From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Nov  1 13:13:20 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:13:20 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue100] [mips port] work on an installable medium
In-Reply-To: <1302706780.79.0.942424380407.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1320153200.17.0.884281481448.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

i guess it's not that critical since people has been using the base tarball successfully, eh?

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Nov  1 13:17:43 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:17:43 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue110] Website shouldn't track visitors
In-Reply-To: <1304689427.26.0.0825840572859.issue110@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1320153463.72.0.886095588055.issue110@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

repo and site servers are converting http access.log ips to 127.0.0.1 for quite some time now :)

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Tue Nov  1 23:20:30 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:20:30 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue213] [mips64el] use */lib32 instead of */lib for N32 ABI
Message-ID: <1320189630.92.0.325977807804.issue213@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

We decided to use lib and not lib32 for n32 in the first place because the arch pkgbuilds for 
both arches assume you'll place current architecture libs in /lib. This makes writing pkgbuilds for 
several arches easier, since you don't have to use conditionals for packages that require to 
specify a libdir. (I just hit this one with liblockfile)

For multilib systems, what x86_64 does is to use lib32 for 32b libraries, hence the lib32- prefix 
in the package names.

I think we should evaluate how many things will break because of the pkgbuild assumption, 
though I'm not completely against having a multilib system when is not possible to have a n32 
package. I just assumed the o32 ABI would be our [multilib] repo for mips64el.

Mtjm has a valid point when he says changing to lib32 would allow us to use o32 packages from 
Debian/gNewSense when it's impractical to build for ourselves (in huge packages like libreoffice 
this is tempting). But I think it can be solved by having a chroot, thus avoiding mixing binaries 
from different package systems.

How many packages are known to not build or fail misserably on n32? webkit for sure, 
whatever depends on openjdk, ghc...

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Nov  2 18:44:32 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:44:32 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue213] [mips64el] use */lib32 instead of */lib for N32 ABI
Message-ID: <1320259472.0.0.222442380147.issue213@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

Most of the PKGBUILDs which I have seen don't assume anything about libdir. 
Unless something is done incorrectly (liblockfile is probably a case),
autotools-based buildsystems don't have any problems which changing this
variable, and autoconf allows specifying it in config.site, so PKGBUILDs not
passing it explicitly don't need changing for this.  Other buildsystems
(probably CMake) could also have the defaults patched.

There are packages not using autoconf, CMake or any other modern buildsystem
tools, these probably already need changes for unrelated problems.

I know two WebKit problems: it's huge (multicore Loongson 3 machines with n64
binutils and many gigabytes of RAM will make this practical if they will be
available and supported) and it has a segfault (needs debugging and several
builds to check changes).  Except that an n64 ld would be faster on a machine
with enough RAM and it would not need special options to use less memory,
library paths and multilib are unrelated to this.

I haven't ever used OpenJDK or GHC on n32, I don't know what runtime problems
they will have.  OpenJDK needs a complex cross compilation or GCJ to build
natively.  GHC needs a semimanual cross compilation.

I see two long term uses for multilib: having some n64 programs when we will
have Loongson machines with more than 2 GiB of RAM (an o32 or n32 process can
use only 2 GiB of virtual memory) and development of software for MIPS32 systems
(e.g. Debian-based things or NanoNote).

I'll try building LibreOffice again later in this week, I believe it should have
at least two reasons less than before to fail, so maybe we will have less
reasons for multilib.

If there are more problems with lib32, I will help changing it to use only lib,
and patching gcc again to use /lib/ld.so.1 for n32.

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From joe at t67.eu  Thu Nov  3 12:25:22 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:25:22 +0000
Subject: [Dev] IRC announcements
Message-ID: <20111103122331.GA11185@t67.eu>

I added a cool feature to pbots_friend to announce you the first time you speak
after 3 hours of inactivity. I'll dissable it for people who haven't asked for
it but if you want an announcement ask me and I'll set it for you. There can be
multiple and it can randomly choose one. And maybe I'll make a feature to
manage your phrases from the IRC by talking to the bot!


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov  3 15:09:30 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:09:30 -0300
Subject: [Dev] IRC announcements
In-Reply-To: <20111103122331.GA11185@t67.eu>
References: <20111103122331.GA11185@t67.eu>
Message-ID: <20111103150930.GL2011@ponape.bal>

El 03/11/11 12:25, Joseph Graham dijo:
> I added a cool feature to pbots_friend to announce you the first time you speak
> after 3 hours of inactivity. I'll dissable it for people who haven't asked for
> it but if you want an announcement ask me and I'll set it for you. There can be
> multiple and it can randomly choose one. And maybe I'll make a feature to
> manage your phrases from the IRC by talking to the bot!

Feature request: Announce changes on the bug tracker

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov  3 20:08:39 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:08:39 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [REPO] new sync script in testing
Message-ID: <20111103200838.GT2011@ponape.bal>

Hey, I took one of the sync methods we propposed and made a script[0]. I've
setup a test repo[1] for [testing] and [core] and I'll be updating it every day
during a week to see if it's fit to replace repo-update.

The process is as following:

* Get all repo dbs (repo.db*) from a mirror

* Remove blacklisted packages from them (repo-remove)

* Sync each repo using a whitelist of db contents (archrepo/ => parabolarepo/).
  This sync removes whatever is extraneous on parabolarepo/)

* Sync the package and source pools using a whitelist of all repos synced
  (archpool/ => parabolapool/). This process doesn't remove anything, just
  adds packages.

* Put the clean databases in place

If everything is OK, this will maintain the repos *exactly* as upstream (minus
the unfree packages), and definitely fix the problem of having packages always
added but never removed that we have today (that breaks [testing] from time to
time).

This will also require a new cleanup script, since ftpdir-cleanup works like
hell (it provoked the repo breakage on the previous server). 

Ways you can help:

* If you use [testing], change it on pacman.conf to
  "Server = http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/temprepo/testing/os/$arch"

* Change [core] to 
  "Server = http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/temprepo/core/os/$arch"

* Update every day and report how well or bad the repos are behaving.


[0]: https://projects.parabolagnulinux.org/dbscripts.git/log/?h=sync-db-first
[1]: http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/temprepo/

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From joe at t67.eu  Fri Nov  4 21:42:34 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:42:34 +0000
Subject: [Dev] IRC announcements
In-Reply-To: <20111103150930.GL2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111103122331.GA11185@t67.eu> <20111103150930.GL2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <20111104214234.GA28027@t67.eu>

On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 12:09:30PM -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> El 03/11/11 12:25, Joseph Graham dijo:
> > I added a cool feature to pbots_friend to announce you the first time you speak
> > after 3 hours of inactivity. I'll dissable it for people who haven't asked for
> > it but if you want an announcement ask me and I'll set it for you. There can be
> > multiple and it can randomly choose one. And maybe I'll make a feature to
> > manage your phrases from the IRC by talking to the bot!
> 
> Feature request: Announce changes on the bug tracker

Feature added.


From joe at t67.eu  Sat Nov  5 20:03:27 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:03:27 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Failed to build newest gnutls.
In-Reply-To: <87mxcnn199.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <20111025111202.GD5262@everynothing>
 <87mxcnn199.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20111105200239.GA4237@t67.eu>

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 06:52:50PM +0200, Micha? Mas?owski wrote:
> > chain[ecc cert ok]: verify_status: 2 expected: 0
> > FAIL: chainverify
> 
> Building gnutls-3.0.4-2 on x86_64 works passing this test.  I don't know
> gnutls, it isn't a crash or a widely known MIPS-specific problem, and I
> haven't found any related bug reports.
> 
> I recommend asking on an upstream mailing list.
> 
> Reporting such problems on our bug tracker makes them easier to find.



> _______________________________________________
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I gave Nikos (gnutls maintainer) ssh access to my machine and after three days
of work he tells me: `I've solved this issue in the repository and will be
included in the next release.'


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Nov  6 13:25:04 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:25:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ideas for posts in the website
Message-ID: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>

i was thinking we could give more life to the news feed with something more
than technical posts.

a few themes i thought of:

* common misconceptions about free distros: 
  - they forbid you from using unfree software
  - you *need* some unfree software because 100% doesn't work
  - etc.

* i always forget the extra points

what do you think? tell me if you want to write or just read about something in
particular :D

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From cer at parlementum.net  Sun Nov  6 16:26:40 2011
From: cer at parlementum.net (Charles Roth)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:26:40 -0800
Subject: [Dev] ideas for posts in the website
In-Reply-To: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <20111106162640.GA2725@SPQR>

Maybe also talk about the libre packages and what they can do.

Also things like using mpd & a client or setting up a tor or encrypting your email....

help people with freedom.

On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 10:25:04AM -0300, fauno wrote:
> i was thinking we could give more life to the news feed with something more
> than technical posts.
> 
> a few themes i thought of:
> 
> * common misconceptions about free distros: 
>   - they forbid you from using unfree software
>   - you *need* some unfree software because 100% doesn't work
>   - etc.
> 
> * i always forget the extra points
> 
> what do you think? tell me if you want to write or just read about something in
> particular :D
> 
> -- 
> Salud!
> Nicol?s Reynolds,
> xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
> omb:http://identi.ca/fauno
> 
> OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2
> 
> http://parabolagnulinux.org
> http://endefensadelsl.org
> 
> "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen



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From hahj87 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 17:34:34 2011
From: hahj87 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joshua_Ismael_Haase_Hern=E1ndez?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:34 -0600
Subject: [Dev] [mips64el] Base tar for install not booting
Message-ID: <CA+ypG2aObY5VDWTjmSeE8vZPnYffP-Y9xTD=MscLnR+YY=VzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tried the instalation tar for mips64el,  from
http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base-20111102.tar.bz2
http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base-20111102.tar.bz2.sig

It didn't boot, complains about missing shared object
libc.6.so
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Sun Nov  6 18:29:59 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:29:59 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ideas for posts in the website
In-Reply-To: <20111106162640.GA2725@SPQR>
References: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
 <20111106162640.GA2725@SPQR>
Message-ID: <20111106182959.GV2011@ponape.bal>

El 06/11/11 08:26, Charles Roth dijo:
> Maybe also talk about the libre packages and what they can do.
> 
> Also things like using mpd & a client or setting up a tor or encrypting your email....
> 
> help people with freedom.

+1 can you work on any of them? i think they should go on the wiki and be
featured on the news feed.


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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Nov  6 19:46:03 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:46:03 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue213] [mips64el] use */lib32 instead of */lib for N32 ABI
Message-ID: <1320608763.52.0.695037949618.issue213@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

We decided on #parabola to revert these changes.  I have reported it as issue248.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Nov  6 20:40:33 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:40:33 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue203] [linux-libre] have a more informative version
	number
Message-ID: <1320612033.49.0.481878427603.issue203@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

$ uname -r
3.1.0-2-LIBRE

Probably new bugs should be reported if a package includes broken kernel modules.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Nov  7 18:20:37 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:20:37 -0300
Subject: [Dev] [GNU-linux-libre] virtual private servers that can run a
 free distribution
In-Reply-To: <20111107154306.GA10245@countzero.vandewege.net>
References: <20111107154306.GA10245@countzero.vandewege.net>
Message-ID: <20111107182037.GC2011@ponape.bal>

El 07/11/11 10:43, Ward Vandewege dijo:
> Hi all,
> 
> We have started a page on the LibrePlanet wiki with a list of providers that
> offer Virtual Private Servers (VPS) for rent. 
> 
>   http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:VPS
> 
> The idea is to compile a list of providers, identifying those where one can
> run a free distribution and how easy it is to do so. It would also be helpful
> to know which providers make it impossible or difficult to run a free
> distribution so that we know who to avoid.
> 
> Feel free to add entries to the list.

Hi, good iniciative! A few weeks ago a Parabola user asked Gandi.net to support
free distros but he didn't succeed. Maybe if we put up a campaign for it :P

Last week we were informed a VPS host is offering Parabola images, I'll post
the info on the wiki.

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Nov  7 18:58:04 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:58:04 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Parabola GNU/Linux are available for install on buyvm.net
In-Reply-To: <CAFMHJKRerUkQMJKtkxbTLjzCv5MNBWEwny-QaVjfgFHiE_dMeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFMHJKRerUkQMJKtkxbTLjzCv5MNBWEwny-QaVjfgFHiE_dMeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111107185804.GF2011@ponape.bal>

El 31/10/11 06:49, Michael Taibo dijo:
> Hi,
> 
> recently asked to Francisco Dias via Twitter[1] (owner of buyvm.net, a
> hosting provider), to add the core images of Parabola GNU/Linux for install
> on the vps servers (KVM), after 24 hours,[2][3][4] the images are now
> available for install.
> 
> BuyVM offers high quality hosting with Hurricane Electric connectivity (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Electric) at low cost, and by
> default, all servers come with 16 IPv6 addresses automatically bound.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> [1] https://twitter.com/#!/doti2p/status/130482787739369472
> [2] https://twitter.com/#!/FrantechCA/status/130517835779801088
> [3] https://twitter.com/#!/FrantechCA/status/130578456768561153
> [4] https://twitter.com/#!/FrantechCA/status/130763920024678402

This is great news!! Can you confirm by taking a screenshot? I can't find it on
their website.


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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Nov  9 00:13:09 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:13:09 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [GNU-linux-libre] asunder wrappers for non free codecs
Message-ID: <20111109001309.GW2011@ponape.bal>

----- Forwarded message from Santiago Rodr?guez <aklis at es.gnu.org> -----

> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:48:36 +0100
> From: Santiago Rodr?guez <aklis at es.gnu.org>
> To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions
> 	<gnu-linux-libre at nongnu.org>
> Subject: [GNU-linux-libre] asunder wrappers for non free codecs
> 
> Hello
> 
> As noted in http://trisquel.info/es/issues/4061 , asunder ( a graphical
> Audio CD ripper and encoder ), run as wrapper for non-free codecs aac and
> monkey's audio code.
> 
> We have created a patch to remove those features:
> 
> http://bzr.trisquel.info/package-helpers/trunk/files/head%3A/helpers/natty/DATA/asunder/
> 
> ( The patches must be applied in order, first aac's one and then monkey's )
> 
> In next days, and if no one objects, I will add it to the list of packages
> that do not respect the liberties on the wiki.
> 
> /santi

----- End forwarded message -----

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OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

http://parabolagnulinux.org
http://endefensadelsl.org

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Nov 11 05:11:53 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:11:53 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ideas for posts in the website
In-Reply-To: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <20111111051153.GA2011@ponape.bal>

El 06/11/11 10:25, Nicol?s Reynolds dijo:
> i was thinking we could give more life to the news feed with something more
> than technical posts.
> 
> a few themes i thought of:
> 
> * common misconceptions about free distros: 
>   - they forbid you from using unfree software
>   - you *need* some unfree software because 100% doesn't work
>   - etc.
> 
> * i always forget the extra points

i remembered!

* why we think aur is amazing but we won't support it :P


-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Fri Nov 11 17:55:54 2011
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Dev] ideas for posts in the website
In-Reply-To: <20111111051153.GA2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111106132504.GS2011@ponape.bal>
 <20111111051153.GA2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <4EBD61AA.9010202@congresolibre.org>

On 11/11/11 00:11, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> El 06/11/11 10:25, Nicol?s Reynolds dijo:
>> i was thinking we could give more life to the news feed with something more
>> than technical posts.
>>
>> a few themes i thought of:
>>
>> * common misconceptions about free distros:
>>    - they forbid you from using unfree software
>>    - you *need* some unfree software because 100% doesn't work
>>    - etc.
>>
>> * i always forget the extra points
> i remembered!
>
> * why we think aur is amazing but we won't support it :P
>

I think this will convey a lot of food for thought but mentioning what 
we don't want well only promote it even if we speak negatively about it. 
Maybe we can talk about what we think is amazing and is good.


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Nov 11 18:09:29 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:09:29 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ghostscript-libre update
Message-ID: <20111111180929.GK2011@ponape.bal>

x86_64 packager where are thou?

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 21:35:48 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:35:48 +1100
Subject: [Dev] ghostscript-libre update
In-Reply-To: <20111111180929.GK2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111111180929.GK2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <4EBD9534.3020204@gmail.com>

On 12/11/11 05:09, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> x86_64 packager where are thou?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
Done.
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From joe at t67.eu  Sat Nov 12 21:19:54 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:19:54 +0000
Subject: [Dev] Abandoning Parabola IRC
Message-ID: <20111112211858.GA30016@t67.eu>

I'm abandoning the IRC for a few days to save me the distraction. Mail me if you
want me, or if pbot-ng breaks/annoys you.

xylon


From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Sun Nov 13 00:31:11 2011
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Dev] external USB disk format
Message-ID: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org>

Hi fellow freedomsters.

I would like to reformat my external USB hard drive to a format that is 
writeable in any computer that it is plugged into. I would not like to 
support Microsoft so I will avoid NTFS. I have found UFS but I get this 
messago when trying to install ufs:


# pacman -S aufs2-libre
resolviendo dependencias...
precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre>=2.6.38", una 
dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre<2.6.39", una dependencia 
de "aufs2-libre"
:: El siguiente paquete no se puede actualizar debido a dependencias que 
no se pudieron resolver:
       aufs2-libre

?Quiere omitir el siguiente paquete para esta actualizaci?n? [s/N]



It has dependencies it cannot resolve. What can I do?


From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 02:06:26 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:06:26 +1100
Subject: [Dev] external USB disk format
In-Reply-To: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org>
References: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <4EBF2622.7050508@gmail.com>

On 13/11/11 11:31, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
> Hi fellow freedomsters.
>
> I would like to reformat my external USB hard drive to a format that 
> is writeable in any computer that it is plugged into. I would not like 
> to support Microsoft so I will avoid NTFS. I have found UFS but I get 
> this messago when trying to install ufs:
>
>
> # pacman -S aufs2-libre
> resolviendo dependencias...
> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre>=2.6.38", una 
> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre<2.6.39", una 
> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
> :: El siguiente paquete no se puede actualizar debido a dependencias 
> que no se pudieron resolver:
>       aufs2-libre
>
> ?Quiere omitir el siguiente paquete para esta actualizaci?n? [s/N]
>
>
>
> It has dependencies it cannot resolve. What can I do?
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
This is because we are at linux 3.1 but aufs2-libre is compiled for 
2.6.38. Also, aufs is "Advanced multi layered unification filesystem", 
which a fork of UnionFS, whereas UFS is "Unix File System". I looked 
them up and it seems that aufs only supports linux, and that UFS only 
supports various unix's. As far as I know the one filesystem that works 
everywhere is FAT32, unfortunately. Please check that this is really the 
software your looking for.


