From megver83 at hyperbola.info Tue May 1 01:34:20 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 21:34:20 -0300 Subject: [Assist] I need your help I speak spanish if you can't help me, please send my letter to someone who can In-Reply-To: <24dea79122e96c915190a93c1e0213ad@riseup.net> References: <8ebd3581b0a903e0b37d5a6e4a374efa@riseup.net> <97f24c6b707753e75515c0f7b840383839d5c322.camel@peers.community> <24dea79122e96c915190a93c1e0213ad@riseup.net> Message-ID: El 30/04/18 a las 19:09, Quiliro Ordonez escribi?: >> https://heads.dyne.org/ > > Excellent! Based on Devuan. Will test it in July. > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > Looks like Jaromil has a good taste in distros :) -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From edgar at openmail.cc Tue May 1 05:40:10 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 04:40:10 +0000 Subject: [Assist] What's wrong with LibreOffice x86_64 Message-ID: <07fa0d1dc0a8db34fc77c995e6545542@openmail.cc> Are you having issues with LibreOffice like I do? Did you uninstall it and then found out that it's no longer on the repos (x86_64)? Do you have an idea of how to install it and get it to work? Would you let me know :D ? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From megver83 at hyperbola.info Tue May 1 22:21:34 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 18:21:34 -0300 Subject: [Assist] What's wrong with LibreOffice x86_64 In-Reply-To: <07fa0d1dc0a8db34fc77c995e6545542@openmail.cc> References: <07fa0d1dc0a8db34fc77c995e6545542@openmail.cc> Message-ID: <32529438-4f34-1902-3b3a-cbc87cf3cb1f@hyperbola.info> El 01/05/18 a las 01:40, edgar at openmail.cc escribi?: > Are you having issues with LibreOffice like I do? Did you uninstall it > and then found out that it's no longer on the repos (x86_64)? Do you > have an idea of how to install it and get it to work? Would you let me > know :D ? Thanks! > > ------------------------------------------------- > > ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of > the NSA's hands! > $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features!? 15GB disk! No > bandwidth quotas! > Commercial and Bulk Mail Options!? > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist Could you at least specify if the problem is with libreoffice-still or -fresh? -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(104/104) checking packages integrity # Get this message at the end... error: linux-libre-api-headers: signature from "User " is unknown trust :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-api-headers-4.15.2_gnu-1.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). # Apply corrective actions: # Update the known keys: pacman-key --refresh-keys pacman -Syu # Same message as above: Replace... Replace... error: ... is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). # Second corrective action, manually upgrade keyring: pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su # Same result: error: linux-libre-api-headers: signature from "User " is unknown trust :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-api-headers-4.15.2_gnu-1.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). # Third try, reset all keys: rm -r /etc/pacman.d/gnupg pacman-key --init pacman-key --populate archlinux pacman-key --populate parabola pacman-key --refresh-keys # same message: Replace.. Replace... ... # Clean cache, just in case: pacman -Sc pacman -Syu # Same message... # Remove '.part' files find /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ -iname "*.part" -exec rm {} \; pacman -Syu # Same... I don't know what else to do, any suggestions? Hardware and system clocks are ok, Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[] y > # No alerts during upgrade... > (104/104) checking packages integrity > # Get this message at the end... > error: linux-libre-api-headers: signature from "User >" is unknown trust > :: File > /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-api-headers-4.15.2_gnu-1.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz > is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). > > # Apply corrective actions: > # Update the known keys: > pacman-key --refresh-keys > pacman -Syu > # Same message as above: > Replace... > Replace... > error: ... is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). > > # Second corrective action, manually upgrade keyring: > pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring && pacman -Su > # Same result: > error: linux-libre-api-headers: signature from "User >" is unknown trust > :: File > /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-api-headers-4.15.2_gnu-1.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz > is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). > > # Third try, reset all keys: > rm -r /etc/pacman.d/gnupg > pacman-key --init > pacman-key --populate archlinux > pacman-key --populate parabola > pacman-key --refresh-keys > # same message: > Replace.. > Replace... > ... > > # Clean cache, just in case: > pacman -Sc > pacman -Syu > # Same message... > > # Remove '.part' files > find /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ -iname "*.part" -exec rm {} \; > pacman -Syu > # Same... > > > I don't know what else to do, any suggestions? Hardware and system > clocks are ok,? > > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > You could make a bug report at labs.parabola.nu, I don't have this problem in my i686 chroot so idk why this happens on your system. -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From edgar at openmail.cc Thu May 3 06:00:29 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 05:00:29 +0000 Subject: [Assist] What's wrong with LibreOffice x86_64 In-Reply-To: <32529438-4f34-1902-3b3a-cbc87cf3cb1f@hyperbola.info> References: <07fa0d1dc0a8db34fc77c995e6545542@openmail.cc> <32529438-4f34-1902-3b3a-cbc87cf3cb1f@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: <216422108cbfbce15d4b75a7219ffa6b@openmail.cc> On 2018-05-01 21:21, Megver83 wrote: > El 01/05/18 a las 01:40, edgar at openmail.cc escribi?: >> Are you having issues with LibreOffice like I do? Did you uninstall it >> and then found out that it's no longer on the repos (x86_64)? Do you >> have an idea of how to install it and get it to work? Would you let me >> know :D ? Thanks! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Assist mailing list >> Assist at lists.parabola.nu >> https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > Could you at least specify if the problem is with libreoffice-still or > -fresh? I am very sorry Megver83. I was trying to be cheerful, but I can see how useless my e-mail was. LibreOffice keeps freezing my whole system. - I removed the -fresh package and deleted ~/.config/libreoffice. - I could not reinstall, because pacman could not find a package for it (neither still nor fresh). - I looked for it on www.parabola.nu/packages, and they were both missing for x86_64 That's when I decided to contact the list. I found a package on Arch, and reinstalled, but it kept crashing. I looked around, and there seems to be a long story about it crashing in Arch. I downloaded Abiword, and I could open the documents that I needed, but the window flickers. I am wondering if this has to do with systemD, the files I needed (sxw) or the relationship between my computer and Parabola (since I cannot boot with linux-libre; I use linux-libre-lts). In any case, I see that the packages have been uploaded, and I reinstalled libreoffice-still. I will wait until I have to turn off my computer to try opening the file again (in case it hangs). In the mean time, is there any recommendation which does not include KDE to open ODS, DOCX, ODT, SXW other than Abiword and LibreOffice? Finally, I want to express my gratitude and admiration for the work that everyone in the free software community does. ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From bill-auger at peers.community Thu May 3 14:43:31 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 09:43:31 -0400 Subject: [Assist] What's wrong with LibreOffice x86_64 In-Reply-To: <216422108cbfbce15d4b75a7219ffa6b@openmail.cc> References: <07fa0d1dc0a8db34fc77c995e6545542@openmail.cc> <32529438-4f34-1902-3b3a-cbc87cf3cb1f@hyperbola.info> <216422108cbfbce15d4b75a7219ffa6b@openmail.cc> Message-ID: <31981fe24512907066dbbf4d54fdbb32481265ce.camel@peers.community> there were some problem with missing packages this week - that should be completely fixed now you can also try the 'calibre' program for viewing documents - of you want to edit with something more like libreoffice there is the 'calligra' suite but i would like to add that generally, it is best to report bugs properly so that they cam be fixed - a program that crashes is especially important to report to the package maintainers and developers - have you reported that crashing libreoffice as a bug? or have you found an existing bug report that is similar to yours? most interesting for parabola perhaps is your claim that you computer can not boot with linux-libre but only linux-libre-lts - have you reported a bug for this or is there a similar bug already existing? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've heard about it before, but it has many KDE dependencies. > > but i would like to add that generally, it is best to report bugs > properly so > that they cam be fixed - a program that crashes is especially important > to > report to the package maintainers and developers - have you reported > that > crashing libreoffice as a bug? or have you found an existing bug report > that is > similar to yours? I will. I was presently more interested in checking if there was a reason for the missing x86_64 version of LibreOffice (there were i386 and arm). Then, I could go ahead and try the version from Parabola and fill-in a bug report. > > most interesting for parabola perhaps is your claim that you computer > can not > boot with linux-libre but only linux-libre-lts - have you reported a > bug for > this or is there a similar bug already existing? Yes, I did. I am very grateful for having a GNU/Linux running thanks to you guys, and I am patient in the resolution. It has been some weeks since I made the report, but it's been longer since the issue started. I usually do not have much time, and lag on my bug reports. > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist Thank you ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From lapointe.jonathan at gmail.com Fri May 11 23:01:30 2018 From: lapointe.jonathan at gmail.com (lapointe.jonathan) Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 18:01:30 -0400 Subject: [Assist] mailing list Message-ID: Would like to have access to the mailing list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lapointe.jonathan at gmail.com Wed May 16 02:25:12 2018 From: lapointe.jonathan at gmail.com (lapointe.jonathan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 21:25:12 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Minidlna Message-ID: I just install and configure minidlna. It works at 50%. I'm not able to access my pictures folder and my music folder. But i can access videos. In my config file my user is root and i dont use systemd to start or stop. I use minidlnad -R and killall. I use my minidlna with a ps3. Could you give what im missing... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca Wed May 16 03:10:34 2018 From: jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca (Jonathan Lapointe) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 22:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Assist] problem [SOLVED] Message-ID: <1526436634.1183.0@smtp.videotron.ca> I just install and configure minidlna. It works at 50%. I'm not able to access my pictures folder and my music folder. But i can access videos. In my config file my user is root and i dont use systemd to start or stop. I use minidlnad -R and killall. I use my minidlna with a ps3. Could you give what im missing... the comment where mixed up with the code. They should have been on their proper line. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Wed May 16 03:13:37 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 22:13:37 -0400 Subject: [Assist] problem [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1526436634.1183.0@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <1526436634.1183.0@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <2ba4bfe2-4e25-5675-9a4c-ad355c25e35d@peers.community> On 05/15/2018 10:10 PM, Jonathan Lapointe wrote: > the comment where mixed up with the code. They should have been on their > proper line. what does that mean? what did you solve? is there something that could be changed in the parabola package? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca Thu May 17 02:15:30 2018 From: jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca (jonathan.lapointe.07) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 21:15:30 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Grub menu artwork Message-ID: <4lphcpm6li1mwgvx79qliu6d.1526519730119@email.android.com> I saw that there was a famous grub menu with gnu, bolla and tux on it. I would like To get it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > would like To get it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > The only custom GRUB theme that parabola has is grub2-theme-gnuaxiom https://www.parabola.nu/packages/pcr/any/grub2-theme-gnuaxiom/ Just do pacman -S grub2-theme-gnuaxiom and edit /etc/default/grub -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. ? ? $ sudo pacman -R wayland ? checking dependencies... ? error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) ? :: gst-plugins-bad: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' ? :: gtk3: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' ? :: libva: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' ? :: mesa: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' ? :: mpv: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' ? 