From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info Tue Aug 1 17:41:00 2017 From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 11:41:00 -0500 Subject: [Assist] No puedo vizualizar mi entorno de escritorio de mi parabola recien instalado. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1501605660.2446.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info> copio para la lista [assist], donde recibir? mayor atenci?n de otros usuarios. sugiero que te suscribas para que recibas respuestas en bandeja y puedas responderles. [assist]: https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/assist/ Freddyanimagames escribi?: > Hola Issac que tal. > Hace poco me aventure a instalar Parabola. Instale satisfactoriamente > la distribuci?n gracias a la gu?a que hay en la pagina, mas un > tutorial que me encontr? en Goblin Refuge y algunos amigos del foro > de trisquel. Pero mi actual problema es que no puedo visualizar ni el > entorno de escritorio de mi eleccion (mate) ni el basico que me > parece viene al descargar los paquetes de Xorg. > > No puedo visualizar el entorno por que me dice que no tengo los > permisos. > > /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X: Permission denied > /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X: cannot execute: > Permission denied > xinit: giving up > xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused > xinit: server error > > Me parece tambien que por mi falta de experiencia he tocado mucho > /.xinitrc y creado otros archivos y a la hora de que instale los xorg > no me aparece el "xorg-server-utils" > > Ahora estoy mandando el mensaje desde parabola mate en "live" usb, > ese tampoco lo pude instalar con el script que viene, no se si es por > mi computadora (macbook pro) pero desde aqui he hecho tambien la > instalaci?n desde el terminal. No se si eso puede traer un problema. > > Parabola es una distro increible, muchas gracias. > > Saludos. no he le?do esa gu?a pero sospecho que est? algo vieja. el paquete `xorg-server-utils` ya no existe. has intentado con las gu?as de nuestra wiki? lo de los permisos es muy raro. ?qu? informaci?n te aparece en `ls -l /usr/bin/Xorg` ? ?qu? comando quieres ejecutar y con qu? usuario? me parece que la wiki de Arch contiene art?culos sobre las macbook, si bien no creo que tu problema se deba a la computadora que utilizas. -- Isaac David GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943 Tox: 0C730E0156E96E6193A1445D413557FF5F277BA969A4EA20AC9352889D3B390E77651E816F0C From divan at santanas.co.za Sun Aug 20 20:09:50 2017 From: divan at santanas.co.za (Divan Santana) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:09:50 +0200 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd Message-ID: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> Hi All, I'm pretty pleased to see the parabola community working on alternatives to systemd. Recently there was the notsystemd announcement[1]. [1]: https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-July/005755.html Then there is the openrc parabola wiki document[2]. [2]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? What about notsystemd? How does that fit into the equation? And is there any docs on that? -- Divan From megver83 at hyperbola.info Sun Aug 20 22:51:31 2017 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:51:31 -0300 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> Message-ID: <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> El 20/08/17 a las 16:09, Divan Santana escribi?: > Hi All, > > I'm pretty pleased to see the parabola community working on alternatives > to systemd. > > Recently there was the notsystemd announcement[1]. > > [1]: https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-July/005755.html > > Then there is the openrc parabola wiki document[2]. > > [2]: https://wiki.parabola.nu/OpenRC > > So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. > > Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? Yes > > What about notsystemd? How does that fit into the equation? And is there > any docs on that? > -- > Divan > _______________________________________________ > Assist mailing list > Assist at lists.parabola.nu > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/assist > Good that you mention this. Notsystemd can replace eudev, and will work with eudev-openrc, so I added it in provides=(), although no one has rebuild it yet (by my side, lack of time). If I have some free time, I'll update the OpenRC article. -- ~Megver83 https://megver83.ga/ SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org IRC (Freenode): Megver83 XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Pump: Megver83 at datamost.com Friendica: megver83 at friendica.eu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From divan at santanas.co.za Tue Aug 22 10:42:55 2017 From: divan at santanas.co.za (Divan Santana) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:42:55 +0200 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> Megver83 writes: >> So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. >> >> Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? > > Yes Done - thanks. All worked pretty well except for two things. Docker openrc missing. Fortunately one in AUR. shorewall openrc missing. Can't find one yet. >> What about notsystemd? How does that fit into the equation? And is there >> any docs on that? > Good that you mention this. Notsystemd can replace eudev, and will work > with eudev-openrc, so I added it in provides=(), although no one has > rebuild it yet (by my side, lack of time). > > If I have some free time, I'll update the OpenRC article. Cool. It would be nice to read up on the differences to systemd and eudev. -- Divan From divan at santanas.co.za Tue Aug 22 12:00:59 2017 From: divan at santanas.co.za (Divan Santana) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:00:59 +0200 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> Message-ID: <87a82r50k4.fsf@santanas.co.za> Divan Santana writes: > Megver83 writes: > >>> So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. >>> >>> Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? >> >> Yes > > Done - thanks. > > All worked pretty well except for two things. > > Docker openrc missing. Fortunately one in AUR. > shorewall openrc missing. Can't find one yet. Also libvirt complains of error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' even though it looks right to me. ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/|grep -i libv -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 libvirtd* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 libvirt-guests* >>> What about notsystemd? How does that fit into the equation? And is there >>> any docs on that? > >> Good that you mention this. Notsystemd can replace eudev, and will work >> with eudev-openrc, so I added it in provides=(), although no one has >> rebuild it yet (by my side, lack of time). >> >> If I have some free time, I'll update the OpenRC article. > > Cool. It would be nice to read up on the differences to systemd and > eudev. -- Divan From megver83 at hyperbola.info Tue Aug 22 20:20:42 2017 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:20:42 -0300 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <87a82r50k4.fsf@santanas.co.za> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> <87a82r50k4.fsf@santanas.co.za> Message-ID: <53f25f3c-0571-87cf-e09d-b5d8997d247d@hyperbola.info> El 22/08/17 a las 08:00, Divan Santana escribi?: > > Divan Santana writes: > >> Megver83 writes: >> >>>> So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. >>>> >>>> Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? >>> >>> Yes >> >> Done - thanks. >> >> All worked pretty well except for two things. >> >> Docker openrc missing. Fortunately one in AUR. >> shorewall openrc missing. Can't find one yet. Found it right here https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.initd It also has a configuration file https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.confd For shorewall6: init.d: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.initd-r1 conf.d: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.confd-r1 Well, there are also many other init.d and conf.d files https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files All the *.initd go to /etc/init.d and all the *.confd go to /etc/conf.d You can make your own PKGBUILD based on one from the abslibre.git (from the openrc-* ones of course) https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/pcr (they are all in [pcr]) > > Also libvirt complains of > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' > even though it looks right to me. > > ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/|grep -i libv > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 libvirtd* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 libvirt-guests* > I think I had this problem. Doing pacman -S --force libvirt-openrc should work. Do not forget to install and enable firewalld-openrc too, otherwise the init script won't start. >>>> What about notsystemd? How does that fit into the equation? And is there >>>> any docs on that? >> >>> Good that you mention this. Notsystemd can replace eudev, and will work >>> with eudev-openrc, so I added it in provides=(), although no one has >>> rebuild it yet (by my side, lack of time). >>> >>> If I have some free time, I'll update the OpenRC article. >> >> Cool. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From divan at santanas.co.za Wed Aug 23 22:23:43 2017 From: divan at santanas.co.za (Divan Santana) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 23:23:43 +0200 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <53f25f3c-0571-87cf-e09d-b5d8997d247d@hyperbola.info> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> <87a82r50k4.fsf@santanas.co.za> <53f25f3c-0571-87cf-e09d-b5d8997d247d@hyperbola.info> Message-ID: <87inhe2d28.fsf@santanas.co.za> >>>>> So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. >>>>> >>>>> Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? >>>> >>>> Yes >>> >>> Done - thanks. >>> >>> All worked pretty well except for two things. >>> >>> Docker openrc missing. Fortunately one in AUR. >>> shorewall openrc missing. Can't find one yet. > > Found it right here > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.initd > > It also has a configuration file > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.confd > > For shorewall6: > > init.d: > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.initd-r1 > > conf.d: > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.confd-r1 > > Well, there are also many other init.d and conf.d files > https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files > > All the *.initd go to /etc/init.d and all the *.confd go to /etc/conf.d > You can make your own PKGBUILD based on one from the abslibre.git (from > the openrc-* ones of course) > https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/pcr > (they are all in [pcr]) Cool I should look at doing that. I'll try sometime. Thanks for all the info! >> Also libvirt complains of >> error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' >> error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' >> even though it looks right to me. >> >> ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/|grep -i libv >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 libvirtd* >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 libvirt-guests* >> > > I think I had this problem. Doing pacman -S --force libvirt-openrc > should work. Turns out to be some issue with yaourt... Not sure of the fix though. PASTE ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/libvirt* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 /etc/conf.d/libvirtd* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 /etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests* ~ ? yaourt -Ss libvirt-openrc pcr/libvirt-openrc 20170309-1.parabola4 (openrc-misc) [installed] aur/libvirt-openrc 20170309-1 [installed: 20170309-1.parabola4] (0) (0.00) ~ ? yaourt -Syyu --noconfirm nonprism libre core extra community pcr archlinuxfr error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' ~ ? sudo pacman -Syyu --noconfirm nonprism libre core extra community pcr archlinuxfr :: Starting full system upgrade... there is nothing to do ~ ? yaourt -Syyu --noconfirm nonprism libre core extra community pcr archlinuxfr error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' PASTE So issue only occurs with yaourt. Weird. > Do not forget to install and enable firewalld-openrc too, > otherwise the init script won't start. About this. I edit /etc/init.d/libvirtd and delete "need firewalld". Since I don't use that. I use shorewall. Shouldn't firewalld not be a hard depend? -- Divan From megver83 at hyperbola.info Wed Aug 23 22:32:14 2017 From: megver83 at hyperbola.info (Megver83) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:32:14 -0300 Subject: [Assist] alternatives to systemd In-Reply-To: <87inhe2d28.fsf@santanas.co.za> References: <87bmnaxdhd.fsf@santanas.co.za> <62c78524-ad4d-9c21-9e49-2296c29b30a2@hyperbola.info> <87d17o3pls.fsf@santanas.co.za> <87a82r50k4.fsf@santanas.co.za> <53f25f3c-0571-87cf-e09d-b5d8997d247d@hyperbola.info> <87inhe2d28.fsf@santanas.co.za> Message-ID: <4d04c5e0-a9e3-4604-2d4b-202390fc9ccf@hyperbola.info> El 23/08/17 a las 18:23, Divan Santana escribi?: >>>>>> So I'm interested in stripping systemd from my parabola system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can one simply go through the openrc wiki doc and use eudev+openrc? >>>>> >>>>> Yes >>>> >>>> Done - thanks. >>>> >>>> All worked pretty well except for two things. >>>> >>>> Docker openrc missing. Fortunately one in AUR. >>>> shorewall openrc missing. Can't find one yet. >> >> Found it right here >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.initd >> >> It also has a configuration file >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall-init.confd >> >> For shorewall6: >> >> init.d: >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.initd-r1 >> >> conf.d: >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall6.confd-r1 >> >> Well, there are also many other init.d and conf.d files >> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-firewall/shorewall/files >> >> All the *.initd go to /etc/init.d and all the *.confd go to /etc/conf.d >> You can make your own PKGBUILD based on one from the abslibre.git (from >> the openrc-* ones of course) >> https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/pcr >> (they are all in [pcr]) > > Cool I should look at doing that. I'll try sometime. Thanks for all the info! > >>> Also libvirt complains of >>> error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' >>> error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' >>> even though it looks right to me. >>> >>> ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/|grep -i libv >>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 libvirtd* >>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 libvirt-guests* >>> >> >> I think I had this problem. Doing pacman -S --force libvirt-openrc >> should work. > > Turns out to be some issue with yaourt... Not sure of the fix though. Hummm, yaourt, it's in the your-freedom blacklist. I don't recommend you to use it. > > PASTE > ~ ? l /etc/conf.d/libvirt* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 740 Mar 29 09:53 /etc/conf.d/libvirtd* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.4K Mar 29 09:53 /etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests* > ~ ? yaourt -Ss libvirt-openrc > pcr/libvirt-openrc 20170309-1.parabola4 (openrc-misc) [installed] > aur/libvirt-openrc 20170309-1 [installed: 20170309-1.parabola4] (0) (0.00) > ~ ? yaourt -Syyu --noconfirm > nonprism > libre > core > extra > community > pcr > archlinuxfr > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' > ~ ? sudo pacman -Syyu --noconfirm > nonprism > libre > core > extra > community > pcr > archlinuxfr > :: Starting full system upgrade... > there is nothing to do > ~ ? yaourt -Syyu --noconfirm > nonprism > libre > core > extra > community > pcr > archlinuxfr > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirt-guests' > error: file owned by 'libvirt' and 'libvirt-openrc': 'etc/conf.d/libvirtd' > PASTE > But I see you never run 'pacman -S --force libvirt-openrc' > So issue only occurs with yaourt. Weird. > >> Do not forget to install and enable firewalld-openrc too, >> otherwise the init script won't start. > > About this. I edit /etc/init.d/libvirtd and delete "need firewalld". > Since I don't use that. I use shorewall. Shouldn't firewalld not be a > hard depend? No idea, but for some reason it's there I think ... > > -- > Divan > -- ~Megver83 https://megver83.ga/ SIP: megver83 at sip.linphone.org IRC (Freenode): Megver83 XMPP: megver83 at jabjab.de Tox: megver83 at toxme.io GPG: 0x227CA7C556B2BA78 GNUSocial: @megver82 at quitter.cl Diaspora*: megver83 at diasp.org Pump: Megver83 at datamost.com Friendica: megver83 at friendica.eu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 520 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: