From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr  1 09:42:35 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:42:35 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [mips64el] Xorg stop working
In-Reply-To: <87y5qg1q6w.fsf@mtjm.eu> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82o?=
 =?utf-8?Q?wski=22's?= message of "Sat,
 31 Mar 2012 22:16:39 +0200")
References: <87aa2wh70p.fsf@parabola.nu> <87y5qg1q6w.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <871uo77ppw.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Update all packages again and if it still doesn't work send your
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log and (if modified) /etc/X11/xorg.conf and
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.

Unless db-remove is broken, "pacman -Qm" should list drivers which
aren't useful on this hardware, they certainly aren't compatible with
xorg-server 1.12 (xf86-video-fbdev and xf86-video-siliconmotion are the
only useful video drivers for typical purposes, xf86-video-siliconmotion
needs special configuration as described on the wiki; xf86-input-evdev
is the only working and useful input driver unless having rare hardware
like Wacom USB tablets).

All other drivers are updated (xf86-video-siliconmotion has newer
version in abslibre-mips64el, there is no need to update it now), the
error doesn't occur with correctly configured newest versions of the
packages.
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 15:59:45 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:59:45 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [mips64el] Xorg stop working
In-Reply-To: <87y5qg1q6w.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87aa2wh70p.fsf@parabola.nu> <87y5qg1q6w.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <874nt330jy.fsf@parabola.nu>

Works just fine now.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:16:39 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > Last week I updated my parabola on mips and xorg stoped
> > working. I corrected the error by downgrading all packages.
> 
> Update all packages again and if it still doesn't work send your
> /var/log/Xorg.0.log and (if modified) /etc/X11/xorg.conf and
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
From: Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Dev] [mips64el] Xorg stop working
To: Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net>
Cc: Parabola's main discussion list <dev at list.parabolagnulinux.org>
In-Reply-To: <20120331201534.GD17633 at gramarye>
References: <87aa2wh70p.fsf at parabola.nu> <20120331201534.GD17633 at gramarye>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:15:34 -0700, Charles Roth <cer at parlementum.net> wrote:
> 
> I had this error too, hoping to fix/analyze it tomorrow (Sunday) America/Los Angeles TZ
> 
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 02:04:06PM -0600, Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez wrote:
> > Hi there.
> > 
> > Last week I updated my parabola on mips and xorg stoped
> > working. I corrected the error by downgrading all packages.
> > 
> > Are you having the same issue?
> 
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dev mailing list
> > Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> > https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> 
> 
> -- 
> Charles Roth
> Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
> General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
> Email: cer at parlementum.net
> Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
> About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
> "Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"
> 
From: Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mips64el] Xorg stop working
To: Parabola's main discussion list <dev at list.parabolagnulinux.org>
In-Reply-To: <87aa2wh70p.fsf at parabola.nu>
References: <87aa2wh70p.fsf at parabola.nu>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:04:06 -0600, Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there.
> 
> Last week I updated my parabola on mips and xorg stoped
> working. I corrected the error by downgrading all packages.
> 
> Are you having the same issue?

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Apr  1 18:22:59 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:22:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] iceweasel 9 on mips64el
Message-ID: <87k41zcnwc.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

i've released iceweasel-libre 9 for mips64el. if you installed or
upgraded to 10, please downgrade. this version doesn't freeze :)

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Apr  2 06:34:10 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:34:10 -0300
Subject: [Dev] my brother's ssh key
Message-ID: <4F794862.8020108@adinet.com.uy>

guys, i will add my brother's (M?rcio) ssh key on the parabola server,
because he is developing icedove-libre pkgbuild and he help me with the
packages

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Apr  2 13:43:38 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:43:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] my brother's ssh key
In-Reply-To: <4F794862.8020108@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F794862.8020108@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <87y5qeb65x.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:34:10 -0300, Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> wrote:
> guys, i will add my brother's (M?rcio) ssh key on the parabola server,
> because he is developing icedove-libre pkgbuild and he help me with the
> packages

sign your gpg keys!

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Apr  4 00:32:53 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Andr=C3=A9_Silva_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:32:53 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue384] [thunderbird-libre] replace with icedove-libre
Message-ID: <1333499573.74.0.897658813478.issue384@parabolagnulinux.org>


Andr? Silva added the comment:

Yesterday and today, my brother and me created icedove-libre pkgbuild and
patches. It is now on libre-testing to build, but when compile, it generate a bug. 
Is necessary to find the bug solution to resolve this problem. with a patch or
other solution. please see our bug report:
https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue458

____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue384>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Apr  4 15:28:23 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:28:23 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue102] [issue tracker] set up the mail gateway
In-Reply-To: <1302706913.93.0.593903776951.issue102@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1333553303.03.0.0258589483455.issue102@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

The bug tracker is replaced (i.e. used only for already reported issues), so
this won't be needed for new mails.

I believe it would be useful to enable the gateway again, so the "new" mails to
bugs will be archived and the script migrating issues to the new tracker will be
able to include them.

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status: testing -> chatting

____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue102>
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Apr  4 15:29:26 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:29:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] surprise bug squashing day!
Message-ID: <87hawz8qi1.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


pick one and fix it!

https://labs.parabola.nu
https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Apr  4 15:53:11 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:53:11 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue356] Cabextract only useful for non-free extracting
Message-ID: <1333554791.01.0.428726968574.issue356@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Closing due to lack of comments on list or here for several months.  Reopen the
bug or ask on #parabola if you consider removing this package needed.

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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue356>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Apr  4 15:56:31 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:56:31 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue382] gstreamer0.10-fluengo and derivates
In-Reply-To: <1328489153.97.0.577933652102.issue382@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1333554991.97.0.00436703745951.issue382@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

There is nonfree software not included in Parabola, we won't change this.  I
don't see how this issue affects what is shared or recommended by us.

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____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue382>
____________________________________________________

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Apr  7 02:14:23 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:14:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Andreas Radke] [arch-dev-public] move sqlite3 from core to
	extra
Message-ID: <87y5q8jnk0.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

FYI
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:19:09 +0200
From: Andreas Radke <andyrtr at archlinux.org>
To: arch-dev-public at archlinux.org
Message-ID: <20120406091909.32c94e46 at workstation64.home>
Organization: ArchLinux

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/29296

Nothing in core is depending on sqlite anymore in core. So it should be
fine to move it to the extra repo. I'm also going to rename it back to
sqlite providing sqlite3 when doing this.

Any objections?

-Andy
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Apr  7 14:04:50 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:04:50 -0300
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?=5BAndr=C3=A9_Silva=5D_=5BMaintenance=5D_about_gr?=
 =?utf-8?q?ub2_new_revision_=28Please_read_note=29?=
Message-ID: <87mx6nk58d.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


there're more readers here ;)

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Apr  7 15:41:00 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:41:00 -0300
Subject: [Dev] about grub2 new revision (Please read note)
In-Reply-To: <4F7FAFC4.6010602@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F7FAFC4.6010602@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F80600C.2050502@adinet.com.uy>

grub2-bios-1:2.00beta3-1.1, grub2-common-1:2.00beta3-1.1 and
grub2-efi-i386-1:2.00beta3-1.1 is now available for Parabola. This new
revision fixed ambiguity: is now "Parabola GNU/Linux-libre" instead
"Parabola GNU/Linux-libre GNU/Linux"<http://identi.ca/group/5856/id>in
the name entry on GRUB Menu.
So, after update, please execute: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
to resolve this issue, sorry for the inconvenience!
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Apr  8 01:52:01 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:52:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Pierre Schmitz] [arch-dev-public] Keyring package for real
Message-ID: <87ty0vhtxa.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

this is important guys
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From lluvia_lists at lavabit.com  Sun Apr  8 14:14:34 2012
From: lluvia_lists at lavabit.com (lluvia)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:14:34 +0200
Subject: [Dev] lluvia ssh key
Message-ID: <20120408161434.5bafd46e@myhost>

It is my SSH key. It was signed with the key associated to the public
key I sent previously to the mailing list.
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From lluvia_lists at lavabit.com  Sun Apr  8 19:06:42 2012
From: lluvia_lists at lavabit.com (lluvia_lists at lavabit.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Dev] lluvia ssh key
Message-ID: <26125.151.49.163.166.1333912002.squirrel@lavabit.com>

I attach now the original key also.

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Apr  9 21:24:06 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:24:06 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement librerelease and db-update
Message-ID: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu>

fauno and I discussed on #parabola changing how db-update works to
improve its reliability and usability.

My proposal is to make librerelease run a script on repo and pipe to
it the files to upload.

The script verifies them and fails if one is incorrectly signed.

Then, when all files are ready, it locks all databases used by them,
checks if the same version is available for any of them, fails if yes
(explicitly recommending adding .1 to pkgrel if the new version is
needed), then updates the packages and unlocks the databases.

librerelease outputs errors from the repo-side script.

If multiple uploads including the same package are done at once, only
at most one succeeds, others fail, the library uploaded must be the one
From the successful run.

The server-side script might log its output to the maintenance list.

Locks:

- one for all repos, or

- one per repo and arch, needs correct ordering of their acquisition

Benefits:

- no duplicated uploads of a package (these contributed to the great
  pcre breakage affecting glib and grep on mips64el and made many
  corrupted package errors)

- immediate error messages on failed upload, for the user who did the
  upload

- no (theoretical yet, although possible) problems like updating
  xorg-server and drivers, while having only drivers updated due to
  missing xorg-server signature or (not sure if rsync prevents this)
  if the connection is interrupted while uploading xorg-server after
  drivers

Some requirements:

- a single (repo, arch, pkgname, epoch, pkgver, pkgrel) tuple refers to
  exactly zero or one released package

- multiple uploads at once work, usually at least one succeeds

- all errors make just the affected upload do nothing (and notify
  appropriate users), they don't affect other, correct, uploads

- no deadlocks; interrupted uploads don't cause other problems

- runs are quick, except for waiting for the files to be uploaded (no
  waiting for files of other users)

Possible issues:

- continuing interrupted uploads

fauno recommended checking lockfile-utils for locking support (writing
our would make more opportunities for bugs).  We need lock-or-fail and
unlock operations for a single lock or a set of locks.

Any comments?  Is it too complex, or too unreliable, are the
requirements unsatisfiable, or ...?
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 10 03:58:33 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
Message-ID: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
approach, but it still had some degree of security...

For this I found git-shell, a tool that comes with the git package and
works as a user shell that only allows the git commands needed to push
into repos.

If you don't want to bother with the technical details skip to the all
caps section of this email.

I created a test user called "git2", with home /srv/git2 and shell
/usr/bin/git-shell. Inside this home I mirrored abslibre.git to work on,
and copied the .ssh from /srv/git (and cleaned up the stuff gitosis uses
to work).

This worked OK, except that you have to pass the full path of the repo to
push, so if you cloned git://gparabola/abslibre.git you'll have to
push into ssh://gparabola/srv/git2/abslibre.git

Now, we needed a method to add new SSH pubkeys in an easy way. Since
git2 uses git-shell I couldn't run `ssh-copy-id` unless I specifically
enabled it, but it still lacked the accountability I was looking for,
that is "X added the new hacker Y", instead of randomly saying on
#parabola "Hey I added Y to the repos" or "fauno, when will you add Y?".

I came up with this:

Manage the SSH pubkeys with another git repo in a way that pushing into
it gives immediate access to those keys to the git server. The history
management would also allow the kind of accountability I already
mentioned by using technical methods embedded on git itself ;)

So I did this:

I created a "hackers" git repo locally and added the authorized_keys
file and a README explaining how to work with the repo.

Under git2, I created "hackers.git" as a bare repo.

Then I cloned hackers.git into .ssh and gave it the permissions ssh
needs.

On hackers.git I added a post-update hook that forces a checkout on
.ssh, so anytime someone pushes a key to the server it gets immediately
approved by sshd.


WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

* Simple and secure (!) way to add new hackers.

* Any hacker can give access to new hackers, no need to depend on lazy admins.

* Major implications for technocracy in general, so many I won't mention.


ZOMG YOU BROKE X

This isn't implemented yet, I'll do this during the week. Feedback is welcome.


[0]: https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 10 08:57:59 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:57:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: gnu-ghostscript replaces ghostscript-libre
Message-ID: <4F83F617.9010208@adinet.com.uy>

Hi Parabolers, I created gnu-ghostscript package to replace
ghostscript-libre, because It is the recommended fix by FSF
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#GPL_Ghostscript_CMap_data_files

So, i think that is not necessary to have a libre version of ghostscript
in our repo if we have the libre alternative.

Please, if your want to have more information, see:
https://www.gnu.org/software/ghostscript/

https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/gnu-ghostscript

Regards,
Andr? Fabian Silva Delgado

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 10 13:14:49 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:14:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: gnu-ghostscript replaces ghostscript-libre
In-Reply-To: <4F83F617.9010208@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F83F617.9010208@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <87r4vvg246.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:57:59 -0300, Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> wrote:
> Hi Parabolers, I created gnu-ghostscript package to replace
> ghostscript-libre, because It is the recommended fix by FSF
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#GPL_Ghostscript_CMap_data_files
> 
> So, i think that is not necessary to have a libre version of ghostscript
> in our repo if we have the libre alternative.
> 
> Please, if your want to have more information, see:
> https://www.gnu.org/software/ghostscript/
> 
> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/gnu-ghostscript

does this version match our ghostscript-libre? we had gnu-gs version 8
but with the change on arch to gs 9 (or a version change that changed
apis) many packages broke. when i asked the gnu-gs developers for an
update they answered "any time during the year". it took more than that
i think...

i mean they need help. if someone could commit to follow gs updates on
gnu-gs properly we could keep gnu-gs instead.

take in mind many recommendations from the libreplanet list are meant
for the debian pace and we're going much faster :P

(for instance some unfree versions of packages were upgraded long time
ago by arch devs themselves)

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 10 17:37:57 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:37:57 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: gnu-ghostscript replaces ghostscript-libre
In-Reply-To: <87r4vvg246.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <4F83F617.9010208@adinet.com.uy> <87r4vvg246.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F846FF5.3030804@adinet.com.uy>

Em 10-04-2012 10:14, Nicol?s Reynolds escreveu:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:57:59 -0300, Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> wrote:
>> Hi Parabolers, I created gnu-ghostscript package to replace
>> ghostscript-libre, because It is the recommended fix by FSF
>> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#GPL_Ghostscript_CMap_data_files
>>
>> So, i think that is not necessary to have a libre version of ghostscript
>> in our repo if we have the libre alternative.
>>
>> Please, if your want to have more information, see:
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/ghostscript/
>>
>> https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/abslibre.git/tree/libre/gnu-ghostscript
> does this version match our ghostscript-libre? we had gnu-gs version 8
> but with the change on arch to gs 9 (or a version change that changed
> apis) many packages broke. when i asked the gnu-gs developers for an
> update they answered "any time during the year". it took more than that
> i think...
>
> i mean they need help. if someone could commit to follow gs updates on
> gnu-gs properly we could keep gnu-gs instead.
>
> take in mind many recommendations from the libreplanet list are meant
> for the debian pace and we're going much faster :P
>
> (for instance some unfree versions of packages were upgraded long time
> ago by arch devs themselves)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
So, in this case, I think that a good idea is to maintain the two
packages (gnu-ghoscript and ghostscript-libre) to avoid the broken
dependencies. Then, someone wants the alternative version, can to use
gnu-ghostscript, ou the last alternative, the libre version of
ghostscript. :)
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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 10 18:53:14 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement librerelease and db-update
In-Reply-To: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87obqzv2p1.fsf@parabola.nu>


On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:24:06 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> fauno and I discussed on #parabola changing how db-update works to
> improve its reliability and usability.

I like the idea, it seems feasible and easy to implement, however I
think we should document the whole process of repo maintaining, because
most people (me included) don't know exactly how it works.

> My proposal is to make librerelease run a script on repo and pipe to
> it the files to upload.

+1 server site script. Just some questions, Can multiple packagers upload
their packages at the same time? How will this be addresed?

This is now addresed by uploading the packages to a ?staging? area, but
I do think we do need a way to stop outdated or same package version to
be uploaded.

> The script verifies them and fails if one is incorrectly signed.
>
> Then, when all files are ready, it locks all databases used by them,
> checks if the same version is available for any of them, fails if yes
> (explicitly recommending adding .1 to pkgrel if the new version is
> needed), then updates the packages and unlocks the databases.
>
> librerelease outputs errors from the repo-side script.
>
> If multiple uploads including the same package are done at once, only
> at most one succeeds, others fail, the library uploaded must be the one
> From the successful run.
>
> The server-side script might log its output to the maintenance list.
>
> Locks:
>
> - one for all repos, or
>
> - one per repo and arch, needs correct ordering of their acquisitionn
>
> Benefits:
>
> - no duplicated uploads of a package (these contributed to the great
>   pcre breakage affecting glib and grep on mips64el and made many
>   corrupted package errors)
>
> - immediate error messages on failed upload, for the user who did the
>   upload
>
> - no (theoretical yet, although possible) problems like updating
>   xorg-server and drivers, while having only drivers updated due to
>   missing xorg-server signature or (not sure if rsync prevents this)
>   if the connection is interrupted while uploading xorg-server after
>   drivers

I think this require use ABS or another thing as control for deps.

> Some requirements:
>
> - a single (repo, arch, pkgname, epoch, pkgver, pkgrel) tuple refers to
>   exactly zero or one released package
>
> - multiple uploads at once work, usually at least one succeeds
>
> - all errors make just the affected upload do nothing (and notify
>   appropriate users), they don't affect other, correct, uploads
>
> - no deadlocks; interrupted uploads don't cause other problems
>
> - runs are quick, except for waiting for the files to be uploaded (no
>   waiting for files of other users)
>
> Possible issues:
>
> - continuing interrupted uploads
>
> fauno recommended checking lockfile-utils for locking support (writing
> our would make more opportunities for bugs).  We need lock-or-fail and
> unlock operations for a single lock or a set of locks.
>
> Any comments?  Is it too complex, or too unreliable, are the
> requirements unsatisfiable, or ...?

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 10 22:14:02 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:14:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement librerelease and db-update
In-Reply-To: <87obqzv2p1.fsf@parabola.nu>
References: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87obqzv2p1.fsf@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <87ehrvfd5h.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:53:14 -0500, Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez <hahj87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:24:06 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> > fauno and I discussed on #parabola changing how db-update works to
> > improve its reliability and usability.
> 
> I like the idea, it seems feasible and easy to implement, however I
> think we should document the whole process of repo maintaining, because
> most people (me included) don't know exactly how it works.
> 
> > My proposal is to make librerelease run a script on repo and pipe to
> > it the files to upload.
> 
> +1 server site script. Just some questions, Can multiple packagers upload
> their packages at the same time? How will this be addresed?

I just commited a librerelease change that immediately runs db-update on the
server. it's `ssh parabola dbscripts/db-update`.

> 
> This is now addresed by uploading the packages to a ?staging? area, but
> I do think we do need a way to stop outdated or same package version to
> be uploaded.
> 

I think the idea is not to change this but to make it more reliable

> > The script verifies them and fails if one is incorrectly signed.
> >
> > Then, when all files are ready, it locks all databases used by them,
> > checks if the same version is available for any of them, fails if yes
> > (explicitly recommending adding .1 to pkgrel if the new version is
> > needed), then updates the packages and unlocks the databases.
> >
> > librerelease outputs errors from the repo-side script.
> >
> > If multiple uploads including the same package are done at once, only
> > at most one succeeds, others fail, the library uploaded must be the one
> > From the successful run.
> >
> > The server-side script might log its output to the maintenance list.
> >
> > Locks:
> >
> > - one for all repos, or
> >
> > - one per repo and arch, needs correct ordering of their acquisitionn
> >
> > Benefits:
> >
> > - no duplicated uploads of a package (these contributed to the great
> >   pcre breakage affecting glib and grep on mips64el and made many
> >   corrupted package errors)
> >
> > - immediate error messages on failed upload, for the user who did the
> >   upload
> >
> > - no (theoretical yet, although possible) problems like updating
> >   xorg-server and drivers, while having only drivers updated due to
> >   missing xorg-server signature or (not sure if rsync prevents this)
> >   if the connection is interrupted while uploading xorg-server after
> >   drivers
> 
> I think this require use ABS or another thing as control for deps.
> 

yes, but the problem is keeping abs up to date. original arch dbscripts
rely on svn. i changed it to simply use abs, but abs is updated once a
day from svn so our dbscripts ended up forbidding package releases and
annoying me constantly; i disabled this functionality.

> > Some requirements:
> >
> > - a single (repo, arch, pkgname, epoch, pkgver, pkgrel) tuple refers to
> >   exactly zero or one released package
> >
> > - multiple uploads at once work, usually at least one succeeds
> >
> > - all errors make just the affected upload do nothing (and notify
> >   appropriate users), they don't affect other, correct, uploads
> >
> > - no deadlocks; interrupted uploads don't cause other problems
> >
> > - runs are quick, except for waiting for the files to be uploaded (no
> >   waiting for files of other users)
> >
> > Possible issues:
> >
> > - continuing interrupted uploads
> >
> > fauno recommended checking lockfile-utils for locking support (writing
> > our would make more opportunities for bugs).  We need lock-or-fail and
> > unlock operations for a single lock or a set of locks.
> >
> > Any comments?  Is it too complex, or too unreliable, are the
> > requirements unsatisfiable, or ...?

i agree if the implementation is kiss :P

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Apr 10 23:06:09 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:06:09 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement librerelease and db-update
In-Reply-To: <87obqzv2p1.fsf@parabola.nu> (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez's
 message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:53:14 -0500")
References: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87obqzv2p1.fsf@parabola.nu>
Message-ID: <87d37f1926.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I like the idea, it seems feasible and easy to implement, however I
> think we should document the whole process of repo maintaining, because
> most people (me included) don't know exactly how it works.

+1, I also don't know some important parts of it.

>> My proposal is to make librerelease run a script on repo and pipe to
>> it the files to upload.
>
> +1 server site script. Just some questions, Can multiple packagers upload
> their packages at the same time? How will this be addresed?

It will work as if they were done separately in an (unspecified) order
(using the lock), unless some of them update the same packages.  In that
case only one upload would work, as if the conflicting uploads weren't
run.

> This is now addresed by uploading the packages to a ?staging? area, but
> I do think we do need a way to stop outdated or same package version to
> be uploaded.

The script would make staging unnecessary.

Disabling uploads downgrading packages should be done.  I know only one
case where such uploads were done for a useful purpose
(iceweasel-libre).

> I think this require use ABS or another thing as control for deps.

It doesn't (although otherwise the script could also detect uploads
without PKGBUILDs being available).  Packages are compared with the ones
in databases being updated by the script and used by pacman.  The
xorg-server cause would be handled client-side, by users uploading all
packages that need to be updated together at once.
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 12 05:43:55 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Adding DLAGENTS for git and other VCSs to makepkg.conf
Message-ID: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>


Abstract

   Given Parabola's policy that sources be downloaded prior to running
   a PKGBUILD file's build() function, we are creating multiple
   boiler-plate SRCBUILD files that all check out a specific commit
   from a version control system (VCS), and generate a tarball from it.

   Given that most VCSs are able to identify a commit just as
   permanently as a URL, or more so, it makes sense to to add a
   URL-handler ("DLAGENT") for URLs with a VCS SCM scheme, such as
   "git://".

Permanence of availability concerns

   One of the primary objections to getting files directly from an VCS
   has been that there must be a permanence of availability, a user
   must have a guarantee that the source he is downloading is the
   source originally used to build the package.

   If we give the DLAGENT the ability to specify a commit ID as part
   of the URL (not traditionally done by VCS tools, more below), the
   commit is just as unlikely to change as any other URL is.

   Further, distributed VCSs (DCVS) typically have cryprographically
   secure hash IDs, for example

     https://github.com/nothingmuch/git-svn-abandon.git#42014bf555fdac67c8c82ed69c4733ab9dba0c8a

   is cryptographically assured to always refer to the same code.

URL schemes for VCS tools

   VCS tools frequently use "pseudo-URLs". This necessitates using a
   wrapper program to (trivially) map between a URL and a VCS "remote
   repository", as well as getting the appropriate commit from the
   repository.

   Following are definitions for mappings for common VCS
   tools.another prot

   Git:
       git://${authority}/${path}[#${refspec}]
       git+${proto}://${authority}/${path}[#${refspec}]
     where
       * ${proto} is the scheme of the protocol being used to access
         the repository, if not git, sush as "ssh" or "http".
       * ${authority} is the "[userinfo@]host[:port]" string we all know
         so well, defined in RFC 3986.
       * ${path} is the path-part after the authority
       * ${refspec} is the git refspec of the commit. For our
         purposes, this is a commit hash, but it could be a branch or
         tag.
   SVN:
       svn+${proto}://${authority}/${path}[#${revnum}]
     where
       * ${revnum} is the revision number of the commit we are after

Implications

   This would require adding a few lines to the DLAGENTS array in
   /etc/makepkg.conf, as well as requiring that a few wrapper scripts
   be installed.

Other ideas

   I have some more ideas about decent caching/tar'ing of commit trees,
   but I'll have to tinker first.

Questions

   What do you think of this idea?
   If you like it, should the wrapper scripts be packaged with pacman,
   or be a separate package?

Sample implementation

   The following implementation is from an unrelated project I was
   working on that required pacman-like functionality. It is
   unsuitable for use by `makepkg`, however, displays the concept
   well.

case "$scheme" in
	http|https|ftp)
		wget -c "$url"
		bsdtar -xf "${url##*/}"
		;;
	svn+*)
		host="`echo "$url"|sed -r 's at .*://([^:/]*)[:/].*@\1@'`"
		data="`grep -F "$host" -- "$FRCUTILDIR/etc/svn-auth"`"
		if [ -n "$data" ]; then
			data="`echo "$data"|sed -r 's/\s+/\t/g'|cut -f 2-`"
			set -- $data
			auth="--username $1 --password $2"
		fi
		mkdir -p "$FRCUTILDIR/tmp/svn-config"
		svn co $auth --config-dir "$FRCUTILDIR/tmp/svn-config" "${url#svn+}" "$package"
		;;
	git+*|git)
		nurl=${url#git+}
		base=${nurl%%#*}
		frag=${nurl#*#}
		frc msg2 "Pulling from GIT repository..."
		if [ ! -d "$package" ]; then
			git clone "$base" "$package"
		else
			cd "$package" && {
				git pull "$base"
				cd ..
			}
		fi
		if [ -n "$frag" ]; then
			frc msg2 "Checking out proper commit/tag/branch..."
			cd "$package" && {
				git checkout "$frag"
				cd ..
			}
		fi
		;;
esac

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Apr 12 13:21:46 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:21:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Adding DLAGENTS for git and other VCSs to
	makepkg.conf
In-Reply-To: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87zkahccgl.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:43:55 -0400, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Abstract
> 
>    Given Parabola's policy that sources be downloaded prior to running
>    a PKGBUILD file's build() function, we are creating multiple
>    boiler-plate SRCBUILD files that all check out a specific commit
>    from a version control system (VCS), and generate a tarball from it.
> 
>    Given that most VCSs are able to identify a commit just as
>    permanently as a URL, or more so, it makes sense to to add a
>    URL-handler ("DLAGENT") for URLs with a VCS SCM scheme, such as
>    "git://".

The concern is not only availability of a given checkout, but
self-hosting sources (at least GPL2). I think your propposal is awesome
but it would need to provide sources to `makepkg --allsource` for
instance.




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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Apr 12 13:23:09 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:23:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Adding DLAGENTS for git and other VCSs to
	makepkg.conf
In-Reply-To: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87y5q1ccea.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:43:55 -0400, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Abstract
> 
>    Given Parabola's policy that sources be downloaded prior to running
>    a PKGBUILD file's build() function, we are creating multiple
>    boiler-plate SRCBUILD files that all check out a specific commit
>    from a version control system (VCS), and generate a tarball from it.
> 
>    Given that most VCSs are able to identify a commit just as
>    permanently as a URL, or more so, it makes sense to to add a
>    URL-handler ("DLAGENT") for URLs with a VCS SCM scheme, such as
>    "git://".

The concern is not only availability of a given checkout, but
self-hosting sources (at least GPL2). I think your propposal is awesome
but it would need to provide sources to `makepkg --allsource` for
instance.

Also SRCBUILDs were implemented to create libre tarballs (patching
freedom issues so you don't have to download the unfree sources) ;)


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Apr 12 13:23:45 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:23:45 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Ineiev] [GNU-linux-libre] pstoedit documentation issue
Message-ID: <87vcl5ccda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

FYI, it hasn't received comments yet
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 04:41:23 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:41:23 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87k41kjlak.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
> to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
> require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
> approach, but it still had some degree of security...
> 
> For this I found git-shell, a tool that comes with the git package and
> works as a user shell that only allows the git commands needed to push
> into repos.

Of course, the decision is that of the doer, but other solutions I
would consider:
 * git-http-server: a CGI script allowing push over HTTP. Permissions
   are handled by the web server.
   Also: There are clones that may work better with certain setups,
   for example, jgit-http-server for Java, or Grack for Ruby. I'm not
   aware of any that are Python (we're running Python for parabolaweb
   anyway).
 * Girocco (the repo.or.cz software): a set of (mostly perl) CGI
   scripts.
 * Gitorious: Ruby on Rails, RESTfully designed, meaning it has an API
   we can use to integrate it with other software and script things.

I mention scripting and integration because it will allow us to
automate submodule repository creation, which you are iterested in.

It also allows the possibility of integrating with parabolaweb, but I
wouldn't hope for that.

> I created a test user called "git2", with home /srv/git2 and shell
> /usr/bin/git-shell. Inside this home I mirrored abslibre.git to work on,
> and copied the .ssh from /srv/git (and cleaned up the stuff gitosis uses
> to work).
> 
> This worked OK, except that you have to pass the full path of the repo to
> push, so if you cloned git://gparabola/abslibre.git you'll have to
> push into ssh://gparabola/srv/git2/abslibre.git

You can work around this by not giving the address in URL form, but in
SCP form: "git2 at gparabola:abslibre.git"

> Now, we needed a method to add new SSH pubkeys in an easy way. Since
> git2 uses git-shell I couldn't run `ssh-copy-id` unless I specifically
> enabled it, but it still lacked the accountability I was looking for,
> that is "X added the new hacker Y", instead of randomly saying on
> #parabola "Hey I added Y to the repos" or "fauno, when will you add Y?".
> 
> I came up with this:
> 
> Manage the SSH pubkeys with another git repo in a way that pushing into
> it gives immediate access to those keys to the git server. The history
> management would also allow the kind of accountability I already
> mentioned by using technical methods embedded on git itself ;)
> 
> So I did this:
> 
> I created a "hackers" git repo locally and added the authorized_keys
> file and a README explaining how to work with the repo.
> 
> Under git2, I created "hackers.git" as a bare repo.
> 
> Then I cloned hackers.git into .ssh and gave it the permissions ssh
> needs.

http://lukeshu.ath.cx/1/img/git.png

> On hackers.git I added a post-update hook that forces a checkout on
> .ssh, so anytime someone pushes a key to the server it gets immediately
> approved by sshd.

Or a cron job if you want to get it working quickly.

~ Luke Shumaker

From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 04:43:16 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Adding DLAGENTS for git and other VCSs
	to	makepkg.conf
In-Reply-To: <87y5q1ccea.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87k41l7bdw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <87y5q1ccea.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87iph4jl7f.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:23:09 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> The concern is not only availability of a given checkout, but
> self-hosting sources (at least GPL2). I think your propposal is awesome
> but it would need to provide sources to `makepkg --allsource` for
> instance.

Definately, that is one thing that was missing from my sample
implementation. It would require a little more work, and I didn't want
to sink my time into it if everyone thought it was a horrible idea.

> Also SRCBUILDs were implemented to create libre tarballs (patching
> freedom issues so you don't have to download the unfree sources) ;)

Of course thouse would still stick around :)

Happy Hacking!
~ Luke Shumaker

From hahj87 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 13 08:28:33 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:28:33 -0500
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement librerelease and db-update
In-Reply-To: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87zkaka9ah.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <878vi011e6.fsf@parabola.nu>

Another comment on librerelease & db-update redesign:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:24:06 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:

> If multiple uploads including the same package are done at once, only
> at most one succeeds, others fail, the library uploaded must be the one
> From the successful run.

Is there any way that the server send an ?skip signal? for the package
instead of failing the entire upload? This way a conflicting package
shouldn't stop other packages from being uploaded.

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Apr 13 13:31:46 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:31:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87k41kjlak.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87k41kjlak.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <87pqbbdagt.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:41:23 -0400, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> At Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300,
> Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> > So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
> > to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
> > require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
> > approach, but it still had some degree of security...
> > 
> > For this I found git-shell, a tool that comes with the git package and
> > works as a user shell that only allows the git commands needed to push
> > into repos.
> 
> Of course, the decision is that of the doer, but other solutions I
> would consider:
>  * git-http-server: a CGI script allowing push over HTTP. Permissions
>    are handled by the web server.
>    Also: There are clones that may work better with certain setups,
>    for example, jgit-http-server for Java, or Grack for Ruby. I'm not
>    aware of any that are Python (we're running Python for parabolaweb
>    anyway).
>  * Girocco (the repo.or.cz software): a set of (mostly perl) CGI
>    scripts.
>  * Gitorious: Ruby on Rails, RESTfully designed, meaning it has an API
>    we can use to integrate it with other software and script things.

do we really need http-push?

> 
> I mention scripting and integration because it will allow us to
> automate submodule repository creation, which you are iterested in.

yeah, repo creation is something to fix... but can't it be done with a
script? gitorious would be interesting if it's relatively straight
forward to install...

> 
> It also allows the possibility of integrating with parabolaweb, but I
> wouldn't hope for that.

labs.parabola.nu already integrates one repo to one project and shows
it's commit (not very gui-friendly but you have feeds)

> 
> > I created a test user called "git2", with home /srv/git2 and shell
> > /usr/bin/git-shell. Inside this home I mirrored abslibre.git to work on,
> > and copied the .ssh from /srv/git (and cleaned up the stuff gitosis uses
> > to work).
> > 
> > This worked OK, except that you have to pass the full path of the repo to
> > push, so if you cloned git://gparabola/abslibre.git you'll have to
> > push into ssh://gparabola/srv/git2/abslibre.git
> 
> You can work around this by not giving the address in URL form, but in
> SCP form: "git2 at gparabola:abslibre.git"

so with the ssh_config aliases it would be gparabola:abslibre.git :D

> 
> > Now, we needed a method to add new SSH pubkeys in an easy way. Since
> > git2 uses git-shell I couldn't run `ssh-copy-id` unless I specifically
> > enabled it, but it still lacked the accountability I was looking for,
> > that is "X added the new hacker Y", instead of randomly saying on
> > #parabola "Hey I added Y to the repos" or "fauno, when will you add Y?".
> > 
> > I came up with this:
> > 
> > Manage the SSH pubkeys with another git repo in a way that pushing into
> > it gives immediate access to those keys to the git server. The history
> > management would also allow the kind of accountability I already
> > mentioned by using technical methods embedded on git itself ;)
> > 
> > So I did this:
> > 
> > I created a "hackers" git repo locally and added the authorized_keys
> > file and a README explaining how to work with the repo.
> > 
> > Under git2, I created "hackers.git" as a bare repo.
> > 
> > Then I cloned hackers.git into .ssh and gave it the permissions ssh
> > needs.
> 
> http://lukeshu.ath.cx/1/img/git.png
> 

hahahahaa but we were already doing this with gitosis.


> > On hackers.git I added a post-update hook that forces a checkout on
> > .ssh, so anytime someone pushes a key to the server it gets immediately
> > approved by sshd.
> 
> Or a cron job if you want to get it working quickly.

the hook is already tested and synchronic to the git-push, a cron would
introduce waiting time.

another problem would be how to do this also on repos (different
servers). you can add more than one pushing "url" to git so one push
sends to more, but this requires manual configuration.

also some security audit wouldn't be bad on ssh accesible users

-- 
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Apr 13 14:32:11 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:32:11 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Tom Gundersen] [arch-dev-public] [RFC] official systemd
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FYI!

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Apr 13 14:33:26 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:33:26 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Pierre Schmitz] [arch-dev-public] [signoff]
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FYI
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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 18:52:04 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:52:04 -0400
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87pqbbdagt.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87k41kjlak.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
 <87pqbbdagt.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87fwc7jwh7.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:31:46 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:41:23 -0400, Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Of course, the decision is that of the doer, but other solutions I
> > would consider:
> >  * git-http-server: a CGI script allowing push over HTTP. Permissions
> >    are handled by the web server.
> >    Also: There are clones that may work better with certain setups,
> >    for example, jgit-http-server for Java, or Grack for Ruby. I'm not
> >    aware of any that are Python (we're running Python for parabolaweb
> >    anyway).
> >  * Girocco (the repo.or.cz software): a set of (mostly perl) CGI
> >    scripts.
> >  * Gitorious: Ruby on Rails, RESTfully designed, meaning it has an API
> >    we can use to integrate it with other software and script things.
> 
> do we really need http-push?

No, but it offers an alternative to SSH for
authentication. Comparatively, HTTP authentication is easy to
integrate with another source of user management.

In fact, it looks like for ChiliProject/Redmine already has the
capability to do this with git-http-server/Grack. So the ChiliProject
install on labs.parabola.nu could be used to manage git commit access.

https://www.chiliproject.org/projects/chiliproject/wiki/HowTo_configure_ChiliProject_for_advanced_git_integration

> > I mention scripting and integration because it will allow us to
> > automate submodule repository creation, which you are iterested in.
> 
> yeah, repo creation is something to fix... but can't it be done with a
> script? gitorious would be interesting if it's relatively straight
> forward to install...

I don't know how easy it is to install Gitorious, but yeah a script
would be pretty easy to do.

> > It also allows the possibility of integrating with parabolaweb, but I
> > wouldn't hope for that.
> 
> labs.parabola.nu already integrates one repo to one project and shows
> it's commit (not very gui-friendly but you have feeds)

See my above comment about using labs.parabola.nu to manage commit
access.

> > You can work around this by not giving the address in URL form, but in
> > SCP form: "git2 at gparabola:abslibre.git"
> 
> so with the ssh_config aliases it would be gparabola:abslibre.git :D

Yeah. I'd thought that git needed the '@' to identify the form, but I
was mistaken.

> > > On hackers.git I added a post-update hook that forces a checkout on
> > > .ssh, so anytime someone pushes a key to the server it gets immediately
> > > approved by sshd.
> > 
> > Or a cron job if you want to get it working quickly.
> 
> the hook is already tested and synchronic to the git-push, a cron would
> introduce waiting time.

Oh, I misread, I thought you still had to write the hook. Very well
then.

> another problem would be how to do this also on repos (different
> servers). you can add more than one pushing "url" to git so one push
> sends to more, but this requires manual configuration.
> 
> also some security audit wouldn't be bad on ssh accesible users
> 
> -- 
> libertad!

~ Luke Shumaker

From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 23:43:51 2012
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: gnu-ghostscript replaces ghostscript-libre
In-Reply-To: <87r4vvg246.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <4F83F617.9010208@adinet.com.uy>
	<87r4vvg246.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87bomvjiyw.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:14:49 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> does this version match our ghostscript-libre? we had gnu-gs version 8
> but with the change on arch to gs 9 (or a version change that changed
> apis) many packages broke. when i asked the gnu-gs developers for an
> update they answered "any time during the year". it took more than that
> i think...

Ghostscript: 9.05
GNU Ghostscript: 9.04.1

~ Luke Shumaker

From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 14 08:16:46 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:16:46 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Mirror a net negative?
Message-ID: <4F89326E.5040109@googlemail.com>

Hello,

if I interpret the data correctly, my mirror received ~22GB by syncing 
with the main mirror, but served only ~7GB in the last 40 days.

~~~~
$ uptime
  07:35:09 up 40 days, 13:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00
$ /sbin/ifconfig venet0 | grep RX\ bytes
           RX bytes:24022006592 (22.3 GiB)  TX bytes:7440433941 (6.9 GiB)
~~~~

The log files contain >7000 requests with a "pacman" user agent - fellow 
paraboleros use the mirror.

But I wonder if we achieve the goal of saving bandwith to the primary 
mirror when syncing uses more bandwidth than serving data to users.

Is this a problem and should we do anything about it?

- Johannes

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Apr 14 19:24:39 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:24:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mariadb on libre repo
Message-ID: <4F89CEF7.4060300@adinet.com.uy>

Hi guys, my brother and me put mariadb on Libre repo as alternative of
mysql. We forgot to announce this package on Parabola Mail List dueof
the motivation for the development of mariadb PKGBUILD, sorry for
incovenience :)
In this moment, my brother and me, are building a new revision because
Key Foy reports a conflict issue on identi.ca
https://identi.ca/notice/92735685

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Apr 14 21:15:00 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:15:00 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: mariadb is now available but in libre-testing
Message-ID: <4F89E8D4.3020405@adinet.com.uy>

Hi parabolers, my brother and myself have solved conflicts with
mariadb-clients and libmariadbclient, and is now available as 5.5.23-2
version, but we found some issues and conflicts with mariadb in some
programs, eg: amarok.
In this moment, MariaDB was transferred from libre to libre-testing, to
solve problems mentioned above.

Please, once more, we apologize for any inconvenience caused.

Greetings,

Andr? Fabian Silva and M?rcio Alexandre Silva Delgado.

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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sun Apr 15 01:26:27 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:26:27 -0600
Subject: [Dev] My first patched and compiled package to Parabola! :D
Message-ID: <1334453187.20353.5.camel@abril.local>

Hey boys and girls!!

I did my first build-for-release package for Parabola <3, yay!. The
package is vlmc-git[1], I had to apply a patch (which I got from the
project's bug tracker). Yup, my first time doing these stuff, just
awesome :D

anyway, I want to make available the package, so I attached my GPG
public key :)

[1] http://www.videolan.org/vlmc/
-- 

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Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
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Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sun Apr 15 11:01:10 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200
Subject: [Dev] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre solution?
Message-ID: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org>


Hi,

I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
via modfifying install.py of the
~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py

But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.

http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api

Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Apr 15 17:30:49 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:30:49 -0300
Subject: [Dev] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre solution?
In-Reply-To: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org>
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
> that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
> i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
> via modfifying install.py of the
> ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
> 
> But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.
> 
> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api
> 
> Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
> best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org

are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 

-- 
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr 15 17:50:35 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:50:35 +0200
Subject: [Dev] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre solution?
In-Reply-To: <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:30:49 -0300")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87vcl028b8.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 

The problem is that pip, distribute and maybe other packages by default
use a package index listing nonfree software.

Being able to use these tools in a free distro to install free software
is needed for Python programmers or users of packages not packaged in
the distro.  Python Web applications and framework probably often
recommend installing them via pip or similar tools, not by using distro
packages.
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sun Apr 15 18:00:31 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:00:31 +0200
Subject: [Dev] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre solution?
In-Reply-To: <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:30:49 -0300")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
>> that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
>> i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
>> via modfifying install.py of the
>> ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>> 
>> But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.
>> 
>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api
>> 
>> Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
>> best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org
>
> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

Well ...

The guy of #django-cms told me to use it to install django-cms and it's
true that when you make some python stuff ... working in a virtualenv is
really a nice thing ... to compare is a bit like the interest of the
chroot. (no destruction is possible!)

Well at this time i am working on it to try to find a free way ... and
have great hope in a working solution, the trouble is that it will
represent lot of stuff (for the database itself not the code which will
return an error to the user trying to install non free stuff).
(because i have not the knowledge for automation)

Well i prefer try than let that fall in the blacklisted hole ... (well
if one of you told me there is no trouble with it ... i will say Cool
but it seems that you can really install non free stuff from that ... a
bit like with firefox)

I think that it is not a trouble for Parabola only, but all free distro
are concerned by the python pypi.

A possible solution should be at this time (but represent lot of stuff
on cleaning the page (htm)) ::

install the python virtualenv

modify ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
you should modify the search.py to
on the line corresponding to the target website
>>> import py_compile
>>> py_compile.compile('install.py')
to replace the .pyc corresponding

then copy modify the http://pypi.python.org/simple/
and the page correspondant to each software
keep the md5 (needed as explain
http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api) 

well if one of you have a better and more simple solution, like
automation on keeping free software of the pypi ... that should be the
best ... or maybe knows an already working solution.

-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES - Animateur P at m-Sarte
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
Free Software & Zen Minimalism Hactivist
Fight for your freedom rights! Join FSF.org
Fully Free Operating System at GNU.org

From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sun Apr 15 18:04:30 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:04:30 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre
	solution?
In-Reply-To: <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:00:31 +0200")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87hawk50sx.fsf@bob.domain.org>

gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:

> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
>>> that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
>>> i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
>>> via modfifying install.py of the
>>> ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>>> 
>>> But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.
>>> 
>>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api
>>> 
>>> Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
>>> best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org
>>
>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>
> Well ...
>
> The guy of #django-cms told me to use it to install django-cms and it's
> true that when you make some python stuff ... working in a virtualenv is
> really a nice thing ... to compare is a bit like the interest of the
> chroot. (no destruction is possible!)
>
> Well at this time i am working on it to try to find a free way ... and
> have great hope in a working solution, the trouble is that it will
> represent lot of stuff (for the database itself not the code which will
> return an error to the user trying to install non free stuff).
> (because i have not the knowledge for automation)
>
> Well i prefer try than let that fall in the blacklisted hole ... (well
> if one of you told me there is no trouble with it ... i will say Cool
> but it seems that you can really install non free stuff from that ... a
> bit like with firefox)
>
> I think that it is not a trouble for Parabola only, but all free distro
> are concerned by the python pypi.
>
> A possible solution should be at this time (but represent lot of stuff
> on cleaning the page (htm)) ::
>
> install the python virtualenv
>
> modify ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
> you should modify the search.py to
> on the line corresponding to the target website
>>>> import py_compile
>>>> py_compile.compile('install.py')
> to replace the .pyc corresponding
>
> then copy modify the http://pypi.python.org/simple/
> and the page correspondant to each software
> keep the md5 (needed as explain
> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api) 
>
> well if one of you have a better and more simple solution, like
> automation on keeping free software of the pypi ... that should be the
> best ... or maybe knows an already working solution.
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

tranmission from another mail of the dev at parabolagnulinux.org mailing list ::
--text follows this line--
mtjm at mtjm.eu (Micha? Mas?owski) writes:

>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
>
> The problem is that pip, distribute and maybe other packages by default
> use a package index listing nonfree software.
>
> Being able to use these tools in a free distro to install free software
> is needed for Python programmers or users of packages not packaged in
> the distro.  Python Web applications and framework probably often
> recommend installing them via pip or similar tools, not by using distro
> packages.
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sun Apr 15 20:58:37 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:58:37 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre
	solution?
In-Reply-To: <87hawk50sx.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:04:30 +0200")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawk50sx.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87iph0u2yq.fsf@bob.domain.org>

gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:

> gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:
>
>> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
>>>> that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
>>>> i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
>>>> via modfifying install.py of the
>>>> ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>>>> 
>>>> But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.
>>>> 
>>>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api
>>>> 
>>>> Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
>>>> best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org
>>>
>>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>>
>> Well ...
>>
>> The guy of #django-cms told me to use it to install django-cms and it's
>> true that when you make some python stuff ... working in a virtualenv is
>> really a nice thing ... to compare is a bit like the interest of the
>> chroot. (no destruction is possible!)
>>
>> Well at this time i am working on it to try to find a free way ... and
>> have great hope in a working solution, the trouble is that it will
>> represent lot of stuff (for the database itself not the code which will
>> return an error to the user trying to install non free stuff).
>> (because i have not the knowledge for automation)
>>
>> Well i prefer try than let that fall in the blacklisted hole ... (well
>> if one of you told me there is no trouble with it ... i will say Cool
>> but it seems that you can really install non free stuff from that ... a
>> bit like with firefox)
>>
>> I think that it is not a trouble for Parabola only, but all free distro
>> are concerned by the python pypi.
>>
>> A possible solution should be at this time (but represent lot of stuff
>> on cleaning the page (htm)) ::
>>
>> install the python virtualenv
>>
>> modify ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>> you should modify the search.py to
>> on the line corresponding to the target website
>>>>> import py_compile
>>>>> py_compile.compile('install.py')
>> to replace the .pyc corresponding
>>
>> then copy modify the http://pypi.python.org/simple/
>> and the page correspondant to each software
>> keep the md5 (needed as explain
>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api) 
>>
>> well if one of you have a better and more simple solution, like
>> automation on keeping free software of the pypi ... that should be the
>> best ... or maybe knows an already working solution.
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>
> tranmission from another mail of the dev at parabolagnulinux.org mailing list ::
> --text follows this line--
> mtjm at mtjm.eu (Micha? Mas?owski) writes:
>
>>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
>>
>> The problem is that pip, distribute and maybe other packages by default
>> use a package index listing nonfree software.
>>
>> Being able to use these tools in a free distro to install free software
>> is needed for Python programmers or users of packages not packaged in
>> the distro.  Python Web applications and framework probably often
>> recommend installing them via pip or similar tools, not by using distro
>> packages.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
<#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

Some more information with possible rebranding to free issue ::

This link should be replaced by a free repository

pip/commands/install.py (pypi.python.org/simple) line 52
pip/commands/search.py (pypi.python.org/simple) line 25
pip/index.py (last.pypi.python.org) line 29

index.py also suggest line 351 and 352 to keep the name simple (maybe we can change here to free) which mean a possible complete and correct rebranding to freedom

end of visiting /pip and /pip/commands

it seems we need a sort of repository like last.pypi.python.org + free list + modifying the source codes as above.

(hope that tomorow i'll can continue the test ... but my host seems to
have decide to make me some misery ... well, last way will be to make
the test on a personnal one :))

Have fun & be free! Join the FSF.org!

-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES- Animateur P at m-Sarte
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
Free Software & Zen Minimalism Hactivist
Fight for your freedom rights! Join FSF.org
Fully Free Operating System at GNU.org

From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Apr 16 00:08:32 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:08:32 -0300
Subject: [Dev] NEWS: mariadb is now stable version, (available on libre repo)
Message-ID: <4F8B6300.2010705@adinet.com.uy>

Hi Parabolers, my brother (coadde) created a new mariadb revision, and
now is stable. In this moment, this package is now available on libre
repo, but as optional way to use sql, so if you want you can to choose 2
options: use mysql or mariadb.

Enjoy the freedom! lol

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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 06:00:51 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:00:51 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Mirror a net negative?
In-Reply-To: <4F89326E.5040109@googlemail.com>
References: <4F89326E.5040109@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <87r4voqkq4.fsf@parabola.nu>

There is a page on wiki that explains how to make a mirror that serves
packages on demand using nginx:

https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Mirroring_On_Demand#Using_Nginx

Maybe you could adapt it to your mirror so it use only the required
amount of bandwith.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:16:46 +0200, Johannes Krampf <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> if I interpret the data correctly, my mirror received ~22GB by syncing 
> with the main mirror, but served only ~7GB in the last 40 days.
> 
> ~~~~
> $ uptime
>   07:35:09 up 40 days, 13:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00
> $ /sbin/ifconfig venet0 | grep RX\ bytes
>            RX bytes:24022006592 (22.3 GiB)  TX bytes:7440433941 (6.9 GiB)
> ~~~~
> 
> The log files contain >7000 requests with a "pacman" user agent - fellow 
> paraboleros use the mirror.
> 
> But I wonder if we achieve the goal of saving bandwith to the primary 
> mirror when syncing uses more bandwidth than serving data to users.
> 
> Is this a problem and should we do anything about it?
> 
> - Johannes
> 
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Mon Apr 16 15:12:10 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:12:10 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre
	solution?
In-Reply-To: <87iph0u2yq.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:58:37 +0200")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawk50sx.fsf@bob.domain.org>
 <87iph0u2yq.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <877gxf7lth.fsf@bob.domain.org>

gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:

> gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:
>
>> gnu.tek at gmx.com (Aur?lien) writes:
>>
>>> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:01:10 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have recently install a plone website from virtualenvs, but it seems
>>>>> that it offer some non-free software from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
>>>>> i have tried to find a solution to free it and it seems it's possible
>>>>> via modfifying install.py of the
>>>>> ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it seems to need a solution like a form of repository.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since all free distro seems to be concerned by this trouble, maybe the
>>>>> best should to start a free project from the https://savannah.gnu.org
>>>>
>>>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>>>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>>>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>>>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> The guy of #django-cms told me to use it to install django-cms and it's
>>> true that when you make some python stuff ... working in a virtualenv is
>>> really a nice thing ... to compare is a bit like the interest of the
>>> chroot. (no destruction is possible!)
>>>
>>> Well at this time i am working on it to try to find a free way ... and
>>> have great hope in a working solution, the trouble is that it will
>>> represent lot of stuff (for the database itself not the code which will
>>> return an error to the user trying to install non free stuff).
>>> (because i have not the knowledge for automation)
>>>
>>> Well i prefer try than let that fall in the blacklisted hole ... (well
>>> if one of you told me there is no trouble with it ... i will say Cool
>>> but it seems that you can really install non free stuff from that ... a
>>> bit like with firefox)
>>>
>>> I think that it is not a trouble for Parabola only, but all free distro
>>> are concerned by the python pypi.
>>>
>>> A possible solution should be at this time (but represent lot of stuff
>>> on cleaning the page (htm)) ::
>>>
>>> install the python virtualenv
>>>
>>> modify ~/.vir*/*/lib/pyt*/site-packages/pip*/pip/commands/install.py
>>> you should modify the search.py to
>>> on the line corresponding to the target website
>>>>>> import py_compile
>>>>>> py_compile.compile('install.py')
>>> to replace the .pyc corresponding
>>>
>>> then copy modify the http://pypi.python.org/simple/
>>> and the page correspondant to each software
>>> keep the md5 (needed as explain
>>> http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall#package-index-api) 
>>>
>>> well if one of you have a better and more simple solution, like
>>> automation on keeping free software of the pypi ... that should be the
>>> best ... or maybe knows an already working solution.
>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>>
>> tranmission from another mail of the dev at parabolagnulinux.org mailing list ::
>> --text follows this line--
>> mtjm at mtjm.eu (Micha? Mas?owski) writes:
>>
>>>> are virtualenvs needed? they're a pain in the ass... this also happen
>>>> with ruby gems though the huge majority are mit/bsd-like licensed (but
>>>> they don't have a 'license' field afaict) 
>>>
>>> The problem is that pip, distribute and maybe other packages by default
>>> use a package index listing nonfree software.
>>>
>>> Being able to use these tools in a free distro to install free software
>>> is needed for Python programmers or users of packages not packaged in
>>> the distro.  Python Web applications and framework probably often
>>> recommend installing them via pip or similar tools, not by using distro
>>> packages.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dev mailing list
>>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>>
> Some more information with possible rebranding to free issue ::
>
> This link should be replaced by a free repository
>
> pip/commands/install.py (pypi.python.org/simple) line 52
> pip/commands/search.py (pypi.python.org/simple) line 25
> pip/index.py (last.pypi.python.org) line 29
>
> index.py also suggest line 351 and 352 to keep the name simple (maybe we can change here to free) which mean a possible complete and correct rebranding to freedom
>
> end of visiting /pip and /pip/commands
>
> it seems we need a sort of repository like last.pypi.python.org + free list + modifying the source codes as above.
>
> (hope that tomorow i'll can continue the test ... but my host seems to
> have decide to make me some misery ... well, last way will be to make
> the test on a personnal one :))
>
> Have fun & be free! Join the FSF.org!

Here is a testing solution (works!)

As said on the part above modify the install.py
for the test you can use ::

http://pbot.dyndns.org:8000/simple/

At this time it have just some packages to test

Then try ::

pip install a8

As you can see it get the code ...if you try another package which is
not in the list, it will not goes to pypi. 

Mates, we have discuss about that in #parabola and we think that it
represent an important freedom issue for all free distro. (for python
webmaster ... python hackers ... students ...)

Standing for better solution from you ... i will try to continue this
action ... trying to make as fast as possible an egg of that (gplv3 if
possible (not depending from me but the pip original one)) and then at a
time a working egg will be ... you'll can make your .deb and us a
pkgbuild for parabola 

This solution is maybe not the best, but, it show that it's possible!

So don't hesitate to ping me or improve it for all!

Have fun & be free! Join the FSF.org!

-- 
Aurelien DESBRIERES - Animateur P at m-Sarte
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
Free Software & Zen Minimalism Hactivist
Fight for your freedom rights! Join FSF.org
Fully Free Operating System at GNU.org

From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Mon Apr 16 19:13:17 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:13:17 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] virtualenvs offer non-free way a libre
	solution?
In-Reply-To: <877gxf7lth.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:12:10 +0200")
References: <87bomt9s3t.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawkaomu.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <87r4vo50zk.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87hawk50sx.fsf@bob.domain.org>
 <87iph0u2yq.fsf@bob.domain.org> <877gxf7lth.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87wr5f32ya.fsf@bob.domain.org>


After discussing in #Parabola about find some more K.I.S.S. ways
here is a possible solution.

mtjm suggest to write a script to mirror PyPI without non-FSDG
packages

After a search in this way it seems that we can build our own pypi for
all using a solution like this

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/mypypi

Since we are all concerned by that point, maybe the best shoud to have a
gnu-pypi for everyone.

-- 
aurelien

P.S.: Anyone knows where it's possible to buy a GNU baseball caps?

From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Apr 17 19:11:19 2012
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:11:19 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue420] [iceweasel-libre] change it to package [xulrunner]
In-Reply-To: <1329146276.82.0.846410812366.issue420@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1334689879.9.0.946640547202.issue420@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Solved with a separate xulrunner-libre package.

----------
status: unread -> resolved

____________________________________________________
Parabola's issue tracker <bugs at parabolagnulinux.org>
<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue420>
____________________________________________________

From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:39:44 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:39:44 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Add my PGP Key on my hacker profile
In-Reply-To: <4F78B6D9.40802@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F78B6D9.40802@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8DD510.1020002@adinet.com.uy>

if you want, add my PGP Key on my hacker profile (Emulatorman)

PGP Key: 0x98638719
http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719
<http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719>

thanks ;)




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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:47:14 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:47:14 -0300
Subject: [Dev] My brother profile to put on Parabola Hackers Profile on the
	webpage
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD4B9.4060102@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8DD4B9.4060102@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8DD6D2.8090809@adinet.com.uy>

Name: M?rcio Alexandre Silva Delgado (M?rcio Alexandre Silva Delgado)
Alias: coadde
Email: coadde at adinet.com.uy
Other Contact: IRC: cyberspeed (domain:cyberspeed.sytes.net)
PGP Key: 0xBFF3F791
http://http-keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=0x293E2D4654CFF037F7569D4EEB1C29CCBFF3F791&op=vindex

Roles: Parabola Hacker
Website:
Occupation: GNU Sysadmin and Security, Graphics Design, Creation and
Animation 2D/3D
YOB: 1988
Location: S?o Paulo-SP Brazil
Languages: Portuguese, Spanish, English and Galician
Interests: Free software and ecology advocacy, 3D desing, free art and
computer science
Favorite Distros: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre





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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:57:27 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:57:27 -0300
Subject: [Dev] My brother pic to put on Parabola Hackers Profile on the
	webpage
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD708.1070805@adinet.com.uy>
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:58:58 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:58:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Add my PGP Key on my hacker profile
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD510.1020002@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F78B6D9.40802@adinet.com.uy> <4F8DD510.1020002@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8DD992.3020800@adinet.com.uy>

Em 17-04-2012 17:39, Andr? Silva escreveu:
> if you want, add my PGP Key on my hacker profile (Emulatorman)
>
> PGP Key: 0x98638719
> http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719
> <http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719>
>
> thanks ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
add this PGP Key on my profile in PGP Key Line
https://parabolagnulinux.org/hackers/#Emulatorman
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 18 05:00:48 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:00:48 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate repo
Message-ID: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>

Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
freedom!

So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
to go those packages:

1 option: put packages on artistic repo
2 option: put it on social repo
3 option: put it on libre repo
4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
5 option: put it on graphic repo
6 option: put it on media repo

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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Wed Apr 18 05:17:31 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:17:31 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
	repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:00:48 -0300")
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <877gxdehzo.fsf@bob.domain.org>

Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> writes:

> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
> freedom!
>
> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
> to go those packages:
>
> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
> 2 option: put it on social repo
> 3 option: put it on libre repo
> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
> 6 option: put it on media repo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

+1 for graphic repo

-- 
Aurelien

From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 18 05:29:23 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIFNpbHZh?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:29:23 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <877gxdehzo.fsf@bob.domain.org>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <877gxdehzo.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <4F8E5133.3070905@adinet.com.uy>

Em 18-04-2012 02:17, Aur?lien escreveu:
> Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> writes:
>
>> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
>> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
>> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
>> freedom!
>>
>> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
>> to go those packages:
>>
>> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
>> 2 option: put it on social repo
>> 3 option: put it on libre repo
>> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
>> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
>> 6 option: put it on media repo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> +1 for graphic repo
>

My vote:

+1 for artistic repo

My brother has problems with subscribe to mail list, so, he goes votes
with me here temporarily

My brother vote:

+1 for artistic repo


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From ze.miguel.lara at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 05:33:33 2012
From: ze.miguel.lara at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Miguel?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:33:33 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E5133.3070905@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <877gxdehzo.fsf@bob.domain.org>
 <4F8E5133.3070905@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8E522D.5000709@gmail.com>

Em 18-04-2012 02:29, Andr? Silva escreveu:
> Em 18-04-2012 02:17, Aur?lien escreveu:
>> Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> writes:
>>
>>> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
>>> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
>>> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
>>> freedom!
>>>
>>> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
>>> to go those packages:
>>>
>>> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
>>> 2 option: put it on social repo
>>> 3 option: put it on libre repo
>>> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
>>> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
>>> 6 option: put it on media repo
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dev mailing list
>>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>>> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>> +1 for graphic repo
>>
> My vote:
>
> +1 for artistic repo
>
> My brother has problems with subscribe to mail list, so, he goes votes
> with me here temporarily
>
> My brother vote:
>
> +1 for artistic repo
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

+1 for artistic repo
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From cer at parlementum.net  Wed Apr 18 05:55:48 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <20120418055547.GA813@gramarye>

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 02:00:48AM -0300, Andr? Silva wrote:
> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
> freedom!
> 
> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
> to go those packages:
> 
> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
> 2 option: put it on social repo
> 3 option: put it on libre repo
> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
> 6 option: put it on media repo
> 



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

I vote for 6
-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at parlementum.net
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
"Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"

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From coadde at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 18 05:52:37 2012
From: coadde at adinet.com.uy (coadde)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:52:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E55BA.7050507@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <4F8E55BA.7050507@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8E56A5.3060701@adinet.com.uy>


> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
> freedom!
>
> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
> to go those packages:
>
> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
> 2 option: put it on social repo
> 3 option: put it on libre repo
> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
> 6 option: put it on media repo
>
>
Hi, I'm emulatorman's brother, i resolved problem my e-mail with mail
list, so i want to put my vote.

+1 for artistic repo

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From jorginho at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 18 19:58:55 2012
From: jorginho at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_L=F3pez?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:58:55 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E56A5.3060701@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <4F8E55BA.7050507@adinet.com.uy>
 <4F8E56A5.3060701@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8F1CFF.7030502@adinet.com.uy>

En 18/04/12 07:52, coadde escribiu:
>> Hi Parabolers, my brother is creating yafaray and aqsis packages to put
>> on Parabola. Those packages are very necessary for artists to work on 3d
>> renders and are awesome complements for blender. Those packages are 100%
>> freedom!
>>
>> So, we open a votation for you (Paraboler) choose in which repo should
>> to go those packages:
>>
>> 1 option: put packages on artistic repo
>> 2 option: put it on social repo
>> 3 option: put it on libre repo
>> 4 option: put it on a custom repo choosen by community
>> 5 option: put it on graphic repo
>> 6 option: put it on media repo
>>
>>
> Hi, I'm emulatorman's brother, i resolved problem my e-mail with mail
> list, so i want to put my vote.
>
> +1 for artistic repo
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
I think that the best repo for these programs is artistic repo

+1 for artistic repo
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From cer at parlementum.net  Wed Apr 18 19:48:53 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:48:53 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Add my PGP Key on my hacker profile
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD510.1020002@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F78B6D9.40802@adinet.com.uy>
 <4F8DD510.1020002@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <20120418194853.GA997@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 05:39:44PM -0300, Andr? Silva wrote:
> if you want, add my PGP Key on my hacker profile (Emulatorman)
> 
> PGP Key: 0x98638719
> http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719
> <http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCD0CFA5398638719>
> 
> thanks ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

DONE!
-- 
Charles Roth
Cultural Detective and Curious Antiquary
General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at parlementum.net
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
About Me: http://encyclomundi.org/wiki/User:Encyclom
"Like so many Victorian gentlemen of leisure, he published pamphlets"

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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Wed Apr 18 21:42:52 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:42:52 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on determinate
 repo
In-Reply-To: <20120418055547.GA813@gramarye>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <20120418055547.GA813@gramarye>
Message-ID: <1334785372.1776.2.camel@abril.local>

+1 for artistic repo :D
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 18 22:31:12 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:31:12 -0300
Subject: [Dev] (FINAL RESULT) Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages on
 determinate repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8F40B0.1090301@adinet.com.uy>

The final result was that artistic repo won the votation! So if you want
to have this repo, you must to add it on your pacman.conf. if you have
libre artistics packages, please add it on that repo.

Enjoy the freedom!

Greatings,

Andr? Silva

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Thu Apr 19 20:53:32 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:53:32 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement the blacklist
Message-ID: <87sjfz78ab.fsf@mtjm.eu>

The blacklist.txt file we currently use has these problems:

- it's long, e.g. listing each Firefox l10n package separately

- removing PKGBUILDs for nonfree packages requires manually specifying
  there all packages built from them

- many entries are undocumented

- many entries refer to packages not included in Arch, so it's not clear
  which ones should be liberated

- no mention of the problem being known/unknown on the gnu-linux-libre
  list or upstream

For these reasons I propose replacing it with a recfile?[0] having a
record for each pkgbase building packages to blacklist, with
machine-readable fields explaining why it's blacklisted and linking to
upstream reports.

I attach a mostly self-describing example based on blacklist.txt of
revision 1a6a485c9941912983db17005271aae0567cadea.  The schema can and
probably should be changed.

There would be two changes in what is blacklisted:

- all packages built from a single PKGBUILD would be removed

- packages not included in Arch wouldn't be blacklisted

Should we do these changes?

There will be additional technical issues:

- dbscripts will depend on recutils; is it a problem?

  We have it packaged (not built for i686 yet) and it doesn't have many
  dependencies.

- dbscripts will need to have a pkgbase -> pkgname mapping

  It could be obtained from abs which is delayed.  I believe this
  wouldn't be a problem in most cases, since the currently manual
  blacklisting is also done after a new package from Arch is included.

- your-freedom needs to be generated differently

- we should check what binary packages will be initially blacklisted by
  it to avoid introducing bugs when converting the list

- some entries need determining their "type"

  recfix will consider it incorrect otherwise, and maybe some of these
  packages are now free (and users ask why they are blacklisted).

- wiki articles need updating

We could implement additional scripts automating blacklist management:

- finding all packages which should be blacklisted for depending on a
  removed package (to add with Type: depends in the example)

- finding replacement packages which aren't really available

- listing packages without upstream reports (unless they have Type:
  distro or Type: branding)

The change would introduce these problems:

- the blacklist file would be bigger, scripts fetching it often could
  need changing

- blacklisting a package would need more typing?? this can be partially
  automated

- scripts doing queries on the blacklist might be slower if it's big
  enough?? using grep instead of recsel in simple cases, or future
  recutils indexing support will solve this

[0] https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/

The example (please quote only the relevant parts when replying):

%rec: Package
%key: Base
%sort: Base
%mandatory: Type
%type: Type enum
+ nonfree (has no free license or no source)
+ recommends (recommends a nonfree package)
+ depends (depends on a blacklisted package, name it in the Dependency field)
+ branding (has branding for other/non-FSDG distro)
+ distro (is distro-specific)
+ nonfree-source (source includes nonfree files)
+ useless (not useful without nonfree software)
+ nonfree-build (needs nonfree software to build)
+ kernel-module (includes kernel modules which need rebuilding)
+ java-binary (Java package not built from source)
# ParabolaBugs is issueXX of https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issueXX
%type: ParabolaBugs regexp /issue[1-9][0-9]*/
%type: Dependency rec Package

# Base and Other are pkgbases to blacklist.

# Other fields for issue reports:

# LibrePlanet is the fragment id of http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines

# Debian is the full bug URL

# gNewSense is the full bug URL to Savannah

# URL is an informative URL

Base: abiword
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends nonfree fonts

Base: abs
Replacement: abs-libre
Type: distro
Reason: have to change default rsync dir to abslibre

Base: abuse
Replacement: abuse-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains an unfree addon
gNewSense: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?33450

Base: abyssws

Base: acetoneiso2
Type: recommends
Reason: ask to download and install unfree poweriso

Base: aif
Replacement: aif-libre
Type: distro
Reason: pointed to an unfree abs, points to abslibre now

Base: alienarena
Type: depends
Dependency: alienarena-data

Base: alienarena-data
Type: nonfree
Reason: Some nonfree data (doesn't allow commercial redistribution).

Base: alsa-firmware
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue68

Base: amd-ucode
Type: nonfree
Reason: no modification, use restrictions

Base: angband
Type: nonfree
Reason: sounds are "freeware"

Base: apache-ant
Replacement: apache-ant-libre
Reason: Arch version was not built from source
Type: java-binary
ParabolaBugs: issue434

Base: aqua-data-studio

Base: arch-artwork
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: arch-firefox-search
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: arch-wiki-docs
Type: recommends
Reason: contains documentation recommending unfree software.

Base: arch-wiki-lite
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unfree software installation

Base: archboot
Type: depends
Dependency: isdn4k-utils

Base: archlinux-artwork
Type: branding

Base: archlinux-menus
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: archlinux-themes-kde
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: archlinux-themes-kdm
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: archlinux-themes-slim
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: archlinux-wallpaper
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: assaultcube
Type: nonfree

Base: asunder
Replacement: asunder-libre
Reason: wrapper for unfree codecs
Type: recommends

Base: atool
Replacement: atool-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unrar

Base: audacious-plugin
Replacement: audacious-plugins-libre
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue76
Reason: Multiple copyright problems make software non-redistributable as currently packaged

Base: aufs2
Replacement: aufs2-libre
Type: kernel-module
Reason: Fixed for uname 2.6.37-LIBRE

Base: b43-fwcutter

Base: bacula
Type: nonfree
gNewSense: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?34578

Base: bass
Type: nonfree
Reason: freeware

Base: bladeenc
Type: nonfree
Replacement: lame
Reason: based on non-free dist10 ISO source code

Base: blobwars
Type: nonfree
Reason: unclear licensing

Base: blobwars-data
Type: nonfree
Reason: unclear licensing

Base: bluez-firmware
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue67

Base: bogofilter
Replacement: bogofilter-libre
Type: nonfree
gNewSense: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?34593

Base: boinc
Type: nonfree
Reason: non-free files including and relating to api/texfont.{cpp,h} and possible other license issues

Base: boinc-nox
Type: nonfree
Reason: non-free files including and relating to api/texfont.{cpp,h} and possible other license issues

Base: calibre
Replacement: calibre-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: unrar
ParabolaBugs: issue256

Base: cdrkit
Replacement: cdrkit-libre
Reason: apple's license binding with no clarification
Type: nonfree

Base: chromium
Type: nonfree
Reason: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclear (2) Links to proprietary plugins.

Base: cinelerra-cv
Replacement: cinelera-cv-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: clementine
Type: recommends
Reason: asks to download an unfree plugin to support spotify
ParabolaBugs: issue354

Base: crafty

Base: cuda-toolkit
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue414

Base: cups
Replacement: cups-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: foomatic-db-nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue314

Base: d4x

Base: dangerdeep
Type: depends
Dependency: dangerdeep-data

Base: dangerdeep-data
Type: nonfree
Reason: non commercial license
ParabolaBugs: issue262

Base: darkice
Replacement: darkice-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: dina-font
Type: nonfree
Reason: using it for "for anything illegal" not allowed

Base: dosemu
Type: nonfree-build
Reason: contains free software that can only be built using nonfree software

Base: dwarffortress

Base: epdfview
Replacement: epdfview-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: has firefox in default config
ParabolaBugs: issue236

Base: faac
Type: nonfree
Reason: Is a gpl'ed package, but has non free code that it can't be distributed under GPL

Base: fcpci

Base: fcpcmcia

Base: figlet
Replacement: toilet

Base: file-roller
Replacement: file-roller-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unrar and unace installation

Base: filesystem
Replacement: filesystem
Type: branding

Base: firefox
Type: nonfree
Replacement: iceweasel-libre
Reason: trademark policy forbids selling; recommends nonfree addons

Base: firefox-adblock-plus
Type: depends
Dependency: firefox

Base: firefox-i18n
Type: depends
Dependency: firefox
Replacement: iceweasel-i18n

Base: firefox-noscript
Type: depends
Dependency: firefox

Base: firefox-spell-pt-br

Base: firefox-spell-ru

Base: flashplugin
Type: nonfree

Base: fmodex

Base: font-bh-ttf
Replacement: font-bh-ttf-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: non libre font
ReportedBy: borgo

Base: font-mathematica
Type: nonfree

Base: font-misc-meltho
Replacement: font-misc-meltho-libre
Type: nonfree
ReportedBy: borgo

Base: foomatic-db-nonfree
Type: nonfree

Base: foomatic-filters
Replacement: foomatic-filters-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains proprietary scripts

Base: fop
Type: nonfree
gNewSense: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?34579

Base: freepascal
Type: nonfree
Reason: includes proprietary code from silicon graphics

Base: frogatto
Type: depends
Dependency: frogatto-data

Base: frogatto-data
Type: nonfree

Base: ghostscript
Replacement: ghostscript-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: non free cmap files

Base: grub
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends ms windows on default menu.lst

Base: grub2
Replacement: grub2
Type: branding

Base: gsopcast

Base: gstreamer0.10-bad
Replacement: gstreamer0.10-bad-libre

Base: gstreamer0.10-bad-plugins
Replacement: gstreamer0.10-bad-plugins-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: handbrake
Type: depends
Dependency: faac
Reason: includes a faac module (needs handbrake-libre)
ParabolaBugs: issue332

Base: hardinfo
Replacement: hardinfo
Type: branding

Base: hplip
Replacement: hplip-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends binary blobs
ParabolaBugs: issue312

Base: hplip-plugin
Type: nonfree
Reason: binary blobs

Base: initscripts
Replacement: initscripts
Type: branding

Base: intel-ucode
Type: nonfree
Reason: no modification, use restrictions

Base: ipw2100-fw
Type: nonfree

Base: ipw2200-fw
Type: nonfree

Base: isdn4k-utils
Type: nonfree
Reason: lots of binary blobs and licensing issues
Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559425

Base: iwlwifi-1000-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: iwlwifi-3945-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: iwlwifi-4965-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: iwlwifi-5000-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: iwlwifi-5150-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: iwlwifi-6000-ucode
Type: nonfree

Base: java-batik
Type: nonfree
gNewSense: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?34579

Base: java-sun
Type: nonfree
Reason: jdk and jre pkgbase

Base: jdk

Base: jdk6
Type: nonfree

Base: jre

Base: jre6
Type: nonfree

Base: kdebase-konqueror
Replacement: kdebase-konqueror-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends nonfree plugins on about:home's specifications

Base: kdelibs
Replacement: kdelibs-libre
Type: recommends
ParabolaBugs: issue108

Base: kdenetwork
Replacement: kdenetwork-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: kdenetwork-kopete recommends Skype

Base: kdeutils-ark
Replacement: kdeutils-ark-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unrar

Base: kernel-headers
Replacement: linux-api-headers

Base: kernel26
Replacement: kernel26-libre
Reason: renamed to linux-libre

Base: kernel26-docs
Replacement: kernel26-libre-docs

Base: kernel26-firmware

Base: kernel26-headers
Replacement: kernel26-libre-headers

Base: kernel26-lts
Replacement: kernel26-libre-lts

Base: kernel26-lts-headers:kernel26-libre-lts-headers

Base: kernel26-manpages
Replacement: kernel26-libre-manpages

Base: kile
Replacement: kile-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends adobe acrobat
ParabolaBugs: issue310

Base: krusader
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends installation of nonfree archivers and Thunderbird
ParabolaBugs: issue217

Base: lame
Replacement: lame-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: license doesn't mention modification

Base: lesspipe
Replacement: lesspipe-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unrar

Base: lha

Base: lib32-libflashsupport

Base: libcl
Type: nonfree
Reason: http://licenses.parabolagnulinux.org/libcl/LICENSE

Base: libflashsupport

Base: libquicktime
Replacement: libquicktime-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: licenses
Type: useless
Replacement: licenses-libre
Reason: contains non copyleft friendly licenses

Base: liferea
Replacement: liferea-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: same sace as xchat, recommends unfree browsers

Base: linux
Replacement: linux-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: non-free blobs and firmwares

Base: linux-api-headers
Type: nonfree-source
Replacement: linux-libre-api-headers
Reason: has source containing and recommending nonfree software
ParabolaBugs: issue444

Base: linux-firmware
Type: nonfree

Base: linux-lts
Replacement: linux-libre-lts
Type: nonfree
Reason: blobs

Base: linux-manpages
Replacement: linux-libre-manpages
Type: nonfree-source
Reason: manpages comes from non-free linux kernel

Base: linux-tools
Replacement: linux-libre-tools
Type: nonfree-source
Reason: source contains non-free linux kernel.

Base: linux_logo
Type: branding
Reason: contains tux text-based logo for kernel

Base: lsb-release
Replacement: lsb-release-libre
Type: branding
Reason: names the distro "Arch Linux"
ParabolaBugs: issue266

Base: mac
Type: nonfree
Reason: Monkey's Audio Source Code License Agreement, changes must be contributed back

Base: madwifi
Type: useless
Reason: only useful with nonfree software

Base: madwifi-utils
Type: useless
Reason: only useful with nonfree software

Base: martian

Base: martian-utils

Base: mencoder
Replacement: mencoder-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: mesa-demos
Other: lib32-mesa-demos
Replacement: mesa-demos-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains unfree files
LibrePlanet: mesademos

Base: microcode_ctl
Type: useless

Base: mod_fastcgi

Base: monaco-linux-font

Base: moonlight
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends non-free software (Microsoft Media Pack)

Base: mp32ogg
Type: nonfree
Reason: Artistic License 1.0

Base: mplayer
Replacement: mplayer-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: mplayer-vaapi
Replacement: mplayer-vaapi-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: mupen64plus
Reason: has only non-free roms and non-free dev tools available
Type: nonfree-build
URL: https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Emulator_licensing_issues

Base: ndiswrapper
Type: useless

Base: ndiswrapper-lts
Type: useless

Base: ndiswrapper-utils
Type: useless

Base: netperf
Type: nonfree
Reason: license forbids commercial redistribution

Base: nltk
Replacement: nltk-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: contains a method for downloading unfree corpora. it can be patched, please do!

Base: nltk-data
Replacement: nltk-data-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains unfree corpora. we'll have to remove those.

Base: nouveau-drm-lts
Type: depends
Dependency: nouveau-firmware

Base: nouveau-firmware
Type: nonfree

Base: nppangband
Type: nonfree
Reason: forbids commercial redistribution
ParabolaBugs: issue118

Base: nvidia
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-173xx
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-173xx-utils
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-96xx
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-96xx-utils
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-cg-toolkit
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-lts
Type: nonfree

Base: nvidia-utils
Other: lib32-nvidia-utils

Base: nxclient

Base: ogre
Type: depends
Dependency: nvidia-cg-toolkit
ParabolaBugs: issue199

Base: opencl-nvidia
Type: nonfree

Base: openoffice-i18n
Replacement: libreoffice-i18n
Type: depends
Dependency: openoffice

Base: openttd-opensfx

Base: opera
Type: nonfree

Base: p7zip
Replacement: p7zip-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains unrar

Base: pacman
Replacement: pacman
Type: distro
Reason: needs to be repackaged to add [libre] repo

Base: pacman-mirrorlist
Replacement: pacman-mirrorlist-libre
Type: distro
Reason: points to mirrors containing unfree packages

Base: paintown
Type: nonfree
Reason: Some nonfree data.

Base: pcsxr
Type: nonfree-build
Reason: has only non-free roms and non-free dev tools available
URL: https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Emulator_licensing_issues

Base: povray

Base: poweriso
Type: nonfree

Base: profont
Type: nonfree
Reason: unknown license

Base: psutils
Replacement: psutils-libre

Base: pypy

Base: python-reportlab
Replacement: python-reportlab-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: setup.py downloads adobe t1 fonts without license
ReportedBy: borgo

Base: python2
Replacement: python2-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: profile and pstats modules only allow modification inside the python package

Base: python2-pycuda
Type: depends
Dependency: cuda-toolkit

Base: qingy-theme-arch

Base: qstat

Base: r8168
Type: nonfree

Base: rp-pppoe
Replacement: rp-pppoe-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: includes a nonfree software advertisement

Base: rt2870usb-fw
Type: nonfree

Base: rt2x00-rt61-fw
Type: nonfree

Base: rt2x00-rt71w-fw
Type: nonfree

Base: rt3562sta
Type: nonfree

Base: sane-gt68xx-firmware
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue75

Base: sauerbraten
Type: depends
Dependency: sauerbraten-data

Base: sauerbraten-data
Type: nonfree
Reason: CC-NC data
ParabolaBugs: issue336

Base: screenlets
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue115

Base: sdl
Replacement: sdl-libre
Reason: license doesn't mention modification
Type: nonfree

Base: sdlmame

Base: seamonkey
Replacement: seamonkey-libre
Type: recommends
ParabolaBugs: issue66
Reason: points to the unfree addon site

Base: sfarkxtc

Base: skype
Type: nonfree

Base: skype-call-recorder
Type: useless
Reason: only useful with skype installed

Base: skype-oss
Type: nonfree

Base: skype-staticqt
Type: nonfree

Base: slim-themes
Type: nonfree
Reason: copyrighted themes

Base: slmodem

Base: snes9x

Base: snes9x-gtk
Replacement: snes9x-gtk-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: sopcast
Type: nonfree
Reason: forbids commercial use

Base: speedtouch
Type: useless
Reason: needs unfound possibly nonfree firmware
ParabolaBugs: issue168

Base: spring-kp
Type: nonfree
Reason: noncommercial, unknown and unknown public domain

Base: sqlite3
Type: nonfree
Reason: "Portions of the documentation and some code used as part of the build process might fall under other licenses. The details here are unclear. We do not worry about the licensing of the documentation and build code so much because none of these things are part of the core deliverable SQLite library."

Base: syslog-ng
Type: nonfree
Reason: man pages are cc-nc-nd
ParabolaBugs: issue292

Base: tarsnap

Base: texlive-bin
Replacement: texlive-bin-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: includes biber not built from source
Issue: https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/87

Base: texlive-core
Replacement: texlive-core-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: texlive-fontsextra
Replacement: texlive-fontsextra-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: texlive-latexextra
Replacement: texlive-latexextra-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: thunderbird
Replacement: thunderbird-libre
ParabolaBugs: issue66
Type: nonfree
Reason: trademark policy forbids selling; recommends nonfree addons

Base: tiacx
Type: depends
Dependency: tiacx-firmware

Base: tiacx-firmware
Type: nonfree
ParabolaBugs: issue74

Base: tiacx-lts
Type: depends
Dependency: tiacx-firmware

Base: ttf-hannom

Base: ttf-ms-fonts

Base: ttf-thai
Replacement: ttf-thai-libre

Base: ufoai
Type: depends
Dependency: ufoai-data

Base: ufoai-data
Type: nonfree
Reason: Some nonfree data (CC Sampling+)

Base: unace
Replacement: unace-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: unarj
Type: nonfree
Replacement: arj

Base: unetbootin
Type: recommends
Reason: "It lists many non-fsdg operating systems. Remove or change the list of distros available. FUSBi is a fork which does so. "

Base: unrar
Type: nonfree
Replacement: ununrar

Base: unzip
Replacement: unzip-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains a source file that doesn't mention modification

Base: urbanterror
Reason: GPL2, pero solo puede usarse con data privativa.

Base: urbanterror-data
Reason: Privativa, solo permite distribucion con el juego.

Base: vbaexpress
Type: nonfree
Reason: see visualboyadvance

Base: virtualbox
Replacement: virtualbox-libre
Type: nonfree
Reason: has unfree user manual, adapted to non-free linux kernel and virtualbox-archlinux-{additions,modules}

Base: virtualbox-additions
Type: nonfree

Base: virtualbox-additions-modules
Type: nonfree

Base: virtualbox-archlinux-additions
Replacement: virtualbox-parabola-additions
Type: branding

Base: virtualbox-archlinux-modules
Replacement: virtualbox-parabola-modules
Type: kernel-module
Reason: needed to build modules for linux-libre

Base: virtualbox-modules
Replacement: virtualbox-modules
Type: kernel-module
Reason: adapted to non-free linux kernel and virtualbox-archlinux-modules

Base: virtualbox-sdk
Replacement: virtualbox-sdk
Type: nonfree
Reason: part of the non-free virtualbox group

Base: virtualbox-source
Replacement: virtualbox-source
Type: nonfree
Reason: part of the non-free virtualbox group and adapted to non-free linux kernels

Base: visualboyadvance
Type: nonfree
Reason: contains a non-free file
Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607598

Base: warsow-data
Type: nonfree

Base: winetricks
Type: recommends
ParabolaBugs: issue116

Base: xarchiver
Replacement: xarchiver-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: recommends unrar

Base: xbmc
Replacement: xbmc-libre
Type: depends
Dependency: faac

Base: xchat
Replacement: xchat-libre
Type: recommends
Reason: Refers to a non-free browser in its URL handlers.

Base: xdm-archlinux
Type: branding
ParabolaBugs: issue46

Base: xf86-input-vmmouse
Type: useless
Reason: only useful with vmware
ReportedBy: henry jensen

Base: xf86-video-vmware
Type: useless
Reason: only useful with vmware
ReportedBy: henry jensen

Base: xorg-fonts-100dpi
Replacement: xorg-fonts-100dpi
Type: nonfree

Base: xorg-fonts-75dpi
Replacement: xorg-fonts-75dpi-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: xorg-fonts-type1
Replacement: xorg-fonts-type1-libre
Type: nonfree

Base: xorg-xlsfonts
Type: nonfree
Reason: unclear license status

Base: xpdf-chinese-simplified

Base: xpdf-chinese-traditional

Base: xpdf-japanese

Base: xpdf-korean

Base: xsnow

Base: xv

Base: zd1211-firmware
Reason: Libre, pero los drivers son propietarios y no est?n incluidos en linux-libre
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sun Apr 22 12:57:19 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:57:19 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
Message-ID: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>


Here is a suggestion to have our own free pastebin for Parabola.
This can help to enlarge and keep solutions on trouble relative to
Parabola.

https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paster/0.7

This one works with django and is gplv3

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr 22 14:38:23 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:38:23 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:57:19 +0200")
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87lilnesrk.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Here is a suggestion to have our own free pastebin for Parabola.
> This can help to enlarge and keep solutions on trouble relative to
> Parabola.

Does any of many pastebin clients included in our repos work with free
server-side software?

If we want to host a pastebin, do we really need one?  labs.parabola.nu
accepts text in issue descriptions and notes, and supports file
attachments for e.g. whole build or X logs.  We could more clearly state
that it can be used for support questions.

(Please report bugs if you consider using labs.parabola.nu difficult or
if you know what changes to make to improve it.)
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr 22 16:31:31 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87sjfv7nd8.fsf@bob.domain.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Aur=C3=A9lien?=
 =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:16:51 +0200")
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87lilnesrk.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <87sjfv7nd8.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87hawbenj0.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>

Isn't <# part sign=pgpmime> (without the space) more useful in this
case?

> The labs should need registration, it's a solution for our unregistered
> user.

"Should need" as in "would have too much spam otherwise"?

OpenID makes this easier, had at least one bug which is already fixed.

We have bad permissions configured, so e.g. users cannot reply to their
own issues, this should be changed.

> The one i've suggested ... was just a solution suggestion because we use
> django.

We also use Python CGI, Rails, PHP and some other things.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr 22 17:11:22 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:11:22 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <1335113549.1789.2.camel@abril.local> (Jorge Araya Navarro's
 message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:52:29 -0600")
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87lilnesrk.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <1335113549.1789.2.camel@abril.local>
Message-ID: <87aa23elol.fsf@mtjm.eu>

Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> writes:

>     If we want to host a pastebin, do we really need one?
>     
>     
> Yes, sometimes is usefull to do somecommandwithabug | parapaste, and
> finally gives a url like paste.parabola.nu/12345
> no?

"somecommandwithabug" suggests it being a bug in the program.  We had
many bugs mentioned on #parabola, forgotten and unfixed.

Why it's more useful than "somecommandwithabug >
somecommandwithabug.out" and attaching the file to an issue report?  We
can write a script to automate this.
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sun Apr 22 17:35:31 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:35:31 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola]
Message-ID: <1335116131.2251.1.camel@abril.local>

> If we want to host a pastebin, do we really need one?


Yes, sometimes is usefull to do somecommandwithabug | parapaste, and
finally gives a url like paste.parabola.nu/12345
no?


-- 

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Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
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Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
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From cer at parlementum.net  Sun Apr 22 18:39:53 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:39:53 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <20120422183953.GA27363@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>



I like this idea, we can add it to parabola.nu.

Better than cluttering up the issue tracker when we are just discussing things.



On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 02:57:19PM +0200, Aurelien wrote:
> 
> Here is a suggestion to have our own free pastebin for Parabola.
> This can help to enlarge and keep solutions on trouble relative to
> Parabola.
> 
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paster/0.7
> 
> This one works with django and is gplv3
> 
> -- 
> Aurelien - Animateur P at m-Sarte
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Sun Apr 22 19:29:39 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:29:39 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <20120422183953.GA27363@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> (Charles
 Roth's message of "Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:39:53 -0700")
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>
 <20120422183953.GA27363@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8762crefa4.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I like this idea, we can add it to parabola.nu.

I can help, if we decide what to install there.

> Better than cluttering up the issue tracker when we are just discussing things.

Traditionally links to pastebins are not used when discussing things on
mailing lists, such discussions are useful in future when a pastebin
might break or it removes old pastes.

Since we don't know exactly what tool to use, what technical
requirements do we have?
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From cer at parlementum.net  Sun Apr 22 19:45:53 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:45:53 -0700
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <8762crefa4.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org>
 <20120422183953.GA27363@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>
 <8762crefa4.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20120422194553.GB27363@gramarye.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

I'm referring to the frequent discussions in IRC.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 09:29:39PM +0200, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
> > I like this idea, we can add it to parabola.nu.
> 
> I can help, if we decide what to install there.
> 
> > Better than cluttering up the issue tracker when we are just discussing things.
> 
> Traditionally links to pastebins are not used when discussing things on
> mailing lists, such discussions are useful in future when a pastebin
> might break or it removes old pastes.
> 
> Since we don't know exactly what tool to use, what technical
> requirements do we have?



> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


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General Editor of The Encyclomundi Wiki
Email: cer at parlementum.net
Microblog: http://parlementum.net/parlementum
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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Mon Apr 23 17:49:55 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:49:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] mariadb archlinux version is on blacklist...
Message-ID: <4F959643.4030606@adinet.com.uy>

mariadb archlinux version decided doesn't includes "libmariadbclient"
and "mariadb-clients", very stupid in my opinion, because mariadb has
the same source code base than mysql.
What is the logic to use mariadb if this package uses "mysqlclient" and
"mysql-clients"?
For that, in this case it is better to continue using mysql as it
contains the complete kit. it's not a true alternative.
I tested with all programs, and doesn't problem with them.
So, I consider incomplete and poor package to use on our distro and
added to blacklist until that the mariadb archlinux version will include
"libmariadbclient" and "mariadb-clients".

Here is bug report related about it.

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/29563

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Apr 23 18:06:50 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:06:50 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [Maintenance] mp3 codec in mplayer
In-Reply-To: <20120423172030.GA2884@B1> (Florian Kellmer's message of "Mon, 23
 Apr 2012 19:20:31 +0200")
References: <20120423172030.GA2884@B1>
Message-ID: <87ipgqiapx.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I don't know if this is the right mailinglist, so if I'am wrong, pleas let me
> know.

Use the dev list; maintenance is mainly not for human-written posts and
has less subscribers who can answer your questions.

> AFAIK is mp3 a nonfree codec, isn't it?

MP3 is a specification, so it cannot be free or nonfree software.  LAME
is a free software implementation of MP3, so it's ok.  MP3 is patented,
we don't remove it for this reason since software patents aren't valid
in most non-USA jurisdictions and most complex programs could use
patented techniques.  Most decisions on inclusion or not of software
From Arch in Parabola are based on the FSDG, it doesn't require removing
software infringing patents for similar reasons?[0].

[0] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#patents
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 24 00:05:13 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:05:13 -0300
Subject: [Dev] (FINAL RESULT) Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages
	on determinate repo
In-Reply-To: <4F8F40B0.1090301@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <4F8F40B0.1090301@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <87y5pmhu4m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:31:12 -0300, Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> wrote:
> The final result was that artistic repo won the votation! So if you want
> to have this repo, you must to add it on your pacman.conf. if you have
> libre artistics packages, please add it on that repo.

make a news post on the main page!

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 24 00:13:47 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:13:47 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement the blacklist
In-Reply-To: <87sjfz78ab.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87sjfz78ab.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87vckqhtqc.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:53:32 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> The blacklist.txt file we currently use has these problems:
> [...]
> For these reasons I propose replacing it with a recfile?[0] having a
> record for each pkgbase building packages to blacklist, with
> machine-readable fields explaining why it's blacklisted and linking to
> upstream reports.

+1 if it includes a conversion script to the current blacklist.txt so
dbscripts and other don't need to be immediately rewritten.

it could also be brought to the gnu-linux-libre list so we have a common
blacklist. an OtherNames field can be put up if the package name
changes.

also a Version field, since some versions listed on the FSDG list were
already upgraded on parabola

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Apr 24 00:18:37 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:18:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87aa23elol.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87lilnesrk.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <1335113549.1789.2.camel@abril.local> <87aa23elol.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <87sjfuhtia.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:11:22 +0200, mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) wrote:
> Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> writes:
> 
> >     If we want to host a pastebin, do we really need one?
> >     
> >     
> > Yes, sometimes is usefull to do somecommandwithabug | parapaste, and
> > finally gives a url like paste.parabola.nu/12345
> > no?
> 
> "somecommandwithabug" suggests it being a bug in the program.  We had
> many bugs mentioned on #parabola, forgotten and unfixed.
> 
> Why it's more useful than "somecommandwithabug >
> somecommandwithabug.out" and attaching the file to an issue report?  We
> can write a script to automate this.

yes a cli bug reporter would be awesome. also if we need a pastebin for
other stuff we could make a list of free source + publicly available
ones to recommend.

there's one that's supposed to be completely secure, written in php that
was around on identi.ca last week, can't recall it's name...

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 24 02:33:01 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:33:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] (FINAL RESULT) Votation to put yafaray and aqsis packages
 on determinate repo
In-Reply-To: <87y5pmhu4m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <4F8E4A80.8000502@adinet.com.uy> <4F8F40B0.1090301@adinet.com.uy>
 <87y5pmhu4m.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F9610DD.6060705@adinet.com.uy>

Em 23-04-2012 21:05, Nicol?s Reynolds escreveu:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:31:12 -0300, Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> wrote:
>> The final result was that artistic repo won the votation! So if you want
>> to have this repo, you must to add it on your pacman.conf. if you have
>> libre artistics packages, please add it on that repo.
> make a news post on the main page!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
 I never posted a news on main page, how to do it?
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Apr 24 10:46:24 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:46:24 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [RFC] Redesign and reimplement the blacklist
In-Reply-To: <87vckqhtqc.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:13:47 -0300")
References: <87sjfz78ab.fsf@mtjm.eu> <87vckqhtqc.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87397tif0f.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> +1 if it includes a conversion script to the current blacklist.txt so
> dbscripts and other don't need to be immediately rewritten.

It can be easily written, using abs to get names of packages built from
each source.

> it could also be brought to the gnu-linux-libre list so we have a common
> blacklist. an OtherNames field can be put up if the package name
> changes.

A script could export it to wikitext using
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Template:Package.

Some difficulties with using the same blacklist for multiple distros are
that the ones known to me use different ways of replacing packages, get
some problems fixed in upstream distros and use different package
versions.

> also a Version field, since some versions listed on the FSDG list were
> already upgraded on parabola

Noticed this after posting here.  It should clear state that it's the
last version where this was checked, not e.g. the first one.
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Apr 24 10:52:56 2012
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:52:56 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Our own gplv3 pastebin tool on Parabola
In-Reply-To: <87sjfuhtia.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:18:37 -0300")
References: <87zka37wls.fsf@bob.domain.org> <87lilnesrk.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <1335113549.1789.2.camel@abril.local> <87aa23elol.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <87sjfuhtia.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87y5plh053.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> yes a cli bug reporter would be awesome. also if we need a pastebin for
> other stuff we could make a list of free source + publicly available
> ones to recommend.

A comparison of free ones with links to public instances of them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_pastebins lists some
possibly useful ones, we need a differently organized list.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Apr 25 16:06:38 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:06:38 -0300
Subject: [Dev] parabolaweb.eu mirror broken extra.db?
Message-ID: <87mx5zeqy9.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


aloniv reports on irc that extra.db from parabolaweb.eu is
corrupted ;)

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Apr 25 18:15:06 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:15:06 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Bug-gnuzilla] New GNUzilla and IceCat maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4F983B34.2050403@gnu.org>
References: <4F983B34.2050403@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <8762cnel05.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>


congrats! \o/

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:58:12 -0400, "Loic J. Duros" <lduros at gnu.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have just been made maintainer of IceCat and GNUzilla. Thanks to 
> Giuseppe Scrivano for all his work in the past and how far he took the 
> project. I have contacted him aside and I hope we'll be able to discuss 
> how IceCat has been run until now, and the direction towards which the 
> project will go in the future.
> 
> As you may already know, our plans for IceCat are big, starting with an 
> improved privacy extension and the detection of nonfree nontrivial 
> JavaScript. GNU LibreJS detects nonfree nontrivial JavaScript and will 
> be enabled by default in IceCat after a few interactions with the 
> extensions currently used by IceCat are addressed.
> 
> We will also need an add-on list that is more up to date and easily 
> searchable. One idea was to use the AMO API to find which add-ons have a 
> free license to get an up-to-date list of add-ons that could potentially 
> make it to the IceCat add-on list. Some of you on the list have already 
> shown some interest to work on this (Thanks Leonardo!). As Jason Self 
> suggested, we could then use such tools as Fossology to ensure all the 
> extension code is effectively under a free license, and automate as much 
> as possible, the ongoing maintenance work that the IceCat add-on manager 
> requires.
> 
> The initial release of IceCat 12 might take a little longer since there 
> is a lot to work on, but I expect subsequent versions will regularly 
> become available shortly after Mozilla publishes new versions of its 
> browser.
> 
> Thanks, and I'm looking forward to getting the next release up.
> 
> Loic
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 

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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Wed Apr 25 18:22:20 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:22:20 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [Bug-gnuzilla] New GNUzilla and IceCat maintainer
In-Reply-To: <8762cnel05.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <4F983B34.2050403@gnu.org> <8762cnel05.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <4F9840DC.1020908@adinet.com.uy>

Em 25-04-2012 15:15, Nicol?s Reynolds escreveu:
> congrats! \o/
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:58:12 -0400, "Loic J. Duros" <lduros at gnu.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have just been made maintainer of IceCat and GNUzilla. Thanks to 
>> Giuseppe Scrivano for all his work in the past and how far he took the 
>> project. I have contacted him aside and I hope we'll be able to discuss 
>> how IceCat has been run until now, and the direction towards which the 
>> project will go in the future.
>>
>> As you may already know, our plans for IceCat are big, starting with an 
>> improved privacy extension and the detection of nonfree nontrivial 
>> JavaScript. GNU LibreJS detects nonfree nontrivial JavaScript and will 
>> be enabled by default in IceCat after a few interactions with the 
>> extensions currently used by IceCat are addressed.
>>
>> We will also need an add-on list that is more up to date and easily 
>> searchable. One idea was to use the AMO API to find which add-ons have a 
>> free license to get an up-to-date list of add-ons that could potentially 
>> make it to the IceCat add-on list. Some of you on the list have already 
>> shown some interest to work on this (Thanks Leonardo!). As Jason Self 
>> suggested, we could then use such tools as Fossology to ensure all the 
>> extension code is effectively under a free license, and automate as much 
>> as possible, the ongoing maintenance work that the IceCat add-on manager 
>> requires.
>>
>> The initial release of IceCat 12 might take a little longer since there 
>> is a lot to work on, but I expect subsequent versions will regularly 
>> become available shortly after Mozilla publishes new versions of its 
>> browser.
>>
>> Thanks, and I'm looking forward to getting the next release up.
>>
>> Loic
>>
>> --
>> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>>
>
>
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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Wed Apr 25 20:49:39 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:49:39 +0200
Subject: [Dev] [Bug-gnuzilla] New GNUzilla and IceCat maintainer
In-Reply-To: <4F9840DC.1020908@adinet.com.uy> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?=
 Silva"'s message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:22:20 -0300")
References: <4F983B34.2050403@gnu.org> <8762cnel05.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <4F9840DC.1020908@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <87d36v5yfw.fsf@bob.domain.org>

Andr? Silva <andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy> writes:

> Em 25-04-2012 15:15, Nicol?s Reynolds escreveu:
>
>     congrats! \o/
>     
>     On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:58:12 -0400, "Loic J. Duros" <lduros at gnu.org> wrote:
>     
>         Hi,
>         
>         I have just been made maintainer of IceCat and GNUzilla. Thanks to 
>         Giuseppe Scrivano for all his work in the past and how far he took the 
>         project. I have contacted him aside and I hope we'll be able to discuss 
>         how IceCat has been run until now, and the direction towards which the 
>         project will go in the future.
>         
>         As you may already know, our plans for IceCat are big, starting with an 
>         improved privacy extension and the detection of nonfree nontrivial 
>         JavaScript. GNU LibreJS detects nonfree nontrivial JavaScript and will 
>         be enabled by default in IceCat after a few interactions with the 
>         extensions currently used by IceCat are addressed.
>         
>         We will also need an add-on list that is more up to date and easily 
>         searchable. One idea was to use the AMO API to find which add-ons have a 
>         free license to get an up-to-date list of add-ons that could potentially 
>         make it to the IceCat add-on list. Some of you on the list have already 
>         shown some interest to work on this (Thanks Leonardo!). As Jason Self 
>         suggested, we could then use such tools as Fossology to ensure all the 
>         extension code is effectively under a free license, and automate as much 
>         as possible, the ongoing maintenance work that the IceCat add-on manager 
>         requires.
>         
>         The initial release of IceCat 12 might take a little longer since there 
>         is a lot to work on, but I expect subsequent versions will regularly 
>         become available shortly after Mozilla publishes new versions of its 
>         browser.
>         
>         Thanks, and I'm looking forward to getting the next release up.
>         
>         Loic
>         
>         --
>         http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Dev mailing list
>     Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>     https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
> congratulations lol
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
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Congrtulations!

-- 
Aurelien Desbrieres

From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 26 11:52:25 2012
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:52:25 +0200
Subject: [Dev] parabolaweb.eu mirror broken extra.db?
In-Reply-To: <87d36vep0p.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87mx5zeqy9.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <4F982281.1000707@googlemail.com>
 <87d36vep0p.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <CAExEt2++6v7Nw5TkYdx_0mY4c-zW6-3ygk8tptwcM02X=+qu0g@mail.gmail.com>

2012/4/25, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:12:49 +0200, Johannes Krampf
> <johannes.krampf at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 04/25/2012 06:06 PM, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>> >
>> > aloniv reports on irc that extra.db from parabolaweb.eu is
>> > corrupted ;)
>>
>> Which architecture and when? (at 5am/pm UTC is a new sync)
>>
>
> x86_64 less than an hour ago

Sorry about this. When I did an update on my 64bit machine this
morning, it ran fine, so it should be fixed. I didn't have much time
to look for reasons of the corruption and I don't know what caused
this.

You can find the script I used for synching at
https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/?p=mirror.git;a=blob;f=sync.py;h=c7d03ea600935f98ca5aecf6f02db9b3cbf766db;hb=HEAD
. Does any of you spot the possible bug?

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Apr 27 23:57:53 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:57:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
Message-ID: <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

hey, thanks for writing! but parabola not being functional is not true,
it has always been (though we break things from time to time for fun(!))

pass by our irc channel, we are very friendly ;)

#parabola on irc.freenode.net

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:37:01 +0000, "Arch Linux Forums Mailer" <nobody at archlinux.org> wrote:
> vegan from Arch Linux Forums has sent you a message. You can reply to vegan by replying to this email.
> 
> The message reads as follows:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello,
> 
>        I'm a new user to Arch and I read your entry in one of the forums on being a Parabola developer. I find the Arch forums an interesting place. I hear that Parabola is not fully developed into a whole OS, but is in the process of becoming one. Do you think there would be anything to gain by setting up a Parabola forum, separate from the Arch one? Getting people talking about it in an environment for free sofware sound like a wonderful thing to me, since so many of the Arch users were only interested in technical stuff and convenience, rather than in our freedom.
> 
>        I was watching an interview with Richard Stallman on youtube. Have you ever heard of the Linux Action Show? It was on that. It was so neat to hear the guy being 100% honest, even if he knew that it would offend somebody. I find that kind of behavior so refreshing. I try to be honest with people, myself, whenever I can.
> 
>       If one were made, hopefully it wouldn't need a whole lot of categories. It could just be simple. Thank you for listening.
> 
> Louis
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> --
> Arch Linux Forums Mailer
> 

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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sat Apr 28 00:23:53 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:23:53 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
 <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local>

Parabola "Linux"?
So, RMS uses Windows 8 :yaoming:

:-/
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From cer at parlementum.net  Sat Apr 28 02:12:22 2012
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Dev] This is too bad - GhostBSD
Message-ID: <20120427191222.11ad8c2e@parlementum.net>

Maybe we can bring him over to Parabola GNU

http://yeow.com.ar/2012/04/thanks-and-goodbye-ghostbsd.html

--
Charles Roth
cer at parlementum.net
via Lemote Yeeloong

From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sat Apr 28 05:24:46 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:24:46 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local> (Jorge Araya Navarro's
 message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:23:53 -0600")
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
 <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local>
Message-ID: <87bomc77j5.fsf@bob.domain.org>

Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> writes:

> Parabola "Linux"?
> So, RMS uses Windows 8 :yaoming:
>
> :-/
> --                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                          
> Jorge Araya Navarro                                                                                                                      
> Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.                                                                          
> Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.                                                                                                           
> http://swt.encyclomundi.net                                                                                                              
> Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra                                                                                                    
> identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet                                                                                                  
> Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org                                                                                                             
> Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.                                                                               
> el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,                                                                  
> te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte,                                                                                             
> ??despierta ahora!!:                                                                                                                     
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html                                                                                             
> http://replicant.us/about/                                                                                                               
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
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Hi,

I use Parabola GNU / Linux-Libre from ~ 2010 personnaly.
 ~ 2011 professionnaly as operating system
 ~ 2012 professionnaly as server

it's right that the testing have sometimes troubles, but it's "TESTING"

No trouble with the "Normal" one from ~ 1 year.

Personnaly i appreciate this distro not only because it's a rolling
release, but because what i am doing today, will continue to exist
tomorrow as free as in Freedom ;-D

Not like the risk which represent open source to receive one day because
of the "Wall Street Games" a pain in the ass in the morning. 

Have fun & be free!

-- 
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http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
Free Software & Zen Minimalism Hactivist
Fight for your freedom rights! Join FSF.org
Fully Free Operating System at GNU.org

From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sat Apr 28 05:38:26 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:38:26 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAFoJNQq50AxEThuaV9wmLz=TZOUK0U8JngK=SwWT2T2gt6j7oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
 <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local>
 <CAFoJNQq50AxEThuaV9wmLz=TZOUK0U8JngK=SwWT2T2gt6j7oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1335591506.2508.0.camel@abril.local>



> Hi Nicolas, 
> 
>      I got two messages connected, with someone named Jorge Araya. I'm
> not used to using IRC chatrooms. Is there another way to connect to
> other free software users? By the way, I'm 39. How old are you? I
> think of chatrooms as being for teenagers. 
> 
> Louis

It's me, you reply directly to me and not to the Parabola
GNU/Linux-libre's Dev list!
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From jorgean at lavabit.com  Sat Apr 28 05:39:45 2012
From: jorgean at lavabit.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:39:45 -0600
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <87bomc77j5.fsf@bob.domain.org>
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
 <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local>
 <87bomc77j5.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <1335591585.2508.1.camel@abril.local>



> Hi,
> 
> I use Parabola GNU / Linux-Libre from ~ 2010 personnaly.
>  ~ 2011 professionnaly as operating system
>  ~ 2012 professionnaly as server
> 
> it's right that the testing have sometimes troubles, but it's
> "TESTING"
> 
> No trouble with the "Normal" one from ~ 1 year.
> 
> Personnaly i appreciate this distro not only because it's a rolling
> release, but because what i am doing today, will continue to exist
> tomorrow as free as in Freedom ;-D
> 
> Not like the risk which represent open source to receive one day
> because
> of the "Wall Street Games" a pain in the ass in the morning. 
> 
> Have fun & be free!

And I'm running it as a server since... one month ago! xD
-- 

Jorge Araya Navarro
Universitario, idealista y pseudo-activista del Software Libre.
Siquirres, Lim?n, Costa Rica.
http://swt.encyclomundi.net
Diaspora*: http://diasp.org/u/shackra
identi.ca: http://parlementum.net/sweet
Jabber: shackra at jabberes.org
Skype: ?De ninguna manera, tras de privativo, te esp?an!.
el software privativo en GNU/Linux, al igual que en Windows o en MacOs,
te hace un ser no-libre. Deja de enga?arte, 
??despierta ahora!!:
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
http://replicant.us/about/
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Apr 28 16:53:07 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:53:07 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <878vhfbxxo.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
> to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
> require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
> approach, but it still had some degree of security...

I'm working on it right now, please wait an hour before working on
the git repos again

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Apr 28 17:01:54 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:01:54 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola Linux
In-Reply-To: <1335591506.2508.0.camel@abril.local>
References: <20120427203701.C752A20150@alderaan.archlinux.org>
 <87pqasbuda.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <1335572633.10635.4.camel@abril.local>
 <CAFoJNQq50AxEThuaV9wmLz=TZOUK0U8JngK=SwWT2T2gt6j7oQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1335591506.2508.0.camel@abril.local>
Message-ID: <8762cjbxj1.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:38:26 -0600, Jorge Araya Navarro <jorgean at lavabit.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hi Nicolas, 
> > 
> >      I got two messages connected, with someone named Jorge Araya. I'm
> > not used to using IRC chatrooms. Is there another way to connect to
> > other free software users? By the way, I'm 39. How old are you? I
> > think of chatrooms as being for teenagers. 
> > 
> > Louis
> 
> It's me, you reply directly to me and not to the Parabola
> GNU/Linux-libre's Dev list!

Louis, sorry if we spammed you, but as you see we're alive and kicking!

IRC channels are where most people hang around and where most of the
stuff happens, and we're no teens.

There're going to be Parabola forums soon ;)

-- 
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sat Apr 28 18:57:57 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:57:57 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <87zk9vadl6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
> So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
> to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
> require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
> approach, but it still had some degree of security...

Everything should be in place now, I've changed the post-receive hook on
hackers.git to actually pull the repo history instead of forcing a
checkout (leaving changes untracked under .ssh).

I also changed cgit to automatically load repos from /srv/git (it also
finds them on subdirs). It may be heavier so I'll enable caching on
nginx side later. Project description should be put on the
repo.git/description file.

Everything should work as expected now, if you get messages like this:

fatal: '/abslibre-mips64el.git' does not appear to be a git repository

Edit .git/config and add '/srv/git' before '/repo.git' because the
ssh:// URI now requires the full repo path (if you know how to fix this
please tell me).

Check projects.parabolagnulinux.org clone URL if you're unsure.

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From gnu.tek at gmx.com  Sat Apr 28 21:30:14 2012
From: gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:30:14 +0200
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <87zk9vadl6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:57:57 -0300")
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87zk9vadl6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
Message-ID: <877gwz7deh.fsf@bob.domain.org>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:58:33 -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> wrote:
>> So I did a test to replace gitosis on the server, to allow push access
>> to our git repos[0]. The idea was to find a simpler way that doesn't
>> require the granularity gitosis allows, that IMO hurts our horizontal
>> approach, but it still had some degree of security...
>
> Everything should be in place now, I've changed the post-receive hook on
> hackers.git to actually pull the repo history instead of forcing a
> checkout (leaving changes untracked under .ssh).
>
> I also changed cgit to automatically load repos from /srv/git (it also
> finds them on subdirs). It may be heavier so I'll enable caching on
> nginx side later. Project description should be put on the
> repo.git/description file.
>
> Everything should work as expected now, if you get messages like this:
>
> fatal: '/abslibre-mips64el.git' does not appear to be a git repository
>
> Edit .git/config and add '/srv/git' before '/repo.git' because the
> ssh:// URI now requires the full repo path (if you know how to fix this
> please tell me).
>
> Check projects.parabolagnulinux.org clone URL if you're unsure.


here is the one i have maybe it can help ...

url = ssh://git at parabolagnulinux.org:1863/abslibre.git


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Apr 29 01:56:45 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:56:45 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Replacing gitosis with git-shell
In-Reply-To: <877gwz7deh.fsf@bob.domain.org>
References: <87wr5ofdau.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar> <87zk9vadl6.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>
 <877gwz7deh.fsf@bob.domain.org>
Message-ID: <87ty039u75.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:30:14 +0200, gnu.tek at gmx.com (=?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?=) wrote:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
> > Edit .git/config and add '/srv/git' before '/repo.git' because the
> > ssh:// URI now requires the full repo path (if you know how to fix this
> > please tell me).
> >
> > Check projects.parabolagnulinux.org clone URL if you're unsure.
> 
> 
> here is the one i have maybe it can help ...
> 
> url = ssh://git at parabolagnulinux.org:1863/abslibre.git

change it to

url = ssh://git at parabolagnulinux.org:1863/srv/git/abslibre.git

-- 
libertad!
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From craziness at sethradio.com  Sun Apr 29 19:48:30 2012
From: craziness at sethradio.com (Seth Schroeder)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:48:30 +0000
Subject: [Dev] A suggestion for the parabola devs
Message-ID: <87zk9uxqsx.fsf@sethradio.com>


I don't know if you already working on this or not, but I think that
this is something that you guys should work on in the near future.

I think that there should be a PUR, a Parabola User Repository. Just
like the AUR but packages would be required to be free software (and of
course not recomend nonfree software, no DRM, etc). That way people can
use parabola and know that all the software that they install from it's
user repo is free software, completely.

Kind Regards,

Seth

P.S. I'm not a Parabola dev but may be, once I have coding skills.

From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Apr 30 03:22:13 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:22:13 -0300
Subject: [Dev] python2 unblacklisted
Message-ID: <87ipghaopm.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

the freedom patches were applied to 2.7.3 so i unblacklisted it. it should
be re-installed manually though, so i'll make a news post about it.


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Apr 30 03:55:58 2012
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:55:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] A suggestion for the parabola devs
In-Reply-To: <87zk9uxqsx.fsf@sethradio.com>
References: <87zk9uxqsx.fsf@sethradio.com>
Message-ID: <87fwblan5d.fsf@kiwwwi.com.ar>

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:48:30 +0000, Seth Schroeder <craziness at sethradio.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know if you already working on this or not, but I think that
> this is something that you guys should work on in the near future.
> 
> I think that there should be a PUR, a Parabola User Repository. Just
> like the AUR but packages would be required to be free software (and of
> course not recomend nonfree software, no DRM, etc). That way people can
> use parabola and know that all the software that they install from it's
> user repo is free software, completely.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Seth
> 
> P.S. I'm not a Parabola dev but may be, once I have coding skills.

Hi, thanks for the suggestion! It has been discussed before, but we
probably didn't document our conclusions properly.

* AUR is huge and as a community effort, it's awesome
* Many PKGBUILDs are mislicensed so automatic conversion to PUR would be
  a PITA

So, we did this: actual per-project and/otr user repositories, so
there're [social], [artistic], [~fauno], [~mtjm] repos now. If you
browse the packages on the web site you'll see there're several repos.



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From bodhi.zazen at montanalinux.org  Tue Apr 24 06:34:54 2012
From: bodhi.zazen at montanalinux.org (Bodhi Zazen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:34:54 -0000
Subject: [Dev] User bar take 2 , sorry
In-Reply-To: <a63882c5-c3d2-4abd-a9d2-e96c94219f77@mail.montanalinux.org>
Message-ID: <bb59a972-1267-4e45-8aee-a08933f63aec@mail.montanalinux.org>

url - http://bodhizazen.net/img/parabola-GNU-linux-libre.jpg

Same license CC-by-sa is probably best for web. Would appreciate a note "from bodhi.zazen", but not necessary 



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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 17:43:52 2012
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (Joshua Ismael Haase Hernandez)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:43:52 -0000
Subject: [Dev] [mips64el] iceweasel 11 does not package
Message-ID: <87zkav1hf9.fsf@parabola.nu>


I spent yesterday on building iceweasel 11 from mozilla-testing on
mips64el, the build function runs just fine but the package function
stops with a ?segment fault? error.

I repackaged using ?sudo -u nobody makepkg -R? on my chroot, but exit
with the same error.

Logs attached.

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From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Apr  5 17:01:43 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:01:43 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [unarchiver] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120405170141.29124.69877@rshg054.dnsready.net>

redskull at free.fr wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* unarchiver 3.0-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/unarchiver/
* unarchiver 3.0-1 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/unarchiver/
* unarchiver 3.0-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/unarchiver/


The user provided the following additional text:

Version 3.1 is out. libz.patch and native_obj_exceptions.patch are not needed anymore.


From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Sat Apr  7 20:18:39 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:18:39 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Iptables script made by my brother for servers
Message-ID: <4F80A101.8090700@adinet.com.uy>

My brother made a script with all ports for iptables, if someone need to
configure iptables, this script have the essentials configurations to
works perfectly on Parabola.
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From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:05:01 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:05:01 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [foomatic-filters-libre] marked
	out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413090459.13965.15350@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* foomatic-db 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [extra] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/i686/foomatic-db/
* foomatic-db 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [extra] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/foomatic-db/
* foomatic-db 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/foomatic-db/
* foomatic-db-engine 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [extra] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/i686/foomatic-db-engine/
* foomatic-db-engine 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [extra] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/foomatic-db-engine/
* foomatic-db-engine 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/foomatic-db-engine/
* foomatic-filters-libre 1:4.0.15_20120406-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/foomatic-filters-libre/
* foomatic-filters-libre 1:4.0.7_20110707-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/foomatic-filters-libre/


The user provided the following additional text:

foomatic-filters-libre (x86_64) is out-of-date.


From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:05:55 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:05:55 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [ghostscript-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413090553.23219.90380@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* ghostscript-libre 9.04-6 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/ghostscript-libre/
* ghostscript-libre 9.04-6 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/ghostscript-libre/
* ghostscript-libre 9.04-6 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/ghostscript-libre/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:07:12 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:07:12 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [gnu-ghostscript] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413090711.10693.29462@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* gnu-ghostscript 8.71.1-1 [connos] (i586): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/connos/i586/gnu-ghostscript/
* gnu-ghostscript 9.04.1-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/gnu-ghostscript/
* gnu-ghostscript 9.04.1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/gnu-ghostscript/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:13:19 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:13:19 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [linux-libre-api-headers] marked
	out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413091317.24493.93570@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* linux-libre-api-headers 3.3-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/linux-libre-api-headers/
* linux-libre-api-headers 3.3-1 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/linux-libre-api-headers/
* linux-libre-api-headers 3.3-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/linux-libre-api-headers/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:15:34 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:15:34 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [pacman] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413091533.23219.22341@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* pacman 4.0.2-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/pacman/
* pacman 4.0.2-1 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/pacman/
* pacman 4.0.2-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/pacman/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:16:50 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:16:50 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [python2-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413091649.24493.81570@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* python2-libre 2.7.2-4 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/python2-libre/
* python2-libre 2.7.2-4 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/python2-libre/
* python2-libre 2.7.2-4 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/python2-libre/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:17:37 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:17:37 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [seamonkey-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413091736.10693.1508@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* seamonkey-libre 2.7.1-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/seamonkey-libre/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:18:25 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:25 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [unarchiver] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413091824.10693.61369@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* unarchiver 3.0-1.1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/unarchiver/
* unarchiver 3.0-1.1 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/unarchiver/
* unarchiver 3.0-1.1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/unarchiver/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Fri Apr 13 09:21:03 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:21:03 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [crosstool-ng] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120413092101.13958.12567@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* crosstool-ng 1.13.0-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/crosstool-ng/
* crosstool-ng 1.13.0-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/crosstool-ng/



From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:38:47 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:38:47 -0000
Subject: [Dev] My brother profile and pic to put on Parabola Hackers Profile
 on the webpage
In-Reply-To: <4F78B23E.3010706@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F78B23E.3010706@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8DD4B9.4060102@adinet.com.uy>

Name: M?rcio Alexandre Silva Delgado (M?rcio Alexandre Silva Delgado)
Alias: coadde
Email: coadde at adinet.com.uy
Other Contact: IRC: cyberspeed (domain:cyberspeed.sytes.net)
PGP Key: 0xBFF3F791
http://http-keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=0x293E2D4654CFF037F7569D4EEB1C29CCBFF3F791&op=vindex

Roles: Parabola Hacker
Website:
Occupation: GNU Sysadmin and Security, Graphics Design, Creation and
Animation 2D/3D
YOB: 1988
Location: S?o Paulo-SP Brazil
Languages: Portuguese, Spanish, English and Galician
Interests: Free software and ecology advocacy, 3D desing, free art and
computer science
Favorite Distros: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre


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From andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy  Tue Apr 17 20:48:12 2012
From: andre.paulista at adinet.com.uy (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Silva?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:48:12 -0000
Subject: [Dev] My brother pic to put on Parabola Hackers Profile on the
	webpage
In-Reply-To: <4F8DD4B9.4060102@adinet.com.uy>
References: <4F8DD4B9.4060102@adinet.com.uy>
Message-ID: <4F8DD708.1070805@adinet.com.uy>


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From bodhi.zazen at montanalinux.org  Tue Apr 24 05:44:55 2012
From: bodhi.zazen at montanalinux.org (Bodhi Zazen)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:44:55 -0000
Subject: [Dev] userbars
In-Reply-To: <b180c769-9b14-4cf8-a64e-52f3c83d345f@mail.montanalinux.org>
Message-ID: <c2accb68-6f1e-4a14-b2d3-9a2fdf9f6d8f@mail.montanalinux.org>

You can release these under any license you like.

CC-by-sa probably best


http://bodhizazen.net/img/parabolic.jpg
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From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 12:55:19 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:55:19 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [xulrunner-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430125516.26547.87866@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* xulrunner-libre 11.0.2-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/xulrunner-libre/
* xulrunner-libre 11.0.2-1 [libre] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/mips64el/xulrunner-libre/
* xulrunner-libre 11.0.2-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/xulrunner-libre/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 12:59:03 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:59:03 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Libre package [seamonkey-libre] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430125902.25998.36945@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* seamonkey-libre 2.8-1 [libre] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/i686/seamonkey-libre/
* seamonkey-libre 2.8-1 [libre] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/libre/x86_64/seamonkey-libre/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 15:03:34 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:34 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Elementary package [elementary-gtk-theme] marked
	out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430150332.28975.18120@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* elementary-gtk-theme 2.1-5 [elementary] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/elementary/any/elementary-gtk-theme/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 15:03:48 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:03:48 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Elementary package [elementary-icons] marked
	out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430150346.28975.22576@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* elementary-icons 2.7.1-1 [elementary] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/elementary/any/elementary-icons/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 15:05:03 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:05:03 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Elementary package [trisquel-themes] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430150500.26547.83347@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* trisquel-themes 5.0-1 [elementary] (any): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/elementary/any/trisquel-themes/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 15:07:45 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:07:45 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Elementary package [vala-010] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430150743.28987.97648@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* vala-010 0.10.4-1 [elementary] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/elementary/mips64el/vala-010/



From nobody at parabolagnulinux.org  Mon Apr 30 16:12:51 2012
From: nobody at parabolagnulinux.org (Parabola Website Notification)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:12:51 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Orphan Community package [mplayer2] marked out-of-date
Message-ID: <20120430161249.29289.43538@rshg054.dnsready.net>

dimqua at lavabit.com wants to notify you that the following packages may be out-of-date:


* mplayer2 20120414-4 [community] (i686): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/community/i686/mplayer2/
* mplayer2 2.0.20111114+g3a39fc1-1 [community] (mips64el): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/community/mips64el/mplayer2/
* mplayer2 20120414-4 [community] (x86_64): https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/mplayer2/