weekend.

I could try implementing a script to check a single package, using a
database shared between multiple runs.  Would using Python and SQLite be
a problem for this?

Checking while updating would be done by running the script on each new
upload and sending its output to a list.  I don't know exactly which
scripts do this, maybe db-update or something used in it.

Checking while building could use the script with maybe a different
database.
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Jan 27 03:33:14 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Luke Shumaker (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:33:14 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue212] [icecat] 6.0 or later doesn't restore tabs
Message-ID: <1327635193.99.0.660840274535.issue212@parabolagnulinux.org>


Luke Shumaker added the comment:

This is not a problem with Iceweasel.

However, it is still a problem with IceCat, which we still package, so I
hesitate to call it resolved. I really do believe that it is a bug in upstream,
not our end, so I'd be happy with a "wont-fix", but we don't seem to have that.

I wrote a patch that I think will fix it (and v9.0.1's other bugs), but I
haven't tested it. I haven't built it because it breaks libre.patch, and I
haven't had time to fix that.

For the sake of getting it out there:
  http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/other/icecat-fix-untested.patch
  http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/other/icecat-fix-branding.tar.gz

It's pretty massive (half a meg!), and probably is a little wrong, when I have
more time and don't have more pressing issues (Iceweasel makes it less
important), I'll do a more thorough review of it. Most of the changes in my
patch are to reduce differences between it and Firefox; I need to take a closer
look at make.icecat.

Also, I repackaged the branding, but I should take a few pointers from how
Debian did it. (Makefiles and all)

I do intend to file these upstream as 9.0.1.1

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Jan 27 03:37:45 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Luke Shumaker (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:37:45 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327635465.86.0.534528782557.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


Luke Shumaker added the comment:

I say we trust debian-legal; I'm reading through this crazy long thread to see
what they think of v3 of the license. We may also want to consider the
freedesktop.org's legal team. (most distros are deferring to one of those or
Fedora's, but Fedora's is for an older version)

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00294.html
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000276.html

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Jan 27 13:43:45 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:43:45 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue370] [mips64el] don't have unnecessary repos in
 abslibre-pre-mips64el and abslibre-mips64el
Message-ID: <1327671825.94.0.563216390589.issue370@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Micha? Mas?owski:

Currently mips64el packaging is done mostly with abslibre-mips64el, a repo of
PKGBUILDs from x86_64 abs tree (in abslibre-pre-mips64el) with changes done by
mips64el packagers.  This has several problems:

- boring and bug-prone merge is needed for an update from abslibre-pre-mips64el

- many changes and some conflicts above are caused by repos not used on
mips64el, e.g. staging, testing, multilib

- abslibre's changes aren't properly versioned in abslibre-mips64el, just saved
daily without original commits

- changing libre packages for use on other arches needs a separate repo, not
used for mips64el building

- we need to merge mips64el-specific changes in our repos like libre, while
there is no need for that

- we sometimes fix non-mips64el-specific problems in libre which are later
needed on x86_64

I recommend changing the scripts updating abslibre-pre-mips64el, so it only has
the core, extra and community repos; merging all useful changes done for
mips64el in Parabola-specific repos from abslibre-mips64el to abslibre; using
abslibre directly also for mips64el packaging of packages from non-Arch repos.

These changes would be much simpler to introduce than a complete reorganization
of repos discussed a long time ago, solve some problems and not make such a
reorganization harder.

(I chose the "bug" priority, since this leads to real problems like some libre
packages being buildable only on mips64el, and makes more bugs possible to
introduce when merging from abslibre-pre-mips64el.)

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keyword: mips64el
messages: 1463
nosy: dev_list, mtjm
priority: bug
status: unread
title: [mips64el] don't have unnecessary repos in abslibre-pre-mips64el and abslibre-mips64el

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 15:55:39 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:55:39 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [issue370] [mips64el] don't have unnecessary repos in
	abslibre-pre-mips64el and abslibre-mips64el
In-Reply-To: <1327671825.94.0.563216390589.issue370@parabolagnulinux.org>
References: <1327671825.94.0.563216390589.issue370@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <87y5stw35w.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:43:45 +0000, Micha? Mas?owski (Parabola Issue Tracker) <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org> wrote:
> 
> New submission from Micha? Mas?owski:
> 
> Currently mips64el packaging is done mostly with abslibre-mips64el, a repo of
> PKGBUILDs from x86_64 abs tree (in abslibre-pre-mips64el) with changes done by
> mips64el packagers.  This has several problems:

I'd like to have just one abs location (including all Archlinux
packages, our abslibre and abslibre-mips64el) organized like
ABSROOT/pkgname. We could automatically update from abs in an ?arch?
branch and update automatically packages wich need only to add mips64el
(this could be extensible to other arches).

For PKGBUILDS which need more changes it may be good to have a different
file named PKGBUILD.mips64el (or .$arch) and instead of a different repo
for testing a testing folder or a testing-PKGBUILD.

Ideally I think the best thing is to have a git repo per pkgbase and
sync everything with a tool like ?git-repo? from google or ?gits?. That
way we could have contributors to a single packages and they wouldn't
have to download all abs.

Thats for maintaining abs. We could use traditional abs to build using
libretools unchanged.

> - boring and bug-prone merge is needed for an update from
> abslibre-pre-mips64el

In most cases this would be an automatic cherry pick and when more
changes are needed it would be a manual process.

> - many changes and some conflicts above are caused by repos not used on
> mips64el, e.g. staging, testing, multilib

I think we shouldn't manage repos as folders, and agree we have no need
to have ?multilib? packages if we are maintaining just mips64el. We
could have a script to download packages from selected repos and arches. 

> - abslibre's changes aren't properly versioned in abslibre-mips64el, just saved
> daily without original commits

I try to use librecommit which makes that, our automatic script could
commit using librecommit too thus making easy this versioning.

> - changing libre packages for use on other arches needs a separate repo, not
> used for mips64el building

This I don't get it

> - we need to merge mips64el-specific changes in our repos like libre, while
> there is no need for that

This wouldn't be needed either in the system I propose because mips64el
specific changes would be in a different file.

> - we sometimes fix non-mips64el-specific problems in libre which are later
> needed on x86_64

Again this would be solved.

> I recommend changing the scripts updating abslibre-pre-mips64el, so it only has
> the core, extra and community repos; merging all useful changes done for
> mips64el in Parabola-specific repos from abslibre-mips64el to abslibre; using
> abslibre directly also for mips64el packaging of packages from non-Arch repos.

Agreed, in the meantime of getting this reorganization we shouldn't
merge those repos.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Fri Jan 27 17:48:53 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:48:53 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [issue370] [mips64el] don't have unnecessary repos in
	abslibre-pre-mips64el and abslibre-mips64el
In-Reply-To: <87y5stw35w.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez's message of "Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:55:39
 -0600")
References: <1327671825.94.0.563216390589.issue370@parabolagnulinux.org>
 <87y5stw35w.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <87liotm3y2.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> For PKGBUILDS which need more changes it may be good to have a different
> file named PKGBUILD.mips64el (or .$arch) and instead of a different repo
> for testing a testing folder or a testing-PKGBUILD.

PKGBUILDs aren't the only files in the pkgbase folder, so separate
folders would be needed.  However, it would reintroduce the problem of
having to merge changes for mips64el or for our other arches.

Why not have branches, like arch-extra, arch-testing, parabola-extra,
parabola-testing, with no architecture-specific things?

I think it would more easily support merges between testing and
non-testing repos.

> Thats for maintaining abs. We could use traditional abs to build using
> libretools unchanged.

Building often needs changing the PKGBUILDs, I wouldn't try using
another abs for building to upload a package (I use an abs tree only for
unpacking sources of possibly non-FSDG packages).

>> - boring and bug-prone merge is needed for an update from
>> abslibre-pre-mips64el
>
> In most cases this would be an automatic cherry pick and when more
> changes are needed it would be a manual process.

I've noticed several times patches/PKGBUILD-lines "disappearing" from
gcc or glibc, this would be a good change (I don't want to change the
gcc PKGBUILD unless necessary).

>> - abslibre's changes aren't properly versioned in abslibre-mips64el, just saved
>> daily without original commits
>
> I try to use librecommit which makes that, our automatic script could
> commit using librecommit too thus making easy this versioning.

This will be solved by having a single repo for package used on all
arches.  The automatic script would need to make commits using mostly
original metadata, this would be more complex than using a single repo.

>> - changing libre packages for use on other arches needs a separate repo, not
>> used for mips64el building
>
> This I don't get it

I use my YeeLoong sometimes when fixing non-mips64el-specific bugs,
e.g. packaging epdfview-libre, updating texlive-bin-libre or fixing
texlive-core-libre to not conflict with texlive-langextra.  I don't use
abslibre-mips64el for such changes, since it would make merging changes
to build on other arches more complex.

>> - we need to merge mips64el-specific changes in our repos like libre, while
>> there is no need for that
>
> This wouldn't be needed either in the system I propose because mips64el
> specific changes would be in a different file.

The problem is merging changes from the different, non-mips64el, file to
the mips64el one, my description of the problem was wrong.  I believe
such merges are harder than ignoring mips64el-specific lines in the
single file for all arches by other Parabola packagers, like they
already do with i686-specific or x86_64-specific changes (since most
packagers use only i686 or only x86_64).

>> - we sometimes fix non-mips64el-specific problems in libre which are later
>> needed on x86_64
>
> Again this would be solved.

Solved by not having a mips64el-specific file or branch.
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sat Jan 28 17:02:02 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (aloniv (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:02:02 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue352] [truecrypt] Package is non-free
In-Reply-To: <1326225201.8.0.144160221387.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1327770122.88.0.313864499396.issue352@parabolagnulinux.org>


aloniv added the comment:

In the Apache license the term "no-charge" appears as well in regards to granting users the right to 
redistribute and modify the software and use the patents without needing to pay money to the 
developers of the software (see http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0). In the TrueCrypt 
license the wording isn't quite as clear. The Truecrypt license seems also problematic from other 
aspects, since it uses the confusing "intellectual property" phrase, discusses use of different names 
for the software in the modification section instead of in the trademarks section (where it belongs) 
and claims to be free software and open source (despite not being recognised as either) in the 
trademarks section.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Jan 29 23:41:30 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:41:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] changes on libretools.git ("fauno" branch)
In-Reply-To: <87d3a7abos.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
References: <87k44jxhmz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87d3a7abos.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <87k44aoz4l.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:17:55 -0600, Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:44:04 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> 
> > * modified is_built to be a lot quicker that it was.
> 
> Merged, added -d flag to avoid errors when it is not possible to update
> package on local system (that failed when I was testing is_built on
> pacman in mips64el where pyalpm is not built).


mmm i added this on my own (-dd actually) but i guess i didn't push it :P 
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Jan 29 23:58:20 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:58:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries
	updates break packages.
In-Reply-To: <87ty3iz1d0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
 <878vkui82q.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <87ty3iz1d0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87hazeoycj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:54:03 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > We could implement both options: Checking while building AND checking
> > while updating repos.
> 
> How will we check while building?  I don't see an effective way to do
> this without knowing which libraries were in the previous version of the
> package.
> 
> > What changes would be needed to implement the algorithm on Issue224?
> 
> It's not clear from the algorithm's description how to implement it,
> I'll think about it after the weekend.
> 
> I could try implementing a script to check a single package, using a
> database shared between multiple runs.  Would using Python and SQLite be
> a problem for this?
> 
> Checking while updating would be done by running the script on each new
> upload and sending its output to a list.  I don't know exactly which
> scripts do this, maybe db-update or something used in it.
> 
> Checking while building could use the script with maybe a different
> database.

Obtaining file lists from packages is trivial, just bsdtar tf all
packages... and we should do this anyway to have $repo.file.tar.gz
databases. But IIRC those aren't easily parsable (too many files).

You can also temporarily extract files under binary directories and make
a database of linked libraries, then compare. When something's missing,
a binary just broke.

Example:

mplayer-libre links to x264:

$ ldd mplayer
  /usr/lib/libx264.so.8

^ store that

Look for /usr/lib/libx264.so.8 on file database. If missing, mplayer is
broken. This can be done in a relational database fashion to have
immediate results instead of individual checking.

There's an Arch script that checks repositories health. Maybe it does
this already? It's on dbscripts.git, if you're subscribe to
arch-dev-public you'll see the reports.




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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 00:19:38 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:19:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [issue370] [mips64el] don't have unnecessary repos in
	abslibre-pre-mips64el and abslibre-mips64el
In-Reply-To: <87liotm3y2.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <1327671825.94.0.563216390589.issue370@parabolagnulinux.org>
 <87y5stw35w.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <87liotm3y2.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87ehuioxd1.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:48:53 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > For PKGBUILDS which need more changes it may be good to have a different
> > file named PKGBUILD.mips64el (or .$arch) and instead of a different repo
> > for testing a testing folder or a testing-PKGBUILD.
> 
> PKGBUILDs aren't the only files in the pkgbase folder, so separate
> folders would be needed.  However, it would reintroduce the problem of
> having to merge changes for mips64el or for our other arches.
> 
> Why not have branches, like arch-extra, arch-testing, parabola-extra,
> parabola-testing, with no architecture-specific things?
> 
> I think it would more easily support merges between testing and
> non-testing repos.
> 
> > Thats for maintaining abs. We could use traditional abs to build using
> > libretools unchanged.
> 
> Building often needs changing the PKGBUILDs, I wouldn't try using
> another abs for building to upload a package (I use an abs tree only for
> unpacking sources of possibly non-FSDG packages).
> 
> >> - boring and bug-prone merge is needed for an update from
> >> abslibre-pre-mips64el
> >
> > In most cases this would be an automatic cherry pick and when more
> > changes are needed it would be a manual process.
> 
> I've noticed several times patches/PKGBUILD-lines "disappearing" from
> gcc or glibc, this would be a good change (I don't want to change the
> gcc PKGBUILD unless necessary).
> 
> >> - abslibre's changes aren't properly versioned in abslibre-mips64el, just saved
> >> daily without original commits
> >
> > I try to use librecommit which makes that, our automatic script could
> > commit using librecommit too thus making easy this versioning.
> 
> This will be solved by having a single repo for package used on all
> arches.  The automatic script would need to make commits using mostly
> original metadata, this would be more complex than using a single repo.
> 
> >> - changing libre packages for use on other arches needs a separate repo, not
> >> used for mips64el building
> >
> > This I don't get it
> 
> I use my YeeLoong sometimes when fixing non-mips64el-specific bugs,
> e.g. packaging epdfview-libre, updating texlive-bin-libre or fixing
> texlive-core-libre to not conflict with texlive-langextra.  I don't use
> abslibre-mips64el for such changes, since it would make merging changes
> to build on other arches more complex.
> 
> >> - we need to merge mips64el-specific changes in our repos like libre, while
> >> there is no need for that
> >
> > This wouldn't be needed either in the system I propose because mips64el
> > specific changes would be in a different file.
> 
> The problem is merging changes from the different, non-mips64el, file to
> the mips64el one, my description of the problem was wrong.  I believe
> such merges are harder than ignoring mips64el-specific lines in the
> single file for all arches by other Parabola packagers, like they
> already do with i686-specific or x86_64-specific changes (since most
> packagers use only i686 or only x86_64).
> 
> >> - we sometimes fix non-mips64el-specific problems in libre which are later
> >> needed on x86_64
> >
> > Again this would be solved.
> 
> Solved by not having a mips64el-specific file or branch.


while i agree that the current workflow is extremely opaque, complex and
boring, i don't see the need to re-engineer abs to accomplish
it... to avoid more breakage we should follow upstream since most of the
changes come from there.

arch's svntogit is converting the svn structure $pkgbase/$repo.$arch/ to
git branches packages/$pkgbase or community/$pkgbase so contributors
only checkout the packages they need.

the problem i see with this is that automatic scripts should constantly
shift branches to get different packages?

the opaqueness is my fault. i hacked the updating script directly on the
server but haven't pushed it to dbscripts.git or any other code repo. i
plan to move it to dbscripts this week.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 04:46:00 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:46:00 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] ConnochaetOS
In-Reply-To: <1327532579.31204@bluehome.net>
References: <1327532579.31204@bluehome.net>
Message-ID: <87d3a1ol13.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:03:00 -0800 (PST), "Jason Self" <jason at bluehome.net> wrote:
> Has anyone else taken a look at this GNU/Linux distribution? It took me longer 
> than I had planned but I eventually made my way through all of the ConnochaetOS 
> packages and I think that the meet the FSF's criteria at this point. The 
> exception is calling themselves "open source" rather than free software but RMS 
> said on this list that "we don't make upholding our political views a condition 
> of our endorsement."
> 
> http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-08/msg00059.html

+1 :D
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Jan 30 11:16:08 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Dev] [issue366] [libretools] [mips64el] Shared libraries
	updates break packages.
In-Reply-To: <87hazeoycj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:58:20 -0300")
References: <1327602857.19.0.756591501978.issue366@parabolagnulinux.org>
 <878vkui82q.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <87ty3iz1d0.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87hazeoycj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87liopigp3.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> You can also temporarily extract files under binary directories and make
> a database of linked libraries, then compare. When something's missing,
> a binary just broke.

I wanted to check all files if they have ELF's magic number, warn if
they aren't in typical binary directories, and parse them for names of
needed libraries.

> Example:
>
> mplayer-libre links to x264:
>
> $ ldd mplayer
>   /usr/lib/libx264.so.8
>
> ^ store that

ldd will list a library for all programs using it or other libraries
using it.  Using ld's option --as-needed usually removes these
dependencies, so e.g. a libpng update won't require rebuilding all
programs using typical GUI libraries (but not libpng directly).  Parsing
ELFs will give better results.

> Look for /usr/lib/libx264.so.8 on file database. If missing, mplayer is
> broken. This can be done in a relational database fashion to have
> immediate results instead of individual checking.

It would be nice to check if it's in a package required (in depends or
opt depends, maybe of another required package) by mplayer.

> There's an Arch script that checks repositories health. Maybe it does
> this already? It's on dbscripts.git, if you're subscribe to
> arch-dev-public you'll see the reports.

I'll check it.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 15:06:02 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:06:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Server updates + email needs attention
Message-ID: <8762ftmdr9.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

repo server update log. i ignored postfix for now though it's just a
pkgrel change.

could the email server configuration be documented on the wiki? it will
be interesting to have a working guide... the several guides on archwiki
never worked for me and they're quite unexplained.


[root at repo repo]# pacman -Su --ignore postfix
:: Starting full system upgrade...
warning: linux-libre-xen: local (3.0.4-2) is newer than kernels
(3.0.4-1)
warning: metalog: local (2.0-2) is newer than extra (1.0-2)
:: Replace module-init-tools with core/kmod? [Y/n]
warning: postfix: ignoring package upgrade (2.8.7-1 => 2.8.7-2)
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...

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db-5.3.15-1  e2fsprogs-1.42-1
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              gnutls-3.0.12-1  inetutils-1.9.1-1  iproute2-3.2.0-2
              iptraf-ng-1.1.0-1  kmod-4-1
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              libsasl-2.1.23-9  lighttpd-1.4.30-2  mdadm-3.2.3-1
              mkinitcpio-0.8.2-1  module-init-tools-3.16-3 [removal]
              murmur-1.2.3-5  mysql-5.5.20-1
              mysql-clients-5.5.20-1  openssl-1.0.0.g-1  pam-1.1.5-2
              perl-5.14.2-7  php-5.3.9-1
              php-cgi-5.3.9-1  screen-4.0.3-13  sqlite3-3.7.10-1
              tmux-1.6-1  udev-179-1  vim-7.3.401-1
              vim-runtime-7.3.401-1  xmlto-0.0.25-1
              your-freedom-20120129-1

Total Download Size:    74.61 MiB
Total Installed Size:   380.12 MiB
Net Upgrade Size:       11.60 MiB
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 16:40:24 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:40:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] package signing again
Message-ID: <87y5spkutj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i just noticed pacman-key only supports local signatures. what if it
supported signature uploading? a community of arch/parabola users
could start a wot of trusted packagers by itself, instead of relying on
5 master keys to bootstrap / monitor from above the whole thing...
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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 18:45:40 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:45:40 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Logos Parabola
Message-ID: <20120130124540.5ae9de03@gmail.com>

long ago I made some logos of parabola, I remembered a moment ago! 
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Jan 30 18:52:13 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Andrey Korobkov (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:52:13 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue374] [digikam] dependency broken: .so version mismatch
Message-ID: <1327949533.21.0.901410826665.issue374@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Andrey Korobkov:

% digikam
digikam: error while loading shared libraries: libavcodec.so.53: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

% yaourt -Qo /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52
/usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 is owned by ffmpeg-libre 20110330-1

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assignedto: fauno
messages: 1471
nosy: dev_list, fauno, korobkov
priority: bug
status: chatting
title: [digikam] dependency broken: .so version mismatch

____________________________________________________
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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue374>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Jan 30 19:46:05 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue108] [kdebase-konqueror] has to be patched to not
 recommend flash
Message-ID: <1327952765.91.0.251587277609.issue108@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

I believe this is fixed by kdelibs-libre and kdebase-konqueror-libre, available
for x86_64.

How to test:
0. see about:home, specifications link, that it doesn't link to nonfree plugins
1. visit a Flash-using site, e.g. the Adobe one linked to from the bugs.kde.org
link, see that no missing plugin window is shown (if no Flash plugin is installed)

If any of these fail on x86_64, please report it here.

Otherwise, building these packages for i686 and uncommenting kdelibs
blacklist.txt line will solve this bug.

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nosy: +mtjm
status: chatting -> testing

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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Mon Jan 30 21:57:36 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:57:36 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Logos Parabola
In-Reply-To: <20120130124540.5ae9de03@gmail.com>
References: <20120130124540.5ae9de03@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1327960656.2256.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I like the new "Parabola" imagotype, but, the font of the logotype is
too monotone! :(
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 22:49:03 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:49:03 -0300
Subject: [Dev] repo + get-repos working
Message-ID: <87pqe0lsbk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i finished the full repo server update with postfix, and i installed
haveged for criptographic enthropy :)

i also ran db-cleanup manually and it freed ~20gb in packages. i attach
the log for reference.

on the web server i enabled get-repos from dbscripts to run just an hour
after db-sync runs on the server. this script ensures all repos enabled
on dbscripts are included on parabolagnulinux.org/packages. the only
requisite is to add them through the admin interface.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Jan 30 22:52:52 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:52:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] working on parabola.nu services
In-Reply-To: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87ty43wfla.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87mx94ls57.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:57:21 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> * I requested a certificate on cacert.org.
> * XMPP is working, registration is open (mine is fauno at parabola.nu)
> * There's a web server at https://parabola.nu, cer will be working on it
> * Mail server is configured and it can serve @parabola.nu forwarding
> * Etc.

i can't find the thread encyclomundi opened for discussion on
parabola.nu services... can we follow up on this?
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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 00:12:29 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:12:29 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Stikers de Parabola y disculpas
Message-ID: <20120130181229.147161bc@gmail.com>

Tuve unos problemas al enviar unos stikers a esta lista de correo, no
sabia el limite en cuanto a peso (Message body is too big: 41840 bytes
with a limit of 40 KB), pido una disculpa al moderador de la lista si
caus? alg?n problema (soy nuevo en esto de las listas de correo). No
puedo cancelarlo (asunto de iceweasel).

Estos son unos stikers que tenia ya hace un tiempo, los cuales hice
para mi laptop con arch, no me acordaba de tenerlos, los encontr?
haciendo limpieza en mi equipo, los modifiqu?, y ahora son para
Parabola, quiero compartirlos con ustedes, que los disfruten. saludos!
http://www.mediafire.com/?u1o8r7i2oa77p72 no encontr? otra forma de
compartir, disculpen por el servidor.


From jorgean at lavabit.com  Tue Jan 31 00:57:20 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:57:20 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Stikers de Parabola y disculpas
In-Reply-To: <20120130181229.147161bc@gmail.com>
References: <20120130181229.147161bc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1327971440.2256.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

siempre podes usar ompldr.org para subir cosas :)
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 01:17:16 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:17:16 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Stikers de Parabola y disculpas
In-Reply-To: <1327971440.2256.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20120130181229.147161bc@gmail.com>
 <1327971440.2256.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20120130191716.40e262b3@gmail.com>

El Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:57:20 -0600
Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> escribi?:
> siempre podes usar ompldr.org para subir cosas :)

Ups! no me la sabia, sabia que soportaba im?genes jpg y png, tambi?n
texto, pero no sabia que soportara otras tantas cosas mas, gracias por
el dato!
Siempre hay algo nuevo por aprender
Aqu? est?n: http://ompldr.org/vY2ptYQ ;)


From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 31 11:27:08 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:27:08 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Creating a mirror
Message-ID: <4F27D00C.9000505@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I'm in the process of creating a mirror and I executed successfully the 
db-sync script, which resulted in ~27GB for 686 and x86_64 without 
sources and libre-repos.

I would like to also sync the libre-repos, but the migrate-repos-script 
which should do the job uses SSH-auth. Could somebody (fauno?) tell me 
how to get access for syncing?

Lastly more info about the future mirror:

Address: http://parabolaweb.eu
OS: Debian 6 in OpenVZ
Hosting: fanaticalvps mini, Nuremburg, Germany
Planned syncing: 4x/day

I choose this host for the disc space, price and network connection, but 
I can change any time if it does not fulfil our needs.

Cheers,

Johannes

P.S. I'll document the process in the wiki once I'm done.

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  2 20:44:06 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:44:06 -0000
Subject: [Dev] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mis_datos_personales_para_la_secci=F3n_hacke?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?rs?=
In-Reply-To: <4EFE612F.6070808@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4EFE612F.6070808@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F0216FA.9010604@adinet.com.uy>


Name: 	Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
Alias: 	Emulatorman
Email: 	andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy
Other Contact: 	IRC: cyberspeed (domain:cyberspeed.sytes.net)
PGP Key: 	Unknown
Roles: 	Parabola Hacker, Wiki editor and translator
Website: 	
Occupation: 	GNU/Linux-libre Sysadmin, Blender 3D modelator and render
YOB: 	1986
Location: 	S?o Paulo-SP Brazil
Languages: 	Portuguese, Spanish, English and Galician
Interests: 	Free software and ecology advocacy, 3D desing, free art and
computer science
Favorite Distros: 	Parabola GNU/Linux-libre

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  2 21:06:54 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:06:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] My personal information to put at hackers section
In-Reply-To: <4F0216FA.9010604@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F0216FA.9010604@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F021C68.1070009@adinet.com.uy>


Name: 	Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado
Alias: 	Emulatorman
Email: 	andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy
Other Contact: 	IRC: cyberspeed (domain:cyberspeed.sytes.net)
PGP Key: 	Unknown
Roles: 	Parabola Hacker, Wiki editor and translator
Website: 	
Occupation: 	GNU/Linux-libre Sysadmin, Blender 3D modelator and render
YOB: 	1986
Location: 	S?o Paulo-SP Brazil
Languages: 	Portuguese, Spanish, English and Galician
Interests: 	Free software and ecology advocacy, 3D desing, free art and
computer science
Favorite Distros: 	Parabola GNU/Linux-libre

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From marcio88 at adinet.com.uy  Mon Jan  9 20:25:53 2012
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From ewlabonte at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:54:04 2012
From: ewlabonte at gmail.com (Ed LaBonte)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:54:04 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Parabola wallpaper
Message-ID: <20120113105326.32682ae7.ewlabonte@gmail.com>

The attached wallpaper image was morphed from an image by Rui Damas:
http://www.gnu.org.ua/graphics/gnu-slash-linux.html
It's licensed under the GPL so my version of it has the same license.

-- 
Ed LaBonte <ewlabonte at gmail.com>
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From dora at gnu.org  Sat Jan 14 14:37:59 2012
From: dora at gnu.org (Dora Scilipoti)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:37:59 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
In-Reply-To: <4F112086.2060408@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy> <4F112086.2060408@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F1192ED.3000808@gnu.org>

Hola, lamento mucho esta situaci?n. Vamos por parte.

Wikipedia en espa?ol

Entrando en la p?gina principal, si uno busca "par?bola", aparece la
p?gina de desambiguaci?n, donde el ?ltimo ?tem es:

-Parabola GNU/Linux, una distribuci?n basada en Arch Linux, totalmente
gratuito

ah? hay que cambiar "gratuito" por "libre" (adem?s no es "gratuitO"
sino "gratuitA")

Por lo dem?s, felizmente este problema se pudo resolver, as? que ahora
lo ?nico que queda por hacer es pulir el texto que, aunque no lo he
le?do todav?a detalladamente, he visto algunas cuestiones de redacci?n
que se podr?an mejorar. Despu?s puedo hacerlo yo si est?n de acuerdo.


Wikipedia en Ingl?s

Partamos del hecho que ya sabemos que lamentablemente en la Wikipedia
en ingl?s no son amigos nuestros. FSF ya ha tenido largas discusiones
con ellos, sin resultados favorables.

Veo que la p?gina de discusi?n est? vac?a. Si hubo una discusi?n,
d?nde se encuentra? Si no la hubo, se trata de vandalismo por
parte de ellos. Tengo entendido que las reglas de Wikipedia dicen que
antes de introducir modificaciones importantes en un art?culo, hay que
por lo menos avisar en la p?gina de discusi?n. Creo por lo tanto que
abrir una discusi?n es lo mejor, al menos para terminar con la
guerra de ediciones. Y quiz?s Richard pueda encontrar gente amiga que
se una a la discusi?n.

El t?tulo "Par?bola GNU/Linux" no lo pueden cambiar porque es el
nombre oficial de la distribuci?n.

Para el problema de "distribuci?n Linux" o "GNU/Linux", eso se
podr?a solucionar evitando la palabra "distribuci?n", como se ha hecho
en castellano.

En la ficha t?cnica, bajo "Source Model", se podr?a dejar como
pusieron ellos "Free and open source software", porque esa es una
batalla que nunca podremos ganar, por la cuesti?n de la neutralidad.

Distinto es el caso de "Kernel type", donde ellos cambiaron
"Linux-libre" por "Linux". Aqu? creo que corresponde pelear porque
Linux-libre no es lo mismo que Linux sino un derivado, otro kernel
(me parece, aunque no estoy 100% segura de que se pueda poner en esos
t?rminos.)

Por lo que respecta a las Wikipedias en portugu?s y gallego, no
puedo opinar mucho porque no entiendo bien esos idiomas, pero la
sugerencia de abrir una discusi?n e involucrar a amigos vale tambi?n
en estos casos.

Esperemos otras opiniones.


-- 
Dora Scilipoti
GNU Education Team
www.gnu.org/education


From david.narvaez at computer.org  Mon Jan 16 16:43:08 2012
From: david.narvaez at computer.org (David Narvaez)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:43:08 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Usuarios open source modifican deliberadamente nuestro
 contenido Parabola GNU/Linux en Wikipedia (ACLARACION)
In-Reply-To: <2aba0d616b4cd8bcc2bc7ec613321f7d.squirrel@saslibre.info>
References: <4F10E5B3.2020408@adinet.com.uy> <4F112086.2060408@adinet.com.uy>
 <4F1192ED.3000808@gnu.org> <4F11AFE7.6010605@adinet.com.uy>
 <CACFh1D5bTz5tG-EvdboNKn5ZFtwHAizf1hyxHwQsL8tZfibvjg@mail.gmail.com>
 <2aba0d616b4cd8bcc2bc7ec613321f7d.squirrel@saslibre.info>
Message-ID: <CACFh1D4bPgT4YHY91420NfJfP3UOdLWMpXwS2qB3+6+E65Rg-A@mail.gmail.com>

2012/1/16 "Quiliro Ord??ez" <quiliro at congresolibre.org>:
> Yo no tengo problema por esa hora y asistir?. Es bueno convocar a quienes
> conozcamos localmente para que asistan. Cualquier apoyo o sugerencia
> sirve. Ser?a bueno preguntar a Richard Stallman si quiere asistir. Eso
> atraer? m?s gente a asistir a la reuni?n y a apoyar y sugerir tambi?n.

Ya no estoy tan seguro de que necesitemos una reuni?n. De lo expresado
en este hilo me queda claro que Parabola, Venenux, y en general todas
las distribuciones avaladas por la FSF est?n descontentas con
Wikipedia y no est?n dispuestos a seguir soportando la ignominiosa
humillaci?n de los oligarcas opresores.

En ese caso todo lo que hay que hacer es borrar las p?ginas de estas
distribuciones de Wikipedia, abrir una enciclopedia al gusto
(probablemente hasta usando Mediawiki) y poner all? las p?ginas
editadas bajo las reglas que ellos consideren correctas. Para esto no
se necesita reuni?n, consenso, no se necesita a RMS, no se necesita un
hilo en una lista, nada m?s se requiere un servidor y un dominio,
poner Mediawiki/MoinMoin/Twiki e invitar a todas las distros
descontentas con Wikipedia a poner su informaci?n all?.

David E. Narv?ez


From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 23:01:32 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:01:32 -0000
Subject: [Dev] stickers Parabola, laptop, desktop
Message-ID: <20120130165905.154baf4e@gmail.com>

Haciendo limpieza en el equipo me encontr? con estos stickers que hab?a
hecho para mi laptop con Archlinux, esto hace ya un tiempo, los
modifiqu? y ahora son stickers para mi desktop con Parabola :) Los
comparto con ustedes, que los disfruten muchach at s ;)

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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 23:38:04 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:38:04 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Stiker 1 laptop desktop parabola
Message-ID: <20120130173541.7d009dc8@gmail.com>

Haciendo limpieza en mi equipo, encontr? unos stickers que hice para
mi laptop con archlinux hace ya mucho tiempo, los modifique y ahora son
para Parabola ;) Los comparto con ustedes, que los disfruten. (hace
rato los envi? juntos pero parece que pesaba mucho, soy nuevo en esto
de las listas, sorry si causa problema).
Sticker uno;
 
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From ewlabonte at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 20:32:05 2012
From: ewlabonte at gmail.com (Ed LaBonte)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:32:05 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Wallpaper
Message-ID: <20120118153140.73342f1b.ewlabonte@gmail.com>

This is licensed cc-by-sa.

-- 
Ed LaBonte <ewlabonte at gmail.com>
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From jeant.bate at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 15:03:02 2012
From: jeant.bate at yahoo.com (jeant.bate at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:03:02 -0000
Subject: [Dev] hi
Message-ID: <1327244581.10813.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hello My Name is Miss Jeanet 24 years old,? 

























































Dear i will like to know you more and be your
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get back to me here at my private email i.d























































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that i will tell you all about myself and exchange pictures with you,





































and i have something to tell you about me hope to hear from you soon
your new friend Jeanet

















(jeant.bate at yahoo.com)
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