0 [22:23:51]@ ~ > sudo pacman -R mesa ? checking dependencies... ? error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) ? :: gst-plugins-base-libs: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ? :: gtk3: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ? :: libglvnd: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ? :: libglvnd: removing mesa breaks dependency 'opengl-driver' ? :: virglrenderer: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ? :: xf86-video-amdgpu: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ? :: xf86-video-intel: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' ????? I have also had problems with gksu and libgksu, due to bad signatures: ????? ? resolving dependencies... ? looking for conflicting packages... ? ? Packages (2) gksu-2.0.2-6.parabola1 libgksu-2.0.12-8.parabola1 ? ? Total Download Size: 0.08 MiB ? Total Installed Size: 0.27 MiB ? Net Upgrade Size: 0.00 MiB ? ? :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] ? :: Retrieving packages... ? libgksu-2.0.12-8.parabola1-x86_64 61.8 KiB 294K/s 00:00 [################################] 100% ? gksu-2.0.2-6.parabola1-x86_64 18.1 KiB 451K/s 00:00 [################################] 100% ? (2/2) checking keys in keyring [################################] 100% ? (2/2) checking package integrity [################################] 100% ? error: libgksu: signature from "bill-auger " is unknown trust ? :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/libgksu-2.0.12-8.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). ? Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] ? error: gksu: signature from "bill-auger " is unknown trust ? :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/gksu-2.0.2-6.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)). ? Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] ? error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)) ? Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. ????? I have already reported the last one on labs.parabola.nu. I hope that someone can help me. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From bill-auger at peers.community Thu May 17 14:16:21 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 09:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Can't update gksu, libgksu, mesa nor wayland. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0351ece9-9741-fa1e-0972-19e5d8831deb@peers.community> i dont see any issue like this on the bug tracker - do you have a link? most of the time when you see an error about a signature, you just need to refresh your keyring # pacman-key --refresh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca Thu May 17 19:16:32 2018 From: jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca (JONATHAN.LAPOINTE.07@VIDEOTRON.CA) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 14:16:32 -0400 Subject: [Assist] two hard drive In-Reply-To: <7360da5850c577.5afdc6f7@videotron.ca> References: <64f0db1250de55.5afdc624@videotron.ca> <7360da5850c577.5afdc6f7@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <6d308cfb50ba2a.5afd8ec0@videotron.ca> ?I have two hard drive, one 500 Go and another one 240 Go SSD. Can't I install on each a different OS. I will like to boot them in UEFI. If I use Grub to do it...what should I worry about. Can I just install Parabola on one and whait to later to Install the second. And just have to replace or add some text to make it work thru boot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edgar at openmail.cc Thu May 17 20:45:29 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 19:45:29 +0000 Subject: [Assist] Can't update gksu, libgksu, mesa nor wayland. In-Reply-To: <0351ece9-9741-fa1e-0972-19e5d8831deb@peers.community> References: <0351ece9-9741-fa1e-0972-19e5d8831deb@peers.community> Message-ID: On 2018-05-17 13:16, bill-auger wrote: > i dont see any issue like this on the bug tracker - do you have a link? Hello, Thanks for your answer. Here is the link: https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1781#note-3 Should I have created a new one? I did not want to create white noise. > > most of the time when you see an error about a signature, you just need > to refresh your keyring > > # pacman-key --refresh Thanks. I will next time :) . ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From megver83 at hyperbola.info Thu May 17 22:28:16 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 17:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Can't update gksu, libgksu, mesa nor wayland. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d48f974-ab51-17d5-4b8e-2beb2b78f0c4@hyperbola.info> El 17/05/18 a las 00:33, edgar at openmail.cc escribi?: > Hello, I am getting an error with wayland and mesa after trying `sudo > pacman -Syu': > ????? > ? > ? error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) > ? /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so exists in both 'wayland' and 'mesa' > ? /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.1 exists in both 'wayland' and 'mesa' > ? /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.1.0.0 exists in both 'wayland' and 'mesa' > ? /usr/lib/pkgconfig/wayland-egl.pc exists in both 'wayland' and 'mesa' > ? Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. > ? > ? $ sudo pacman -R wayland > ? checking dependencies... > ? error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) > ? :: gst-plugins-bad: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' > ? :: gtk3: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' > ? :: libva: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' > ? :: mesa: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' > ? :: mpv: removing wayland breaks dependency 'wayland' > ? 0 [22:23:51]@ ~ > sudo pacman -R mesa > ? checking dependencies... > ? error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) > ? :: gst-plugins-base-libs: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ? :: gtk3: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ? :: libglvnd: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ? :: libglvnd: removing mesa breaks dependency 'opengl-driver' > ? :: virglrenderer: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ? :: xf86-video-amdgpu: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ? :: xf86-video-intel: removing mesa breaks dependency 'mesa' > ????? > I got an issue with this too, and I'll explain you how to preceed: # pacman -S --force mesa # pacman -S wayland The first will remove the libwayland-egl files, and the second one will install them (again). You may get some warnings saying that pacman could not get info about such files, but it's normal and expected. -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Thu May 17 23:02:25 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 18:02:25 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Can't update gksu, libgksu, mesa nor wayland. In-Reply-To: <6d48f974-ab51-17d5-4b8e-2beb2b78f0c4@hyperbola.info> References: <6d48f974-ab51-17d5-4b8e-2beb2b78f0c4@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: is this going to affect anyone using wayland? maybe this deserves a news alert? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From megver83 at hyperbola.info Thu May 17 23:07:37 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 18:07:37 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Can't update gksu, libgksu, mesa nor wayland. In-Reply-To: References: <6d48f974-ab51-17d5-4b8e-2beb2b78f0c4@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: El 17/05/18 a las 18:02, bill-auger escribi?: > is this going to affect anyone using wayland? maybe this deserves a news > alert? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > not really. Those wayland libs where in mesa, and now they are in wayland, that's why they conflicted, but yeah, a news is a good idea -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there no place where one can simply use free software on a daily basis? It seems from her comments that I am, otherwise, a good researcher. She is a nice person, but I fear that this may become an issue in the future for me (whether with her or other people). As a student or junior faculty, how do you go about this? Do you just nod and wave your freedom good bye? Thank you! (I will post this in other fora as well; don't let that to discourage you from answering, please). ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca Fri May 18 04:13:33 2018 From: jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca (Jonathan) Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 23:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Assist] microsoft silverlight Message-ID: <1526613213.3776.0@smtp.videotron.ca> hi everyone, netflix ask me to install microsoft silverlight. I'm using parabola with iceweasel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there no place where one can > simply use free software on a daily basis? the fact is that you do not have any freedom in the context of your employment - you are free to choose the jobs that your take; but once you accept a job you are bound to its specifications - if its specifications can not be satisfied by using free software then you have no options other than to use the tools that can complete the job or to quit the job - if you can find suitable replacement softwares that can produce an acceptable result then your advisor should not have any problem with it - she is probably just assuming that none exist those jargon terms you mention are probably not familiar to anyone outside of your field so probably no one here can answer directly to that - i dont know what you mean by "a place where" but if you are looking for software that does a particular job you may need to do the research yourself to find them - do some web searches for those terms you mention like: "open source biomechanics" - maybe the FSD[1] or one of those "alternivesto" websites have some entries github, BTW, is not free software [1]: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am > obviously not in position to refuse, but she dislikes to have At first glance I would recommend you to keep using free/libre software only, and advocating for it where you live, work and study. But please read on... > discussions about it. She pays a stipend to me every month, and my > tuition is waved. ... Now this is a tricky challenge. Not that difficult, but as far as I can see these are the options: a) worst: make the compromise and use these non-free tools in your computer (the same applies when using a virtual machine or a container), because all-in-alll, it's still your personal computer. Besides, the virtual machine or container can misbehave and impact your real system or personal files. You will still have to deal with side-effects caused by loss of control over your own computing, let alone the need to learn how to use that non-free tool; b) somewhat better, although slow: use another computer (or get one from a rent) to do the work, and only do the work with that machine. The same case described in the second paragraph of (a) applies here; c) better: do it with only free/libre software, and perhaps even teach or show the people involved how to make use of tools that support your workflow. For example Software Carpentry has awesome collaborative material on the basics of VCS using Git and of statistics wih R. If you don't have time to teach, make use of a tool that eases *them* participating in their terms. As an example, I'm writing my final course work using Org-mode, LaTeX and TikZ/PGF (this last one is for graphics), and whenever I want to send a snapshot for review to my advisor I do so through making a .pdf, but there is even more... The .pdf files don't actually track changes, so I must go into the extra step of doing the following: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- # # Convert old .pdf work snapshot to text. Makes a .txt file of the same # name, minus ".pdf". Caution here because if you don't specify a name or # path to place the .txt file, `pdftotext' will put it in the same # directory where the original is, contrary to what most commands do in # GNU+Linux. In Trisquel 8.0 Flidas, `pdftotext' comes from the # "poppler-utils" package. pdftotext "Documents/Work_---_2018-05-01.pdf" # Same for current .pdf which will be sent. pdftotext "Work.pdf" # Use GNU `diff' to produce Unified diff for text-only content. For us # who use GNU+Linux or GNU-with-Linux computers (GC) the diff files # commonly have .diff or .patch extensions, but we use .txt here so that # users of Windows computers (WC) can open those with ease in their # default plain text editor. diff -u "Work_---_2018-05-01.txt" "Work.txt" > "Work_diff.txt" # Among other unknown reasons, WCs make use of "\r\n" (carriage return # followed by line feed, commonly known as "CRLF" or "CR+LF") in the end # of each line to distinguish these plain text files from binary files. # WCs' default notepad will open a non-CRLF file but with all lines # joined, so we correct that using the `sed' line below. The side-effect # for us GC users is that some editing software might present two line # breaks. sed -i '/\r$/! { s/\($\)/\r\1/g }' "Work_diff.txt" --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Then send them both the .pdf and the diff file (the one which has .txt extension of course). And explain to them that the .txt is plain text that can be opened in plain text editor (usually called "Notepad" in Windows), and mention that it essentially shows the difference between old and new versions, and that: - Lines that begin with "+ " is new content; - ... "- " old content being removed; - ... "@@ -old_start,count_old +new_start,count_new @@" a line jump to given "old_start" line in the old file. With all that said, the advantages of .pdf files is that the advisors can highlight and annote/comment on these, save the changes and send it back to you (they can't change the structure or content of the document itself, but can at least give you hints). With all the options I presented, there is still another issue which is quite common at least in the college I study: the advisors don't actually orient people that well here, so even if someone theoretically decides to "suck it up and use non-free software anyways" this doesn't stop the advisor from being too vague as to give comments such as "it's not compliant with the institutional norms" (what exactly is not compliant?! And how?!). > As a student or junior faculty, how do you go about this? Do you just > nod and wave your freedom good bye? Particularly I would make use of (b) or (c), but not (a). I hope this has shed some light. Respectfully, Adonay. -- - Formas de contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Ativista do /software/ livre (n?o confundir com gratuito). 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Evite #DRM: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/ From megver83 at hyperbola.info Sat May 19 01:47:55 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 20:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Personal advice In-Reply-To: <88f5433730be23d419020acc9bd8f65e@openmail.cc> References: <88f5433730be23d419020acc9bd8f65e@openmail.cc> Message-ID: <84ef4e79-feea-37b8-af9e-27d309ec83b0@hyperbola.info> El 17/05/18 a las 20:41, edgar at openmail.cc escribi?: > Hello, > > _I_ need help. I am in graduate school, and I keep having issues with my > advisor for my strong inclination to use free software. I am obviously > not in position to refuse, but she dislikes to have discussions about > it. She pays a stipend to me every month, and my tuition is waved. When I was at school, I also had that problem. Now I'm having home-school, so bye bye mandatory proprietary software :) (I know that not everyone might be a self-taught person like me, but it's a viable option) > > Is anyone here aware of a place where they do computational human > biomechanics, mechanics, materials, finite elements or programming in > general where I could interact with free software? (having github, > LaTeX, Python, etc., possibly Emacs and Org-mode; avoid Micro$oft > products, Matlab, Mathematica, etc.). Is there no place where one can > simply use free software on a daily basis? > > It seems from her comments that I am, otherwise, a good researcher. She > is a nice person, but I fear that this may become an issue in the future > for me (whether with her or other people). > > As a student or junior faculty, how do you go about this? Do you just > nod and wave your freedom good bye? Right, so it seems you definitively want to get rid of non-free stuff, which is a good initiative that few people have. At school, I recommended some of my teachers to use the same free software tools which I used at GNU/Linux, but in their case on Windows/Mac (this tools are multiplatform), like LibreOffice. Now, it seems that your problem is much more complex than the one I had, but you can do an effort to look for good free software replacements of the programs you're told to use. Note that, however, sometimes it may happen that there's no free replacement (or not a useful one at least), and that's the worst situation. In such case, unless you reverse-engineer those programs or create a replacement yourself, you've no other option than running those under an emulator/VM/container. -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like some explanation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Sat May 19 16:42:28 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 11:42:28 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Gaming on Parabola In-Reply-To: <1526740614.961.0@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <1526740614.961.0@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <6b133ffd-dba7-1e94-462e-ece49750e288@peers.community> On 05/19/2018 10:36 AM, Jonathan Lapointe wrote: > Game who is said to be free, cause you don't pay to play it. could not > be acceptable to have on the system.? It is because the game is not > opensource? Is there a way to install from Aur and still have a > libre/free system after all.? Or should we have nothing from Aur on the > system. Many games are in Aur, but are supposed to be free.? I would > like some explanation. everything has to be open source - that is the core principle that makes the disrto 100% free/libre - it has nothing to do with money - if you did not know that already, it is curious why you are apparently so passionate about having such a system there is both free and non-free software in the AUR and anything can be added there by anyone with no review whatsoever - the catalog changes daily so it is impractical to filter - there is stuff in there that are duplicates and some stuff that does not even work - the people who put things in there often never return to answer questions or answer their email - the AUR is very much: "use at your own risk" - even archlinux does not officially support it to be clear, for the most part, all open source and "freeware" is: "use at your own risk" - the difference is that distro maintainers work hard to ensure that the experience is as trouble-free as possible; but only if you install all of your software from official distro repos - the AUR is no different from any software you get from any third-party - if you install anything that is not provided by parabola, then you may have problems; and we are not obligated to help you fix them (or even allowed to, in the case of non-free software) with that being said, no one is here to tell you what you can or can not do with your computer - that is freedom #0 - you may want to read about the four essential freedoms[1] - parabola exists to provide the option of a 100% free system for those who want one - it is entirely up to you to decide what you want to install on your system - if you are interested, you can read the FSDG guidelines that specifies what a 100% free/libre disrto must be [1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [2]: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From edgar at openmail.cc Sat May 19 18:04:32 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 17:04:32 +0000 Subject: [Assist] Personal advice [was Re: General advice beyond Org] Message-ID: Good people from the webs, I warmly appreciate everyone's comments (some are difficult to digest, but still useful). I want to take the chance to praise yet another side of free software: it seems to create a community. Thanks! I don't know if everyone wants an answer, but I think that it's the least thing that I can offer. I certainly know that I have taken enough time from each of you (no reply necessary). I will try to be concise. I am missing two or three respondents, and will answer shortly. I will keep answering as I see the topic on the digest and time allows. Here it goes: On 2018-05-18 16:00, help-gnu-emacs-request at gnu.org wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: General advice beyond Org (Kevin Buchs) > 3. Re: General advice beyond Org (tomas at tuxteam.de) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:50:32 -0500 > From: Kevin Buchs > To: edgar at openmail.cc > Cc: emacs-orgmode at gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > As a student, you simply need to go along with your supervisor's > recommendations. You are not in a position to dictate the terms. Using > the > proprietary tools will not hurt you, unless you need to buy your own. > If it > were the case that you needed to buy your own, then I would ask your > supervisor for another solution. > > Even as a Junior faculty member, you may be in close collaboration with > other faculty and should follow the consensus. Dear Kevin, This is a moral issue to me, and I want to know how it is in other places to make an informed decision. > That is how you work with > other people effectively. I believe that being effective is just one more side of free software. There must be a reason for which many countries and companies prefer it. > You don't keep asserting that your solution is > better. Although I am convinced that it is, I don't. > When you are calling the shots, you can use the tools you wish. I hope that in academia, one will always have to collaborate with others. I don't believe in "calling the shots". > So, you need to adjust your attitude. I am asking these questions precisely because I may. > It may be that you are presenting the > issue of principles - I prefer free, you prefer proprietary, but that > is > not really the true issue. It is to me. > Maybe you don't know the proprietary tools and > don't want to learn them or feel you can't learn them. I know how to use her word processor better than her. I learnt how to use her other documenting software better than her in 2 days. After several years of not having to touch her numerical processing software, I was able to program in it better than her after 2 hours. > Choice of tools you > use is no reason to switch graduate programs. Freedom is a matter of choice, indeed, which goes farther than a graduate program. > This is entirely a matter of getting along with other people, not being > selfish, etc. I am glad that you also see a moral side to this. > These are life skills we are talking about. I want to learn those which let me be. Collaboration is one of them. With that queue: thank you very much. I know that you put time to write this and thought about it to help me. I can assure you that I am just trying to hear what others have to say to make an informed decision. > > Kevin Buchs > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:31:57 +0200 > From: > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <20180518153157.GA18154 at tuxteam.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 08:50:32AM -0500, Kevin Buchs wrote: >> As a student, you simply need to go along with your supervisor's >> recommendations. You are not in a position to dictate the terms. > > Nobody talks about dictating anything. Some supervisors are more > enlightened than other, so trying to talk to them doesn't seem > wrong. > Dear Tomas, Thank you for your support. Indeed, I am not even trying to convince her to use anything. >> Using the >> proprietary tools will not hurt you, unless you need to buy your own. > > With that I disagree strongly: free is not primarily about price > (more so in the OP's case, as he stated clearly). Reducing "free" > to price totally misses the point, IMO. > > [...] > IMHO too. Thanks! >> So, you need to adjust your attitude. It may be that you are >> presenting the >> issue of principles - I prefer free, you prefer proprietary, but that >> is >> not really the true issue. Maybe you don't know the proprietary tools >> and >> don't want to learn them or feel you can't learn them. Choice of tools >> you >> use is no reason to switch graduate programs. > > This whole paragraph comes across as somewhat... condescending. > >> This is entirely a matter of getting along with other people, not >> being >> selfish, etc. These are life skills we are talking about. > > Definitely. And part of this getting along is trying to negotiate > what matters to oneself and to others. I do agree that an intransigent > attitude isn't helpful, but Edgar didn't show something like that. > > Fostering free software is exactly about "not being selfish". Yes, by all means! > > Cheers > - -- tom?s Thank you, tom :) . On 2018-05-18 16:00, emacs-orgmode-request at gnu.org wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 8. Re: General advice beyond Org (Peter Neilson) > 10. Re: General advice beyond Org (edgar at openmail.cc) > 15. Re: General advice beyond Org (Diego Zamboni) > 17. Re: General advice beyond Org (hymie!) > 18. Re: General advice beyond Org (Aaron Ecay) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 21:52:29 -0400 > From: "Peter Neilson" > To: emacs-orgmode at gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org, edgar at openmail.cc > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > On Thu, 17 May 2018 20:28:22 -0400, wrote: > > What is your field? In some areas of research the foremost software > tools > have been developed on a MS platform and there is no escape unless you > go > and develop your own tools. Dear Peter, The software is a word processor from that company, and other online tools for sharing documents (spreadsheets, slides; nothing too fancy). Ironically, the software for the bulk of my research is free :) . > Allow me to illustrate from a non-software perspective, in two > different > directions. [...] > These words are rather far afield from your actual question, but I > think > you do need to reflect carefully on where your interests actually lie. Yes, it is very difficult to decide. I would not be bothering a bunch of busy people with my concerns otherwise :S Thanks! > > So back to free software itself. Read, if you have not already done so, > this article by rms: > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html . I will. > Then > ponder whether you want your career to follow his delightfully weird > footsteps, or whether your field requires a totally different approach. > I'm sure that rms would disagree with me--he has every time I've spoken > with him--but his is not the only philosophy available. ...and that is why I want to know what I should be expecting :) . Thanks. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:44:20 +0200 > From: Diego Zamboni > To: edgar at openmail.cc > Cc: Diego Zamboni , "S. Champailler" > , emacs-orgmode > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Edgar, > > As in many other contexts, it?s important to keep the big picture in > mind. As a grad student, is your goal to learn about your field, to do > interesting work/research, and to eventually graduate? Or is it to > defend your ideals and use the software you like? Dear Diego, Thank you very much for your e-mail. You are asking very good questions in a sensible and kind way, and I hope that I can answer them (for my own good). > If it?s the second, ... Only you can answer those questions. I want to openly express my gratitude to her. She is a nice person, and I appreciate her both professionally and personally. > You can always compromise ... communication and collaboration with > others. Yes, that is part of my question. I want to know if it's always going to be like this. > From what you say, the tools your advisor uses are the > recognized/accepted ones for doing the work. It is mostly document typing software, nothing especial. > You could try to > challenge this status quo, given enough time and energy. But again, > think about what your goals are. You have to choose your battles. I guess that I get your point. On the other hand, I think that challenging it would only lead to resistance, which would not necessarily bring what I expect. > In > any case, after you graduate, you can go on an be much more selective > about (or even, define yourself) the tools with which you work. Again, that is one of my considerations: is it's always going to be like this? will I always have to yield my rights to a higher power? is there a place where I can just be? > > As a former grad student myself, I can give you two pieces of wisdom I > received over the years, one from my Ph.D. advisor, and one from one > of my colleagues. Both express the same feeling: > > ?You may think now that getting your Ph.D. is the goal, but it?s only > the beginning. The Ph.D. only opens the door for whatever you want to > do next? > ?The goal of a Ph.D. is to finish it? Indeed. > > All the best, > > ?Diego Most appreciated, Diego. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:50:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: hymie! > To: emacs-orgmode at gnu.org > Cc: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero, > edgar at openmail.cc , who said: > Dear Hymie, I like your headline! >> I am in graduate school, and I keep having issues with my >> advisor for my strong inclination to use free software. [...] >> >> Is anyone here aware of a place where they do computational human >> biomechanics, mechanics, materials or finite elements where I could >> interact with free software? > > First question -- it sounds like you are doing very specific research > with very specific tools, software, equations, and things like that. > Are you sure that free software exists that will do what you want? The very specific piece of software is to type documents :P ! > > For example, good luck finding free software that will do your taxes. The following is off topic: Have you tried Tryton or iDempere (used to be free)? Kmymoney? Give it a shot! :D . They help with accounting, possibly not tax declaration, but I thought of recommending it :) . By the way, I'm not missing the point: there are many free solutions which haven't been developed for specific tasks. > Second question -- you keep using that word "free". Are you really > "free" > in this situation? You said you are getting tuition covered and a > stipend. The way employment typically works is that, in return for > salary and/or compensation, you give your full devotion to your > employer's > wants and needs instead of your own. Using your employer's software is > not a huge jump. This sounds a lot as slavery O.O , > > I don't mean this as a personal attack. Oh, no, don't worry. The general tone of your e-mail seems quite appealed. > That's how it works. I am > "free" to wear a t-shirt that says "F**K THE POLICE" on it, but the > person who pays my salary would prefer if, for 40 hours each week, I > wear a different shirt. I am "free" to ignore his request. He is > "free" > to stop paying my salary. Yes, that is why I mentioned it. It's not a white and black situation. > > So I'm afraid that's my answer. Suck it up and do what the nice person > who is giving you lots of money wants you to do, they way he/she wants > you to do it. > > --hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie > hymie at lactose.homelinux.net > Thanks, I will definitely consider it. I like the honesty. I know that this is not the same situation, but I don't want to go through life excusing myself with a "it's my job; that's why they pay me" (I hope that you can see the ramifications to that). > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 15:21:59 +0100 > From: Aaron Ecay > To: edgar at openmail.cc, Org-mode > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <87fu2p59iw.fsf at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Edgar, > > 2018ko maiatzak 18an, -ek idatzi zuen: > > It sounds like the issue you are having is about collaboration > workflow, > and not about the usage of free software per se. Dear Aaron, Worflow is definitely a big chunk! It is easy for her to use her tools. I would prefer to use free software. > Reading between the > lines, it sounds like your biggest difficulty is with Microsoft Word. > It?s very unlikely that you will be able to convince your advisor to > switch to another program when writing with you. Yes, I know that would be hard. In a way, I am not trying to do that. I could export a plain text file to DOCX somehow (Org-mode) or just copy-paste the text onto a DOCX in LibreOffice, but it is well known that for cumbersome formatting (due to the soft or hard locks from Micro$oft) this is not always possible. > As Diego said, it is > ultimately up to you whether you can live with this. But there are > certainly compromises you could entertain that might make it easier. > > There are important benefits, to a field and to individual researchers, > of open analyses. On the other hand, what maters about a scientific > publication is principally the words themselves and where they are > published ? not the workflow that was used to create them, which mostly > passes into irrelevance once they become part of the scientific record. > So you might find pragmatic benefits to focusing on free software > analysis tools and programming languages, and on the importance of > publicly releasing analysis materials (whether based on free software > or > not) at an appropriate stage of the research, rather than on document > authorship workflow where your advisor seems to have a particularly > entrenched position. > > Another suggestion to reach out to other graduate students, who have > the > surplus of time* and lack of pre-established workflow habits conducive > to > learning new techniques. This won?t directly solve your issues with > your advisor, but if you are contributing to the success of free > software in other areas you might feel like your sacrifices with her > are > being balanced out. You are a wise person! > It?s also true that free software has network effects. Once someone is > using R or Python, they are introduced to things like Jupyter or knitr > (which are literate programming systems) ? or even org mode. They also > get exposed to VCS (like git), free text editors (like emacs, or > RStudio), > and other tools that do not directly replace Word but contribute to an > alternate ecosystem. They might eventually be induced to switch their > writing software of choice because of the features of such > environments. > So by evangelizing the pieces of free software that are most appetizing > to others in your field, you are laying the groundwork for subsequent > improvements that might initially be a harder sell. You give me hope! > Finally, a very pragmatic suggestion. You might suggest to your > advisor > that you and her collaborate via Google Docs rather than MS Word. You broke my heart on this one, but you know that already :) . > This > is something I have found helpful with colleagues of mine who are not > otherwise prepared to change their writing habits. The Google Docs > interface is very similar to Word (but actually avoids some of the > radical UI changes that MS has made recently, which might make it even > more appetizing to certain users). While Gdocs is not free software > (as > it?s important to point out), it enables me to use less proprietary > software, on average. I?ve never been able to get Libreoffice to work > satisfactorily for iterative edits to a Word doc; I find that it too > often loses formatting, included images, or otherwise doesn?t > interoperate with Word well enough. So in the absence of Google Docs I > would have to maintain a Windows system on which to use Word. With > Gdocs I have one browser tab that runs unfree JS, but the rest of my > system is GNU/Linux. (There are also benefits to the online-first > nature of Google Docs, which avoids the emailing back and forth of > dueling versions of a Word document that I have sometimes encountered > in > groups that primarily use Word ? but these are orthogonal to the > free/nonfree distinction.) > > I hope that some of this comes as useful advice. I don't really want to change her ways. I don't believe in pushing freedom onto others ;) . I don't feel well recommending non-free software either. It would be great if she would be aware that one can work with ODT mostly anywhere, that there is RTF and other alternatives in the way. However, as you already realised, the issue is mostly how attached each of us are to our software. On 2018-05-18 20:01, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > I'm undergraduating (seeking a bachelor's degree in organization > management). :D Dear Adonay, Congratulations! > At first glance I would recommend you to keep using free/libre software > only, and advocating for it where you live, work and study. But please > read on... > > ... Now this is a tricky challenge. Not that difficult, but as far as I > can see these are the options: > > a) worst: make the compromise and use these non-free tools in your > computer (the same applies when using a virtual machine or a > container), because all-in-alll, it's still your personal > computer. Besides, the virtual machine or container can misbehave > and > impact your real system or personal files. > > You will still have to deal with side-effects caused by loss of > control over your own computing, let alone the need to learn > how to use that non-free tool; Oh, no! not that! :D . > > b) somewhat better, although slow: use another computer (or get one > from > a rent) to do the work, and only do the work with that machine. > > The same case described in the second paragraph of (a) applies here; > > c) better: do it with only free/libre software, and perhaps even teach > or show the people involved how to make use of tools that support > your workflow. For example Software Carpentry has awesome > collaborative material on the basics of VCS using Git and of > statistics wih R. > > If you don't have time to teach, make use of a tool that eases > *them* > participating in their terms. I have offered some introduction to Linux courses, and people are reluctant to attend. Then, when they need the tools I showcased, they see the benefit. > As an example, I'm writing my final course work using Org-mode, > LaTeX > and TikZ/PGF (this last one is for graphics), and whenever I want to > send a snapshot for review to my advisor I do so through making a > .pdf, but there is even more... > > The .pdf files don't actually track changes, so I must go into the > extra step of doing the following: Have you considered diffpdf? or do you mean as a VCS? > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- # > # Convert old .pdf work snapshot to text. Makes a .txt file of the > same > # name, minus ".pdf". Caution here because if you don't specify a > name or > # path to place the .txt file, `pdftotext' will put it in the same > # directory where the original is, contrary to what most commands do > in > # GNU+Linux. In Trisquel 8.0 Flidas, `pdftotext' comes from the > # "poppler-utils" package. > > pdftotext "Documents/Work_---_2018-05-01.pdf" > > # Same for current .pdf which will be sent. > > pdftotext "Work.pdf" > > # Use GNU `diff' to produce Unified diff for text-only content. For > us > # who use GNU+Linux or GNU-with-Linux computers (GC) the diff files > # commonly have .diff or .patch extensions, but we use .txt here so > that > # users of Windows computers (WC) can open those with ease in their > # default plain text editor. > > diff -u "Work_---_2018-05-01.txt" "Work.txt" > "Work_diff.txt" > > # Among other unknown reasons, WCs make use of "\r\n" (carriage > return > # followed by line feed, commonly known as "CRLF" or "CR+LF") in the > end > # of each line to distinguish these plain text files from binary > files. > # WCs' default notepad will open a non-CRLF file but with all lines > # joined, so we correct that using the `sed' line below. The > side-effect > # for us GC users is that some editing software might present two > line > # breaks. > > sed -i '/\r$/! { s/\($\)/\r\1/g }' "Work_diff.txt" > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Then send them both the .pdf and the diff file (the one which has > .txt extension of course). And explain to them that the .txt is > plain > text that can be opened in plain text editor (usually called > "Notepad" in Windows), and mention that it essentially shows the > difference between old and new versions, and that: > > - Lines that begin with "+ " is new content; > > - ... "- " old content being removed; > > - ... "@@ -old_start,count_old +new_start,count_new @@" a line jump > to > given "old_start" line in the old file. > > With all that said, the advantages of .pdf files is that the > advisors > can highlight and annote/comment on these, save the changes and send > it back to you (they can't change the structure or content of the > document itself, but can at least give you hints). I will certainly try with other colleagues, and will wait for the right moment with her (I don't think that she will be very receptive right now). Bear in mind that some of the tools would require cygwin (or similar) for people with other operating systems. > With all the options I presented ... (what exactly is not > compliant?! And how?!). > > Particularly I would make use of (b) or (c), but not (a). > > I hope this has shed some light. > > > Respectfully, Adonay. > Thank you, Adonay On 2018-05-19 00:47, Megver83 wrote: > El 17/05/18 a las 20:41, edgar at openmail.cc escribi?: > > When I was at school, I also had that problem. Now I'm having > home-school, so bye bye mandatory proprietary software :) > > (I know that not everyone might be a self-taught person like me, but > it's a viable option) > > Right, so it seems you definitively want to get rid of non-free stuff, > which is a good initiative that few people have. At school, I > recommended some of my teachers to use the same free software tools > which I used at GNU/Linux, but in their case on Windows/Mac (this tools > are multiplatform), like LibreOffice. > > Now, it seems that your problem is much more complex than the one I > had, > but you can do an effort to look for good free software replacements of > the programs you're told to use. > > Note that, however, sometimes it may happen that there's no free > replacement (or not a useful one at least), and that's the worst > situation. In such case, unless you reverse-engineer those programs or > create a replacement yourself, you've no other option than running > those > under an emulator/VM/container. Thank you very much, Megver83. The tools that I am kindly requested to use are proprietary word processors! (really complicated stuff ;) :D ). A plain text file is out of the question, together with any of Mercurial, CVS, subversion, Git, etc. I won't take more of your time for this :) . On 2018-05-18 19:09, help-gnu-emacs-request at gnu.org wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: General advice beyond Org (Alan E. Davis) > 2. Re: General advice beyond Org (Alan E. Davis) > 3. Re: General advice beyond Org (Jason Yamada-Hanff) > 4. Re: General advice beyond Org (Devin Prater) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:19:52 -0700 > From: "Alan E. Davis" > To: tomas at tuxteam.de > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org" > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I worked as a teacher in a school in a third world context, where the > district was severely underfunded. I held out as much as I could. I > had > to use proprietary systems, eventually, to report attendance and > grades, so > I installed Virtual Box. It was a long and hard battle: printer > drivers > were not up to snuff; networking was difficult compared to the M$ > approach. Back in the day---I started using GNU/Linux in the pre-1.0 > kernel days---many things did not work smoothly, but the Linux > Documentation Project was a breath of fresh air, and a beam of light > enlightened the scene. (As an aside, I note with misgivings that the > LDP > is not well maintained---but I am partially responsible for this, > because I > didn't work on documentation as perhaps I ought to have. Then again, > the > state of the "Linux Desktop" is such that other supports are available > and > many of the hands on configuration and administration tasks are either > automatic or much simpler and more intuitive.). Dear Alan, Respect! You are a pioneer! > I would suggest, in your context, that you do not have to abandon free > software, nor, I sense, are you advised to refuse to use the > infrastructure > that has been given. I use emacs for much, I really like org-mode a > lot > and even thought I am not able to take advantage of many of the more > sophisticated tools of org-mode. You may find, like many before you, > that > the tools of free and open source software many streamline your > workflow, > and give you an edge, even while you are using the ordained tools for > your > specific disciplinary work. When people see that the free and open > tools > work for you, gradually you may make inroads, and not at the expense of > your career. Certainly, it makes my work much easier and enjoyable. Some pay attention, and express a sense of admiration. I always offer my help for those who want to learn. > I believe this approach has been behind much of the achieved success of > Free and Open Source software and operating systems. For me, it was a moral discussion that I had with a teacher. Little stuff may go far. > I am rooting for you. > > Alan Davis > Sincerely appreciate it! > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:22:44 -0700 > From: "Alan E. Davis" > To: tomas at tuxteam.de > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org" > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I failed to mention in my previous message that the powers that be in > the > underfunded district where I worked were fully on board with the > proprietary tools that they had been given in colleges and high > schools. > After a few years, I held a workshop and several teachers were able to > install Ubuntu, some of whom may be working with GNU/Linux today. > > Alan Yep! That is the way to go. Thank you not only for your answer, but for your accumulated time and effort in favour of free software. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:32:21 -0700 > From: Jason Yamada-Hanff > To: "Alan E. Davis" > Cc: tomas at tuxteam.de, "help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org" > > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Don't die on this hill. Dear Jason, Well expressed! > Collaborating with others, especially superiors, > means sometimes adjusting. I split the difference in grad school and > used > emacs and other free software where I could and MS where it made > collaboration possible. My first piece of writing was handed to my > advisor > as LaTeX. He asked me to convert it to Word, and I did. I wrote my > thesis > in LaTeX. When we turned a chapter into a paper, I converted it to Word > before we started collaborating on it. When I handed him my lab > notebook as > a series of org-mode files he could search instantly by text, he liked > that. Sometimes you win. A glimmer of hope! Thanks! > Your professors arguments are good. Her tools work well for her. Why > should > she switch to new ones? Your moral principles aren't going to have a > lot of > away. Precisely :) ! > Further, git and other version control does not provide the full > features of Track Changes in Word. I fail to understand what I can do in a plain text file (namely Org + Git) which I could not do with the track changes. For me, it's a terrible thing to use that "feature", because it makes reading very, very difficult and noisy. But I think that this is a side point of our conversation. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 14:09:42 -0500 > From: Devin Prater > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I agree with this. As a blind user of Emacs, with Emacspeak, I know > that > sometimes people must use non-free software, like Voxin TTS on Linux, > or > MacinTalk on macOS, to get speech synthesis that is enjoyable to use. > But I do use as much free software as I can to get work done, which is > mainly just sticking to Emacs because somehow I can remember all the > key > commands and my reading comprehension is amazing there, relative to > using screen reading, content-unaware systems for the blind. Most blind > people, though, use Windows, Microsoft Word, and a screen reader that > costs $1099+ and yet could never measure up to Emacspeak, well besides > web content but I?m sure that if EWW gained Javascript and HTML5 > support, I?d never need to leave Emacs, ever. So, my point is, I have > to > interact with these other blind people, and people in Assistive Tech > organizations, and I do that well with converting .org files to .docx > with Pandoc, using Twittering-mode in Emacs while other blind Mac users > pay $20 for Twitterific, and Gnus for email, which is used very often > by > the blind for list-serves because Email is very accessible for us. > I don?t use Latex, yet, and may never have to because Org is so > powerful, but you could just use Pandoc for that as well. That?s one of > the great things about Free things, they try to work with everything, > while proprietary software tries to lock users in because their way is > supposedly best. Aside: Why am I using a Mac? Accessibility, and great > Text-to-speech built-in. > Dear Devin, This is a heart-warming account. Thank you very much for sharing. I tend to believe that many times, people don't use free software because they don't know about it or realise the great advantages from it. I think that you have a strong stand to help others with this. I hope that free software evolves to the point where you can finally put Ma? on a shelf and never touch it again. I will try to reach out to you in the future--if you don't mind--in the case when I have to develop software to have your opinion on accessibility. Thank you for your words! > End of help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 186, Issue 28 > *********************************************** ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From edgar at openmail.cc Sat May 19 20:49:40 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 19:49:40 +0000 Subject: [Assist] Personal advice [was Re: General advice beyond Org] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38cdf6b28fda156a1c614cbb0387445d@openmail.cc> I think that I have answered everything so far. THank you all. I still have to decide what to do about this, but now I have a wider perspective thanks to all of you! On 2018-05-19 16:00, help-gnu-emacs-request at gnu.org wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 2. Re: General advice beyond Org (Gene) > 4. Re: General advice beyond Org (tomas at tuxteam.de) > 5. Re: [O] General advice beyond Org (Marcin Borkowski) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Gene > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 8:29:06 PM UTC-4, ed... at openmail.cc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> _I_ need help. I am in graduate school, and I keep having issues with >> my >> advisor for my strong inclination to use free software. > > That you see it or characerize it this way might be part of your > problem. > I've experienced similar problems when employed as a software and > firmware engineer when The Pointy Haired Boss dictated which computer > language to use. > Or was that to submit source code in? > > This is no moot point ... for me THEN or YOU NOW. > > Your perviser proclivities did you mean perverse? I am not familiar with perviser, I'm sorry. > to use free software may be masked by > whatever superficial formating of whatever file you provide to her as > the fruits of your labor. > It's none of her effin' busyness how many intermediate steps occurred > between your initial efforts and what her superficial highness SEES as > the end results of your scholarly ever so academic efforts ... is it? I wished that was the case, but it is not. She has even said that she does not want me to use other software when we collaborate on a document. Her argument on this is that she does not want me to spend time on the conversion. I have tried to explain the advantages of doing it my way, unsuccessfully (otherwise we would not be having this delightful conversation). > Open Office can read and write many Monopoly$oft Office formats. Naturally, I prefer LibreOffice, but yes. > So why not regard it as a laundering `compatibility' black box to > which you can insert `content' generated by a wife variety of free > software apps of your choosing? I usually do. There are some little things which cannot be converted, obviously (that is their strategy, right?). I try to solve whatever else that my lack of abilities with Lisp, Emacs, Org and Pandoc prevent me from achieving. > That you're using org-mode means you have access to the lisp engine at > the heart of emacs and can thus offload the steps used to automate the > generation of the superficial files you hand over to your `advisor' -- I really need to devote time to learn Lisp properly > indentured servant MASTER -- I'm sure that she has a different way of looking at her self; that if she understood how far this stretches into her own freedom and the well being of society, she would possibly not be asking this from me. Freedom, however, is not a path that everyone is willing to transit. > NOW ... as you're rehearsing the practice > for re-use if/when you get out into the Real World where EVERY Pointer > Haired Boss can demand this, and micro-manage that. I lost track, sorry. Yes, the way I see this process they call school is to be prepared for the future, not only solving the little issues that suddenly appear (they ought to be there for that greater purpose). > That you even mention the perverse proclivity to use free software > puts you at risk for `special treatment'. I definitely do not see it as perverse. Quite the contrary. > Do you have any idea how many in positions of authority to constrain > your freedom of choise OWN Monopoly$oft stock and have no qualms about > misusing their positions of authority to specify proprietary products > which benifit them as stock holders?! > > Don't EVEN go there! Very good and strong point. I hadn't seen it from that perspective, actually. Thank you for showing me yet