From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Sun Nov 13 03:54:53 2011
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:54:53 -0500
Subject: [Dev] external USB disk format
In-Reply-To: <4EBF2622.7050508@gmail.com>
References: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org> <4EBF2622.7050508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EBF3F8D.5010605@congresolibre.org>

On 12/11/11 21:06, Brendan Tildesley wrote:
> On 13/11/11 11:31, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
>> Hi fellow freedomsters.
>>
>> I would like to reformat my external USB hard drive to a format that 
>> is writeable in any computer that it is plugged into. I would not 
>> like to support Microsoft so I will avoid NTFS. I have found UFS but 
>> I get this messago when trying to install ufs:
>>
>>
>> # pacman -S aufs2-libre
>> resolviendo dependencias...
>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre>=2.6.38", una 
>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre<2.6.39", una 
>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>> :: El siguiente paquete no se puede actualizar debido a dependencias 
>> que no se pudieron resolver:
>>       aufs2-libre
>>
>> ?Quiere omitir el siguiente paquete para esta actualizaci?n? [s/N]
>>
>>
>>
>> It has dependencies it cannot resolve. What can I do?
>>
> This is because we are at linux 3.1 but aufs2-libre is compiled for 
> 2.6.38. Also, aufs is "Advanced multi layered unification filesystem", 
> which a fork of UnionFS, whereas UFS is "Unix File System". I looked 
> them up and it seems that aufs only supports linux, and that UFS only 
> supports various unix's. As far as I know the one filesystem that 
> works everywhere is FAT32, unfortunately. Please check that this is 
> really the software your looking for.

Thank you very much for your comments. I am sad I will have to use 
software that upholds the Microsoft monopoly (fat32).



From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 04:07:39 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:07:39 +1100
Subject: [Dev] external USB disk format
In-Reply-To: <4EBF3F8D.5010605@congresolibre.org>
References: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org> <4EBF2622.7050508@gmail.com>
 <4EBF3F8D.5010605@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <4EBF428B.9010009@gmail.com>

On 13/11/11 14:54, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
> On 12/11/11 21:06, Brendan Tildesley wrote:
>> On 13/11/11 11:31, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
>>> Hi fellow freedomsters.
>>>
>>> I would like to reformat my external USB hard drive to a format that 
>>> is writeable in any computer that it is plugged into. I would not 
>>> like to support Microsoft so I will avoid NTFS. I have found UFS but 
>>> I get this messago when trying to install ufs:
>>>
>>>
>>> # pacman -S aufs2-libre
>>> resolviendo dependencias...
>>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre>=2.6.38", una 
>>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre<2.6.39", una 
>>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>>> :: El siguiente paquete no se puede actualizar debido a dependencias 
>>> que no se pudieron resolver:
>>>       aufs2-libre
>>>
>>> ?Quiere omitir el siguiente paquete para esta actualizaci?n? [s/N]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has dependencies it cannot resolve. What can I do?
>>>
>> This is because we are at linux 3.1 but aufs2-libre is compiled for 
>> 2.6.38. Also, aufs is "Advanced multi layered unification 
>> filesystem", which a fork of UnionFS, whereas UFS is "Unix File 
>> System". I looked them up and it seems that aufs only supports linux, 
>> and that UFS only supports various unix's. As far as I know the one 
>> filesystem that works everywhere is FAT32, unfortunately. Please 
>> check that this is really the software your looking for.
>
> Thank you very much for your comments. I am sad I will have to use 
> software that upholds the Microsoft monopoly (fat32).
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
I can't think of how using FAT32 would support microsoft, since you can 
use it gratis. Also, as far as I know, it is not being developed so i 
dont see microsoft using it to control anyone.


From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 02:45:28 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:45:28 +1100
Subject: [Dev] Various old kdeutils- things in -libre && Work for maintainers
Message-ID: <4EC080C8.4070905@gmail.com>

https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=kdeutils&maintainer=&last_update=&flagged=&limit=50

I'm assuming the older versions need to be removed since they are 
present in extra from Arch.

Also, I am going through libre, sorted by 'Last Updated' and marking 
things that are out of date, and I'm finding quite a few.

https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/?repo=Libre&sort=last_update&limit=all

This should probably be done periodically for all Arch independant 
repositories.


From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 02:46:11 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:46:11 +1100
Subject: [Dev] Various old kdeutils- things in -libre && Work for maintainers
Message-ID: <4EC080F3.7020709@gmail.com>

https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=kdeutils&maintainer=&last_update=&flagged=&limit=50

I'm assuming the older versions need to be removed since they are 
present in extra from Arch.

Also, I am going through libre, sorted by 'Last Updated' and marking 
things that are out of date, and I'm finding quite a few.

https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/?repo=Libre&sort=last_update&limit=all

This should probably be done periodically for all Arch independant 
repositories.


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Nov 14 17:23:34 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:23:34 -0300
Subject: [Dev] repo sync script migration today
Message-ID: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>


i changed the sync script to db-sync today. everything went fine with [core]
and [testing] during a week, but *of course* everything different on [extra]
and [community] so i had to apply fixes on the sync script during the
migration.

i hope everything's fine now so if you had trouble updating, try syncing in an
hour or so.

if not, please ping me

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

http://parabolagnulinux.org
http://endefensadelsl.org

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From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Nov 14 19:17:04 2011
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Dev] repo sync script migration today
In-Reply-To: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <4EC16930.5060608@congresolibre.org>

Would someone please give hints to making an offline repo for installing 
Parabola where there is no internet connection? Thank you.


From quiliro at congresolibre.org  Mon Nov 14 19:22:37 2011
From: quiliro at congresolibre.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quiliro_Ord=F3=F1ez?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Dev] external USB disk format
In-Reply-To: <4EBF428B.9010009@gmail.com>
References: <4EBF0FCF.70700@congresolibre.org> <4EBF2622.7050508@gmail.com>
 <4EBF3F8D.5010605@congresolibre.org> <4EBF428B.9010009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC16A7D.5030100@congresolibre.org>

On 12/11/11 23:07, Brendan Tildesley wrote:
> On 13/11/11 14:54, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
>> On 12/11/11 21:06, Brendan Tildesley wrote:
>>> On 13/11/11 11:31, Quiliro Ord??ez wrote:
>>>> Hi fellow freedomsters.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to reformat my external USB hard drive to a format 
>>>> that is writeable in any computer that it is plugged into. I would 
>>>> not like to support Microsoft so I will avoid NTFS. I have found 
>>>> UFS but I get this messago when trying to install ufs:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # pacman -S aufs2-libre
>>>> resolviendo dependencias...
>>>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre>=2.6.38", una 
>>>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>>>> precauci?n: no se pudo resolver "kernel26-libre<2.6.39", una 
>>>> dependencia de "aufs2-libre"
>>>> :: El siguiente paquete no se puede actualizar debido a 
>>>> dependencias que no se pudieron resolver:
>>>>       aufs2-libre
>>>>
>>>> ?Quiere omitir el siguiente paquete para esta actualizaci?n? [s/N]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It has dependencies it cannot resolve. What can I do?
>>>>
>>> This is because we are at linux 3.1 but aufs2-libre is compiled for 
>>> 2.6.38. Also, aufs is "Advanced multi layered unification 
>>> filesystem", which a fork of UnionFS, whereas UFS is "Unix File 
>>> System". I looked them up and it seems that aufs only supports 
>>> linux, and that UFS only supports various unix's. As far as I know 
>>> the one filesystem that works everywhere is FAT32, unfortunately. 
>>> Please check that this is really the software your looking for.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your comments. I am sad I will have to use 
>> software that upholds the Microsoft monopoly (fat32).
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> I can't think of how using FAT32 would support microsoft, since you 
> can use it gratis. Also, as far as I know, it is not being developed 
> so i dont see microsoft using it to control anyone.

Control doesn't have to be costly. One example is Facebook. How can I 
tell if some machine adds information to a file under FAT without my 
consent (except if the implementation has the source available)?

By usiing a free (as in price) product I am promoting it and its 
manufacturer. I do not want to promote MS.


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Nov 14 19:29:01 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:29:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] repo sync script migration today
In-Reply-To: <4EC16930.5060608@congresolibre.org>
References: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>
 <4EC16930.5060608@congresolibre.org>
Message-ID: <20111114192900.GI2011@ponape.bal>

El 14/11/11 02:17, Quiliro Ord??ez dijo:
> Would someone please give hints to making an offline repo for
> installing Parabola where there is no internet connection? Thank you.

now that we have a proper server for our repos we can provide repo rsync for
mirrors.

it's not too difficult, i'll do it this afternoon if i can.


-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

http://parabolagnulinux.org
http://endefensadelsl.org

"Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen
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From joe at t67.eu  Mon Nov 14 20:12:27 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:12:27 +0000
Subject: [Dev] gcc update status?
Message-ID: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu>

Hi,

How did the mips64el gcc update go? Is it safe for me to upgrade?


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Nov 14 20:29:06 2011
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:29:06 +0100
Subject: [Dev] gcc update status?
In-Reply-To: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu> (Joseph Graham's message of "Mon, 
 14 Nov 2011 20:12:27 +0000")
References: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu>
Message-ID: <87k472e9d9.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> How did the mips64el gcc update go? Is it safe for me to upgrade?

It's probably safe (I updated it on my system, or maybe only on the
chroot).  If you have gNS or another system still installed, it
shouldn't cause problems.

If you have /lib32 or /usr/lib32 symlinked to the non-32 directories,
pacman won't know this and will consider the update to replace files not
owned by other packages.  Running pacman -S --force glibc did not break
my system, the other packages affected probably are less necessary.

The /lib32 symlink is still needed, many programs specify /lib32/ld.so.1
as their linked.  Some packages put their libraries in /lib32 or
/usr/lib32, they will also be rebuilt.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 15 01:29:41 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:29:41 -0300
Subject: [Dev] gcc update status?
In-Reply-To: <87k472e9d9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu>
 <87k472e9d9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20111115012940.GK2011@ponape.bal>

El 14/11/11 09:29, Micha? Mas?owski dijo:
> > How did the mips64el gcc update go? Is it safe for me to upgrade?
> 
> It's probably safe (I updated it on my system, or maybe only on the
> chroot).  If you have gNS or another system still installed, it
> shouldn't cause problems.
> 
> If you have /lib32 or /usr/lib32 symlinked to the non-32 directories,
> pacman won't know this and will consider the update to replace files not
> owned by other packages.  Running pacman -S --force glibc did not break
> my system, the other packages affected probably are less necessary.
> 
> The /lib32 symlink is still needed, many programs specify /lib32/ld.so.1
> as their linked.  Some packages put their libraries in /lib32 or
> /usr/lib32, they will also be rebuilt.

do we have a list of this packages?


-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

http://parabolagnulinux.org
http://endefensadelsl.org

"Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 15 04:00:02 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:00:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] repo sync script migration today
In-Reply-To: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111114172334.GG2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <20111115040002.GL2011@ponape.bal>

El 14/11/11 02:23, Nicol?s Reynolds dijo:
> 
> i changed the sync script to db-sync today. everything went fine with [core]
> and [testing] during a week, but *of course* everything different on [extra]
> and [community] so i had to apply fixes on the sync script during the
> migration.
> 
> i hope everything's fine now so if you had trouble updating, try syncing in an
> hour or so.
> 
> if not, please ping me

ok it's finished! there're not broken symlinks[1], updates on my two i686
machines went well and there were no people complaining in the channel so
i think we're ok.

some notes:

* arch is using the repo/os/any/ dir again but just for [extra] and [community]
  so it messed up the logic of the update. i solved this by considering them
  part of the package pool, so they're updated along pool/packages and
  pool/community. if any other 'any' pool appears it has to be added manually.
  i'm considering making this a config option. you'll notice it's missing when
  some 'any' package is on package database but can't be retrieved from the
  server.

* currently none of the unstable/testing repos are synced (except for
  [testing]), either [multilib]. if they're needed they should be added on
  ~/dbscripts/config on the ARCHREPOS array

* db-sync is not a cronjob yet. there're two questions here: how often should
  it be ran? why crond isn't working? (i haven't checked if the daemon is
  running though)

* i tested a way to do pool cleanup at once. it involves making a list of
  available packages from all the available package databases and running rsync
  over the pool itself (pool/ => pool/) using --exclude=*
  --include-from=available-pkgs --delete-excluded. i'll make a script for this,
  to be run once a week or a month. i already removed 20gb in old packages.



[1]: find -L ~/public -type l


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Salud!
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omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Nov 15 13:06:58 2011
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:06:58 +0100
Subject: [Dev] gcc update status?
In-Reply-To: <20111115012940.GK2011@ponape.bal> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:29:41 -0300")
References: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu> <87k472e9d9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <20111115012940.GK2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <87lirho7pp.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> do we have a list of this packages?

I made a new chroot with base, installation of many packages fails and
it cannot be chrooted to.

These packages certainly need rebuild:

util-linux
binutils
bash
coreutils

There are many other packages using /lib32/ld.so.1 (running e.g. "objdump
-sj .interp bin/bash" shows if bin/bash does), some are already outdated
(like KDE 4.7.2), some will be in near future, so I don't consider
rebuilding them now to be the best solution.

We should normally update new packages using a chroot with /lib32 being
a symlink to /lib (and with newest pacman and gcc, since these
previously made new packages use lib32), and later check packages for
files in /usr/lib32, /lib32 or for binaries using /lib32/ld.so.1 and
rebuild them.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 15 13:42:01 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:42:01 -0300
Subject: [Dev] gcc update status?
In-Reply-To: <87lirho7pp.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <20111114201031.GA28951@t67.eu> <87k472e9d9.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <20111115012940.GK2011@ponape.bal> <87lirho7pp.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20111115134201.GQ2011@ponape.bal>

El 15/11/11 02:06, Micha? Mas?owski dijo:
> > do we have a list of this packages?
> 
> I made a new chroot with base, installation of many packages fails and
> it cannot be chrooted to.
> 
> These packages certainly need rebuild:
> 
> util-linux
> binutils
> bash
> coreutils
> 
> There are many other packages using /lib32/ld.so.1 (running e.g. "objdump
> -sj .interp bin/bash" shows if bin/bash does), some are already outdated
> (like KDE 4.7.2), some will be in near future, so I don't consider
> rebuilding them now to be the best solution.
> 
> We should normally update new packages using a chroot with /lib32 being
> a symlink to /lib (and with newest pacman and gcc, since these
> previously made new packages use lib32), and later check packages for
> files in /usr/lib32, /lib32 or for binaries using /lib32/ld.so.1 and
> rebuild them.

a breeze with fullpkg :D

i'll rebuild the ones from [core]


-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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http://endefensadelsl.org

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Wed Nov 16 17:20:34 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:20:34 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue12] Check pending licenses
Message-ID: <1321464034.98.0.846944633473.issue12@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

we don't have pending licenses anymore. thought it should be done... maybe a
script that finds anything labeled just as "custom"?

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Nov 17 16:23:00 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:23:00 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue258] [kdenetwork-kopete] recommends skype
Message-ID: <1321546980.96.0.682671424094.issue258@parabolagnulinux.org>


New submission from Nicol?s Reynolds:

Apparently kopete suggests skype installation. The script from trisquel should
be applied as a SRCBUILD.

https://trisquel.info/es/issues/3897

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messages: 955
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priority: critical
status: unread
title: [kdenetwork-kopete] recommends skype

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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue258>
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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Nov 17 16:23:13 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:23:13 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue258] [kdenetwork-kopete] recommends skype
In-Reply-To: <1321546980.96.0.682671424094.issue258@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1321546993.52.0.124954143193.issue258@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

blacklisting for now

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov 17 17:27:46 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:27:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
Message-ID: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal>


does anyone disagree with supporting the anti SOPA campaign on our site?

(btw messing up with dns affects internet worldwide...)

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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http://endefensadelsl.org

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From joe at t67.eu  Thu Nov 17 20:23:22 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:23:22 +0000
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
In-Reply-To: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>


I'm fine with it.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:27:46PM -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> does anyone disagree with supporting the anti SOPA campaign on our site?
> 
> (btw messing up with dns affects internet worldwide...)
> 
> -- 
> Salud!
> Nicol?s Reynolds,
> xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
> omb:http://identi.ca/fauno
> 
> OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2
> 
> http://parabolagnulinux.org
> http://endefensadelsl.org
> 
> "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen



> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev



From cer at parlementum.net  Thu Nov 17 20:35:50 2011
From: cer at parlementum.net (cer at parlementum.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:35:50 -0800
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
In-Reply-To: <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>
References: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal> <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>
Message-ID: <a6318b5c9bb42cc4953c2e374a0d3063.squirrel@parlementum.net>

>


I'm fine with it too!
> I'm fine with it.
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:27:46PM -0300, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> does anyone disagree with supporting the anti SOPA campaign on our site?
>>
>> (btw messing up with dns affects internet worldwide...)
>>
>> --
>> Salud!
>> Nicol?s Reynolds,
>> xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
>> omb:http://identi.ca/fauno
>>
>> OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2
>>
>> http://parabolagnulinux.org
>> http://endefensadelsl.org
>>
>> "Freedom [...] is messy" ~ Eben Moglen
>
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dev mailing list
>> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
>> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>




From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov 17 21:49:10 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:49:10 -0300
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
In-Reply-To: <a6318b5c9bb42cc4953c2e374a0d3063.squirrel@parlementum.net>
References: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal> <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>
 <a6318b5c9bb42cc4953c2e374a0d3063.squirrel@parlementum.net>
Message-ID: <20111117214910.GN2011@ponape.bal>

El 17/11/11 12:35, cer at parlementum.net dijo:
> >
> 
> 
> I'm fine with it too!
> > I'm fine with it.

hey cool, could one of you post something along this lines? i'm currently busy
with endefensadelsl.org :)

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

http://parabolagnulinux.org
http://endefensadelsl.org

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From brendan.tildesley at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 06:27:39 2011
From: brendan.tildesley at gmail.com (Brendan Tildesley)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:27:39 +1100
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
In-Reply-To: <20111117214910.GN2011@ponape.bal>
References: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal> <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>
 <a6318b5c9bb42cc4953c2e374a0d3063.squirrel@parlementum.net>
 <20111117214910.GN2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <4EC5FADB.8020201@gmail.com>

On 18/11/11 08:49, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> El 17/11/11 12:35, cer at parlementum.net dijo:
>>
>> I'm fine with it too!
>>> I'm fine with it.
> hey cool, could one of you post something along this lines? i'm currently busy
> with endefensadelsl.org :)
>
Fix up the mailing list link too while your at it :)


From joe at t67.eu  Fri Nov 18 13:12:19 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:12:19 +0000
Subject: [Dev] support americancensorship.org campaign
In-Reply-To: <4EC5FADB.8020201@gmail.com>
References: <20111117172746.GL2011@ponape.bal> <20111117202322.GA26060@t67.eu>
 <a6318b5c9bb42cc4953c2e374a0d3063.squirrel@parlementum.net>
 <20111117214910.GN2011@ponape.bal> <4EC5FADB.8020201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111118131219.GB26175@t67.eu>

I would do it but I don't have the necessary access to that server. I can push
stuff to git but I don't know how to log in.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 05:27:39PM +1100, Brendan Tildesley wrote:
> On 18/11/11 08:49, Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> >El 17/11/11 12:35, cer at parlementum.net dijo:
> >>
> >>I'm fine with it too!
> >>>I'm fine with it.
> >hey cool, could one of you post something along this lines? i'm currently busy
> >with endefensadelsl.org :)
> >
> Fix up the mailing list link too while your at it :)
> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Fri Nov 18 19:07:02 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:07:02 -0300
Subject: [Dev] tinc for x86_64
Message-ID: <20111118190702.GZ2011@ponape.bal>

could a nice guy package it for x86_64?

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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http://endefensadelsl.org

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From joe at t67.eu  Sun Nov 20 11:04:47 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:04:47 +0000
Subject: [Dev] where is the cookies?
In-Reply-To: <1321754638.10003.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1321661416.17370.4.camel@localhost.localdomain>
 <20111119092814.GD26175@t67.eu>
 <1321754638.10003.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20111120110447.GB20433@t67.eu>

> done, I'm in :).
> we have to post it in the parabola front page :). can you make the
> spanish lenguage available?, not all users can talk english :)

OK I think I've made spanish available but I've never used mailman multiple
language settings before and I've no idea how it works.


From repo at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Nov 20 15:20:01 2011
From: repo at parabolagnulinux.org (Cron Daemon)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:20:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cron <repo@repo> echo test haha fauno is a faunoob haha Noobolás Gaynolds
Message-ID: <20111120152001.7076026E115@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>

test haha fauno is a faunoob haha Noobol??s Gaynolds


From joe at t67.eu  Sun Nov 20 15:24:10 2011
From: joe at t67.eu (Joseph Graham)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Dev]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Cron_=3Crepo=40repo=3E_echo_test_haha_fauno_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?is_a_faunoob_haha_Noobol=E1s_Gaynolds?=
In-Reply-To: <20111120152001.7076026E115@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>
References: <20111120152001.7076026E115@mail.parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <20111120152410.GA30810@t67.eu>

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 07:20:01AM -0800, Cron Daemon wrote:
> test haha fauno is a faunoob haha Noobol??s Gaynolds

> _______________________________________________
> Dev mailing list
> Dev at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> http://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/dev

sorry I'm just testing our new tecknology for sending cron spam to the list.


From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Nov 21 14:25:16 2011
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:25:16 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Asking for support for a Parabola GNU/Linux-libre mipsel
	port
In-Reply-To: <CA+VYMuYUb6hr8txv_U3do+sxSZn_SdGUmAeY8gaE_44Zsz0kAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101217153842.GW27800@ponape>
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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Freedom Included
<info at freedomincluded.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>wrote:
>
>> El 28/10/11 01:08, Freedom Included dijo:
>> >
>> > Sounds pretty good. Is
>> http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/MIPS_Installation up
>> > to date / working? If so I'll try an install sometime :-)
>>
>> Yes, though the base tarball needs update. We can solve this today anyway
>> :D
>
>
> Sweet! Tell me when the new base tarball is up so I can try an install.
>

Any news on the new base tarball becoming available?


> RMS needs a new backup Yeeloong, so I'm thinking I'll give the test
> install to him so he can take a look at the 2nd Libre GNU/Linux distro to
> run on it.
>
> Cheers,
> -Danny
>
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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Nov 21 16:24:51 2011
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:24:51 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Asking for support for a Parabola GNU/Linux-libre mipsel
	port
In-Reply-To: <CA+VYMuYMs=k-SpvLirFT1=4pVG=Y+6L5RzeArbqfUFAao7UEtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (Daniel Clark's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:25:16 -0500")
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Message-ID: <87ty5x78a4.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Any news on the new base tarball becoming available?

There was a test base tarball with an important problem: using /lib or
/lib32 for various packages broke initrd and many programs unless
manually configured.  This can be fixed by rebuilding less than fifty
packages, so it shouldn't take more than few days (although there are
more packages not in the tarball needing rebuild for this).

Another problem is that editors typically used for after-installation
configuration (nano or zile) disappeared from the repository.
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From dclark at pobox.com  Mon Nov 21 16:26:26 2011
From: dclark at pobox.com (Daniel Clark)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Asking for support for a Parabola GNU/Linux-libre mipsel
	port
In-Reply-To: <87ty5x78a4.fsf@mtjm.eu>
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu> wrote:

> > Any news on the new base tarball becoming available?
>
> There was a test base tarball with an important problem: using /lib or
> /lib32 for various packages broke initrd and many programs unless
> manually configured.  This can be fixed by rebuilding less than fifty
> packages, so it shouldn't take more than few days (although there are
> more packages not in the tarball needing rebuild for this).
>
> Another problem is that editors typically used for after-installation
> configuration (nano or zile) disappeared from the repository.
>

Cool, I'll hurry up and wait another week :-)
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov 24 03:53:48 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:53:48 -0300
Subject: [Dev] ~fauno/notmuch-0.10
Message-ID: <20111124035348.GL2011@ponape.bal>

encyclomundi, would you package it for x86_64? the problem with the python
bindings is solved now :)

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov 24 11:39:55 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:39:55 -0300
Subject: [Dev] libre/linux-libre-3.1.2-1
Message-ID: <20111124113955.GN2011@ponape.bal>

x86_64 ?

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Thu Nov 24 14:43:46 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:43:46 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Reply-to-list please Re:  libre/linux-libre-3.1.2-1
In-Reply-To: <87fwhdk3dj.fsf@bob.home>
References: <20111124113955.GN2011@ponape.bal>
 <87fwhdk3dj.fsf@bob.home>
Message-ID: <20111124144346.GR2011@ponape.bal>

break ALL the RFCs!

El 24/11/11 03:21, Aurelien Desbrieres dijo:
> Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:
> 
> > x86_64 ?
> 
> build on the run ...
> 
> -- 
> Aurelien Desbrieres - Free Software Evangelist
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
> Freedom is not just a word, it's a duty!
> Animateur P at m-Sarte - mail under GNU gfdl v1.3 license
> 

-- 
Salud!
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omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Nov 24 15:16:10 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:16:10 +0000
Subject: [Dev] =?utf-8?q?=5Bissue234=5D_Ya_no_arranca_desde_apag=C3=B3n?=
Message-ID: <1322147770.64.0.582686531395.issue234@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

...

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From ice.cube at gmx.com  Thu Nov 24 16:44:46 2011
From: ice.cube at gmx.com (ice.cube at gmx.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:44:46 +0100
Subject: [Dev] libre/linux-libre-3.1.2-1
In-Reply-To: <20111124113955.GN2011@ponape.bal> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=A1s?=
 Reynolds"'s message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:39:55 -0300")
References: <20111124113955.GN2011@ponape.bal>
Message-ID: <87fwhdfp1d.fsf@bob.home>

Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar> writes:

> x86_64 ?

build on the run ...

-- 
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http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Aurelien
Freedom is not just a word, it's a duty!
Animateur P at m-Sarte - mail under GNU gfdl v1.3 license


From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Thu Nov 24 17:39:02 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Nicol=C3=A1s_Reynolds_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:39:02 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue100] [mips port] update base tarball
In-Reply-To: <1302706780.79.0.942424380407.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1322156342.14.0.472223766285.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>


Nicol?s Reynolds added the comment:

mtjm, please post the list of the package that need rebuild so we can update the
base tarball.

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title: [mips port] work on an installable medium -> [mips port] update base tarball

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 25 04:55:05 2011
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:55:05 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: My info for /hackers
References: <87vcqxp04o.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <871usw3iom.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

Fauno said I should forward this here.

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From bugs at parabolagnulinux.org  Sun Nov 27 21:09:33 2011
From: bugs at parabolagnulinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski_=28Parabola_Issue_Tracker=29?=)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:09:33 +0000
Subject: [Dev] [issue100] [mips port] update base tarball
In-Reply-To: <1302706780.79.0.942424380407.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>
Message-ID: <1322428173.04.0.256196449465.issue100@parabolagnulinux.org>


Micha? Mas?owski added the comment:

http://mtjm.eu/patches/mips64el-lib32.log is the output of my script (available
from http://hg.mtjm.eu/scan-lib32/).  There probably are newer releases of some
packages, they are nearly certainly fixed.

None of them is used in the base tarball which is available at
http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base-20111126.tar.bz2 with GPG
signature at http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/mips64el/base-20111126.tar.bz2.sig
and needs testing (the wiki page also needs updating if this tarball works).

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<https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue100>
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Mon Nov 28 17:29:12 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:29:12 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNUzilla future
Message-ID: <20111128172912.GH2011@ponape.bal>

----- Forwarded message from Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano at gnu.org> -----

> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:52:00 +0100
> From: Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano at gnu.org>
> To: bug-gnuzilla at gnu.org
> Cc: karl at freefriends.org
> Subject: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNUzilla future
> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux)
> 
> Hello,
> 
> as you have probably noticed, the GNUzilla development is going very
> slow and that is all my fault, I have become very lazy at it and
> honestly speaking I am afraid I have lost some on the initial interest I
> had.
> 
> We have started as a completely free variant of Mozilla Firefox, and to
> some extent we have succeeded, I am not sure if this project had any
> influence but now Firefox, except for suggesting free addons/plugins is
> free software.
> 
> Our goal now is slightly different, we aim to be a privacy oriented
> browser and offer users a better solution in that sense.
> 
> I think the project deserves more than what I could offer lately and the
> TODO list at this point is quite big, is someone interested to
> contribute actively to its development or co-maintain it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Giuseppe
> 
> --
> http://gnuzilla.gnu.org
> 

----- End forwarded message -----

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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:11:38 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:11:38 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
Message-ID: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I'm interested in setting up a mirror for Parabola in Europe.

Fauno told me in IRC that I should expect about 100GB of disk space,
but he never managed to summon n1md4 while I was online, who might
know about the traffic requirements.

Does anyone know how much traffic should be expected for a Parabola mirror?

Thanks for your help,

Johannes (johkra)


From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 16:17:23 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
Message-ID: <CAExEt2JEV46YOr9Wnf8+3u_8D-Hx3T3fntsAUXsxTV6iH3g6wA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
parabolaweb and I published the results at
https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .

I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?

Thanks,

Johannes

[1] https://bugs.parabolagnulinux.org/bugs/issue210


From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Nov 29 17:12:39 2011
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:12:39 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (Johannes Krampf's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:11:38 +0100")
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> I'm interested in setting up a mirror for Parabola in Europe.

Our current mirror (repo.parabolagnulinux.org) is hosted in the UK, so
it's probably near.

> Fauno told me in IRC that I should expect about 100GB of disk space,
> but he never managed to summon n1md4 while I was online, who might
> know about the traffic requirements.
>
> Does anyone know how much traffic should be expected for a Parabola mirror?

Probably only n1md4 knows this.
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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 29 17:25:58 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:25:58 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20111129172558.GQ2011@ponape.bal>

El 29/11/11 06:12, Micha? Mas?owski dijo:
> > I'm interested in setting up a mirror for Parabola in Europe.
> 
> Our current mirror (repo.parabolagnulinux.org) is hosted in the UK, so
> it's probably near.
> 
> > Fauno told me in IRC that I should expect about 100GB of disk space,
> > but he never managed to summon n1md4 while I was online, who might
> > know about the traffic requirements.
> >
> > Does anyone know how much traffic should be expected for a Parabola mirror?
> 
> Probably only n1md4 knows this.

would a traffic monitor conflict with our "don't track users" policy? a general
graph of bandwidth usage would be ok i think.


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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 17:28:34 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:28:34 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <CAExEt2JWF8xT03JFPE4PHEtzt5HPUf5HO8Yqfc+J-XsA7aP-JA@mail.gmail.com>

2011/11/29 Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu>:
>> I'm interested in setting up a mirror for Parabola in Europe.
>
> Our current mirror (repo.parabolagnulinux.org) is hosted in the UK, so
> it's probably near.
>
>> Fauno told me in IRC that I should expect about 100GB of disk space,
>> but he never managed to summon n1md4 while I was online, who might
>> know about the traffic requirements.
>>
>> Does anyone know how much traffic should be expected for a Parabola mirror?
>
> Probably only n1md4 knows this.

Thanks for your answer Michal. Do you think it would make sense to set
up a third mirror (in Europe)?

I got the idea because there are only two mirrors in my mirrorlist and
I got "slow" downloads (1-2MB/s instead of 8 or 9) at my location in
Southern Switzerland.

When I had a look at server prices, I found a reasonable 50?/month
offer [1] with 100MBit/s until 10TB transfer per month which I would
be willing to donate. But since I never worked with a downloading
server before, I have no idea what requirements a mirror has.

Nicol?s: ifconfig will also show the transfered bytes since the last
reboot, this might help to get an rough estimate.

[1] http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 29 17:56:07 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:56:07 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2JEV46YOr9Wnf8+3u_8D-Hx3T3fntsAUXsxTV6iH3g6wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExEt2JEV46YOr9Wnf8+3u_8D-Hx3T3fntsAUXsxTV6iH3g6wA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111129175607.GS2011@ponape.bal>

El 29/11/11 05:17, Johannes Krampf dijo:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
> parabolaweb and I published the results at
> https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .
> 
> I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
> in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?

great! can you test it locally? otherwise i can pull your changes after
thursday...

-- 
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omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Tue Nov 29 18:04:40 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:04:40 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2JWF8xT03JFPE4PHEtzt5HPUf5HO8Yqfc+J-XsA7aP-JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <CAExEt2JWF8xT03JFPE4PHEtzt5HPUf5HO8Yqfc+J-XsA7aP-JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111129180440.GT2011@ponape.bal>

El 29/11/11 06:28, Johannes Krampf dijo:
> 2011/11/29 Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu>:
> >> I'm interested in setting up a mirror for Parabola in Europe.
> >
> > Our current mirror (repo.parabolagnulinux.org) is hosted in the UK, so
> > it's probably near.
> >
> >> Fauno told me in IRC that I should expect about 100GB of disk space,
> >> but he never managed to summon n1md4 while I was online, who might
> >> know about the traffic requirements.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how much traffic should be expected for a Parabola mirror?
> >
> > Probably only n1md4 knows this.
> 
> Thanks for your answer Michal. Do you think it would make sense to set
> up a third mirror (in Europe)?
> 
> I got the idea because there are only two mirrors in my mirrorlist and
> I got "slow" downloads (1-2MB/s instead of 8 or 9) at my location in
> Southern Switzerland.
> 
> When I had a look at server prices, I found a reasonable 50?/month
> offer [1] with 100MBit/s until 10TB transfer per month which I would
> be willing to donate. But since I never worked with a downloading
> server before, I have no idea what requirements a mirror has.
> 
> Nicol?s: ifconfig will also show the transfered bytes since the last
> reboot, this might help to get an rough estimate.

http://pastie.org/private/mpauzwjef7m2es2qeccwa

-- 
Salud!
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omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

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From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Tue Nov 29 18:07:21 2011
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:07:21 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2JWF8xT03JFPE4PHEtzt5HPUf5HO8Yqfc+J-XsA7aP-JA@mail.gmail.com>
 (Johannes Krampf's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:28:34 +0100")
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <87ipm2g5uu.fsf@mtjm.eu>

> Thanks for your answer Michal. Do you think it would make sense to set
> up a third mirror (in Europe)?
>
> I got the idea because there are only two mirrors in my mirrorlist and
> I got "slow" downloads (1-2MB/s instead of 8 or 9) at my location in
> Southern Switzerland.

For me such downloads would be fast.  It's 1-2 MB/s for big packages
like nexuiz-data?

> When I had a look at server prices, I found a reasonable 50?/month
> offer [1] with 100MBit/s until 10TB transfer per month which I would
> be willing to donate. But since I never worked with a downloading
> server before, I have no idea what requirements a mirror has.

I never administered a server with more than about 50 GiB of monthly
transfer, a small VPS could be enough in such case (but it might have
limited speed below 100 Mbps).

> Nicol?s: ifconfig will also show the transfered bytes since the last
> reboot, this might help to get an rough estimate.

It shows bytes transfered since the interface was configured, so it's
probably an underestimate.  It shows 3.3 GiB of received packets and 3.2
GiB of packets sent, while the server is running for 80 days.

> [1] http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4
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From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 18:58:35 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:58:35 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
In-Reply-To: <20111129175607.GS2011@ponape.bal>
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Message-ID: <CAExEt2LDFG4JGQ_GjA-=sn7EkOY8PbKMYjs+BShr=Q8v-YDSRg@mail.gmail.com>

2011/11/29 Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>:
> El 29/11/11 05:17, Johannes Krampf dijo:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
>> parabolaweb and I published the results at
>> https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .
>>
>> I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
>> in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?
>
> great! can you test it locally? otherwise i can pull your changes after
> thursday...

I have *not* tested it well enough. I suffered from
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23228 and couldn't load the fixtures
to test with data. I tested the rest by clicking through the pages and
checking links.

Since I'm not very experienced with Django and the error message is
not concrete enough, I do not understand what exactly is going wrong.
I actually hoped you might know more about this. Do you?


From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 29 19:32:42 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:32:42 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Requirements for an (European) mirror?
In-Reply-To: <87ipm2g5uu.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <CAExEt2LjH90g03M6--_dLbP6sQhwixBvj9iMf=9tDi=u+rukGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <87mxbeg8e0.fsf@mtjm.eu>
 <CAExEt2JWF8xT03JFPE4PHEtzt5HPUf5HO8Yqfc+J-XsA7aP-JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <87ipm2g5uu.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <CAExEt2JupU+xoqMEHRPfR=8CWVh8Qw8xh_3uqqP39VEBr57Ktg@mail.gmail.com>

2011/11/29 Micha? Mas?owski <mtjm at mtjm.eu>:
>> Thanks for your answer Michal. Do you think it would make sense to set
>> up a third mirror (in Europe)?
>>
>> I got the idea because there are only two mirrors in my mirrorlist and
>> I got "slow" downloads (1-2MB/s instead of 8 or 9) at my location in
>> Southern Switzerland.
>
> For me such downloads would be fast. ?It's 1-2 MB/s for big packages
> like nexuiz-data?

I made a quick test using wget and got 7MB/s when downloading the
kernel from puzzle and 3MB/s from the parabola repo. The first value
was increasing whereas the second was slowing down from an initial
5MB/s.

Don't get me wrong - It's still very fast and absolutely no problem, I
was just surprised to see this speed after getting used to the fast
connection.

>> When I had a look at server prices, I found a reasonable 50?/month
>> offer [1] with 100MBit/s until 10TB transfer per month which I would
>> be willing to donate. But since I never worked with a downloading
>> server before, I have no idea what requirements a mirror has.
>
> I never administered a server with more than about 50 GiB of monthly
> transfer, a small VPS could be enough in such case (but it might have
> limited speed below 100 Mbps).
>
>> Nicol?s: ifconfig will also show the transfered bytes since the last
>> reboot, this might help to get an rough estimate.
>
> It shows bytes transfered since the interface was configured, so it's
> probably an underestimate. ?It shows 3.3 GiB of received packets and 3.2
> GiB of packets sent, while the server is running for 80 days.
>
>> [1] http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4

OK, if these are indeed the correct values, I'm not sure if it makes
sense to get such a powerful server for a new mirror or if it makes
sense to get a further mirror _server_ at all.

A pay-as-you go model such as Amazon S3 or MS Azure CDN might be
interesting here. Mostly because I always wanted to work with such a
system, but also because it should provide the fastest downloads while
still being very inexpensive for such little data.

What do you think?


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Nov 30 00:31:52 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:31:52 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Fwd: [CAcert.org] Changes at CAcert
Message-ID: <20111130003152.GB2011@ponape.bal>

----- Forwarded message from mailing at cacert.org -----

> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:48:56 +0100 (CET)
> From: mailing at cacert.org
> To: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
> Subject: [CAcert.org] Changes at CAcert
> X-Mailer: CAcert.org Website
> 
> Hello Nicol?s Reynolds,
> 
> we are proud to announce recent changes in the CAcert website.
> 
> Although there have been quite a few changes in the past, mostly they have
> happened "behind the scenes". Today we can announce more visible changes:
> 
> 
> 1. Change to My Points page
> 
> The Point list in the menu under "My Details" -> "My Points" will be
> enhanced. Main Point is: The Assurance Points received and given will be
> allocated in a new way. The crucial point was the working total of
> Assurance Points allocated to the Assuree.  Previously, only the beneficial
> points were displayed, and points allocated in Assurances were rounded down
> if in excess of 100.
> 
> From now on, all allocated points are displayed. The Assuree can still only
> benefit up to a maximum of 100 Assurance Points.  As an Assurer, the member
> may benefit up to a maximum of 50 Experience Points by assuring other
> members. The new list will display the calculation much more transparently.
> Please have a look at the new points listing at
> https://www.cacert.org/wot.php?id=15
> 
> 
> 2. Tverify points revoked
> 
> Along with this change, all points allocated under the old Tverify program
> will be revoked in the near future. The Tverify program to transfer points
> allocated by Thawte Notaries across to CAcert members was stopped sometime
> ago. Tverify points cannot be verified by CAcert (for example, they cannot
> be distinguished between the different Notaries), and therefore, these
> points will be revoked soon. If you are unsure about your level of
> assurance, we recommend that you seek further assurance from CAcert
> Assurers.
> 
> By performing these measures, we take another step towards a successful
> audit. Passing the audit is an important building block to be accepted as a
> CA in the internet browsers.
> 
> 
> 3. Check your Alert Settings
> 
> We would like to advise you of another important fact: In the future, we
> intend to send you further newsletters with our most important news, every
> few months. This present newsletter is being sent to all CAcert Community
> Member in a one-off mailing. For the future, please check your settings
> online at www.cacert.org under "My Details" -> "My Alert Settings" or at
> https://www.cacert.org/account.php?id=36 and choose which newsletters you
> want to receive. In the future, we intend to rely on your settings so as to
> send our newsletter only to those who wish to receive the specified
> information.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Alexander Bahlo
> Officer for Public Relations
> CAcert.org
> 
> Further information on the New Points counting:
> https://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/NewPointsCount
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anunciamos con orgullo los recientes cambios en el sitio web de Cacert
> 
> Aunque ha habido algunos cambios en el pasado, muchos de ellos han tenido
> lugar ?tras bambalinas?. Hoy, podemos anunciar cambios m?s visibles:
> 
> 
> 1. Cambios en la p?gina ?Mis Puntos?
> 
> La lista de puntos en la opci?n del men? ?Mis Datos? ? ?Mis
> puntos? ha sido mejorada. El cambio principal es que los Puntos de
> Seguridad recibidos y emitidos ser?n mostrados bajo un nuevo esquema. Lo
> m?s destacado se encuentra en los Puntos de Seguridad asignados al
> Asegurado. Anteriormente, s?lo los puntos obtenidos eran mostrados, y los
> puntos asignados en Certificaciones eran redondeadas a la baja si superaban
> los 100 puntos.
> 
> A partir de ahora, se mostrar?n todos los puntos asignados. El Asegurado
> a?n puede beneficiarse solamente de un m?ximo de 100 Puntos de Seguridad.
> Como Asegurador, el miembro puede beneficiarse hasta un m?ximo de 50
> puntos de experiencia al asegurar a otros miembros. El nuevo formato
> mostrar? la disposici?n de una forma mucho m?s transparente. Por favor,
> dele un vistazo a la nueva lista de puntos en
> https://www.cacert.org/wot.php?id=15
> 
> 
> 2. Revocaci?n de los puntos Tverify
> 
> En el conjunto de cambios, todos los puntos asignados mediante el viejo
> programa Tverify ser?n revocados en un futuro cercano. El programa Tverify
> para transferir los puntos asignados por Notarios de Thawte a miembros de
> Cacert fue detenido hace alg?n tiempo. Los puntos Tverify no pueden ser
> verificados por Cacert (por ejemplo, no se pueden distinguir los puntos
> emitidos por diferente notarios), y por lo tanto, dichos puntos ser?n
> revocados en breve.  Si no est? seguro acerca de su nivel de seguridad,
> recomendamos que aumente su nivel de seguridad a trav?s de los
> Aseguradores de Cacert.
> 
> Aplicando ?stas medidas, damos otro paso hacia una auditor?a exitosa.
> Superar la auditor?a es un elemento importante para ser aceptado como un
> CA (Autoridad de Certificaci?n) en los navegadores de internet.
> 
> 
> 3. Actualice su configuraci?n en la p?gina ?Mi Configuraci?n de
> Alertas?
> 
> Nos gustar?a avisarle de otro hecho importante: En el futuro, tenemos la
> intenci?n de enviar m?s boletines informativos con nuestras novedades y/o
> noticias m?s importantes cada pocos meses. Este bolet?n est? siendo
> enviado en un ?nico correo a todos los miembros de la comunidad CAcert.
> Para futuros env?os, le rogamos que revise su configuraci?n en
> www.cacert.org en la opci?n de men? "Mis Datos" ? "Mi Configuraci?n de
> Alertas" o en  https://www.cacert.org/account.php?id=36 y seleccione la
> listas que desea recibir. Tenemos la intenci?n de utilizar su
> configuraci?n para enviar solo la informaci?n que desee recibir.
> 
> 
> Saludos,
> Alexander Bahlo
> Officer for Public Relations
> CAcert.org
> 
> Para m?s informaci?n sobre la nueva cuenta de puntos
> https://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/NewPointsCount
> 

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Salud!
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omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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http://endefensadelsl.org

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 30 02:41:02 2011
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
In-Reply-To: <CAExEt2LDFG4JGQ_GjA-=sn7EkOY8PbKMYjs+BShr=Q8v-YDSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExEt2JEV46YOr9Wnf8+3u_8D-Hx3T3fntsAUXsxTV6iH3g6wA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111129175607.GS2011@ponape.bal>
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Message-ID: <87obvuwcw1.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:58:35 +0100,
Johannes Krampf wrote:
> 2011/11/29 Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>:
> > El 29/11/11 05:17, Johannes Krampf dijo:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
> >> parabolaweb and I published the results at
> >> https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .
> >>
> >> I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
> >> in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?
> >
> > great! can you test it locally? otherwise i can pull your changes after
> > thursday...
> 
> I have *not* tested it well enough. I suffered from
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23228 and couldn't load the fixtures
> to test with data. I tested the rest by clicking through the pages and
> checking links.
> 
> Since I'm not very experienced with Django and the error message is
> not concrete enough, I do not understand what exactly is going wrong.
> I actually hoped you might know more about this. Do you?

Even setting up the old version, I get that error too. Also, it (the
old version) 404s on "/media/*".

So, I have not really been able to test it, but I've added 2 commits.
The first is a bunch of whitespace changes to make future merging
cleaner.
The second is to remove bin/ and lib/, which are set up by virtualenv;
surely we don't want to track those.

https://gitorious.org/parabolaweb/parabolaweb

~ Luke Shumaker


From fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar  Wed Nov 30 14:04:35 2011
From: fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar (=?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=A1s?= Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:04:35 -0300
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
In-Reply-To: <87obvuwcw1.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
References: <CAExEt2JEV46YOr9Wnf8+3u_8D-Hx3T3fntsAUXsxTV6iH3g6wA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111129175607.GS2011@ponape.bal>
 <CAExEt2LDFG4JGQ_GjA-=sn7EkOY8PbKMYjs+BShr=Q8v-YDSRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <87obvuwcw1.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20111130140435.GD2011@ponape.bal>

El 29/11/11 09:41, Luke T.Shumaker dijo:
> At Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:58:35 +0100,
> Johannes Krampf wrote:
> > 2011/11/29 Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>:
> > > El 29/11/11 05:17, Johannes Krampf dijo:
> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >>
> > >> these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
> > >> parabolaweb and I published the results at
> > >> https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .
> > >>
> > >> I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
> > >> in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?
> > >
> > > great! can you test it locally? otherwise i can pull your changes after
> > > thursday...
> > 
> > I have *not* tested it well enough. I suffered from
> > https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23228 and couldn't load the fixtures
> > to test with data. I tested the rest by clicking through the pages and
> > checking links.
> > 
> > Since I'm not very experienced with Django and the error message is
> > not concrete enough, I do not understand what exactly is going wrong.
> > I actually hoped you might know more about this. Do you?
> 
> Even setting up the old version, I get that error too. Also, it (the
> old version) 404s on "/media/*".
> 
> So, I have not really been able to test it, but I've added 2 commits.
> The first is a bunch of whitespace changes to make future merging
> cleaner.
> The second is to remove bin/ and lib/, which are set up by virtualenv;
> surely we don't want to track those.
> 
> https://gitorious.org/parabolaweb/parabolaweb

i recommend both of you to test it with sqlite3. we're using postgresql on the
server. this because luke had problems with mysql...

-- 
Salud!
Nicol?s Reynolds,
xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
omb:http://identi.ca/fauno

OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2

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http://endefensadelsl.org

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From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 30 22:41:14 2011
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
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Message-ID: <87hb1lw7w5.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net>

At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:04:35 -0300,
Nicol?s Reynolds wrote:
> 
> [1  <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
> El 29/11/11 09:41, Luke T.Shumaker dijo:
> > At Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:58:35 +0100,
> > Johannes Krampf wrote:
> > > 2011/11/29 Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>:
> > > > El 29/11/11 05:17, Johannes Krampf dijo:
> > > >> Hello everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> these days I finally managed to merge changes from archweb to
> > > >> parabolaweb and I published the results at
> > > >> https://www.johkra.net/gitweb/ .
> > > >>
> > > >> I would like to help bringing this work forward and hopefully result
> > > >> in resolving issue 210 [1]. How could I provide further help?
> > > >
> > > > great! can you test it locally? otherwise i can pull your changes after
> > > > thursday...
> > > 
> > > I have *not* tested it well enough. I suffered from
> > > https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23228 and couldn't load the fixtures
> > > to test with data. I tested the rest by clicking through the pages and
> > > checking links.
> > > 
> > > Since I'm not very experienced with Django and the error message is
> > > not concrete enough, I do not understand what exactly is going wrong.
> > > I actually hoped you might know more about this. Do you?
> > 
> > Even setting up the old version, I get that error too. Also, it (the
> > old version) 404s on "/media/*".
> > 
> > So, I have not really been able to test it, but I've added 2 commits.
> > The first is a bunch of whitespace changes to make future merging
> > cleaner.
> > The second is to remove bin/ and lib/, which are set up by virtualenv;
> > surely we don't want to track those.
> > 
> > https://gitorious.org/parabolaweb/parabolaweb
> 
> i recommend both of you to test it with sqlite3. we're using postgresql on the
> server. this because luke had problems with mysql...

So far I've had tried (and had errors with)
 * MySQL/InnoDB (won't work, will require patch if we want it to)
 * MySQL/MyISAM (mostly works, idk why)
 * sqlite3 (doesn't work, idk why)

To clarify/document:

Parabolaweb does not work with MySQL InnoDB. (Which is odd, because
the local_settings.py.example distributed with archweb explicitly sets
the engine to InnoDB)

Running `./manage.py migrate` will raise an error `1005' (Couldn't
create table) with an errno 121. Errno 121 is undocumented, but
appears to be related to validating references. 

This is easily remedied by switching MySQL to MyISAM or another
engine.
    DATABASES = {
        'default': {
            'ENGINE'  : 'django.db.backends.mysql',
            ...
            'OPTIONS' : {'init_command': 'SET storage_engine=MyISAM'},
        },
    }

After some research, this is my analysis of what is causing the issue,
but I may be wrong:

This is because InnoDB does some more advanced things with
references. This is normally identified as a feature.

However, this causes a bug in Django < 1.4. (parabolaweb/archweb use
Django 1.3)

From the Django documentation:
> In previous versions of Django, fixtures with forward references
> (i.e. relations to rows that have not yet been inserted into the
> database) would fail to load when using the InnoDB storage
> engine. This was due to the fact that InnoDB deviates from the SQL
> standard by checking foreign key constraints immediately instead of
> deferring the check until the transaction is committed. This problem
> has been resolved in Django 1.4. Fixture data is now loaded with
> foreign key checks turned off; foreign key checks are then
> re-enabled when the data has finished loading, at which point the
> entire table is checked for invalid foreign key references and an
> IntegrityError is raised if any are found.

Which appears to exactly describe the error I was having.

After switching to MySQL MyISAM I got farther.
I ran into the same problem that Johannes did
(https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23228),
By replacing the command
 $ ./manage.py loaddata */fixtures/*.json
with
 $ for file in */fixtures/*.json; do ./manage.py loaddata $file; done
in order to still load all the other fixtures.

From there the only problem seemed to be that '/media/*' URLs (static
files) would 404. I'd now guess that this is caused by something
misconfigured in local_settings.py, not an external dependency.

When I tried with sqlite3, setting it up was identical to setting it
up with MySQL MyISAM. However, when I ran the server I got 500 (server
error). It would print a stack trace (attatched), but tl;dr:
> ViewDoesNotExist: Could not import packages.views. Error was: cannot
> import name SignoffSpecification 

Happy Hacking!
~ Luke Shumaker


From lukeshu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 30 22:46:25 2011
From: lukeshu at sbcglobal.net (Luke T.Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
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At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:41:14 -0500,
Luke T.Shumaker wrote:
> When I tried with sqlite3, setting it up was identical to setting it
> up with MySQL MyISAM. However, when I ran the server I got 500 (server
> error). It would print a stack trace (attatched), but tl;dr:
> > ViewDoesNotExist: Could not import packages.views. Error was: cannot
> > import name SignoffSpecification 

Oops, I forgot to attatch the file

~ Luke Shumaker

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Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 283, in run
    self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/contrib/staticfiles/handlers.py", line 68, in __call__
    return self.application(environ, start_response)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 272, in __call__
    response = self.get_response(request)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 169, in get_response
    response = self.handle_uncaught_exception(request, resolver, sys.exc_info())

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 218, in handle_uncaught_exception
    return callback(request, **param_dict)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 93, in _wrapped_view
    response = view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/defaults.py", line 31, in server_error
    return http.HttpResponseServerError(t.render(Context({})))

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 123, in render
    return self._render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 117, in _render
    return self.nodelist.render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 744, in render
    bits.append(self.render_node(node, context))

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 757, in render_node
    return node.render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 127, in render
    return compiled_parent._render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 117, in _render
    return self.nodelist.render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 744, in render
    bits.append(self.render_node(node, context))

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 757, in render_node
    return node.render(context)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 437, in render
    url = reverse(view_name, args=args, kwargs=kwargs, current_app=context.current_app)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 391, in reverse
    *args, **kwargs)))

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 312, in reverse
    possibilities = self.reverse_dict.getlist(lookup_view)

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 229, in _get_reverse_dict
    self._populate()

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 220, in _populate
    lookups.appendlist(pattern.callback, (bits, p_pattern))

  File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 167, in _get_callback
    raise ViewDoesNotExist("Could not import %s. Error was: %s" % (mod_name, str(e)))

ViewDoesNotExist: Could not import packages.views. Error was: cannot import name SignoffSpecification

From johannes.krampf at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 30 23:00:07 2011
From: johannes.krampf at googlemail.com (Johannes Krampf)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:00:07 +0100
Subject: [Dev] Update of web site code (parabolaweb)
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Just a short note: If you set debug to True in local settings, media
URLs should work automatically.

My tests were done with sqlite3, I got the same errors with innodb as
Luke. I haven't tried with postgres or myisam. I could successfully
run the server, but I had no fixtures loaded for my limited tests.

2011/11/30 Luke T.Shumaker <lukeshu at sbcglobal.net>:
> At Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:41:14 -0500,
> Luke T.Shumaker wrote:
>> When I tried with sqlite3, setting it up was identical to setting it
>> up with MySQL MyISAM. However, when I ran the server I got 500 (server
>> error). It would print a stack trace (attatched), but tl;dr:
>> > ViewDoesNotExist: Could not import packages.views. Error was: cannot
>> > import name SignoffSpecification
>
> Oops, I forgot to attatch the file
>
> ~ Luke Shumaker
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/servers/basehttp.py", line 283, in run
> ? ?self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/contrib/staticfiles/handlers.py", line 68, in __call__
> ? ?return self.application(environ, start_response)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 272, in __call__
> ? ?response = self.get_response(request)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 169, in get_response
> ? ?response = self.handle_uncaught_exception(request, resolver, sys.exc_info())
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 218, in handle_uncaught_exception
> ? ?return callback(request, **param_dict)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 93, in _wrapped_view
> ? ?response = view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/defaults.py", line 31, in server_error
> ? ?return http.HttpResponseServerError(t.render(Context({})))
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 123, in render
> ? ?return self._render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 117, in _render
> ? ?return self.nodelist.render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 744, in render
> ? ?bits.append(self.render_node(node, context))
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 757, in render_node
> ? ?return node.render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 127, in render
> ? ?return compiled_parent._render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 117, in _render
> ? ?return self.nodelist.render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 744, in render
> ? ?bits.append(self.render_node(node, context))
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 757, in render_node
> ? ?return node.render(context)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 437, in render
> ? ?url = reverse(view_name, args=args, kwargs=kwargs, current_app=context.current_app)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 391, in reverse
> ? ?*args, **kwargs)))
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 312, in reverse
> ? ?possibilities = self.reverse_dict.getlist(lookup_view)
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 229, in _get_reverse_dict
> ? ?self._populate()
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 220, in _populate
> ? ?lookups.appendlist(pattern.callback, (bits, p_pattern))
>
> ?File "/srv/http/web-env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/urlresolvers.py", line 167, in _get_callback
> ? ?raise ViewDoesNotExist("Could not import %s. Error was: %s" % (mod_name, str(e)))
>
> ViewDoesNotExist: Could not import packages.views. Error was: cannot import name SignoffSpecification
>


From info at freedomincluded.com  Tue Nov  1 21:44:00 2011
From: info at freedomincluded.com (Freedom Included)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:44:00 -0000
Subject: [Dev] Asking for support for a Parabola GNU/Linux-libre mipsel
	port
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nicol?s Reynolds <fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar>wrote:

> El 28/10/11 01:08, Freedom Included dijo:
> >
> > Sounds pretty good. Is
> http://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/MIPS_Installation up
> > to date / working? If so I'll try an install sometime :-)
>
> Yes, though the base tarball needs update. We can solve this today anyway
> :D


Sweet! Tell me when the new base tarball is up so I can try an install.

RMS needs a new backup Yeeloong, so I'm thinking I'll give the test install
to him so he can take a look at the 2nd Libre GNU/Linux distro to run on it.

Cheers,
-Danny
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From cer at encyclomundi.org  Fri Nov 18 19:57:04 2011
From: cer at encyclomundi.org (Charles Roth)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:57:04 -0000
Subject: [Dev] tinc for x86_64
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DONE


On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 04:07:02PM -0300, fauno wrote:
> could a nice guy package it for x86_64?
> 
> -- 
> Salud!
> Nicol?s Reynolds,
> xmpp:fauno at kiwwwi.com.ar
> omb:http://identi.ca/fauno
> 
> OTR: C0CB1F0F 01DB5E18 2D634C2A A4626858 E7C7C3A2
> 
> http://parabolagnulinux.org
> http://endefensadelsl.org
> 
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