From 0d0acre at esiliati.org Sat Feb 8 00:59:21 2020 From: 0d0acre at esiliati.org (0d0acre at esiliati.org) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 01:59:21 +0100 Subject: [Assist] VSCode - Package Request Message-ID: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> Hi to all of you guys! I know that probably you receive a lot of package requests so i'm sorry for add another one to the list! I would like to that myself but i don't know some things... How does your-freedom block other packages? I search and found little documentation about that. I was trying to install vscodium-bin (from AUR) your-freedom doesn't allow me to install vscodium-bin, but this binaries are free (https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#install-on-arch-linux)! I'm probably missing something, but if someone could explain me how your-freedom does its thing i could help! Thank you a lot for all of your work, Parabola is amazing! 0d0acre From freemor at freemor.ca Sat Feb 8 01:23:18 2020 From: freemor at freemor.ca (Freemor) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 21:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Assist] VSCode - Package Request In-Reply-To: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> References: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> Message-ID: <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 01:59:21AM +0100, 0d0acre at esiliati.org wrote: > Hi to all of you guys! > > I know that probably you receive a lot of package requests so i'm > sorry for add another one to the list! > I would like to that myself but i don't know some things... VScode has been requested before and denied. See Below > > How does your-freedom block other packages? I search and found > little documentation about that. It blocks them by conflicting with them you can always choose to uninstall "your-freedom". > > I was trying to install vscodium-bin (from AUR) your-freedom doesn't > allow me to install vscodium-bin, but this binaries are free > (https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#install-on-arch-linux)! I'm > probably missing something, but if someone could explain me how > your-freedom does its thing i could help! VScode is based on Electron which is Chromium and has not been proven to be fully free. Until someone(s) does a deep dive through the code and provides an Official ruling on it Chromiun/Electron and all things based on them will be blocked. This has already been discussed on the bug tracker: #2345 (duplicate): [code] depends on electron - https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/2345 I know it sucks when you can not use the editor that you are used to. But perhaps this would be an opportunity to re-evaluate if a browser that is based on a webapp engine (Browser/JS Engine) from Google is really the best choice. Regards -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From freemor at freemor.ca Sat Feb 8 01:54:06 2020 From: freemor at freemor.ca (Freemor) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 21:54:06 -0400 Subject: [Assist] VSCode - Package Request In-Reply-To: <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> References: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> Message-ID: <20200208015406.GB14245@freemor.ca> On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 09:23:18PM -0400, Freemor wrote: > I know it sucks when you can not use the editor that you are used to. But > perhaps this would be an opportunity to re-evaluate if a browser that is based > on a webapp engine (Browser/JS Engine) from Google is really the best choice. "if a browser that is based" should read "if a editor that is based" sorry about that.. In my brain Electron == Browser.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Sat Feb 8 19:44:19 2020 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 14:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Assist] VSCode - Package Request In-Reply-To: <20200208015406.GB14245@freemor.ca> References: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> <20200208015406.GB14245@freemor.ca> Message-ID: <20200208144419.38c2266d@parabola> as a suggestion, 'kate' is an excellent graphical editor for programming i can also add that you would not need to remove 'your-freedom' in order to use blacklisted software - it is very likely that a stand-alone binary is available on the web; and 'your-freedom' could not prevent using that 'your-freedom' is not intended to prevent anyone from using proprietary software - it purpose is to help people avoid installing packages which are known to be non-free (or in this case, not known to be fully free) - if you desire to do so, you always have that option; but you must install them intentionally, in some other way, other than with the system-provided tools From 0d0acre at esiliati.org Mon Feb 10 14:54:26 2020 From: 0d0acre at esiliati.org (0d0acre) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:54:26 +0100 Subject: [Assist] VSCode - Package Request In-Reply-To: <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> References: <912427625999b26df8fa4961a7c85b11@esiliati.org> <20200208012318.GA14245@freemor.ca> Message-ID: <091d2a5e-b5bd-1e59-08c9-6d32191625e4@esiliati.org> Hi Freemor! Yes the main problem is Chromium, i would like to analyze the code but i don't know if i have the necessary c++ knowledge and time to do this... Sadly more and more software are built on electron so i think that liberating chromium will be not necessary but at least comfortable for some people. Thanks for linking the thread, i had not found it. I know it sucks when you can not use the editor that you are used to. But perhaps this would be an opportunity to re-evaluate if a browser that is based on a webapp engine (Browser/JS Engine) from Google is really the best choice. Used different editors until now and recently felt good with vscodium, having a lot of integrations, trying to stop this constant google dependency. Thank you a lot, 0d0acre On 08/02/20 02:23, Freemor wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 01:59:21AM +0100, 0d0acre at esiliati.org wrote: >> Hi to all of you guys! >> >> I know that probably you receive a lot of package requests so i'm >> sorry for add another one to the list! >> I would like to that myself but i don't know some things... > VScode has been requested before and denied. See Below > >> How does your-freedom block other packages? I search and found >> little documentation about that. > It blocks them by conflicting with them you can always choose to uninstall > "your-freedom". > >> I was trying to install vscodium-bin (from AUR) your-freedom doesn't >> allow me to install vscodium-bin, but this binaries are free >> (https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium#install-on-arch-linux)! I'm >> probably missing something, but if someone could explain me how >> your-freedom does its thing i could help! > VScode is based on Electron which is Chromium and has not been proven to be > fully free. Until someone(s) does a deep dive through the code and provides > an Official ruling on it Chromiun/Electron and all things based on them will > be blocked. > > This has already been discussed on the bug tracker: > #2345 (duplicate): [code] depends on electron - > https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/2345 > > > I know it sucks when you can not use the editor that you are used to. But > perhaps this would be an opportunity to re-evaluate if a browser that is based > on a webapp engine (Browser/JS Engine) from Google is really the best choice. > > Regards > > > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: pEpkey.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 2452 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Tue Feb 11 00:36:54 2020 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:36:54 -0500 Subject: [Assist] Fw: VSCode - Package Request In-Reply-To: <20200210192147.2e43f642@parabola> References: <20200210192147.2e43f642@parabola> Message-ID: <20200210193654.7ced7e11@parabola> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:00:43 +0100 0d0acre wrote: > Oh ok so your-freedom has only a blacklist of packages that > must not be installed, right? the blacklist contains names of packages that are in the arch repos - it is not exactly to say that they "must not" be installed - it is more simply that they "can not" be installed - those packages have been deleted from the parabola repos, and pacman will prevent you from installing packages with similar names from any other repos - "you must not", is simply not possible to achieve technically On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:00:43 +0100 0d0acre wrote: > I could install software not through pacman so that > "your-freedom" cannot prevent me doing it. I won't probably > use this way because than the meaning of "your-freedom"? would > vanish. that is correct - in the end, each person must decide for themselves what "i must not do" - 'your-freedom' is only a guide - it works only if the user is diligent, to avoid getting any software from a third-party, and use only software from parabola, installed with pacman From garciavillena.jaime at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 10:47:18 2020 From: garciavillena.jaime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jaime_Garc=C3=ADa_Villena?=) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:47:18 +0100 Subject: [Assist] [your-freedom] VSCodium blacklisted by code. Fair? Alternatives? Message-ID: Hello Parabola Understanding all the telemetry and license issues that rose up with VSCode, I understood I needed to find a free alternative. I found VSCodium which is a FLOSS version of VSCode, but when trying to install it from the AUR I see that it is blacklisted because it depends on the "code" package. (It is actually just a compiling script). Would that count as non-free? MIT-licensed source code compiled with GNU install scripts? Is there any way to condition the conflict as in "code is forbidden except if its a dependency for VSCodium" I don't fall in love with IDEs so if VSCodium is a no-go, what do you guys use? Thank you and happy hacking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Thu Feb 13 19:30:09 2020 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Assist] [your-freedom] VSCodium blacklisted by code. Fair? Alternatives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200213143009.16dc1e79@parabola> presuming that VSCodium is just another name for: 'vscode' aka: 'code'; the issue is not specific to that program - it is the same for any electron "apps" - chromium, webengine, electron, and any packages that depend on them are on the blacklist, per ticket #1167 https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1167 most individual packages have a dedicated ticket https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/2203 From edgar at openmail.cc Fri Feb 14 01:34:53 2020 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 01:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Assist] [your-freedom] VSCodium blacklisted by code. Fair? Alternatives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76eb495845edbd19acec31c1e110105e@openmail.cc> > I don't fall in love with IDEs so if VSCodium is a no-go, what do you > guys > use? > Oh! I did: Emacs (most customizable editor ever found. I respect VI, but never took the time to learn how to use it). ------------------------------------------------- This free account was provided by VFEmail.net - report spam to abuse at vfemail.net ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From mkjpul at utu.fi Fri Feb 21 18:54:14 2020 From: mkjpul at utu.fi (Matti Pulkkinen) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Assist] Package request: sc-im Message-ID: <1916abc2454e46dc8484bbd129e1a189@EX13-03.utu.fi> Hello! I'd like to request that sc-im be packaged for Parabola. It's a rather nice terminal spreadsheet program: https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im However, I'm not 100% clear that the license is free, mostly because of item number three: https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im/blob/freeze/LICENSE. If it is indeed non-free, then of course I understand that sc-im will be impossible to package. -- Regards, Matti Pulkkinen