From hayder at riseup.net  Tue Nov 15 16:27:35 2016
From: hayder at riseup.net (hayder at riseup.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:27:35 +0300
Subject: [Assist] Missing Package in mate
Message-ID: <4a9b6539149a60aced4ec1c1e38b48a0@riseup.net>

Hi
I tried to install mate desktop ( gtk2 and gtk3) but i have some missing 
packages like mate-system-tools or mate-tweak,so, my question is why 
this packages not in repository ? it's because critical 
licenses/software? and what is the alternative for these apps ( like 
'users manager' or 'add/remove language')

BestRegard
Hayder

From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sat Nov 19 20:05:35 2016
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:05:35 -0600
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
Message-ID: <F1A6947E-C166-4384-BC3A-344161407BEF@deshackra.com>

Yeah, I discovered this after an upgrade done to my system, today I was in the recovery shell and issuing 'lvm vgscan' throw this:

lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB keeps sending me back to the menu or the command line without throwing errors of any kind. I don't have any other computer here or know someone running GNU to give me a hand and fix my laptop.

Any suggestions? I'm desperate.
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From moritz at klammler.eu  Sat Nov 19 21:34:42 2016
From: moritz at klammler.eu (Moritz Klammler)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:34:42 +0100
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
In-Reply-To: Jorge Araya Navarro's message of "Sat\,
 19 Nov 2016 14\:05\:35 -0600
 \(1 hour\, 12 minutes\, 58 seconds ago\)"
Message-ID: <87oa1bw3v1.fsf@klammler.eu>

The same happened to me and (apparently) many others.  I'm somewhat
disappointed that the Arch project still didn't add an item on the NEWS
page for this even though it was suggested in their forums.  Maybe the
Parabola website can add a notice on its own?

The problem is that the order in which libreadline is updated and the
new kernel image is built is broken.  If you manually run

    # mkinitcpio -p ${KERNEL}

after

    # pacman -Syu

has completed (with an incorrect exit code claiming success when it
actually failed to create a bootable kernel image), everything will be
fine.

If you have already powered off the system, booting a live-system,
mounting your hard drive, chroot()ing into it and running `mkinitcpio`
from there also fixes the issue.

I'm sorry to hear that you cannot boot a live-system either.  I'm afraid
that you probably won't be able to fix your system without doing that.
I cannot diagnose what might be the problem that your Grub refuses to
boot a live-system and I'm also not an expert on this so I'm sorry for
somehow giving you a non-answer.  I'm posting this anyway in the hope
that it might help others from running into this (avoidable) situation
in the first place.  I can assure you that I have already successfully
bootet live systems from Libreboot's GRUB, though, so hopefully a more
experienced person will be able to diagnose your problem so you can fix
your system, too.



Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:

> Yeah, I discovered this after an upgrade done to my system, today I
> was in the recovery shell and issuing 'lvm vgscan' throw this:
>
> lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB keeps sending
> me back to the menu or the command line without throwing errors of any kind. I
> don't have any other computer here or know someone running GNU to give me a
> hand and fix my laptop.
>
> Any suggestions? I'm desperate.

-- 
OpenPGP:

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Fingerprint:  2732 DA32 C8D0 EEEC A081  BE9D CF6C 5166 F393 A9C0
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From isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info  Sat Nov 19 22:07:09 2016
From: isacdaavid at isacdaavid.info (Isaac David)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:07:09 -0600
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
In-Reply-To: <F1A6947E-C166-4384-BC3A-344161407BEF@deshackra.com>
References: <F1A6947E-C166-4384-BC3A-344161407BEF@deshackra.com>
Message-ID: <1479593229.1162.0@plebeian.isacdaavid.info>

Le sam. 19 nov. 2016 ? 14:05, Jorge Araya Navarro 
<elcorreo at deshackra.com> a ?crit :
> lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot 
> open shared object file: No such file or directory

This is strange because both lvm2 and readline come from [core], but
the Arch team didn't screw it up as far as I can tell:

    $ ldd "$(which lvm)" | grep readline
    		libreadline.so.7 => /usr/lib/libreadline.so.7 (0xb759e000)

EDIT: Ignore the above. I've read Moritz' email.

> The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB 
> keeps sending me back to the menu or the command line without 
> throwing errors of any kind.

I would give lvm what it wants. I would extract libreadline.so.6, either
from `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/` or from https://archive.archlinux.org
(I assume you'd be able to connect to the Internet from the recovery
shell, or at least mount an external drive with the required file). Then
place it in `/usr/lib/` along libreadline.so.7 and reboot.

-- 
Isaac David
GPG: 38D33EF29A7691134357648733466E12EC7BA943
Tox: 
0C730E0156E96E6193A1445D413557FF5F277BA969A4EA20AC9352889D3B390E77651E816F0C




From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Sun Nov 20 10:47:05 2016
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 04:47:05 -0600
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
In-Reply-To: <87oa1bw3v1.fsf@klammler.eu>
References: <87oa1bw3v1.fsf@klammler.eu>
Message-ID: <943ECE6C-45C1-4B92-A118-C5ABC8777E47@deshackra.com>

Thank God All-Mighty I remembered having Parabola installed in my portable hard driver, everything I had to do in GRUB command line was:

grub> configfile (usb1,msdos3)/boot/grub/grub.cfg 

And now I had a rescue device to fix this mess on my laptop :)

I don't think this will work for people that isn't using UUID to identify their partitions in a Parabola installation, people should be aware.

El 19 de noviembre de 2016 15:34:42 GMT-06:00, Moritz Klammler <moritz at klammler.eu> escribi?:
>The same happened to me and (apparently) many others.  I'm somewhat
>disappointed that the Arch project still didn't add an item on the NEWS
>page for this even though it was suggested in their forums.  Maybe the
>Parabola website can add a notice on its own?
>
>The problem is that the order in which libreadline is updated and the
>new kernel image is built is broken.  If you manually run
>
>    # mkinitcpio -p ${KERNEL}
>
>after
>
>    # pacman -Syu
>
>has completed (with an incorrect exit code claiming success when it
>actually failed to create a bootable kernel image), everything will be
>fine.
>
>If you have already powered off the system, booting a live-system,
>mounting your hard drive, chroot()ing into it and running `mkinitcpio`
>from there also fixes the issue.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that you cannot boot a live-system either.  I'm
>afraid
>that you probably won't be able to fix your system without doing that.
>I cannot diagnose what might be the problem that your Grub refuses to
>boot a live-system and I'm also not an expert on this so I'm sorry for
>somehow giving you a non-answer.  I'm posting this anyway in the hope
>that it might help others from running into this (avoidable) situation
>in the first place.  I can assure you that I have already successfully
>bootet live systems from Libreboot's GRUB, though, so hopefully a more
>experienced person will be able to diagnose your problem so you can fix
>your system, too.
>
>
>
>Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:
>
>> Yeah, I discovered this after an upgrade done to my system, today I
>> was in the recovery shell and issuing 'lvm vgscan' throw this:
>>
>> lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot
>open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>
>> The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB
>keeps sending
>> me back to the menu or the command line without throwing errors of
>any kind. I
>> don't have any other computer here or know someone running GNU to
>give me a
>> hand and fix my laptop.
>>
>> Any suggestions? I'm desperate.
>
>-- 
>OpenPGP:
>
>Public Key:   http://openpgp.klammler.eu
>Fingerprint:  2732 DA32 C8D0 EEEC A081  BE9D CF6C 5166 F393 A9C0

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From emulatorman at riseup.net  Mon Nov 21 17:28:27 2016
From: emulatorman at riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Silva?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:28:27 -0300
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
In-Reply-To: <943ECE6C-45C1-4B92-A118-C5ABC8777E47@deshackra.com>
References: <87oa1bw3v1.fsf@klammler.eu>
 <943ECE6C-45C1-4B92-A118-C5ABC8777E47@deshackra.com>
Message-ID: <9066496f-137c-e57b-f342-e8f0f6e18cdc@riseup.net>

I moved to mkinitcpio running as pacman hook to fix lvm2 breakage
[0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

[0]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=537937951f57f7a2ec6368c93f39fd45a255c90b
[1]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=cca3ade68a74f2fed49ba1028268705fba755443
[2]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=fed2f35b30e6af461bd5c738fefcabb83fc60a2b
[3]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=e719b9b573ef4d055088a100442802e77d505f4e
[4]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=89a9812e5b82466c6329c553402e3452dda2f05c
[5]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=627aadb93671b80863ad06516cb0c756290ee5db
[6]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=45e9b7d7e7818135931ea946226ef1a659a42ad1
[7]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=13005bbfdbea5ccea359bff140093633de524a8c
[8]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=f6aaf35ec25fe95410b13147f52b1b93b7ba34ac
[9]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=542f725ac055df44aaa7741469e78237db95e5df
[10]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=a04df5263cf024f9a064372f924e408e646f57f0
[11]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=9a1e45b64840472e427edab26454fb66264bd514
[12]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=5180f7e2c27a6d213db3b3aee9eecc6c8a483d8e

On 11/20/2016 07:47 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
> Thank God All-Mighty I remembered having Parabola installed in my portable hard driver, everything I had to do in GRUB command line was:
> 
> grub> configfile (usb1,msdos3)/boot/grub/grub.cfg 
> 
> And now I had a rescue device to fix this mess on my laptop :)
> 
> I don't think this will work for people that isn't using UUID to identify their partitions in a Parabola installation, people should be aware.
> 
> El 19 de noviembre de 2016 15:34:42 GMT-06:00, Moritz Klammler <moritz at klammler.eu> escribi?:
>> The same happened to me and (apparently) many others.  I'm somewhat
>> disappointed that the Arch project still didn't add an item on the NEWS
>> page for this even though it was suggested in their forums.  Maybe the
>> Parabola website can add a notice on its own?
>>
>> The problem is that the order in which libreadline is updated and the
>> new kernel image is built is broken.  If you manually run
>>
>>    # mkinitcpio -p ${KERNEL}
>>
>> after
>>
>>    # pacman -Syu
>>
>> has completed (with an incorrect exit code claiming success when it
>> actually failed to create a bootable kernel image), everything will be
>> fine.
>>
>> If you have already powered off the system, booting a live-system,
>> mounting your hard drive, chroot()ing into it and running `mkinitcpio`
>>from there also fixes the issue.
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear that you cannot boot a live-system either.  I'm
>> afraid
>> that you probably won't be able to fix your system without doing that.
>> I cannot diagnose what might be the problem that your Grub refuses to
>> boot a live-system and I'm also not an expert on this so I'm sorry for
>> somehow giving you a non-answer.  I'm posting this anyway in the hope
>> that it might help others from running into this (avoidable) situation
>> in the first place.  I can assure you that I have already successfully
>> bootet live systems from Libreboot's GRUB, though, so hopefully a more
>> experienced person will be able to diagnose your problem so you can fix
>> your system, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:
>>
>>> Yeah, I discovered this after an upgrade done to my system, today I
>>> was in the recovery shell and issuing 'lvm vgscan' throw this:
>>>
>>> lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot
>> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB
>> keeps sending
>>> me back to the menu or the command line without throwing errors of
>> any kind. I
>>> don't have any other computer here or know someone running GNU to
>> give me a
>>> hand and fix my laptop.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions? I'm desperate.
>>
>> -- 
>> OpenPGP:
>>
>> Public Key:   http://openpgp.klammler.eu
>> Fingerprint:  2732 DA32 C8D0 EEEC A081  BE9D CF6C 5166 F393 A9C0
> 
> 
> 
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From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Mon Nov 21 20:50:45 2016
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:50:45 -0600
Subject: [Assist] Last upgrade broke lvm2 and I can't boot
In-Reply-To: <9066496f-137c-e57b-f342-e8f0f6e18cdc@riseup.net>
References: <87oa1bw3v1.fsf@klammler.eu>
 <943ECE6C-45C1-4B92-A118-C5ABC8777E47@deshackra.com>
 <9066496f-137c-e57b-f342-e8f0f6e18cdc@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <87h970blqy.fsf@abril.charola>

cool, thanks man!

El lunes 21 de noviembre del 2016 a las 1728 horas, Andr? Silva escribi?:

> I moved to mkinitcpio running as pacman hook to fix lvm2 breakage
> [0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]
>
> [0]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=537937951f57f7a2ec6368c93f39fd45a255c90b
> [1]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=cca3ade68a74f2fed49ba1028268705fba755443
> [2]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=fed2f35b30e6af461bd5c738fefcabb83fc60a2b
> [3]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=e719b9b573ef4d055088a100442802e77d505f4e
> [4]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=89a9812e5b82466c6329c553402e3452dda2f05c
> [5]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=627aadb93671b80863ad06516cb0c756290ee5db
> [6]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=45e9b7d7e7818135931ea946226ef1a659a42ad1
> [7]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=13005bbfdbea5ccea359bff140093633de524a8c
> [8]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=f6aaf35ec25fe95410b13147f52b1b93b7ba34ac
> [9]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=542f725ac055df44aaa7741469e78237db95e5df
> [10]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=a04df5263cf024f9a064372f924e408e646f57f0
> [11]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=9a1e45b64840472e427edab26454fb66264bd514
> [12]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/commit/?id=5180f7e2c27a6d213db3b3aee9eecc6c8a483d8e
>
> On 11/20/2016 07:47 AM, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote:
>> Thank God All-Mighty I remembered having Parabola installed in my portable hard driver, everything I had to do in GRUB command line was:
>>
>> grub> configfile (usb1,msdos3)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
>>
>> And now I had a rescue device to fix this mess on my laptop :)
>>
>> I don't think this will work for people that isn't using UUID to identify their partitions in a Parabola installation, people should be aware.
>>
>> El 19 de noviembre de 2016 15:34:42 GMT-06:00, Moritz Klammler <moritz at klammler.eu> escribi?:
>>> The same happened to me and (apparently) many others.  I'm somewhat
>>> disappointed that the Arch project still didn't add an item on the NEWS
>>> page for this even though it was suggested in their forums.  Maybe the
>>> Parabola website can add a notice on its own?
>>>
>>> The problem is that the order in which libreadline is updated and the
>>> new kernel image is built is broken.  If you manually run
>>>
>>>    # mkinitcpio -p ${KERNEL}
>>>
>>> after
>>>
>>>    # pacman -Syu
>>>
>>> has completed (with an incorrect exit code claiming success when it
>>> actually failed to create a bootable kernel image), everything will be
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> If you have already powered off the system, booting a live-system,
>>> mounting your hard drive, chroot()ing into it and running `mkinitcpio`
>>>from there also fixes the issue.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to hear that you cannot boot a live-system either.  I'm
>>> afraid
>>> that you probably won't be able to fix your system without doing that.
>>> I cannot diagnose what might be the problem that your Grub refuses to
>>> boot a live-system and I'm also not an expert on this so I'm sorry for
>>> somehow giving you a non-answer.  I'm posting this anyway in the hope
>>> that it might help others from running into this (avoidable) situation
>>> in the first place.  I can assure you that I have already successfully
>>> bootet live systems from Libreboot's GRUB, though, so hopefully a more
>>> experienced person will be able to diagnose your problem so you can fix
>>> your system, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I discovered this after an upgrade done to my system, today I
>>>> was in the recovery shell and issuing 'lvm vgscan' throw this:
>>>>
>>>> lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.6: cannot
>>> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>>>>
>>>> The worst thing is that I can't boot a live cd, Libreboot's GRUB
>>> keeps sending
>>>> me back to the menu or the command line without throwing errors of
>>> any kind. I
>>>> don't have any other computer here or know someone running GNU to
>>> give me a
>>>> hand and fix my laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions? I'm desperate.
>>>
>>> --
>>> OpenPGP:
>>>
>>> Public Key:   http://openpgp.klammler.eu
>>> Fingerprint:  2732 DA32 C8D0 EEEC A081  BE9D CF6C 5166 F393 A9C0
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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? Pax et bonum.
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From ramana at member.fsf.org  Sun Nov 27 08:54:26 2016
From: ramana at member.fsf.org (Ramana Kumar)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 19:54:26 +1100
Subject: [Assist] ec fonts
In-Reply-To: <87r383h6zw.fsf@abril.charola>
References: <20150412170113.GA27532@zebra-laptop.karel>
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Yes please. I am stuck on an old version of TexLive because of this issue.

On 29 September 2016 at 10:42, Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com>
wrote:

> Why cannot we revert these changes making EC fonts available again while
> upstream solves the issue?
>
> El mi?rcoles 28 de septiembre del 2016 a las 1243 horas, Andr? Silva
> escribi?:
>
> > On 09/27/2016 05:26 PM, mcgregor at mailoo.org wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 21 2016, Andr? Silva <emulatorman at riseup.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 03/21/2016 12:53 AM, Ramana Kumar wrote:
> >>>> Andr?, I saw you were about to make progress on this, but then
> stopped.
> >>>> Did Micha? put you off? Please don't delay any longer. It's a simple
> >>>> issue, and is disrupting work for many of us.
> >>>
> >>> ok, i'll begin it tomorrow to get a way to solve this issue! Sorry for
> >>> the delay since i forgot it. Meanwhile, could you open a report bug
> >>> about it to labs and assign me to remember about this task?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It still doesn't work for me (ecrm fonts still missing). I've just been
> >> facing the issue with moderncv. None of the solutions I found online
> >> worked, all of which were about changing fontenc.
> >>
> >> It turns out that the moderncv.cls file contains:
> >>
> >> \RequirePackage[T1]{fontenc}
> >>   \IfFileExists{lmodern.sty}%
> >>     {\RequirePackage{lmodern}}%
> >>     {}
> >>
> >> Commenting this out fixed it for me and I haven't noticed any issue in
> >> the output file, but it's rather dirty.
> >
> > I opened a report about it with more details. [0]
> > Otherwise, coadde opened a similar one to Arch [1]
> >
> > [0]:https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/972
> > [1]:https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/48683
> >
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