another reason to try to find a better solution to this matter. I think that I understand your point. I am just concerned about the practical matter of having a long-term manner for procuring goods (in the form of a salary, possibly). > Just learn how to generate what they want to SEE and learn how to back > progate changes you make to the bogus `official' documents as > red-lined by THEM ... we know WHO they ARE. I am definitely trying. I don't want to be in their way, and I would appreciate if they did the same. > And indentured servant my any other name ... If I understand correctly, what you are saying is that I act as a servant. Correct me if I am wrong. I would agree for the most part, but it's not what I prefer. It's hard when they have the power to seize my computer without trial or consent, and dictate what programs I use (but you are aware of this, I sense). I am not so skilled. I like science very much, and would be satisfied if I could practice it for a very long time. However--this may come as a surprise to you, but I am honest--I don't know how to independently make a living from it in combination with free software. I mean, I know programming languages that I have used to the extent that I needed them, some of which I learnt in school and never used again (Python, C, R, whatever little Lisp, microcontroller assembler, etc.); I know how to format and encrypt; put computers apart and rebuild them (for the most part; never ventured into flashing a device, e.g. for LibreBoot), but it's not like I am a Richard Stallman (with my highest respects to him), who was selling software at an early age. I hope you excuse my digression, it's just that I would also appreciate advice on that: not being a servant. > > Rookie! Keep your perversions to yourself. > Stop scaring the women and children needlessly. LoL! > Ummn ... in your HEAD and computationally within your computer > equipment. You mean our heads? > Think about it. > The more factors you have ANDed together the harder it is going to be > to find the Goldly Locks `just right' solution you're looking for. Thank you for that. > What makes emacs so wonderful is not org-mode, it's the elisp which > props org-mode up. This may sound silly to you, but I had not grasped that so well until now. > One can load packages to facilitate the activities one exploits > towards generating the eye wash The Boss needs to SEE to keep one's > stipend flowing. > One can cobble together a specialized configuration to facilitate the > special blend of functionality one requires. Again, I really need to devote time to this endeavour (of learning Lisp). > Let's suppose you know enough Latin to get you by in academia > > U = No > topia = place Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labelled utopian. -- Emma Goldman What is a utopia? A dream unrealized, but not unrealizable. -- Joseph Dejacque It's not like I'm very avid to literature: these are just quotes that I get with the fortune program :D . > Utopia == No Place > Pinch yourself; you're dreaming. It does seem like that. This whole thread is a way of a reality check for me. > Otherwise? > Funny stuff. > > Those with the `right stuff' to BE a good researcher naturally > resonate with the ethos underpinning free software -- the empirical > method can be used to tweak the source code on an as-needed basis as > with any other lab equipment. Keep in mind that there are many who are in research not really for the goal of increasing understanding or improving methods, as much as to make a living. How they achieve the latter is not so important. If they were offered a bigger salary somewhere else, they would possibly jump on it. > Right. As I mentioned earlier, get used to this. > Get used to translating from YOUR ipsative inner world -- extended by > use of free software -- into something or other which results in your > SELF either `voluntarily-prostrating or involuntarily being-prostrated > onto THEIR Procrustean Beds. To me, it goes beyond translation, but being able to collaborate effectively. I think that I am now at a point where I can do a fairly good job at "translating" without much pain (thanks to the tools that the free software community provides). I also think that it is important to give them the chance to see the other side and informing people. > Please think of free software a belonging on YOUR side of the fence. > It's all weird and wonderful when we find those statistically deviant > to share in our fetish. You are funny too! :D . > But you're heading for disappointment and frustration hoping or > expecting IT to displace Pop Culture, Business Culture, Mainstream > Culture. I like to look at the broader spectrum of freedom, which may include all of these. > > You are FREE to think what you want and believe what you want. > Though when you EXPRESS as per `freedom of speech/expression' others > have the same freedoms of expression to PUSH BACK, respond > accordingly, etc. > Thus my suggestion to keep it to yourself and your statistically > deviant friends. I try, and also extend the helping hand when needed (informing is included), but avoid pushing it onto people. > As long as you can send and receive files in the formats of THEIR > WORLD they have no grounds for `special treatment'; however IF YOU > seek `special treatment' in the form of THEM accommodating YOUR > deviant practices it's YOU are throwing the rock through the > metaphorical hornet's nest. One problem is that they are not always compatible. In this situation, that is not the case (fortunately). > I hope my two cents had at least 1 cent of value for you. > > Cheers! > They certainly are. Thank you very much! > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 09:18:57 +0200 > From: Marcin Borkowski > To: hymie! > Cc: emacs-orgmode at gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <87tvr4i04e.fsf at mbork.pl> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I, for that matter, do not use any proprietary software to do my taxes. Oh, no! me neither! On 2018-05-18 11:10, help-gnu-emacs-request at gnu.org wrote: > Send help-gnu-emacs mailing list submissions to > help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > help-gnu-emacs-request at gnu.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > help-gnu-emacs-owner at gnu.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of help-gnu-emacs digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 2. Re: General advice beyond Org (tomas at tuxteam.de) > 3. Re: General advice beyond Org (tomas at tuxteam.de) > 5. Re: General advice beyond Org (edgar at openmail.cc) > 6. Re: General advice beyond Org (Yuri Khan) > 7. Re: General advice beyond Org (S. Champailler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 10:15:49 +0200 > From: > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <20180518081549.GF4556 at tuxteam.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed > > Well, because in a way, it *is* political. As the stance to "keep > out politics" at all costs is political too. > > I've been able to cope with that to some extent by using Org mode > as a "hub" -- I can export as LaTeX for my viewing pleasure and as > (LibreOffice) ODF, which can be converted into Word for other people's > viewing pleasure. Yep, that's the way I roll (Pandoc also helps). > Now a way back from Word to Org would be bliss, but is more thorny... I usually have a sense of guilt, because I know that if I invest enough time (years?) I would possibly be able to make something like that work (reading the thousands of specifications for DOCX, learning Lisp at a proficient level, etc.). Thus I am very, very grateful to those who produce the bulk of free software. Can you imagine what would be possible if a fraction (5% ~ 10%) of the money which is spent on proprietary software by governments, individuals, companies and education institutions would go to the development of free software? and the benefits it would bring! > Now I just try to (help) lobby politicians to drop proprietary > formats. We're 1 against 1000 (perhaps even worse if you count > dollars instead of people), but we're getting better! Hey! it worked with NATO, right? I think that it also pushed Monopoly$oft to disclose the DOCX format. > This is a very important point, and one without which no change > will be possible: Whenever I try to convince someone to change > her tools I just imagine how I would react if someone tried to > pry my beloved Emacs from my hands. I don't try to convince people, I offer my help if they need, let the door open for them to ask and inform them as much as I can without pushing the topic. > > Cheers > - -- tom?s > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 10:20:55 +0200 > From: > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: <20180518082055.GG4556 at tuxteam.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I don't know about the others, but I find this topic extremely > interesting, since it touches many of us. In my concrete example, > I was submerged in a corp for six years and ultimately moved on, > just because of this issue. Thank you. > And your approach to the topic is even-headed and clear: I'm > able to learn a lot from it, so thanks! That is a very nice compliment! Thanks! > > Cheers > - -- tom?s > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 08:23:11 +0000 > From: akrl > To: help-gnu-emacs at gnu.org > Subject: prevent hook vanishing > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi all, > How do I prevent emacs from removing a hook I've installed using > something like: > (add-hook 'after-change-functions 'render-buf nil t) in case of an > error > occur executing it? > > I would also be fine in being able to reinstall it somehow afterward. > > Bests > akrl > > -- > akrl at sdf.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:54:45 +0700 > From: Yuri Khan > To: edgar at openmail.cc > Cc: Org-mode , help-gnu-emacs > > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 7:29 AM wrote: > > Are you required to pay for licenses for proprietary software you are > asked > to use? Chances are, your school is getting academic discounts, and you > get > to use it for no charge. Dear Yuri, Freedom is more important than price to me. > Your instructors and professors probably have a lot of experience with > those tools. They are understandably reluctant to switch, because the > tools > work well enough for them. I agree. > Also, as a student, you do not have sufficient influence to convert > everybody at your school to free software. I agree as well, but I believe that change will happen little by little (or quicker; have you noticed people leaving spybook?). > The point of education is to get exposed to many tools, techniques and > workflows. By limiting yourself to free software only, you will miss > out. I don't think that I am missing out. Example: in a class, we were using SAS to do statistics. I did learn how to use it precisely for that point, but then I will not use it, because I do statistics with R. The teacher was kind enough to let me work without SAS. > Be a scout in the proprietary camp. Learn the tools your instructors > are > willing to teach. Learn what it takes to achieve the same results with > free > software. Learn the difference in workflows and user experience. I do. In this particular case, it's easy for me to know that typing software from Monopoly$oft is no longer competition to free software. > You will find something you can do with free software that you don?t > know > how to do with proprietary tools. Ask your teachers. They will either > point > you at something you missed (and then you can study it); or they will > admit > that feature is nice but their tool doesn?t have it (and then you have > demonstrated the merits of free software); or they will say it?s not > important. In this case, it seems like an impasse to use free software when working on a document together. Not even LibreOffice is an option. I agree with the broader scope of the comment. > You will also likely find more than a few points where non-free > software > delivers better UX. Use that knowledge to improve free software so that > it > can compete with proprietary software on UX terms, not only on the > issue of > freedom. That is certainly one of my goals. Thank you very much for your comments. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:10:29 +0200 (CEST) > From: "S. Champailler" > To: Org-mode , help-gnu-emacs > > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > <388980089.343281.1526641829368 at webmail.appsuite.proximus.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This is a super wise advice : > > Comparing stuff in scenarios you don't invent yourself is super > enlightening. Once you don't define the scenario, all sorts of > edge/unexpected situations arise. > > For example, if you work with math stuff, I'm sure you'll find > interesting differences between computations results (e.g. matlab > equations solving versus say Octave). > > stF The example is good. If I may expand on it, it seems as if C is still faster (https://julialang.org/benchmarks/). Furthermore, I believe that the development of society is fostered by keeping an open eye to good ideas, from wherever they may come (without hindering human and/or nature development). > > End of help-gnu-emacs Digest, Vol 186, Issue 26 > *********************************************** ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From bill-auger at peers.community Sat May 19 21:13:44 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 16:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Personal advice [was Re: General advice beyond Org] In-Reply-To: <38cdf6b28fda156a1c614cbb0387445d@openmail.cc> References: <38cdf6b28fda156a1c614cbb0387445d@openmail.cc> Message-ID: edgar - may i suggest that you set your list subscriptions to deliver each message individually and not "digest mode" - that way you can respond to each one individually - responding to an entire digest as once make for a difficult read and makes it more difficult for others to reply back - in this case, all of those messages you quoted are from an entirely different mailing list although i found "statistically deviant fetish" to be quite humorous - what interesting opinions people have -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Evite #DRM: https://www.defectivebydesign.org/ From sebasped at disroot.org Mon May 21 20:46:46 2018 From: sebasped at disroot.org (=?utf-8?B?Ry4gU2ViYXN0acOhbiBQZWRlcnNlbg==?=) Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 19:46:46 +0000 Subject: [Assist] X and vesa driver with last update of Parabola Message-ID: <6d8a31c5f135b0a37e27c9999f923063@disroot.org> Hi guys! I've recently updated Parabola, and X stop working. Some error with vesa driver (wich I've been using since few years from now). Here is my Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.20.0 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 24.948] Build Operating System: Linux Arch Linux [ 24.948] Current Operating System: Linux parabolaSebas64 4.16.8-gnu-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 12 03:07:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 [ 24.948] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linux-libre root=UUID=ce1436e8-11c2-44db-99b3-2f02d168a5f1 rw [ 24.948] Build Date: 16 May 2018 05:24:07PM [ 24.948] [ 24.948] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 [ 24.948] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 24.948] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 24.949] (==) Log file: "/home/sebas/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun May 20 01:18:37 2018 [ 25.000] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 25.000] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 25.039] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. [ 25.039] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) [ 25.039] (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" [ 25.039] (**) | |-->Device "Device0" [ 25.039] (==) Automatically adding devices [ 25.039] (==) Automatically enabling devices [ 25.039] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices [ 25.039] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices [ 25.039] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff [ 25.073] (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi". [ 25.073] Entry deleted from font path. [ 25.073] (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"). [ 25.073] (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi". [ 25.073] Entry deleted from font path. [ 25.073] (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"). [ 25.073] (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/misc, /usr/share/fonts/TTF, /usr/share/fonts/OTF, /usr/share/fonts/Type1 [ 25.073] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" [ 25.073] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. [ 25.073] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 25.073] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 25.073] X.Org Video Driver: 24.0 [ 25.073] X.Org XInput driver : 24.1 [ 25.073] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 [ 25.074] (++) using VT number 1 [ 25.076] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/c1 [ 25.078] (--) PCI:*(1 at 0:0:0) 1039:6351:1043:82c9 rev 16, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xfebe0000/131072, I/O @ 0x0000ec00/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072 [ 25.078] (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) [ 25.078] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 25.110] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 25.187] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 25.187] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.0.0 [ 25.187] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 [ 25.187] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [ 25.188] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so [ 25.201] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 25.201] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 2.4.0 [ 25.201] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 25.201] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 [ 25.201] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa [ 25.201] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) [ 25.201] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support [ 25.201] (II) Loading sub module "vbe" [ 25.201] (II) LoadModule: "vbe" [ 25.202] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libvbe.so [ 25.210] (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 25.210] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.1.0 [ 25.210] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 [ 25.210] (II) Loading sub module "int10" [ 25.211] (II) LoadModule: "int10" [ 25.211] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so [ 25.217] (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 25.217] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.0.0 [ 25.217] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 [ 25.217] (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 [ 25.217] (EE) VESA(0): Cannot read int vect [ 25.217] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" [ 25.217] (II) UnloadSubModule: "int10" [ 25.217] (II) Unloading int10 [ 25.217] (II) UnloadSubModule: "vbe" [ 25.217] (II) Unloading vbe [ 25.217] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. [ 25.217] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 25.217] (EE) no screens found(EE) [ 25.217] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 25.217] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/sebas/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [ 25.217] (EE) [ 25.219] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. I ask in the Xorg list, and someone mention this: May 21, 2018 6:31 PM, "Adam Jackson" wrote: On Mon, 2018-05-21 at 17:12 +0000, G. Sebasti?n Pedersen wrote: > [ 25.201] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa > [ 25.201] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) Pretty sure this means your X server isn't running as root, and needs to be. I tried running X as root with no luck (although don't remember if the specific error you point disapper. Could check it when got home. The rest remains the same, I'm pretty sure about that.) The other possibility I can think of is that your kernel has been locked down hard enough that userspace isn't allowed to access I/O ports. CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM might be guilty here. There's not been any changes in either xserver 1.20 or vesa 2.4.0 that should cause this, though. Thanks a lot in advance! Sebas G. Sebasti?n Pedersen From edgar at openmail.cc Mon May 21 22:40:08 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 21:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Assist] X and vesa driver with last update of Parabola In-Reply-To: <6d8a31c5f135b0a37e27c9999f923063@disroot.org> References: <6d8a31c5f135b0a37e27c9999f923063@disroot.org> Message-ID: On 2018-05-21 19:46, G. Sebasti?n Pedersen wrote: > Hi guys! > > I've recently updated Parabola, and X stop working. Some error with > vesa driver (wich I've been using since few years from now). > > Here is my Xorg.0.log > > > X.Org X Server 1.20.0 > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > [ 24.948] Build Operating System: Linux Arch Linux > [ 24.948] Current Operating System: Linux parabolaSebas64 > 4.16.8-gnu-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 12 03:07:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 > [ 24.948] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linux-libre > root=UUID=ce1436e8-11c2-44db-99b3-2f02d168a5f1 rw > [ 24.948] Build Date: 16 May 2018 05:24:07PM > [ 24.948] > [ 24.948] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 > [ 24.948] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > [ 24.948] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default > setting, > (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. > [ 24.949] (==) Log file: > "/home/sebas/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun May 20 01:18:37 > 2018 > [ 25.000] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" > [ 25.000] (==) Using system config directory > "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" > [ 25.039] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. > [ 25.039] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) > [ 25.039] (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" > [ 25.039] (**) | |-->Device "Device0" > [ 25.039] (==) Automatically adding devices > [ 25.039] (==) Automatically enabling devices > [ 25.039] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices > [ 25.039] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices > [ 25.039] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff > [ 25.073] (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in > "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi". > [ 25.073] Entry deleted from font path. > [ 25.073] (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"). > [ 25.073] (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in > "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi". > [ 25.073] Entry deleted from font path. > [ 25.073] (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"). > [ 25.073] (==) FontPath set to: > /usr/share/fonts/misc, > /usr/share/fonts/TTF, > /usr/share/fonts/OTF, > /usr/share/fonts/Type1 > [ 25.073] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" > [ 25.073] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of > input devices. > If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable > AutoAddDevices. > [ 25.073] (II) Module ABI versions: > [ 25.073] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 > [ 25.073] X.Org Video Driver: 24.0 > [ 25.073] X.Org XInput driver : 24.1 > [ 25.073] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 > [ 25.074] (++) using VT number 1 > > [ 25.076] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session > /org/freedesktop/login1/session/c1 > [ 25.078] (--) PCI:*(1 at 0:0:0) 1039:6351:1043:82c9 rev 16, Mem @ > 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xfebe0000/131072, I/O @ 0x0000ec00/128, BIOS @ > 0x????????/131072 > [ 25.078] (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such > file or directory) > [ 25.078] (II) LoadModule: "glx" > [ 25.110] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so > [ 25.187] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [ 25.187] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.0.0 > [ 25.187] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 > [ 25.187] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" > [ 25.188] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so > [ 25.201] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [ 25.201] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 2.4.0 > [ 25.201] Module class: X.Org Video Driver > [ 25.201] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 > [ 25.201] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa > [ 25.201] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation > not permitted) > [ 25.201] (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no > multi-card support > [ 25.201] (II) Loading sub module "vbe" > [ 25.201] (II) LoadModule: "vbe" > [ 25.202] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libvbe.so > [ 25.210] (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [ 25.210] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.1.0 > [ 25.210] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 > [ 25.210] (II) Loading sub module "int10" > [ 25.211] (II) LoadModule: "int10" > [ 25.211] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so > [ 25.217] (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > [ 25.217] compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 1.0.0 > [ 25.217] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0 > [ 25.217] (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 > [ 25.217] (EE) VESA(0): Cannot read int vect > [ 25.217] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa" > [ 25.217] (II) UnloadSubModule: "int10" > [ 25.217] (II) Unloading int10 > [ 25.217] (II) UnloadSubModule: "vbe" > [ 25.217] (II) Unloading vbe > [ 25.217] (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable > configuration. > [ 25.217] (EE) > Fatal server error: > [ 25.217] (EE) no screens found(EE) > [ 25.217] (EE) > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > at http://wiki.x.org > for help. > [ 25.217] (EE) Please also check the log file at > "/home/sebas/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. > [ 25.217] (EE) > [ 25.219] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. > > > > I ask in the Xorg list, and someone mention this: > > > May 21, 2018 6:31 PM, "Adam Jackson" wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-05-21 at 17:12 +0000, G. Sebasti?n Pedersen wrote: > > > [ 25.201] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa > > [ 25.201] xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O > (Operation not permitted) > > Pretty sure this means your X server isn't running as root, and > needs > to be. > > I tried running X as root with no luck (although don't remember if > the specific error you point disapper. Could check it when got > home. > The rest remains the same, I'm pretty sure about that.) > > > The other possibility I can think of is that your kernel has been > locked down hard enough that userspace isn't allowed to access I/O > ports. CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM might be guilty here. There's not been any > changes in either xserver 1.20 or vesa 2.4.0 that should cause this, > though. > > > Thanks a lot in advance! > Sebas > > G. Sebasti?n Pedersen > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist I have a similar issue! I cannot use any display or windows manager! :( ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From bill-auger at peers.community Mon May 21 22:51:47 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 17:51:47 -0400 Subject: [Assist] X and vesa driver with last update of Parabola In-Reply-To: References: <6d8a31c5f135b0a37e27c9999f923063@disroot.org> Message-ID: ive opened a ticket about this on the bug tracker https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1819 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca Thu May 24 01:35:30 2018 From: jonathan.lapointe.07 at videotron.ca (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:35:30 -0400 Subject: [Assist] compton + i3 + parabola Message-ID: <1527122130.1336.0@smtp.videotron.ca> 3 days ago, I start using i3 on my parabola system. It work well, it take quite a while to get used, but people seem to have told me that at the end I will benefit from it. more custom, more fast, etc. But I have a problem, I went on irc (#parabola,#i3), but no one seem to know what is the solution. When I'm running compton, everything is fine, but then when I quit or logout or shutdown or restart, my system hang, and got two watch this line: (look at the picture) pictures of error lines http://tinypic.com/r/9giyxj/9 error from dmsg https://pastebin.com/JzYcxSSy my compton.conf https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Airblader/dotfiles-manjaro/master/.compton.conf After those 5 lines are display, Slim get back, and I have just my password to enter to launch a new session of i3/xfce. I try with xcompmgr and got no error but then compton is more advanced and seem needed for some program to work well. I'm using: extra/xf86-video-intel 1:2.99.917+831+ge7bfc906-1 (xorg-drivers) [installed] X.org Intel i810/i830/i915/945G/G965+ video drivers I got mesa (glxinfo): https://pastebin.com/bDRGQBRj any help would be appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill-auger at peers.community Thu May 24 02:04:04 2018 From: bill-auger at peers.community (bill-auger) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 21:04:04 -0400 Subject: [Assist] compton + i3 + parabola In-Reply-To: <1527122130.1336.0@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <1527122130.1336.0@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <302a1ce7-567a-d190-cb51-88f6a3bdca7a@peers.community> i dont have any real advice on this but i should say that your system will not run faster with compositing - if efficiency if what you want you should not use any compositor there is an article on the arch wiki that describes several different ways to start and stop compton - maybe that will be useful for you to read https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton#Troubleshooting -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From freemor at freemor.ca Thu May 24 02:06:14 2018 From: freemor at freemor.ca (Freemor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 22:06:14 -0300 Subject: [Assist] compton + i3 + parabola In-Reply-To: <1527122130.1336.0@smtp.videotron.ca> References: <1527122130.1336.0@smtp.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <20180524010614.GD2831@freemor.ca> Using I3 and the same video drivers you are (without compton) and having no issue I suspect the issue lies with compton Especially after doing some internet searches on it. I'd suggest checking with the compton folks From my searchingg compton seems to be a fussy thing (lots of people having lots of issues). You man need to edit the compton config or change its launch parameters. Possible thing to try would be the --vsync and --backend settings. But the compton people would probably know best. On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 08:35:30PM -0400, Jonathan wrote: > 3 days ago, I start using i3 on my parabola system. It work well, it > take quite a while to get used, but people seem to have told me that > at the end I will benefit from it. more custom, more fast, etc. > > But I have a problem, I went on irc (#parabola,#i3), but no one seem > to know what is the solution. When I'm running compton, everything > is fine, but then when I quit or logout or shutdown or restart, my > system hang, and got two watch this line: (look at the picture) > > pictures of error lines > > http://tinypic.com/r/9giyxj/9 > > error from dmsg > > https://pastebin.com/JzYcxSSy > > my compton.conf > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Airblader/dotfiles-manjaro/master/.compton.conf > > After those 5 lines are display, Slim get back, and I have just my > password to enter to launch a new session of i3/xfce. > > I try with xcompmgr and got no error but then compton is more > advanced and seem needed for some program to work well. > > I'm using: > > extra/xf86-video-intel 1:2.99.917+831+ge7bfc906-1 (xorg-drivers) > [installed] > X.org Intel i810/i830/i915/945G/G965+ video drivers > > I got mesa (glxinfo): > > https://pastebin.com/bDRGQBRj > > any help would be appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From edgar at openmail.cc Thu May 24 05:52:11 2018 From: edgar at openmail.cc (edgar at openmail.cc) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 23:52:11 -0500 Subject: [Assist] X and vesa driver with last update of Parabola In-Reply-To: References: <6d8a31c5f135b0a37e27c9999f923063@disroot.org> Message-ID: I'm still working on getting my computer to work. Will report back shortly. Thanks! Spam follows (do not read if you consider your time valuable, or read to face-palm): Have you ever had a nightmare when (1) your OS suddenly does not boot, (2) you have full disk encryption, (3) try to format your hard-drive, (4) tweaking the reinstall to make the encryption work, (5) in spite of having separate partitions for documents and OS you decide to mount your files on your home folder and (6) finally issue a userdel -rf "to make sure that your new user is clean". Well, I was not dreaming! But hey! This time I HAVE AN EFFIN' BACKUP :)))) :D !!!! On 2018-05-23 10:22, bill-auger wrote: > Sebasti?n and Edgar - > > a temporary fix is described in comment #6 on the bug tracker - does > that work > for you also? > > https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1819#note-6 > > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! From rudolf.dovicin at gmail.com Thu May 24 13:07:31 2018 From: rudolf.dovicin at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UnVkb2xmIERvdmnEjcOtbg==?=) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:07:31 +0200 Subject: [Assist] Connection OK, wicd clients say: disconnected (+ wi-fi hardware cables) Message-ID: Hello, dear supporters. :-) I have bought refurbished Atheros AR5BXB112 AR9380 to my ThinkPad X200 with Libreboot. It seems to work well (wicd-gtk show lot of networks from my mini-routher and from people in my neighbours, etherape shows, that it is working, when I am browsing, browser is working without connected LAN cable...) What is strange, wicd-gtk, wicd-cli show, that both, my cable and my wi-fi interfaces are disconnected. But I can connect to wi-fi by wicd-gtk, only graphics stop working: Progress bar start moving, it writes Connectin on it, but running rectagle freezes, all connections are in foggy/grey unclickable graphics. Status bar on the bottom writes: "Disconecting active connections..." But it turn on my wi-fi. Both wicd-cli -iz wicd-cli -iy writes "Connection status: Not connected" even if wi-fi was turned on by wicd-gtk and browsing is funcioning How is it possible? wicd.service is running. And I cannot connect enp0s25, wired connection. wicd-cli -cz writes: Connecting to wired connection on enp0s25 Putting interface down... Resetting IP address... Flushing the routing table... Putting interface up... Obtaining IP address... done! But it is not working: When I turn off wi-fi on mini-router, I lose connection to Internet. Please, what can be wrong? How to inspect it? And how to correct it? wicd-curses crashes, probably because I have my wi-fi name with diacritics, it says on trying to start: "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc4 in position 4: ordinal not in range(128)"] BTW: Hardware Maintenance Manual for X200 about wi-fi card says: "In models with wireless LAN card that has three antenna connector, plug the gray cable (MAIN) into the jack labeled TR1, the white cable (3rd) into jack labeled R0 or TR3, and the black cable (AUX) into jack labeled TR2 on the card." But my card has connectors with names CH0, CH1 & CH2. I guessed it by number order TR1 => CH0, TR2 => CH1, TR3 => CH2. Is it able to be working with wrongly connected cables? (E.g. Antennas with swapped frequencies, or both frequencies together so it will gain lesser part of signals?) -- Rudolf Dovi??n Matice slovenskej 1260/4-7 957 04 B?novce nad Bebravou 4 SLOVENSKO mailto:Rudolf.Dovicin at Gmail.com (cellular: +421 940 872 846, short messages only) From megver83 at hyperbola.info Fri May 25 02:36:29 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 21:36:29 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Connection OK, wicd clients say: disconnected (+ wi-fi hardware cables) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7d8d59b9-ffd7-591b-6809-8df884acbb8a@hyperbola.info> El 24/05/18 a las 08:07, Rudolf Dovi??n escribi?: > Hello, dear supporters. :-) > > I have bought refurbished Atheros AR5BXB112 AR9380 to my ThinkPad X200 > with Libreboot. > > It seems to work well (wicd-gtk show lot of networks from my > mini-routher and from people in my neighbours, etherape shows, that it > is working, when I am browsing, browser is working without connected > LAN cable...) > > What is strange, wicd-gtk, wicd-cli show, that both, my cable and my > wi-fi interfaces are disconnected. > > But I can connect to wi-fi by wicd-gtk, only graphics stop working: > Progress bar start moving, it writes Connectin on it, but running > rectagle freezes, all connections are in foggy/grey unclickable > graphics. > Status bar on the bottom writes: "Disconecting active connections..." > But it turn on my wi-fi. > Both > wicd-cli -iz > wicd-cli -iy > writes "Connection status: Not connected" > even if wi-fi was turned on by wicd-gtk and browsing is funcioning > > How is it possible? > > wicd.service is running. > > And I cannot connect enp0s25, wired connection. > wicd-cli -cz writes: > Connecting to wired connection on enp0s25 > Putting interface down... > Resetting IP address... > Flushing the routing table... > Putting interface up... > Obtaining IP address... > done! > But it is not working: When I turn off wi-fi on mini-router, I lose > connection to Internet. > > Please, what can be wrong? How to inspect it? And how to correct it? > > wicd-curses crashes, probably because I have my wi-fi name with > diacritics, it says on trying to start: > "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc4 in position > 4: ordinal not in range(128)"] > > BTW: Hardware Maintenance Manual for X200 about wi-fi card says: > "In models with wireless LAN card that has three antenna connector, > plug the gray cable (MAIN) into the jack labeled TR1, the white cable > (3rd) into jack labeled R0 or TR3, and the black cable (AUX) into jack > labeled TR2 on the card." > But my card has connectors with names CH0, CH1 & CH2. > I guessed it by number order TR1 => CH0, TR2 => CH1, TR3 => CH2. > Is it able to be working with wrongly connected cables? (E.g. Antennas > with swapped frequencies, or both frequencies together so it will gain > lesser part of signals?) > Is there any reason why you don't use NetworkManager? You can use the nm-connection-editor package for that (and network-manager-applet for notifications), and in CLI/Ncurses you've nmtui In the other hand, if you really want to use wicd, is there anything else in your logs? -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From megver83 at hyperbola.info Fri May 25 20:26:16 2018 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 15:26:16 -0400 Subject: [Assist] Connection OK, wicd clients say: disconnected (+ wi-fi hardware cables) In-Reply-To: References: <7d8d59b9-ffd7-591b-6809-8df884acbb8a@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: <30d9d81f-7d6a-169b-c66c-09c9e2f964d9@hyperbola.info> El 24/05/18 a las 23:00, Rudolf Dovi??n escribi?: > 2018-05-25 3:36 GMT+02:00 Megver83 : >> Is there any reason why you don't use NetworkManager? You can use the >> nm-connection-editor package for that (and network-manager-applet for >> notifications), and in CLI/Ncurses you've nmtui > > I prefer smaller utilities, NetworkManager seems to be very huge to me. :-) > wicd is no different in size to NM, IMO > >> In the other hand, if you really want to use wicd, is there anything >> else in your logs? > > I have found it now, that it has own log, it is quite confusing (it > writes to wicd.log.1, not to wicd.log) > > Here is log, when I try to connect by wicd-gtk both: > https://pastebin.com/tXtcDXDY > > Here is log, when I try to connect by wicd-cli by cable: > https://pastebin.com/fRJY5hKa > OK, in the first log I found 2018/05/25 04:29:19 :: WARNING: PSK generation failed! Falling back to wireless key. 2018/05/25 04:29:19 :: Please report this error to the wicd developers! So maybe you should get in touch with the wicd devs, like the warning says. Btw, as a suggestion, when posting a pastebin, post it as raw, so we can easily get them with curl. -- ~Megver83 SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Matrix: @Megver83:matrix.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: