From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb  1 01:04:23 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:04:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Ionut Biru] [arch-dev-public] the big rebuild -
	libpng/libtiff in testing
Message-ID: <87ehufgy94.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

looks interesting for broken stuff we've been talking

Message-ID: <4F271A63.8050301 at archlinux.org>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:32:03 +0200
From: Ionut Biru <ibiru at archlinux.org>

Here are couples of instructions about dealing with broken packages.

As usually, fully update your system before reporting bugs and don't
forget about enabling community-testing along with multilib-testing(if
necessary)

What to do when one of your favorite application returns:

libpng14.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory=


do

$ LD_DEBUG=3Dfiles yourapp > yourapp.log 2>&1
$ grep libpng14.so.14 yourapp.log
$ pacman -Qo /path/to/soname/that/links/to/libpng14.so.14

If is not from the repo, rebuild it yourself, otherwise, report it on
our tracker.

--=20
Ionu=C8=9B


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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 03:39:22 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:39:22 -0600
Subject: [Dev] package signing again
In-Reply-To: <87y5spkutj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87y5spkutj.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <8762frusr9.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

How would we implement that.

I somehow like the idea but I'm not ilustrated in security, signing,
etc.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:40:24 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> i just noticed pacman-key only supports local signatures. what if it
> supported signature uploading? a community of arch/parabola users
> could start a wot of trusted packagers by itself, instead of relying on
> 5 master keys to bootstrap / monitor from above the whole thing...
> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb  1 14:40:40 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:40:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] parabola on librevpn
Message-ID: <87r4yefwgn.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

hey, i'm adding the repo server to librevpn, a virtual free network
using tinc :)

https://kiwwwi.com.ar/librevpn (in spanish for now)
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Feb  1 15:47:05 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:47:05 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue224] Check if a package being updated changes soname of
 an included library
In-Reply-To: <1319649337.3.0.0967187104392.issue224@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1328111225.37.0.0122997306584.issue224@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

check-package-libraries.py in dbscripts should be able to do this, if other
scripts will use it.

Usage:
check-package-libraries.py -d path-to-database.sqlite init
check-package-libraries.py -d path-to-database.sqlite add package.tar.xz ...
check-package-libraries.py -d path-to-database.sqlite remove pkgname
check-package-libraries.py -d path-to-database.sqlite check

It could use a separate database for each arch.  All scripts adding packages to
repos should use the add command of the script, all scripts removing them
(without adding other packages of the same pkgname) should use the remove
command.  check shows lines like the following one:

subversion needs libdb-5.2.so

Limitations:

The script doesn't check dependencies of a package, assumming that it's good
enough if any installable package (maybe conflicting with it) provides the library.

Paths of ELF files are ignored, this is probably not a problem for our use.

I haven't tested it with more than three packages in the database at once.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Feb  2 21:01:26 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Peter Czanik (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:01:26 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1328216486.78.0.557000605845.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Peter Czanik added the comment:

It's in git now:
http://git.balabit.hu/?p=bazsi/syslog-ng-3.3.git;a=commit;h=a299854e07b26ddf2e67eb3959b14638c7814691
so the license change is done. Even xml sources are available, which was a
request from Debian. On the other hand, doc/Makefile has now a bug, which needs
to be fixed in a next patch, hopefully in the coming days.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Feb  3 04:13:30 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:13:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] parabola on osnews
Message-ID: <87bopgv9jp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

http://www.osnews.com/story/25576/Parabola_GNU_Linux_Freedom_Packaged
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Feb  3 12:18:01 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:18:01 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1328271481.65.0.556037299812.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

cool, i'll try to create a package from git sources when the bug is solved to be
provided until the next release. we also had a problem with mips64el but we'll
make an independent bug report on that.

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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Fri Feb  3 20:31:19 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:31:19 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Creating a mirror
In-Reply-To: <4F27D00C.9000505@gmail.com>
References: <4F27D00C.9000505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C4417.60500@googlemail.com>

Re-sending with correct email address.

On 01/31/2012 12:27 PM, Johannes Krampf wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm in the process of creating a mirror and I executed successfully 
> the db-sync script, which resulted in ~27GB for 686 and x86_64 without 
> sources and libre-repos.
>
> I would like to also sync the libre-repos, but the 
> migrate-repos-script which should do the job uses SSH-auth. Could 
> somebody (fauno?) tell me how to get access for syncing?
>
> Lastly more info about the future mirror:
>
> Address: http://parabolaweb.eu
> OS: Debian 6 in OpenVZ
> Hosting: fanaticalvps mini, Nuremburg, Germany
> Planned syncing: 4x/day
>
> I choose this host for the disc space, price and network connection, 
> but I can change any time if it does not fulfil our needs.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Johannes
>
> P.S. I'll document the process in the wiki once I'm done.
>

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Feb  4 13:23:24 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:23:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ping
Message-ID: <8739aqspf7.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Feb  4 13:59:04 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:59:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] lists are back
Message-ID: <87vcnmsnrr.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

seems that the mailman daemon wasn't running so it just queued
messages. i configured monitd to monitor the process. it should restart
by itself if it goes missing.
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sat Feb  4 14:46:54 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (gnu.tek at gmx.com)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:46:54 +0100
Subject: [Dev] ping
Message-ID: <87fweqslk1.fsf@gmx.com>


ping

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Feb  4 16:52:22 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:52:22 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ping
In-Reply-To: <87fweqslk1.fsf@gmx.com>
References: <87fweqslk1.fsf@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <87ipjmsfqx.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:46:54 +0100, gnu.tek at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> ping

pong :D
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Feb  6 00:45:53 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Jristz (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:45:53 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue382] gstreamer0.10-fluengo and derivates
Message-ID: <1328489153.97.0.577933652102.issue382@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Jristz:

http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/fluendo-mp3-decoder/

if you read the licence the part 2.iv
and the part 3>

for other part the binary buildable *in AUR( exist..but those 2 paragraphs not
fill a  Full-free-open-sofware

rely my knowledge of english are not complety  for underestand this
but tath i underestand is taht tose tow paragrafs not fully complete a
gnu-free-software

and finaly this wikipedia article aclaim that is realy a propetary software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proprietary_software_for_Linux

this ...wath you thing

----------
keyword: packages, unfree
messages: 1497
nosy: Jristz, dev_list
priority: urgent
status: chatting
title: gstreamer0.10-fluengo and derivates

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb  6 01:05:59 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:05:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Cron Daemon] [Maintenance] Cron <root@repo> id=vnstat vnstat
Message-ID: <87wr80py88.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

our stats :D


From: root at parabolagnulinux.org (Cron Daemon)
To: maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org

Database updated: Sun Feb  5 23:59:19 2012

   eth0 since 11/19/11

          rx:  73.57 GiB      tx:  583.26 GiB      total:  656.83 GiB

   monthly
                     rx      |     tx      |    total    |   avg. rate
     ------------------------+-------------+-------------+---------------
       Jan '12     26.11 GiB |  218.35 GiB |  244.46 GiB |  765.63 kbit/s
       Feb '12      4.60 GiB |   40.20 GiB |   44.80 GiB |  870.10 kbit/s
     ------------------------+-------------+-------------+---------------
     estimated     26.69 GiB |  233.20 GiB |  259.89 GiB |

   daily
                     rx      |     tx      |    total    |   avg. rate
     ------------------------+-------------+-------------+---------------
      02/04/12      1.01 GiB |    6.57 GiB |    7.59 GiB |  736.54 kbit/s
      02/05/12    807.23 MiB |    9.52 GiB |   10.31 GiB |    1.00 Mbit/s
     ------------------------+-------------+-------------+---------------
     estimated       807 MiB |    9.53 GiB |   10.31 GiB |
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb  6 05:24:04 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:24:04 -0300
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Mon Feb  6 18:55:24 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:55:24 +0100
Subject: [Dev] rsync for repos
In-Reply-To: <874nwurdvk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <874nwurdvk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F30221C.7080509@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I want to have access. Last time I asked fauno he told me there was a 
port problem - are there any news on this?

- Johannes

(Resent with correct address.)

On 12/21/2011 01:02 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>
> I've just enabled rsyncd for repos, so we can have mirrors now!
>
>
> PS: greetings from emacs/notmuch o/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb  6 19:23:58 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:23:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
Message-ID: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

a few days ago i installed chili[0] for our local hacklab project
management. i was thinking it would be useful for parabola, not only as
an issue tracker[1] but also as whole project manager for the community,
if we organize "workflows" on a democratic fashion.

for instance guys at the irc channel are talking about working on a hurd
port, on chili it would be a matter of creating a new project for it.

and it has email notifications (which are really important for me), git
integration, etc.

imo it provides a level of self-organization that's missing from wikis,
were you have to take some time to use a template, etc.

this is the instance i installed: https://lab.hackcoop.com.ar


[0]: http://chiliproject.org
[1]: there're some glitches with our current bug tracker
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Feb  6 19:24:26 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:24:26 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue384] [thunderbird-libre] replace with icedove-libre
Message-ID: <1328556266.64.0.899019054864.issue384@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Thunderbird cannot be sold without rebranding [0], [1], [2].  It's also possible
that our changes to it are incompatible with this policy.

I recommend replacing thunderbird-libre with icedove-libre, Debian's IceDove [3]
with a patch to use GNUZilla's addon list.

(Any new build will solve the libpng problem, we can just solve more problems at
once.)

[0] http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-08/msg00014.html
[1] https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
[2] https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/list.html
[3] http://packages.debian.org/experimental/icedove

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keyword: +unfree
nosy: +dev_list
priority: bug -> critical
status: unread -> chatting
title: [thunderbird-libre] Missing dependency on libpng (1.4.8-1) now that libpng (1.5.8-1) has been pushed -> [thunderbird-libre] replace with icedove-libre

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Feb  6 19:44:00 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:44:00 +0100
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
In-Reply-To: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:23:58 -0300")
References: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87sjinbvcv.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> a few days ago i installed chili[0] for our local hacklab project
> management. i was thinking it would be useful for parabola, not only as
> an issue tracker[1] but also as whole project manager for the community,
> if we organize "workflows" on a democratic fashion.

Which specific problems can it solve more easily than our separate issue
tracker, lists, git repos and wiki?

> for instance guys at the irc channel are talking about working on a hurd
> port, on chili it would be a matter of creating a new project for it.

The mips64el port has a separate (unpopular) mailing list, separate git
repo (although some changes aren't done there), otherwise all resources
are shared with other ports.  I don't see how having it separated would
be easier (unless we get too many mails/bugs to read all of them).

> [1]: there're some glitches with our current bug tracker

Which ones?  Will they be fixed by replacing the tracker?

Having two separate trackers "living" at once is a bad solution, so we
would need to migrate the existing one.  Can this be done easily
(i.e. by running a single script which can be easily tested) preserving
its whole history?  (This would avoid the difficulties with wiki
migration.)

I know the following problems with our current tracker:

- I don't know how to state there that a bug is a duplicate or
  [reverse-]dependency of another bug (i.e. it's not obvious, not
  documented or too different from other trackers)

- probably easy to fix problems with mail/IRC notifications

- it uses different names for some metadata than most other trackers
  known to me (it's a problem, since tracker's use being difficult for
  users of other trackers will lead to unreported bugs)

- our bug workflow is more complex than currently stated, e.g.:

                                 /> i686 building     -> testing \
  unread -> chatting -> patching -> x86_64 building   -> testing  > resolved
                                 \> mips64el building -> testing /

  in case of KDE-related or texlive-bin-libre bugs.

  (We have different sets of builders for each arch, notifying them and
  formally marking that it's being done could make this process easier.)
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Mon Feb  6 21:24:08 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (gnu.tek at gmx.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:24:08 +0100
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
In-Reply-To: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:23:58 -0300")
References: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87liofmz9j.fsf@bob.home>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> a few days ago i installed chili[0] for our local hacklab project
> management. i was thinking it would be useful for parabola, not only as
> an issue tracker[1] but also as whole project manager for the community,
> if we organize "workflows" on a democratic fashion.
>
> for instance guys at the irc channel are talking about working on a hurd
> port, on chili it would be a matter of creating a new project for it.
>
> and it has email notifications (which are really important for me), git
> integration, etc.
>
> imo it provides a level of self-organization that's missing from wikis,
> were you have to take some time to use a template, etc.
>
> this is the instance i installed: https://lab.hackcoop.com.ar
>
>
> [0]: http://chiliproject.org
> [1]: there're some glitches with our current bug tracker
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

That seems to be nice an clean.

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  ,           , 
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((__-^^-,-^^-__)) 
 `-_---' `---_-' 
  `--|o` 'o|--' 
     \  `  / 
      ): :( 
      :o_o: 
       "-" 


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb  7 02:17:58 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:17:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
In-Reply-To: <87sjinbvcv.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87sjinbvcv.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87r4y7o089.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:44:00 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > a few days ago i installed chili[0] for our local hacklab project
> > management. i was thinking it would be useful for parabola, not only as
> > an issue tracker[1] but also as whole project manager for the community,
> > if we organize "workflows" on a democratic fashion.
> 
> Which specific problems can it solve more easily than our separate issue
> tracker, lists, git repos and wiki?

in my experience, mailing lists are good for communication and
discussion but not to keep track of this getting done, sharing workload
and etc. my idea is to automatize the organization method without having
a person greatly dedicated to it or discuss something and then loose it
on the thread history.

> > for instance guys at the irc channel are talking about working on a hurd
> > port, on chili it would be a matter of creating a new project for it.
> 
> The mips64el port has a separate (unpopular) mailing list, separate git
> repo (although some changes aren't done there), otherwise all resources
> are shared with other ports.  I don't see how having it separated would
> be easier (unless we get too many mails/bugs to read all of them).

i meant it as an easy to spot way of knowing what projects are being
carried on. issue trackers can be shared between projects also (or
projects have several issue trackers...)

> > [1]: there're some glitches with our current bug tracker
> 
> Which ones?  Will they be fixed by replacing the tracker?
> 
> Having two separate trackers "living" at once is a bad solution, so we
> would need to migrate the existing one.  Can this be done easily
> (i.e. by running a single script which can be easily tested) preserving
> its whole history?  (This would avoid the difficulties with wiki
> migration.)

both run on postgresql so a couple querys can be crafted to migrate over.

> I know the following problems with our current tracker:

this are the glitches i was refering to

> 
> - I don't know how to state there that a bug is a duplicate or
>   [reverse-]dependency of another bug (i.e. it's not obvious, not
>   documented or too different from other trackers)

this is simple, you can issue sub reports (which give you a progress bar
on the parent issue) and state relationships between reports.

> 
> - probably easy to fix problems with mail/IRC notifications

atom and email notifications :)

> 
> - it uses different names for some metadata than most other trackers
>   known to me (it's a problem, since tracker's use being difficult for
>   users of other trackers will lead to unreported bugs)

this can be setup on both projects, just that roundup requires that you
do it during setting it up and know python. chili has an administration
panel where issue statuses can be created.

> 
> - our bug workflow is more complex than currently stated, e.g.:
> 
>                                  /> i686 building     -> testing \
>   unread -> chatting -> patching -> x86_64 building   -> testing  > resolved
>                                  \> mips64el building -> testing /
> 
>   in case of KDE-related or texlive-bin-libre bugs.
>   (We have different sets of builders for each arch, notifying them and
>   formally marking that it's being done could make this process easier.)

it could be put on three different sub-issues assigned to the
architecture specific group of packagers or something like that.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb  7 04:24:38 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:24:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] rsync for repos
In-Reply-To: <4F30221C.7080509@googlemail.com>
References: <874nwurdvk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <4F30221C.7080509@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <87bopbnud5.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:55:24 +0100, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to have access. Last time I asked fauno he told me there was a 
> port problem - are there any news on this?
> 
> - Johannes
> 
> (Resent with correct address.)

the port seems to be filtered and n1md4 hasn't replied to pings... i can
change it to something else, 874 perhaps?
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Feb  7 09:01:21 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:01:21 +0100
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
In-Reply-To: <87r4y7o089.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:17:58 -0300")
References: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87sjinbvcv.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <87r4y7o089.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87r4y73tlq.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> both run on postgresql so a couple querys can be crafted to migrate over.

This is certainly possible with PostgreSQL, although it might be
complex.  We could make a non-Parabola-specific migration script and
test it before using the new tracker.

> this is simple, you can issue sub reports (which give you a progress bar
> on the parent issue) and state relationships between reports.

This feature solves most problems which I know.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Feb  7 15:44:13 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:44:13 +0100
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?=5BArch_Linux=3A_Recent_news_updates=3A_Ionu?=
 =?utf-8?q?=C8=9B_Mircea_B=C3=AEru=5D_libpng/libtiff_rebuilds_move_from_?=
 =?utf-8?b?W3Rlc3Rpbmdd?=
In-Reply-To: <87aa4wpma3.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:24:04 -0300")
References: <87aa4wpma3.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87pqdqir76.fsf@mtjm.eu>

I'll upload new libpng and libtiff for mips64el and rebuild some
packages depending on them.  Thus any upgrade done in nearby days will
probably lead to errors when starting programs using them, unless the
old libraries are installed manually.

These commands will make packages depending on old libpng or libtiff
work before they are updated:

cd /
sudo tar xf /var/cache/pacman/pkg/libtiff-3.9.5-1.1-mips64el.pkg.tar.xz \
  usr/lib/libtiff{,xx}.so.3{,.9.5}
sudo tar xf /var/cache/pacman/pkg/libpng-1.4.8-1-mips64el.pkg.tar.xz \
  usr/lib/libpng14.so.14{,.8.0}

with different versions and arch names for i686 or x86_64.

When building packages updating dependencies first will avoid at least
some link errors.

Please don't report bugs for mips64el packages failing due to missing
libraries unless these are build errors (with full logs attached) or the
packages don't have newer versions on i686 or x86_64.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb  7 20:30:49 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:30:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] iceweasel-libre ready to be packaged
Message-ID: <87sjimmlmu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i've updated the pkgbuild, it's on mozilla-testing/iceweasel-libre

need x86_64 packager! i can do mips64el during night.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Feb  7 20:37:22 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Dev] iceweasel-libre ready to be packaged
In-Reply-To: <87sjimmlmu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:30:49 -0300")
References: <87sjimmlmu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87lioeidml.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> i've updated the pkgbuild, it's on mozilla-testing/iceweasel-libre
>
> need x86_64 packager! i can do mips64el during night.

I'll build it for x86_64.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb  7 23:28:23 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:28:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Karl Goetz] [GNU-linux-libre] potential issue with packages
	embedding waf
Message-ID: <87pqdqmdew.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

FYI 


Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:26:28 +1100
From: Karl Goetz <karl at kgoetz.id.au>
To: GNU-Linux-Libre <gnu-linux-libre at nongnu.org>
Message-ID: <20120208092628.1f9e5c97 at epicfail.kgoetz.id.au>

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Hi all,
I was hoping to get some input from this list on whether we should be
dropping packages containing the 'waf' build system. Its come up for
discussion in Debian as it appears to be a DFSG violation[1] (not our
problem), but might also constitute a GPL violation [2].

Its worth noting not all packages shipping waf are automatically
problematic (its suggested samba ships the full waf source embedded [3])

I'm not sure the best way to get a current list of packages embedding
waf. An expensive way would be to extract all packages and search for
it - i can do it , but rather only if needed.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00150.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00207.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00224.html

thanks,
kk

--=20
Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS)
http://www.kgoetz.id.au
No, I won't join your social networking group

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 01:33:24 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:33:24 -0600
Subject: [Dev] a project manager for parabola?
In-Reply-To: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <8762fjpxyp.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <878vkef6sb.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>


On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:23:58 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> a few days ago i installed chili[0] for our local hacklab project
> management. i was thinking it would be useful for parabola, not only as
> an issue tracker[1] but also as whole project manager for the community,
> if we organize "workflows" on a democratic fashion.

> and it has email notifications (which are really important for me), git
> integration, etc.

I like the idea of using a project manager for workflows,  mail
notifications, and git integration. I also think it would be useful to
classify bugs where they belong.

So +1 from me.

Still, we need to make a script for migration from roundup, as mtjm
said.

When are we meeting to get this up and running?

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  8 04:55:49 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:55:49 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Question about libre packaging requirements (apache-ant
	binaries)
Message-ID: <877gzxzzxm.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

The package apache-ant is libre. However, it is *not* built by the
PKGBUILD; since all the binaries are Java, and platform-independant,
the PKGBUILD just grabs the precompiled binaries from the ant site.

From my understanding, we don't allow this. (And maybe neither does
Arch?)

So:
 1. Is this allowed in Arch, should we report it upstream?
 2. If it is allowed in Arch, is it worth us fixing it, or do we just
    let it slide?
 3. If we do let it slide, do we hold our own packages to the
    "build-from-source" requirement, in cases of platform-independant
    packages?

From a progmatic standpoint, bundling up Google's binary of
closure-compiler would make my life easier.

However, even in these cases (Java), we risk programs inadvertantly
being non-compilable with a free compiler. For example, guava, a
"statically linked" (or the Java equivalent) dependany of
closure-compiler trips the OpenJDK6 javac's bug 100167

> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/show_bug.cgi?id=100167

In this case the patch is trivial (and in Debian), but I vaguely
recall finding another case tripping the same bug sometime in the last
week, but can't recall.

~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb  8 12:32:00 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:32:00 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Question about libre packaging requirements (apache-ant
	binaries)
In-Reply-To: <877gzxzzxm.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <877gzxzzxm.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87zkctld4v.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:55:49 -0500, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The package apache-ant is libre. However, it is *not* built by the
> PKGBUILD; since all the binaries are Java, and platform-independant,
> the PKGBUILD just grabs the precompiled binaries from the ant site.
> 
> From my understanding, we don't allow this. (And maybe neither does
> Arch?)
> 
> So:
>  1. Is this allowed in Arch, should we report it upstream?
>  2. If it is allowed in Arch, is it worth us fixing it, or do we just
>     let it slide?
>  3. If we do let it slide, do we hold our own packages to the
>     "build-from-source" requirement, in cases of platform-independant
>     packages?
> 
> From a progmatic standpoint, bundling up Google's binary of
> closure-compiler would make my life easier.
> 
> However, even in these cases (Java), we risk programs inadvertantly
> being non-compilable with a free compiler. For example, guava, a
> "statically linked" (or the Java equivalent) dependany of
> closure-compiler trips the OpenJDK6 javac's bug 100167

this is important, also for hosting sources. can you come up with a
build from source PKGBUILD for it? i think we should push this upstream
soon. are there more packages built like this? D:

> 
> > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/show_bug.cgi?id=100167
> 
> In this case the patch is trivial (and in Debian), but I vaguely
> recall finding another case tripping the same bug sometime in the last
> week, but can't recall.
> 
> ~ Luke Shumaker
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Feb  8 14:27:33 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:27:33 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Question about libre packaging requirements (apache-ant
	binaries)
In-Reply-To: <877gzxzzxm.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> (Luke T. Shumaker's message
 of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:55:49 -0500")
References: <877gzxzzxm.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <874nv15rje.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> From my understanding, we don't allow this. (And maybe neither does
> Arch?)

We allow this in case of TeXLive.  I believe any useful Java package is
easier to build from source than TeXLive's arch-independent files.

> So:
>  1. Is this allowed in Arch, should we report it upstream?

It's allowed, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Java_Package_Guidelines.

>  2. If it is allowed in Arch, is it worth us fixing it, or do we just
>     let it slide?

We must provide a source.  How do we know that it's the source, unless
we build it?

(I believe this is also the reason for changing all PKGBUILDs fetching
sources in build(), e.g. from unspecified vcs commits.)
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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 16:37:54 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:37:54 -0600
Subject: [Dev] update blacklist.txt
Message-ID: <20120208103754.75d79abb@gmail.com>

Eliminando la posibilidad de instalar dropbox en el sistema raiz de
Parabola GNU/Linux-libre ;)
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Feb  8 16:58:34 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (borgo (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:58:34 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1328720314.4.0.332092550031.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


borgo added the comment:

czanik: the man pages in the syslog-ng-3.4 repo still have the old licence:
https://github.com/bazsi/syslog-ng-3.4/tree/master/doc/man

____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue292>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Feb  8 17:02:31 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Peter Czanik (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:02:31 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue292] Migrate to a free syslogd Was: [syslog-ng] man
 pages are nonfree
Message-ID: <1328720551.55.0.503202114784.issue292@parabolagnulinux.org>


Peter Czanik added the comment:

Good catch :-) Forwarded inside... BTW: 3.3 is the current stable version, 3.4
is not released yet.

____________________________________________________
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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue292>
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Fri Feb 10 21:27:39 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:27:39 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
Message-ID: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy>

Hi guys, there are a game called Xonotic that is a libre software
first-person shooter video game. It was developed as a fork of Nexuiz,
following controversy surrounding on the game's development. Currently,
the game is running on a heavily modified version of the Quake engine
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_engine> known as "DarkPlaces".
Gameplay is inspired by Unreal Tournament
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Tournament> and Quake
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_%28video_game%29>, but with various
unique elements. Xonotic's stated aim is to become the best possible
libre software FPS (first-person-shooter) of its kind. This information
is from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xonotic

King InuYasha talks about Nexuiz Controversy: "Nexuiz founder Lee
Vermuelen, along with several other core developers, have licensed the
Nexuiz name, Nexuiz.com domain, and DarkPlaces engine to Illfonic in a
deal to get Nexuiz on consoles. However, the kink is that the engine has
been licensed for non-GPL usage. That is, Illfonic has no intention of
contributing their code back to the main GPL Nexuiz project. As a
result, Nexuiz has been forked into a new project called Xonotic. While
the main Nexuiz site doesn't mention that Illfonic has no intention of
contributing back, the Xonotic project FAQ explains what's going on.
Additionally, the Xonotic project states that Illfonic 'may be in
violation of the GPL as most contributors to the Nexuiz codebase have
not relicensed their work for inclusion in a closed-source project.'"

For more information about this game, licenses, etc, see:
Xonotic FAQ http://www.xonotic.org/the-game/faq/
Comments about Xonotic (Nexuiz Founder Licences It for non-GPL use)//
<http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1859212/nexuiz-founder-licenses-it-for-non-gpl-use>:
http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1859212/Nexuiz-Founder-Licenses-It-For-Non-GPL-Use

So, I will open a votation about Xonotic to know your opinion about this
game on our distro:

Question: Do you like to have Xonotic on Parabola?


1) NO, because I found licenses, documentation issues or no-FSDG on this
game that doesn't respects my freedom and Parabola's principles (please
explain in detail your reason)

2) YES, but I would like to have it on libre repo.

3) YES, but I would like to have it on social repo.

4) YES, but I would like to have it on a custom repo or a new custom
repo e.g: games. (please, if you have a name to create a new repo for
this game, please give us a suggestion)
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Fri Feb 10 21:50:06 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:50:06 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:27:39 -0200")
References: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <871uq2fje9.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> 2) YES, but I would like to have it on libre repo.

The "libre" repo is for anything not specific to another repo or a
single user, so it probably should be there.

> 3) YES, but I would like to have it on social repo.

Is it useful on personal servers?

> 4) YES, but I would like to have it on a custom repo or a new custom
> repo e.g: games. (please, if you have a name to create a new repo for
> this game, please give us a suggestion)

It's not useful to have a repo for a single package.  Having a separate
repo for games would be confusing, since we have games in other repos
like extra or libre (and moving them would have other problem).

The typical way to separate games in other distros is to put their
binaries in /usr/games and to require the user to be in the games group
to run them.  We probably don't do this.

Thus I vote for 3, assuming that there are other users wanting to
package or play this game, and a user can choose between our Arch's old
and free Nexuiz, our Xonotic, or both at once to be installed (unless
for e.g. technical quality reasons the Nexuiz package will be removed).

Since it's based on Nexuiz, it would be very nice to have a separate
PKGBUILD for data used by the game, with different source file, so
packagers (especially ones not planning to play the game) don't have to
fetch/upload it for building the arch-specific package.

(I rarely play games and my machines don't have 3d graphics acceleration
or stable drivers for it.)
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sat Feb 11 07:14:40 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:14:40 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <871uq2fje9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy> <871uq2fje9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <1328944480.1456.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Actually, I usually play Xonotic. This game is free as in freedom and is
technically better than Nexuiz. We should have it on the repository.
For it, it's needed another PKGBUILD, not a modify version of the
Nexuiz's PKGBUILD.

Another game what should be added is Ryzom. I play it all the time!

cheers!
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 11 08:23:43 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:23:43 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F36258F.4080500@googlemail.com>

On 02/10/2012 10:27 PM, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Hi guys, there are a game called Xonotic that is a libre software 
> first-person shooter video game. It was developed as a fork of Nexuiz, 
> following controversy surrounding on the game's development. 
> Currently, the game is running on a heavily modified version of the 
> Quake engine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_engine> known as 
> "DarkPlaces". Gameplay is inspired by Unreal Tournament 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Tournament> and Quake 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_%28video_game%29>, but with 
> various unique elements. Xonotic's stated aim is to become the best 
> possible libre software FPS (first-person-shooter) of its kind. This 
> information is from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xonotic
>
> King InuYasha talks about Nexuiz Controversy: "Nexuiz founder Lee 
> Vermuelen, along with several other core developers, have licensed the 
> Nexuiz name, Nexuiz.com domain, and DarkPlaces engine to Illfonic in a 
> deal to get Nexuiz on consoles. However, the kink is that the engine 
> has been licensed for non-GPL usage. That is, Illfonic has no 
> intention of contributing their code back to the main GPL Nexuiz 
> project. As a result, Nexuiz has been forked into a new project called 
> Xonotic. While the main Nexuiz site doesn't mention that Illfonic has 
> no intention of contributing back, the Xonotic project FAQ explains 
> what's going on. Additionally, the Xonotic project states that 
> Illfonic 'may be in violation of the GPL as most contributors to the 
> Nexuiz codebase have not relicensed their work for inclusion in a 
> closed-source project.'"
>
> For more information about this game, licenses, etc, see:
> Xonotic FAQ http://www.xonotic.org/the-game/faq/
> Comments about Xonotic (Nexuiz Founder Licences It for non-GPL use)// 
> <http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1859212/nexuiz-founder-licenses-it-for-non-gpl-use>: 
> http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1859212/Nexuiz-Founder-Licenses-It-For-Non-GPL-Use
>
> So, I will open a votation about Xonotic to know your opinion about 
> this game on our distro:
>
> Question: Do you like to have Xonotic on Parabola?
>
>
> 1) NO, because I found licenses, documentation issues or no-FSDG on 
> this game that doesn't respects my freedom and Parabola's principles 
> (please explain in detail your reason)
>
> 2) YES, but I would like to have it on libre repo.
>
> 3) YES, but I would like to have it on social repo.
>
> 4) YES, but I would like to have it on a custom repo or a new custom 
> repo e.g: games. (please, if you have a name to create a new repo for 
> this game, please give us a suggestion)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
Hi,

Just FYI: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48520

I'm not as long with Parabola to know exactly how repositories are used, 
but my understanding was that ~user repositories were the replacement 
for community in Arch. Therefore I vote for 4: put it in ~Emulatorman. :-)

In this particular case I would also not be surprised if the game was 
soon to replace the Nexuiz package in the Arch repositories. Maybe we 
should raise the issue with the Arch package for Nexuiz?

- Johannes

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Feb 11 14:27:43 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:27:43 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <4F36258F.4080500@googlemail.com>
References: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy> <4F36258F.4080500@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <87ipjdh2cg.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:23:43 +0100, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> In this particular case I would also not be surprised if the game was 
> soon to replace the Nexuiz package in the Arch repositories. Maybe we 
> should raise the issue with the Arch package for Nexuiz?

probably the best option (let someone else do it!) ;)
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From jy at dervormund.info  Sat Feb 11 14:43:32 2012
From: jy at dervormund.info (Joseph Yaworski)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Votation about Xonotic game (Nexuiz fork) on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87ipjdh2cg.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <4F358BCB.4000503@adinet.com.uy> <4F36258F.4080500@googlemail.com>
 <87ipjdh2cg.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120211094332.61014ade@Dunkelheit>

Wouldn't we just be able to modify the AUR package for Xonotic and use
that? 

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:27:43 -0300
Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:23:43 +0100, Johannes Krampf
> <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > In this particular case I would also not be surprised if the game
> > was soon to replace the Nexuiz package in the Arch repositories.
> > Maybe we should raise the issue with the Arch package for Nexuiz?
> 
> probably the best option (let someone else do it!) ;)

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Feb 12 17:21:37 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Johannes Krampf (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:21:37 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue414] [cuda-toolkit] Is not free and only usable with
 proprietary driver
Message-ID: <1329067297.52.0.610028700762.issue414@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Johannes Krampf:

See the license agreement: http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/2_2/toolkit/docs/cudaprof_eula.pdf

Includes binary-only components and restricts the user's freedom. Only usable with proprietary driver.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Feb 12 18:42:36 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:42:36 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue414] [cuda-toolkit] Is not free and only usable with
 proprietary driver
In-Reply-To: <1329067297.52.0.610028700762.issue414@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1329072156.73.0.276682334192.issue414@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Blacklisted with reverse dependencies.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Feb 12 19:55:46 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:55:46 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue222] Postfix Mailman integration
Message-ID: <1329076546.85.0.392761010528.issue222@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Implemented, please report on #parabola or on the issue tracker if lists stop
working.

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status: unread -> testing

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Feb 12 20:13:48 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:13:48 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue368] Modify /etc/rc.conf default to load rsyslogd daemon
Message-ID: <1329077628.13.0.261174422067.issue368@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

We have several loggers available, maybe we should instead just have no logger
as default and document which loggers are available?  (Gentoo does this, also to
crons.)

I'm not convinced that all desktop or laptop systems need to have a system
logger installed and I think that choosing an appropriate logger (knowing what
the various ones can do) is better in situations where logs are used.

(The bug is solved, since metalog is now the default.)

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priority: bug -> feature
status: unread -> chatting

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Feb 13 14:50:10 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:50:10 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue418] [unclutter] public domain
Message-ID: <1329144610.81.0.0730304773683.issue418@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Micha? Mas?owski:

The README states:

The program is released into the public domain.  Only the considerate
will leave credit for the author.

	Mark M Martin. mmm at cetia.fr  sep 1992.


There is no explicit permission for copying or modifying it.  Is it known if the
author could release it into the public domain? 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/TeXLiveLegalAudit#Public_Domain and
the ".fr" in author's email address suggest otherwise.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Feb 13 15:17:56 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:17:56 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue420] [iceweasel-libre] change it to package [xulrunner]
Message-ID: <1329146276.82.0.846410812366.issue420@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Micha? Mas?owski:

Our xulrunner package uses firefox as source, the reasons for not including
firefox might apply to its source.

Changing our iceweasel-libre PKGBUILD to also build xulrunner (Debian does this)
will also allow easily building it on mips64el.

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status: unread
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 13 18:16:06 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:16:06 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Announcing a new mirror - testers wanted!
Message-ID: <4F395366.1060702@googlemail.com>

Hello everyone,

I created a mirror for Parabola. Add the following line to your 
/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist to enable this mirror:

     Server = http://parabolaweb.eu/$repo/os/$arch

Syncing is done by parsing the db files and downloading any new files 
from the official mirror using HTTP. (The script will be published after 
some more clean up work. It's ~150 lines of Python 2 code.)

I used the mirror successfully on my i686 laptop, my i686 Linode and my 
x86_64 workstation and found no problems. I would appreciated if someone 
with mips64el could try the mirror.

At my location in Southern Switzerland, I get faster speeds than from 
the official mirror, on my London Linode slower speeds, but still 
multiple MB/s. Any other Europeans who could give this a try?

Cheers,

Johannes

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 13 18:41:47 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:41:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Announcing a new mirror - testers wanted!
In-Reply-To: <4F395366.1060702@googlemail.com>
References: <4F395366.1060702@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <87fweeeftg.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:16:06 +0100, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,

cool! is it an actual mirror of parabola or do you add packages?

i was thinking a dynamic mirror can be done by just syncing the
databases and using nginx's proxy_store to dinamically download and
store packages :)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 13 20:04:38 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:04:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Announcing a new mirror - testers wanted!
In-Reply-To: <4F395C10.8070103@googlemail.com>
References: <4F395366.1060702@googlemail.com> <87fweeeftg.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <4F395C10.8070103@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <87d39iebzd.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:53:04 +0100, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 02/13/2012 07:41 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:16:06 +0100, Johannes Krampf<johannes.krampf at googlemail.com>  wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> > cool! is it an actual mirror of parabola or do you add packages?
> >
> > i was thinking a dynamic mirror can be done by just syncing the
> > databases and using nginx's proxy_store to dinamically download and
> > store packages :)
> It is an actual mirror. I store ~27GB of packages for the libre, 
> libre-testing, core, extra, community, testing and multilib repositories 
> for our 3 arches. I do not add packages and check the md5 when downloading.
> 
> (I downloaded most packages from an Arch mirror using RSync, I started 
> only a few days ago on the script.)

ok, we can add it to pacman-mirrorlist-libre then :D

> 
> The idea of an dynamic mirror sounds interesting, particularly if you 
> could specify multiple source servers.
> 

yes, writing from memory:

upstream repo {
         server repo.parabolagnulinux.org;
         server parabolaweb.eu;
}

server {
     server_name parabola.mirror.eu;
     root /srv/http/parabola.mirror.eu;

     location ~ *.pkg.tar.?z$ {
          proxy_store /srv/http/parabola.mirror.eu$request_uri;
          proxy_store_access user:rw group:r all:r;

          proxy_pass http://repos;
     }
}
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Mon Feb 13 20:08:47 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:08:47 -0600
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
Message-ID: <1329163727.8701.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello everyone!

I want to package the game Ryzom, it is a pain in the ass to install it
on Parabola/Arch, I even submit a bug some months ago, I think I'm the
right one for this quest, after all, I have the game running on my
Parabola :D. Anyway, I'm trying to package the kervala-* dependencies,
they are: Luabind, libwww-dev (see this note at the bug submitted
http://dev.ryzom.com/issues/1329#note-15 ), libsquish and finally
cpptest (for more information, see this
http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/ryzom/wiki/BuildForLinuxCmake ). All these
source code came from one single repository, so, if you can explain to
me that stuff of "Splitting packages" it would be helpful in order to
build every package with a single PKGBUILD.

so, here is the PKGBUILD http://ompldr.org/vY3Q0Ng I use an already
created PKGBUILD who use a mercurial repository as example. This is the
output of makepkg -s http://pastie.org/private/hlrq5nqe0kjdptmkit1q0w

any help?
cheers!
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 13 21:59:23 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:59:23 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Mirror script
Message-ID: <4F3987BB.4080203@googlemail.com>

Hi,

this is the script I use for mirroring:
https://johkra.net/gitweb/?p=mirror.git;a=summary

As mentioned earlier, it works by getting a file list from the repo 
databases and downloading packages not yet on the local computer.

It's written for Python 2, please adjust the shebang to "python2" on 
Arch based distributions. It should be possible to convert to Python 3 
using 2to3, but I have not tested it.

Since the scripts spends most of the run time with I/O and calls to 
C-libraries, threading can help speed execution up. 2 threads should be 
safe on a dual core processor if you are not disk or network 
constrained. Although I have not tested with more than 2 threads, you 
may want to raise the chunk size with more threads.

- Johannes

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Feb 14 02:29:07 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (Dario (Parabola Issue Tracker))
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:29:07 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue368] Modify /etc/rc.conf default to load rsyslogd daemon
Message-ID: <1329186547.69.0.510389976744.issue368@parabolagnulinux.org>


Dario added the comment:

You decide what to do.

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 03:10:42 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:10:42 -0600
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:08:47 -0600, Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> wrote:
> I want to package the game Ryzom, it is a pain in the ass to install it
> on Parabola/Arch, I even submit a bug some months ago, I think I'm the

Nice to have more packagers... I attach some corrections for the
PKGBUILD.

> http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/ryzom/wiki/BuildForLinuxCmake ). All these
> source code came from one single repository, so, if you can explain to
> me that stuff of "Splitting packages" it would be helpful in order to
> build every package with a single PKGBUILD.

Split packages is a way to create different packages from a single
source, for example is package A also compiles some optional plugins,
and you provide A(core) and A(plugins) in different packages.

Hope this helps

> so, here is the PKGBUILD http://ompldr.org/vY3Q0Ng I use an already
> created PKGBUILD who use a mercurial repository as example. This is the
> output of makepkg -s http://pastie.org/private/hlrq5nqe0kjdptmkit1q0w

The output says what to correct, when using [ ] for comparations you
must use them separated from it's expresion:

incorrect:   if [ -d $_hgrepo]; then
correct  :   if [ -d $_hgrepo ]; then


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb 14 13:18:53 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:18:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
In-Reply-To: <87d39ixg7h.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
References: <1329163727.8701.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <87d39ixg7h.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <87k43pd03m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:10:42 -0600, Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> # Maintainer: Jorge Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com>
> # Contributor: Joshua (xihh) <hahj87 at gmail.com>
> pkgname=kervala-luabind-hg
> pkgver=1.0
> pkgrel=1
> pkgdesc="a LUA dependencie for the game Ryzom"
> arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
> url="http://hg.kervala.net/"
> license=('custom:BSD')
> depends=('lua')
> makedepends=('mercurial' 'cmake')
> provides=('kervala-luabind')
> md5sums=() #generate with 'makepkg -g'
> 
> _hgroot="http://hg.kervala.net"
> _hgrepo="packaging"
> _hgpkg="luabind"
> 
> build() {
>   msg "Connecting to $_hgroot"
>   if [ -d $_hgrepo ]; then
>     cd $_hgrepo
>     hg pull -u || return 1
>     msg2 "Finished updating the local repository!"
>   else
>     hg clone ${_hgroot} "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}" || return 1
>     msg2 "Initiall pull complete!"
>   fi
> 
>   if [ -d "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}/${_hgpkg}/${_hgpkg}-build" ]; then
>     cd "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}/${_hgpkg}/${_hgpkg}-build"
>     make clean || return 1
>     hg pull -u "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}" || return 1
>   else
>     hg clone "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}" "${srcdir}/{_hgrepo}" || return 1
>     cd "${srcdir}/${_hgrepo}/${_hgpkg}"
>   fi
> 
>   mkdir ${_hgpkg}-build
>   cd ${_hgpkg}-build
>   cmake ..
>   make
> }

remember we have to host sources, so this would go to a "SRCBUILD". use
ghostscript-libre's as a model, we have to document this.
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Tue Feb 14 16:57:19 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:57:19 -0600
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
In-Reply-To: <87d39ixg7h.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
References: <1329163727.8701.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <87d39ixg7h.fsf@stravy.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <1329238639.1463.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

        jorge at Abril:~/Escritorio$ makepkg -s
        ==> Determinando ultima revisi?n de hg...
        pulling from http://hg.kervala.net/packaging
        searching for changes
        no changes found
        
        ==> ERROR: An unknown error has occurred. Exiting...
        

:(
Maybe I need to read more about bash...
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Tue Feb 14 17:08:51 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
In-Reply-To: <87k43pd03m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <1329163727.8701.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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 <87k43pd03m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1329239331.1463.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I found the SRCBUILD of ghostscript-libre
in /var/abs/libre/ghostscript-libre/SRCBUILD, but, I don't get it, what
does (and where) that script?
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb 14 17:57:08 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:57:08 -0300
Subject: [Dev] WAAAAA! my first PKGBUILD doesn't work :<
In-Reply-To: <1329239331.1463.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1329163727.8701.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <87aa4lcn7v.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:08:51 -0600, Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> wrote:
> I found the SRCBUILD of ghostscript-libre
> in /var/abs/libre/ghostscript-libre/SRCBUILD, but, I don't get it, what
> does (and where) that script?

if you run `makepkg -p SRCBUILD` it'll create a source tarball with the
instructions you put on build(). the idea is to apply the same workflow
to free tarball creation.

for instance gs-libre needs to be freed before distributing the sources,
otherwise you distribute unfree sources + "free" binaries ;)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 15 05:22:13 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:22:13 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
Message-ID: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i've put chili here[0], i hope the name is ok... i'll be creating some
reports about the migration itself, you're welcome to help ;)

nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with the
same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)

i've added two optional text fields to users, ssh and gpg pubkeys so you
can paste them there when you subscribe.

subscribe!

[0]: http://labs.parabola.nu/
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From cer at parlementum.net  Wed Feb 15 06:27:47 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (cer)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:47 -0800
Subject: [Dev] project manager
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:22:13 -0300
Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:

> i've put chili here[0], i hope the name is ok... i'll be creating some
> reports about the migration itself, you're welcome to help ;)
> 
> nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
> created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with
> the same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)
> 
> i've added two optional text fields to users, ssh and gpg pubkeys so
> you can paste them there when you subscribe.
> 
> subscribe!
> 
> [0]: http://labs.parabola.nu/

Looks good

2 thoughts:

should we require first/last name? I don't care personally about giving
mine, but I don't think they should be required.

for ssh key/pgp key are we supposed to enter links or fingerprints or?

-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective & Curious Antiquary
email & xmpp: cer at parlementum.net
microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Wed Feb 15 10:45:16 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:45:16 +0100
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:22:13 -0300")
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87zkckml37.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
> created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with the
> same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)

Unless I have mistyped my new random password at least twice, it
shouldn't have stated that the registration was completed.

HTTPS support is broken, it shows an unhandled exception message.  Why
don't we use a single certificate for parabolagnulinux.org, parabola.nu,
*.parabolagnulinux.org and *.parabola.nu?  It would make configuration
simpler when adding new services.

The error at http://labs.parabola.nu/projects/issue-tracker/repository
is a bug or a feature?
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 15 12:48:40 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:48:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <87zkckml37.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87zkckml37.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87zkck9s9j.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:45:16 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
> > created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with the
> > same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)
> 
> Unless I have mistyped my new random password at least twice, it
> shouldn't have stated that the registration was completed.

it should have send you an email but i'm configuring this

> 
> HTTPS support is broken, it shows an unhandled exception message.  Why
> don't we use a single certificate for parabolagnulinux.org, parabola.nu,
> *.parabolagnulinux.org and *.parabola.nu?  It would make configuration
> simpler when adding new services.

there's no https por labs yet. 

> 
> The error at http://labs.parabola.nu/projects/issue-tracker/repository
> is a bug or a feature?

bug, you can associate vcs repos to a project, i added abslibre.git to test
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 15 13:00:50 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:00:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <87zkckml37.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87zkckml37.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87sjic9rp9.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:45:16 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> HTTPS support is broken, it shows an unhandled exception message.  Why
> don't we use a single certificate for parabolagnulinux.org, parabola.nu,
> *.parabolagnulinux.org and *.parabola.nu?  It would make configuration
> simpler when adding new services.

the exception message was for parabolagnulinux.org i fixed this
(python-markdown changed to python2-markdown)

afaik cacert.org only uses the commonname field of a certificate
request...
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 15 17:05:24 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:05:24 -0300
Subject: [Dev] gitosis broken + server access + security practices
Message-ID: <878vk410yz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

So gitosis is broken, spits errors when adding new users (even from the server
itself) and I really don't know how to debug it.

We were discussing on the channel if the privilege separation gitosis
provides is useful to us, since permissions are given to everyone to
every git repo anyway.

Smv says gitosis not only does this but also *only* allows the git user
(git at parabolagnulinux.org) access to the git repos. If we
were going to manage push privileges using regular ssh
methods (ssh-copy-id, authorized_keys, etc.), people could not only push
to the repos but have shell login if available or access to the full git
user's home, included .ssh/authorized_keys.

IMO this isn't a problem since it would allow anyone to quickly
participate on git development simply by being involved and having
another hacker to allow his pubkey. Or any other policies we define
politically rather than technically.

And git, being an unprivileged user, shouldn't have access to any other
important system files. We could even chroot it for that matter. The
point is that security shouldn't hinder participation and simplicity.

What do you think?
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Wed Feb 15 18:22:06 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Dev] gitosis broken + server access + security practices
In-Reply-To: <878vk410yz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:05:24 -0300")
References: <878vk410yz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87y5s40xf5.fsf@bob.home>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> So gitosis is broken, spits errors when adding new users (even from the server
> itself) and I really don't know how to debug it.
>
> We were discussing on the channel if the privilege separation gitosis
> provides is useful to us, since permissions are given to everyone to
> every git repo anyway.
>
> Smv says gitosis not only does this but also *only* allows the git user
> (git at parabolagnulinux.org) access to the git repos. If we
> were going to manage push privileges using regular ssh
> methods (ssh-copy-id, authorized_keys, etc.), people could not only push
> to the repos but have shell login if available or access to the full git
> user's home, included .ssh/authorized_keys.

Should it be possible that the script which verify authorithy ask
another "securly closed" server rather than the normal
.ssh/authorized_keys?



> IMO this isn't a problem since it would allow anyone to quickly
> participate on git development simply by being involved and having
> another hacker to allow his pubkey. Or any other policies we define
> politically rather than technically.
>
> And git, being an unprivileged user, shouldn't have access to any other
> important system files. We could even chroot it for that matter. The
> point is that security shouldn't hinder participation and simplicity.
>
> What do you think?
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 15 18:31:05 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:31:05 -0300
Subject: [Dev] gitosis broken + server access + security practices
In-Reply-To: <87y5s40xf5.fsf@bob.home>
References: <878vk410yz.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87y5s40xf5.fsf@bob.home>
Message-ID: <874nus0x06.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:22:06 +0100, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
> > Smv says gitosis not only does this but also *only* allows the git user
> > (git at parabolagnulinux.org) access to the git repos. If we
> > were going to manage push privileges using regular ssh
> > methods (ssh-copy-id, authorized_keys, etc.), people could not only push
> > to the repos but have shell login if available or access to the full git
> > user's home, included .ssh/authorized_keys.
> 
> Should it be possible that the script which verify authorithy ask
> another "securly closed" server rather than the normal
> .ssh/authorized_keys?

If everyone had a gpg key also we could use monkeysphere for auth.
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From l1mpm4rk at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 03:39:57 2012
From: l1mpm4rk at gmail.com (Mark J. R. P.)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Dev] =?iso-8859-1?q?Su_opini=F3n_=3B=29_Themes_Slim_--=3E=3E_=22?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?libre-themes-slim=22?=
Message-ID: <20120215213957.28c03fcc@gmail.com>

http://imagebin.org/198990  <- slim-xplanet
http://imagebin.org/198986  <- ?u-slim
http://imagebin.org/198979  <- crime-slim
http://imagebin.org/198959  <- libertad-slim
http://imagebin.org/199153  <- soft-free

Aun estoy elaborando mas (en mis tiempos libres), me gustar?a leer sus
opiniones, o si quieren alg?n theme-slim con alguna imagen en especial
que tenga que ver con la "libertad, libre, cultura-libre, etc." no dude
en decirme y mandar la imagen a mi correo.

Leo propuestas, criticas y comentarios (todo es bienvenido) ;)

Saludos hermanos Paraboleros.
(por cierto no hay forma de subir a ompldr.org) :S


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Thu Feb 16 06:30:52 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:30:52 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Xonotic is now on Parabola
Message-ID: <4F3CA29C.5030906@adinet.com.uy>

Hi guys, the votation was approved and Xonotic is now on ~emulatorman repo!
If you want to have this game on Parabola, you must to add this repo on
/etc/pacman.conf

Enjoy the freedom! ;)


From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Thu Feb 16 08:05:09 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:05:09 +0100
Subject: [Dev]
 =?utf-8?b?U3Ugb3BpbmnDs24gOykgVGhlbWVzIFNsaW0gLS0+PiAibGli?=
 =?utf-8?q?re-themes-slim=22?=
In-Reply-To: <20120215213957.28c03fcc@gmail.com> (Mark J. R. P.'s message of
 "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:39:57 -0600")
References: <20120215213957.28c03fcc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877gznnqyy.fsf@bob.home>

"Mark J. R. P." <l1mpm4rk at gmail.com> writes:

> http://imagebin.org/198990  <- slim-xplanet
> http://imagebin.org/198986  <- ?u-slim
> http://imagebin.org/198979  <- crime-slim


http://imagebin.org/198959  <- libertad-slim
+1

> http://imagebin.org/199153  <- soft-free
>
> Aun estoy elaborando mas (en mis tiempos libres), me gustar?a leer sus
> opiniones, o si quieren alg?n theme-slim con alguna imagen en especial
> que tenga que ver con la "libertad, libre, cultura-libre, etc." no dude
> en decirme y mandar la imagen a mi correo.
>
> Leo propuestas, criticas y comentarios (todo es bienvenido) ;)
>
> Saludos hermanos Paraboleros.
> (por cierto no hay forma de subir a ompldr.org) :S
> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Thu Feb 16 18:51:04 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:51:04 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Xonotic is now on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <4F3CA29C.5030906@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F3CA29C.5030906@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <1329418264.1528.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

:O
Great!! :D

FRAG TIME!!!
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From cer at parlementum.net  Thu Feb 16 19:17:57 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (cer)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:17:57 -0800
Subject: [Dev] Xonotic is now on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <1329418264.1528.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4F3CA29C.5030906@adinet.com.uy>
 <1329418264.1528.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20120216111757.57971d7c.cer@parlementum.net>

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:51:04 -0600
Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> wrote:

> :O
> Great!! :D
> 
> FRAG TIME!!!

Woot Woot!

-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective & Curious Antiquary
email & xmpp: cer at parlementum.net
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Sat Feb 18 15:11:29 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:11:29 -0500
Subject: [Dev] error on maintenance
Message-ID: <4F3FBFA1.20204@congresolibre.org>


Fwd: [Maintenance] Cron <repo at repo> /srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours


-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: 	[Maintenance] Cron /srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours
Fecha: 	Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:17:01 +0000 (GMT)
De: 	repo at parabolagnulinux.org (Cron Daemon)
Responder a: 	For maintenance stuff 
<maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org>
Para: 	maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org


[...]

==>  Adding package 'python2-pyparsing-1.5.6-2-any.pkg.tar.xz'
   ->  Removing existing entry 'python2-pyparsing-1.5.6-1'...
==>  Removing license
   ->  Creating 'desc' db entry...
   ->  Computing md5 checksums...
   ->  Creating 'depends' db entry...
==>  Extracting license
==>  ERROR: File 'singularity-0.30c-3-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  ERROR: File 'speed-dreams-data-2.0.0b1-2-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  ERROR: File 'spring-1944-1.53-2-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  Adding package 'tangerine-icon-theme-0.26-6-any.pkg.tar.xz'
   ->  Removing existing entry 'tangerine-icon-theme-0.26-5'...
==>  Removing license
   ->  Creating 'desc' db entry...
   ->  Computing md5 checksums...
   ->  Creating 'depends' db entry...
==>  Extracting license
license = custom:cc-by-sa-2.5
==>  ERROR: File 'vim-minibufexpl-6.4.2-2-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  ERROR: File 'widelands-data-16-2-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  ERROR: File 'xonotic-data-0.5.0-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' not found.
==>  Creating updated database file 'community.db.tar.gz'
==> Processing multilib...
  -> No 'any' packages here
_______________________________________________
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Maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Feb 18 16:38:50 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:38:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] error on maintenance
In-Reply-To: <4F3FBFA1.20204@congresolibre.org>
References: <4F3FBFA1.20204@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <87ty2ot7tx.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:11:29 -0500, Quiliro Ord??ez <quiliro at congresolibre.org> wrote:
> 
> Fwd: [Maintenance] Cron <repo at repo> /srv/http/repo/dbscripts/any-to-ours

for some reason db-sync isn't running daily ??

i'll check cron
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 20 03:22:49 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:22:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:22:13 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> i've put chili here[0], i hope the name is ok... i'll be creating some
> reports about the migration itself, you're welcome to help ;)
> 
> nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
> created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with the
> same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)
> 
> i've added two optional text fields to users, ssh and gpg pubkeys so you
> can paste them there when you subscribe.
> 
> subscribe!
> 
> [0]: http://labs.parabola.nu/

when i said "subscribe!" i meant subscribe!
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From cer at parlementum.net  Mon Feb 20 03:46:13 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (cer)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:46:13 -0800
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
	<8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:22:49 -0300
Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:22:13 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds
> <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> > i've put chili here[0], i hope the name is ok... i'll be creating
> > some reports about the migration itself, you're welcome to help ;)
> > 
> > nothing is permanent, so feel free to make suggestions. so far i've
> > created two roles, hacker and community, along with two groups with
> > the same name. (i'm not too happy with the split...)
> > 
> > i've added two optional text fields to users, ssh and gpg pubkeys
> > so you can paste them there when you subscribe.
> > 
> > subscribe!
> > 
> > [0]: http://labs.parabola.nu/
> 
> when i said "subscribe!" i meant subscribe!

you can't subscribe! it tells you an email will be sent but no email
arrives!

-- 
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Cultural Detective & Curious Antiquary
email & xmpp: cer at parlementum.net
microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 20 03:49:09 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
Message-ID: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
:)

situation so far:

to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
required for signing them.

db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).

we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.

for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.

/ end of situation

so what do you think? :)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 20 04:05:29 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:05:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net>
Message-ID: <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:46:13 -0800, cer <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:22:49 -0300
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> > when i said "subscribe!" i meant subscribe!
> 
> you can't subscribe! it tells you an email will be sent but no email
> arrives!

that was when the mail server wasn't configured, now we have exim
relaying to our postfix thanks to mtjm :)
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 20 07:19:11 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:19:11 +0100
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net>
 <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <CAExEt2Ln5aVnT_j3zC+VXhc9=y_vPa+OowHSTXtd1Niv4zR32w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just registered. In my profile, I'm asked for a SSH pubkey and a GPG
pubkey - do you want me to post the whole key in this tiny line or do
you want me to give a link to the respective key?

- Johannes


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Feb 20 08:13:46 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:13:46 -0200
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F4200BA.5020302@adinet.com.uy>

Em 20-02-2012 01:49, Nicol?s Reynolds escreveu:
> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
> :)
>
> situation so far:
>
> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
> required for signing them.
>
> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
>
> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.
>
> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.
>
> / end of situation
>
> so what do you think? :)

It's a good idea :)


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Feb 20 14:24:21 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:24:21 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2Ln5aVnT_j3zC+VXhc9=y_vPa+OowHSTXtd1Niv4zR32w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net> <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAExEt2Ln5aVnT_j3zC+VXhc9=y_vPa+OowHSTXtd1Niv4zR32w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ipj1twfe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:19:11 +0100, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just registered. In my profile, I'm asked for a SSH pubkey and a GPG
> pubkey - do you want me to post the whole key in this tiny line or do
> you want me to give a link to the respective key?
> 
> - Johannes
> 

text is ok, it's tiny because i used a "text" field instead of a "long
text" that apparently creates <textarea>
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Feb 20 15:48:06 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:48:06 +0100
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <87ipj1twfe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:24:21 -0300")
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net>
 <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAExEt2Ln5aVnT_j3zC+VXhc9=y_vPa+OowHSTXtd1Niv4zR32w@mail.gmail.com>
 <87ipj1twfe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87hayl33rd.fsf@mtjm.eu>

>> I just registered. In my profile, I'm asked for a SSH pubkey and a GPG
>> pubkey - do you want me to post the whole key in this tiny line or do
>> you want me to give a link to the respective key?
[...]
> text is ok, it's tiny because i used a "text" field instead of a "long
> text" that apparently creates <textarea>

We ask for a single SSH key (some users, like me, have a separate one
for each machine to connect from) and a GPG key fingerprint (the long
one or the easily colliding short one) or the output of gpg --export?
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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Mon Feb 20 23:26:41 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_L=F3pez?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:26:41 +0100
Subject: [Dev] id_dsa.pub
In-Reply-To: <4F42D3B4.60607@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F42D3B4.60607@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F42D6B1.9000503@adinet.com.uy>

I sent the id_dsa.pub for participate in the package maintainer
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 21 21:13:31 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Defect files in repos?
Message-ID: <4F4408FB.2090708@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I think the following files are broken on the server. At least I get 
wrong checksums for them:

a7bf4e74245247f9a78c7ca3f273e63c 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-filesharing-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
636d44bba482b6284de897282396ab52 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-kdnssd-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
09fe7b471adce30f72b940156958a236 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-kget-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
646e880d8fecd456297462e5ee24a393 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-kppp-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
3de04cd8c9ade56765f857909a1e252d 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-krdc-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
25139721c7c7d0389659699ef9f26f09 
/srv/http/repo/public/libre/os/i686/kdenetwork-krfb-4.8.0-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz
9ba8ebdc7a6b36c19beedd0af912356b 
/srv/http/repo/public/extra/os/mips64el/kmod-4-1-mips64el.pkg.tar.xz

Expected checksums according to the databases are 
7d6a2e23c6535ac3ff7ad3a746fd2ab5, cc13336da1455b0f0ddd4617f285b5f0, 
4543aad4bdd0e5c94abd914985d63a47, cde68624d28ab8b4bc3ef00c92fc6b59, 
778e29c7b750d15a5f9bbf24cd40a2d2, 666729e10f5fcd65c4a3ba9d58941811, 
4e1f392be3bae33a8d19f1c4b62d998a in order.

Could somebody check these files and tell me if they get the same results?

Thanks!

- Johannes

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 22 15:41:04 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:41:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Henry Jensen] [GNU-linux-libre] ConnochaetOS 0.9.1 released
Message-ID: <87aa4a98q7.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


\o/

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Feb 22 19:12:33 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:12:33 -0300
Subject: [Dev] project manager
In-Reply-To: <87hayl33rd.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <8762f8bri2.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <8739a6ur1y.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <20120219194613.649285c7.cer@parlementum.net> <87r4xqtaie.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <CAExEt2Ln5aVnT_j3zC+VXhc9=y_vPa+OowHSTXtd1Niv4zR32w@mail.gmail.com>
 <87ipj1twfe.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87hayl33rd.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <878vju7kda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:48:06 +0100, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> >> I just registered. In my profile, I'm asked for a SSH pubkey and a GPG
> >> pubkey - do you want me to post the whole key in this tiny line or do
> >> you want me to give a link to the respective key?
> [...]
> > text is ok, it's tiny because i used a "text" field instead of a "long
> > text" that apparently creates <textarea>
> 
> We ask for a single SSH key (some users, like me, have a separate one
> for each machine to connect from) and a GPG key fingerprint (the long
> one or the easily colliding short one) or the output of gpg --export?

i'd expect an armored key but anything fetchable is ok (it's a free form
field so we shouldn't be surprised :P)
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Feb 22 20:27:00 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue222] Postfix Mailman integration
Message-ID: <1329942420.96.0.877074694876.issue222@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Added a list for the GNU/Hurd port, see
https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/hurd for more information. 
Since subscription via mail works there, this bug is resolved.

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status: testing -> resolved

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Feb 23 00:31:33 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:31:33 -0300
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
> :)
> 
> situation so far:
> 
> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
> required for signing them.
> 
> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
> 
> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.
> 
> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.
> 
> / end of situation
> 
> so what do you think? :)

related:

we've been discussing about how to decentralize a PUR and using git
repos (or any dvcs) for that seems to be the right way.

one of the ideas is to have a git repo for each package (xihh would like
this) and putting them as git submodules of a personal repo, in a way
that you could, for instance:

git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno

and have every package maintained by me, or from your repo:

git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno/a-package
git submodule add a-package

and import a single package to your repo. common tasks can be put on
libretools scripts. arch packages can be retrieved from their branches,
though the whole repo is heavy.

in the next days i'll be writing an article about git hosting on the
wiki for starters :D 


ps: this is just an idea, we have abslibre.git...
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Thu Feb 23 08:07:29 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:31:33 -0300")
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
>> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
>> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
>> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
>> :)
>> 
>> situation so far:
>> 
>> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
>> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
>> required for signing them.
>> 
>> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
>> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
>> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
>> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
>> 
>> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.
>> 
>> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
>> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
>> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
>> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
>> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.
>> 
>> / end of situation
>> 
>> so what do you think? :)
>
> related:
>
> we've been discussing about how to decentralize a PUR and using git
> repos (or any dvcs) for that seems to be the right way.
>
> one of the ideas is to have a git repo for each package (xihh would like
> this) and putting them as git submodules of a personal repo, in a way
> that you could, for instance:
>
> git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno
>
> and have every package maintained by me, or from your repo:
>
> git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno/a-package
> git submodule add a-package
>
> and import a single package to your repo. common tasks can be put on
> libretools scripts. arch packages can be retrieved from their branches,
> though the whole repo is heavy.
>
> in the next days i'll be writing an article about git hosting on the
> wiki for starters :D 
>
>
> ps: this is just an idea, we have abslibre.git...
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

Hi,

The idea of a full wiki help page on the subject seems nice.

for the place of the git, it can be a good experience to know 'how make
your own git' but for a 24/24 7/7 distro need ... maybe it is not the
best way to use.

Or maybe if it's possible a sort of decentralization recentralized
... each builder make it's own git as you suggest, but the server is
able to a form of rsyncing all git in one ... like that all git are
always available to all.


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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Thu Feb 23 08:20:30 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:30 +0100
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien=22's?=
 message of "Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:07:29 +0100")
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home>
Message-ID: <877gze6jw1.fsf@bob.home>

gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:

> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
>>> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
>>> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
>>> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> situation so far:
>>> 
>>> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
>>> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
>>> required for signing them.
>>> 
>>> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
>>> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
>>> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
>>> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
>>> 
>>> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.
>>> 
>>> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
>>> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
>>> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
>>> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
>>> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.
>>> 
>>> / end of situation
>>> 
>>> so what do you think? :)
>>
>> related:
>>
>> we've been discussing about how to decentralize a PUR and using git
>> repos (or any dvcs) for that seems to be the right way.
>>
>> one of the ideas is to have a git repo for each package (xihh would like
>> this) and putting them as git submodules of a personal repo, in a way
>> that you could, for instance:
>>
>> git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno
>>
>> and have every package maintained by me, or from your repo:
>>
>> git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno/a-package
>> git submodule add a-package
>>
>> and import a single package to your repo. common tasks can be put on
>> libretools scripts. arch packages can be retrieved from their branches,
>> though the whole repo is heavy.
>>
>> in the next days i'll be writing an article about git hosting on the
>> wiki for starters :D 
>>
>>
>> ps: this is just an idea, we have abslibre.git...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>
> Hi,
>
> The idea of a full wiki help page on the subject seems nice.
>
> for the place of the git, it can be a good experience to know 'how make
> your own git' but for a 24/24 7/7 distro need ... maybe it is not the
> best way to use.
>
> Or maybe if it's possible a sort of decentralization recentralized
> ... each builder make it's own git as you suggest, but the server is
> able to a form of rsyncing all git in one ... like that all git are
> always available to all.
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

s/rsyncing/mirroring

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 15:57:15 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:57:15 -0600
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home>
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home>
Message-ID: <87ty2hv8ys.fsf@parabola.nu>

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:07:29 +0100, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> >> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
> >> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind of
> >> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is clear
> >> :)
> >> 
> >> situation so far:
> >> 
> >> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is needed to
> >> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
> >> required for signing them.
> >> 
> >> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
> >> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to implement so
> >> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure to post
> >> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
> >> 
> >> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc channel.
> >> 
> >> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently encyclomundi and
> >> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it also has
> >> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including it on
> >> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then on, a
> >> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb database.
> >> 
> >> / end of situation
> >> 
> >> so what do you think? :)

I think we need a document describing package flow, so It does not work
as a blackbox. Also, writing guidelines seems right.

> > related:
> >
> > we've been discussing about how to decentralize a PUR and using git
> > repos (or any dvcs) for that seems to be the right way.
> >
> > one of the ideas is to have a git repo for each package (xihh would like
> > this) and putting them as git submodules of a personal repo, in a way
> > that you could, for instance:

+1

> > git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno
> >
> > and have every package maintained by me, or from your repo:
> >
> > git clone git://fauno-machine/fauno/a-package
> > git submodule add a-package
> >
> > and import a single package to your repo. common tasks can be put on
> > libretools scripts. arch packages can be retrieved from their branches,
> > though the whole repo is heavy.
> >
> > in the next days i'll be writing an article about git hosting on the
> > wiki for starters :D 
> >
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The idea of a full wiki help page on the subject seems nice.
> 
> for the place of the git, it can be a good experience to know 'how make
> your own git' but for a 24/24 7/7 distro need ... maybe it is not the
> best way to use.

I think there should be a superrepo on the server containing all
packages in a submodule and each dev can have it's maintained packages
on his/her machine as a personal repo.

> Or maybe if it's possible a sort of decentralization recentralized
> ... each builder make it's own git as you suggest, but the server is
> able to a form of rsyncing all git in one ... like that all git are
> always available to all.
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Thu Feb 23 17:18:16 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:18:16 -0600
Subject: [Dev] about new packagers and personal repos
In-Reply-To: <87ty2hv8ys.fsf@parabola.nu>
References: <87ty2mtb9m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <877gzepeze.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87linunfb2.fsf@bob.home> <87ty2hv8ys.fsf@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <1330017496.1961.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>



> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:07:29 +0100,
> gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
> > Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:49:09 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds
> <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> > >> since i've been receiving a few queries about becoming a parabola
> > >> packager and having access to a personal repo (the [~people] kind
> of
> > >> repos), i'd like us to discuss a few guidelines so everything is
> clear
> > >> :)
> > >> 
> > >> situation so far:
> > >> 
> > >> to be a packager you need a pair of ssh and gpg keys. ssh is
> needed to
> > >> access the repo server and to upload packages, and the gpg key is
> > >> required for signing them.
> > >> 
> > >> db-update refuses to release packages if they're unsigned, but it
> > >> doesn't perform validity checks. this is pretty simple to
> implement so
> > >> it may be done in a few days if no one beats me to it. make sure
> to post
> > >> your gpg key to a keyserver (any but pgp.mit.edu).
> > >> 
> > >> we have been giving repo access to people we know from the irc
> channel.
> > >> 
> > >> for a [repo] to show on parabolaweb an admin (currently
> encyclomundi and
> > >> i, iirc) has to create a new repo on the django admin page. it
> also has
> > >> to be *commited* to the main dbscripts.git repo after including
> it on
> > >> the config file, so it can be pulled on the web server. from then
> on, a
> > >> cronjob takes care of including new packages to parabolaweb
> database.
> > >> 
> > >> / end of situation
> > >> 
> > >> so what do you think? :)
> 
> I think we need a document describing package flow, so It does not
> work
> as a blackbox. Also, writing guidelines seems right.

Indeed!! :O
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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Thu Feb 23 22:49:23 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_L=F3pez?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Package Maintainer
Message-ID: <4F46C273.2000506@adinet.com.uy>

Hi!
I sent my id_sda.pub for the server parabola for contribute with package 
maintainer.
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Fri Feb 24 22:19:54 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:19:54 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Package Maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4F46C273.2000506@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F46C273.2000506@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F480D0A.3000706@adinet.com.uy>

Em 23-02-2012 20:49, Jorge L?pez escreveu:
> Hi!
> I sent my id_sda.pub for the server parabola for contribute with
> package maintainer.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

Guys, i will to put Jorginho's ssh key to contribute with us! :)
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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Sun Feb 26 21:34:00 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_L=F3pez?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:34:00 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Package Maintainer in computer 32 bits
In-Reply-To: <4F480CB8.6050005@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F480CB8.6050005@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F4AA548.1090105@adinet.com.uy>

I sent this id_dsa.pub for I can compile the 32 bits packages.
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sun Feb 26 21:37:21 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:37:21 -0200
Subject: [Dev] Package Maintainer in computer 32 bits
In-Reply-To: <4F4AA548.1090105@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F480CB8.6050005@adinet.com.uy> <4F4AA548.1090105@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F4AA611.5050509@adinet.com.uy>

Em 26-02-2012 19:34, Jorge L?pez escreveu:
> I sent this id_dsa.pub for I can compile the 32 bits packages.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
 ok, i will to put it on authorized_keys to you have access to upload
packages in 32 bits ;)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb 28 01:54:56 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:54:56 -0300
Subject: [Dev] new certs for parabolaweb
Message-ID: <87zkc3iuxb.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i've renewed the parabolagnulinux.org cert and created a
*.parabolagnulinux.org that's already applied to bugs and projects.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb 28 02:20:28 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:20:28 -0300
Subject: [Dev] updates on webserver
Message-ID: <87wr77itqr.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i've changed the crond from dcron to cronie, maintenance should receive
cron logs now.

(the existing crontabs were removed...)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Feb 28 14:30:32 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:30:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] bug tracker migration
Message-ID: <8762erc9o7.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

 http://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1 :)
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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Wed Feb 29 16:22:41 2012
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:22:41 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [Maintenance] Cron <root@rshg054> ID=sys-hourly
 /usr/sbin/run-cron /etc/cron.hourly
Message-ID: <4F4E50D1.9090902@congresolibre.org>



-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: 	[Maintenance] Cron ID=sys-hourly /usr/sbin/run-cron 
/etc/cron.hourly
Fecha: 	Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:00:01 +0000
De: 	root at rshg054.dnsready.net (Cron Daemon)
Responder a: 	For maintenance stuff 
<maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org>
Para: 	maintenance at lists.parabolagnulinux.org



/bin/sh: /usr/sbin/run-cron: No such file or directory
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From johkra at googlemail.com  Mon Feb  6 18:42:28 2012
From: johkra at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:42:28 -0000
Subject: [Dev] rsync for repos
In-Reply-To: <874nwurdvk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <874nwurdvk.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F301F10.50301@googlemail.com>

Hi,

I want to have access. :-) Last time I asked fauno he told me there was 
a port problem - are there any news on this?

- Johannes

On 12/21/2011 01:02 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>
> I've just enabled rsyncd for repos, so we can have mirrors now!
>
>
> PS: greetings from emacs/notmuch o/
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From bazza at riseup.net  Wed Feb 22 15:56:45 2012
From: bazza at riseup.net (bazza)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:56:45 -0000
Subject: [Dev] [Lab] [Henry Jensen] [GNU-linux-libre] ConnochaetOS 0.9.1
 released
In-Reply-To: <87aa4a98q7.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87aa4a98q7.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <20120222155635.GA10539@anastasia>

con esto si vale la pena cornochateos

> - Kernel Linux-Libre 3.2.7
> - Iceweasel-Libre in the versions 3.5.16.12 (LTS) and 10.0.2 (Current)
> - LXDE 0.5.x


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