From csanyipal at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 06:27:58 2014
From: csanyipal at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q3PDoW55aSBQw6Fs?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:27:58 +0200
Subject: [Assist] Can't upgrade my ParabolaGNUlinux system
Message-ID: <CAONhAovM205yZBBwqV2HhNBgQhMwkq8h9Nz94wsFi+mCrV1TgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

when I'm trying to upgrade my system with:

$ yaourt -Syu

command, after download packages, I get error messages, like:

error: linux-libre: signature from "Andr? Silva
<emulatorman at riseup.net>" is unknown trust
:: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-3.14.5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
Do you want to delete it? [Y/n]

and so on, on every downloaded packages.

What can I do to solve this problem?

-- 
Regards from Pal

From ramana at member.fsf.org  Wed Jun  4 06:43:37 2014
From: ramana at member.fsf.org (Ramana Kumar)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:43:37 +0100
Subject: [Assist] Can't upgrade my ParabolaGNUlinux system
In-Reply-To: <CAONhAovM205yZBBwqV2HhNBgQhMwkq8h9Nz94wsFi+mCrV1TgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONhAovM205yZBBwqV2HhNBgQhMwkq8h9Nz94wsFi+mCrV1TgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMej=25Xxfau9_jaeCticqfru2J4Gd8aORpsispyyEOepRT8ow@mail.gmail.com>

Upgrade parabola-keyring first, on its own.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Cs?nyi P?l <csanyipal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> when I'm trying to upgrade my system with:
>
> $ yaourt -Syu
>
> command, after download packages, I get error messages, like:
>
> error: linux-libre: signature from "Andr? Silva
> <emulatorman at riseup.net>" is unknown trust
> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-3.14.5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
> is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
> Do you want to delete it? [Y/n]
>
> and so on, on every downloaded packages.
>
> What can I do to solve this problem?
>
> --
> Regards from Pal
> _______________________________________________
> Assist mailing list
> Assist at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/assist
>
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From csanyipal at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 07:02:56 2014
From: csanyipal at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q3PDoW55aSBQw6Fs?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:02:56 +0200
Subject: [Assist] Can't upgrade my ParabolaGNUlinux system
In-Reply-To: <CAMej=25Xxfau9_jaeCticqfru2J4Gd8aORpsispyyEOepRT8ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONhAovM205yZBBwqV2HhNBgQhMwkq8h9Nz94wsFi+mCrV1TgA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMej=25Xxfau9_jaeCticqfru2J4Gd8aORpsispyyEOepRT8ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAONhAosGBPdufSuSL0XrpkOniwu9=_a+vUm9CP+8N7wiSrw8Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ramana,

> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Cs?nyi P?l <csanyipal at gmail.com> wrote:

>> when I'm trying to upgrade my system with:
>>
>> $ yaourt -Syu
>>
>> command, after download packages, I get error messages, like:
>>
>> error: linux-libre: signature from "Andr? Silva
>> <emulatorman at riseup.net>" is unknown trust
>> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/linux-libre-3.14.5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>> is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).
>> Do you want to delete it? [Y/n]
>>
>> and so on, on every downloaded packages.
>>
>> What can I do to solve this problem?

2014-06-04 8:43 GMT+02:00 Ramana Kumar <ramana at member.fsf.org>:
> Upgrade parabola-keyring first, on its own.

I have not even installed parabola-keyring package.

After I installed it, the upgrade command works. Thanks!

-- 
Regards from Pal

From dima at minignu.minidns.net  Wed Jun 11 23:07:11 2014
From: dima at minignu.minidns.net (Dima)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 02:07:11 +0300
Subject: [Assist] no init after installation
Message-ID: <86a99j11wg.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>

Hi,
  I did an installation of Parabola using the official media from Sep
  2013.

  After doing all installation steps from the Wiki, then rebooting,
  seemingly root FS is checked and then the system just stops - no
  login screen appears. The system does not hang - it reacts to e.g.
  CDROM insertion, CTRL-ALT-DEL.

  Seemingly no init script is run, and there is indeed no init and no
  /etc/inittab on the system... Wiki says Parabola uses sysvinit, but it
  is not onboard.... If it is systemd... The bottom line - sytem does
  not init!

  I would appreciate help on how do I continue to make fresh installed
  system to be a working one.

Thanks,
  Dima.

From elcorreo at deshackra.com  Thu Jun 12 13:31:03 2014
From: elcorreo at deshackra.com (Jorge Araya Navarro)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:31:03 -0600
Subject: [Assist] no init after installation
In-Reply-To: <86a99j11wg.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
References: <86a99j11wg.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
Message-ID: <1402579863.2368.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

El jue, 12-06-2014 a las 02:07 +0300, Dima escribi?:

> Hi,
>   I did an installation of Parabola using the official media from Sep
>   2013.
> 
>   After doing all installation steps from the Wiki, then rebooting,
>   seemingly root FS is checked and then the system just stops - no
>   login screen appears. The system does not hang - it reacts to e.g.
>   CDROM insertion, CTRL-ALT-DEL.
> 
>   Seemingly no init script is run, and there is indeed no init and no
>   /etc/inittab on the system... Wiki says Parabola uses sysvinit, but it
>   is not onboard.... If it is systemd... The bottom line - sytem does
>   not init!
> 
>   I would appreciate help on how do I continue to make fresh installed
>   system to be a working one.
> 
> Thanks,
>   Dima.
> _______________________________________________
> Assist mailing list
> Assist at lists.parabolagnulinux.org
> https://lists.parabolagnulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/assist


You can chroot into your installation
https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Chroot and then be ready to make the
fixes your system needs. I don't know which ones, since I don't
understand completely your issue...
-- 
Pax et bonum.
Jorge Araya Navarro.
Dise?ador publicitario, programador Python/C++ y colaborador en Parabola
GNU/Linux-libre.
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From dima at minignu.minidns.net  Mon Jun 16 09:51:05 2014
From: dima at minignu.minidns.net (dima at minignu.minidns.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:51:05 +0300
Subject: [Assist] ati radeon -- blank screen
Message-ID: <yphitx7lqj1y.fsf@galaxy117.il.marvell.com>

Hi.

   After migration from freshly installed Arch to Parabola the screen is
   blank. Otherwise the system works - I can blindly login to it and
   issue commands.

   Currently I am talking about a text-only (console) installation,
   I dont have X installed. 

   The video card I have is ATI Radeon HD 5450 Cedar. I know that
   non-libre kernel used the *CEDAR*.bin firmware. I also know that the
   FreeBSD successfully used the VESA driver for this card.

   How do I setup this ATI video hardware in Parabola ?
   Particularly, should the libre ati-radeon driver basically work
   without the firmware - if yes how do I setup it? If not - how do I
   switch to VESA?


Thanks,
  Dima.

From mtjm at mtjm.eu  Mon Jun 16 12:14:07 2014
From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:14:07 +0200
Subject: [Assist] ati radeon -- blank screen
In-Reply-To: <yphitx7lqj1y.fsf@galaxy117.il.marvell.com>
 (dima@minignu.minidns.net's message of "Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:51:05
 +0300")
References: <yphitx7lqj1y.fsf@galaxy117.il.marvell.com>
Message-ID: <87r42pnjao.fsf@mtjm.eu>

>    Currently I am talking about a text-only (console) installation,
>    I dont have X installed. 

It's mostly the same: the radeon kernel driver does modesetting for
console and X.  Use the "nomodeset" kernel argument to disable it
(e.g. add to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub and run
update-grub).

>    How do I setup this ATI video hardware in Parabola ?
>    Particularly, should the libre ati-radeon driver basically work
>    without the firmware - if yes how do I setup it? If not - how do I
>    switch to VESA?

It doesn't work without firmware on recent cards, this one might be new
enough.  Use nomodeset and the VESA driver, xf86-video-vesa.
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Thu Jun 19 17:44:38 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:44:38 +0200
Subject: [Assist] ati radeon -- blank screen
In-Reply-To: <87r42pnjao.fsf@mtjm.eu>
References: <yphitx7lqj1y.fsf@galaxy117.il.marvell.com>
 <87r42pnjao.fsf@mtjm.eu>
Message-ID: <20140619194438.38974190@X60>

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:14:07 +0200
mtjm at mtjm.eu (Micha? Mas?owski) wrote:

> It doesn't work without firmware on recent cards, this one might be
> new enough.  Use nomodeset and the VESA driver, xf86-video-vesa.

It doesn't work without the firmware on recent *kernels versions* with
modesetting.

The main issue with vesa is that some resolutions might not be
available. I wonder if tools like i915resolution exist for the radeon
video bios.

Also I had no success with vt console switching in VESA. (switch
between Xorg and tty).

Denis.
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Sat Jun 21 17:58:06 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:58:06 +0200
Subject: [Assist] no init after installation
In-Reply-To: <1402579863.2368.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <86a99j11wg.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <1402579863.2368.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20140621195806.624174fd@X60>

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:31:03 -0600
Jorge Araya Navarro <elcorreo at deshackra.com> wrote:

> El jue, 12-06-2014 a las 02:07 +0300, Dima escribi?:
> >   Seemingly no init script is run, and there is indeed no init and
> > no /etc/inittab on the system... Wiki says Parabola uses sysvinit,
> > but it is not onboard.... If it is systemd... The bottom line -
> > sytem does not init!
[...]
> 
> You can chroot into your installation
> https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Chroot and then be ready to make the
> fixes your system needs. I don't know which ones, since I don't
> understand completely your issue...
That's for fixing it.
Before that the issue should be understand.
Systemd websites documents some variables that you pass to the kernel
commandline in grub for debugging similar issues.

Example problem:
- ----------------
Your /etc/fstab has a block device that is not present when you boot,
so systemd waits for it.

How to find out the cause of the example problem:
- -------------------------------------------------
you go on systemd website and make systemd more verbose(for instance
by removing the quiet argument), in some cases you even can login inside
the system while it's not yet booted by passing some arguments.

How to fix:
- -----------
you chroot and fix the /etc/fstab and reboot
you then remove or don't set the debug kenrel arguments anymore.

Denis.
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From dima at minignu.minidns.net  Mon Jun 23 09:28:04 2014
From: dima at minignu.minidns.net (Dima)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:28:04 +0300
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
Message-ID: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>

Hi.

  I have installed the 'gnash', 'gnash-gtk' and 'lightspark' packages.

1. When I open 'addons' tab in IceWeasel, it shows there only the
'gnash' plugin. Shouldn't it show some of 'lightspark' either?

2. When I open e.g. YouTube (which before installation of gnash and
lightspark worked perfectly), the videos from there don't work, the area
where the video should has been shown looks scrambled.

Thus, what can I do best of 'gnash' and 'lighspark' ?

At least how do I make them not interfere in sites that do not require
them (probably 'html5' sites)?

Thanks, regards,
  Dima.



From nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 11:36:58 2014
From: nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com (nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:36:58 +0200
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net> (dima@minignu.minidns.net's
 message of "Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:28:04 +0300")
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
Message-ID: <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>


Hello !

See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=youtube-dl ?

It will permit you to download videos (it is better ^^). In order to
learn this software, write ? man youtube-dl ? in your shell.

-- 
Nicolas Floquet | www.pharmanerd.flqt.fr | www.adminpro.flqt.fr | 5, impasse du bois + 61450 La Ferri?re-aux-?tangs, Normandie, France | 06 32 93 03 51 | Mail r?dig? et sign? avec des logiciels libres (GNU/Linux , Emacs et GPG)

From dima at minignu.minidns.net  Mon Jun 23 11:46:12 2014
From: dima at minignu.minidns.net (Dima)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:46:12 +0300
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 (nicolasfloquet59@gmail.com)
Message-ID: <864mzbalx7.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>

Hi.

  I am aware of an option to download videos from YouTube, but YouTube
  was only an example.

  Actually where flash did not find a replacement is the 'infinite'
  streams, e.g. TV translations. Additionally some other sites still
  work via flash only. I recall some years ago Gnash succeeded to show
  such videos, I want to try what happens now.

Thanks,
  Dima.

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Mon Jun 23 21:40:52 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:40:52 +0200
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
Message-ID: <20140623234052.22e39732@X60>

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:36:58 +0200
nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Hello !
> 
> See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=youtube-dl ?
> 
> It will permit you to download videos (it is better ^^). In order to
> learn this software, write ? man youtube-dl ? in your shell.
Note that youtube-dl is already available in parabola, no need to use
aur:
community/youtube-dl
pcr/youtube-dl-current

Denis.
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From taro-k at movasense.com  Tue Jun 24 01:36:06 2014
From: taro-k at movasense.com (taro-k at movasense.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:36:06 +0900
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <20140623234052.22e39732@X60>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <20140623234052.22e39732@X60>
Message-ID: <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>

Hi,

I didn't try lightspark because gnash is much more active.
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnash.git/log/
https://github.com/lightspark/lightspark/commits/master

As I talked in
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnash-trunk-git/?comments=all
, the gnash website says we can play youtube with gnash
but now we cannot.
For youtube, you can request html5 player from
http://www.youtube.com/html5
(but we must turn on youtube cookie!!)

Some other websites can work and the others cannot with gnash.
FSF is saying gnash is one of the most important projects.
So if you are developer, you will find a lot of things to do there :-)

And if you must run some websites with flash right now,
I recommend an isolated OS with adobe-flash at this moment.

Taro

On 06/24/2014 06:40 AM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote:
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> On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:36:58 +0200
> nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello !
>>
>> See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=youtube-dl ?
>>
>> It will permit you to download videos (it is better ^^). In order to
>> learn this software, write ? man youtube-dl ? in your shell.
> Note that youtube-dl is already available in parabola, no need to use
> aur:
> community/youtube-dl
> pcr/youtube-dl-current
>
> Denis.
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From sadjehuty at runbox.com  Tue Jun 24 02:18:44 2014
From: sadjehuty at runbox.com (Charles Williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:18:44 -0400
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <20140623234052.22e39732@X60> <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
Message-ID: <20140623221844.4412f5921f88c7aa02b550da@runbox.com>


You can also view videos with the "YouTube ALL HTML5" mozilla addon, which is found here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/

It's licensed under the GPL v3.0.

Charles

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:36:06 +0900
"taro-k at movasense.com" <taro-k at movasense.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I didn't try lightspark because gnash is much more active.
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnash.git/log/
> https://github.com/lightspark/lightspark/commits/master
> 
> As I talked in
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnash-trunk-git/?comments=all
> , the gnash website says we can play youtube with gnash
> but now we cannot.
> For youtube, you can request html5 player from
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
> (but we must turn on youtube cookie!!)
> 
> Some other websites can work and the others cannot with gnash.
> FSF is saying gnash is one of the most important projects.
> So if you are developer, you will find a lot of things to do there :-)
> 
> And if you must run some websites with flash right now,
> I recommend an isolated OS with adobe-flash at this moment.
> 
> Taro
> 
> On 06/24/2014 06:40 AM, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:36:58 +0200
> > nicolasfloquet59 at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello !
> >>
> >> See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=youtube-dl ?
> >>
> >> It will permit you to download videos (it is better ^^). In order to
> >> learn this software, write ? man youtube-dl ? in your shell.
> > Note that youtube-dl is already available in parabola, no need to use
> > aur:
> > community/youtube-dl
> > pcr/youtube-dl-current
> >
> > Denis.
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-- 
Charles Williams <sadjehuty at runbox.com>

From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Wed Jun 25 21:24:45 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:24:45 +0200
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <20140623234052.22e39732@X60> <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
Message-ID: <20140625232445.1645eaf8@X60>

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:36:06 +0900
"taro-k at movasense.com" <taro-k at movasense.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I didn't try lightspark because gnash is much more active.
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnash.git/log/
> https://github.com/lightspark/lightspark/commits/master
Both could work together, and I guess it didn't change: lightspak
handled the newer version of flash which is totally different, and was
falling back on gnash for the older versions.
So the question is rather if gnash now handles the new versions of the
flash vm, like AVM2.

> the gnash website says we can play youtube with gnash
Well, it's rather youtube that was friendly enough to adapt itself to
gnash. They downgraded their flash version when they were detecting
gnash.

> Some other websites can work and the others cannot with gnash.
> FSF is saying gnash is one of the most important projects.
> So if you are developer, you will find a lot of things to do there :-)
Yes, in one hand not beeing able to run flash animations and videos is
a pain for free software (many people install flash instead).

In another hand there are a lot of workarrounds which permit not to
need a flash virtual machine. As a result the non-free action script
which is inside the flash file isn't run.
The problems are similar than javascript, and indeed action script is
very similar to javascript.

> And if you must run some websites with flash right now,
> I recommend an isolated OS with adobe-flash at this moment.
Some issues here:
1) adobe flash is non-free and has known privacy issues (for instance
the flash cookies, but there might be some others too).
2) depending on non-free software should be avoided at all costs, now
it'f your web browsing, then tomorrow it's your email, and so on, at
the end your main computer becomes that isolated OS. Then the isolation
became pointless.
3) Isolation is hard to do right:
   - if you run it on a vm, then vm escape is easy to do.
   - if you run it trough selinux it will be a pain to ajust the
     policies: the automatic tools don't do everything.
   - if you run it on separate hardware, then it's still an issue if
     the separate hardware has microphones, cameras and so on. gpg key
     extraction can be done by using a microphone under certain
     conditions, and keylogger is probably way more easy.

Denis.
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Wed Jun 25 21:30:35 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:30:35 +0200
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <20140623234052.22e39732@X60> <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
Message-ID: <20140625233035.59dbce82@X60>

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:36:06 +0900
"taro-k at movasense.com" <taro-k at movasense.com> wrote:

> For youtube, you can request html5 player from
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
> (but we must turn on youtube cookie!!)
Well, if it works, just make your browser delete all your cookies when
you close it.

Youtube was not that hard to get working, gnash is not the best
solution for it, beside the freedom issues that I mentioned before,
there are also some technical issues with flash virtual machines:

They're way slower than native video decoding, long time ago there
was a branch of gnash which was very fast(way faster than flash), it
had xv and had very good performances. Unfortunately when they
integrated it into the "master"/main branch, they lost its speed
benefits.

I prefer installing some workarround like linterna magica to the people
instead of gnash.

Personally I don't like viewing videos on a website and I strongly
prefer downloading them before. Beside my connection speed is very slow
sometimes and youtube wound't be fast enough when viewed directly.

Denis.
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From GNUtoo at no-log.org  Wed Jun 25 21:32:02 2014
From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:32:02 +0200
Subject: [Assist] lightspark+gnash
In-Reply-To: <20140623221844.4412f5921f88c7aa02b550da@runbox.com>
References: <86r42gkmaj.fsf@minignu.minidns.net>
 <87oaxjdfhh.fsf@biopteeepc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>
 <20140623234052.22e39732@X60> <53A8D606.9040105@movasense.com>
 <20140623221844.4412f5921f88c7aa02b550da@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <20140625233202.0a424eb9@X60>

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:18:44 -0400
Charles Williams <sadjehuty at runbox.com> wrote:

> 
> You can also view videos with the "YouTube ALL HTML5" mozilla addon,
> which is found here:
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/
Linterna magica is a good way to view youtube, there are some other
alternatives to it too, they're listed on trisquel documentation.

Denis.
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