From bromley at lavabit.com Mon Dec 3 01:27:11 2012 From: bromley at lavabit.com (bromley at lavabit.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:27:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Assist] Need help with wlan0 (YeeLoong) In-Reply-To: <87ehjx6e9e.fsf@mtjm.eu> References: <55427.94.126.178.1.1352793392.squirrel@lavabit.com> <87ehjx6e9e.fsf@mtjm.eu> Message-ID: <54759.199.239.183.212.1354498031.squirrel@lavabit.com> > I use NetworkManager, https://wiki.parabolagnulinux.org/Wireless_Setup > might help. Unfortunately, `pacman -S cnetworkmanager` fails: error: cnetworkmanager: missing required signature error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)) Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. From bromley at lavabit.com Mon Dec 3 01:29:57 2012 From: bromley at lavabit.com (bromley at lavabit.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:29:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Assist] How to open Yeeloong? Message-ID: <37588.199.239.183.212.1354498197.squirrel@lavabit.com> Hello! I would like to check Yeeloong's internals, e.g. motherboard, but I can't open the back panel. The problem is the part that is near the battery. How to open it? From mtjm at mtjm.eu Mon Dec 3 16:53:50 2012 From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Assist] Need help with wlan0 (YeeLoong) In-Reply-To: <54759.199.239.183.212.1354498031.squirrel@lavabit.com> (bromley@lavabit.com's message of "Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:27:11 -0500 (EST)") References: <55427.94.126.178.1.1352793392.squirrel@lavabit.com> <87ehjx6e9e.fsf@mtjm.eu> <54759.199.239.183.212.1354498031.squirrel@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <877goz9iw1.fsf@mtjm.eu> > Unfortunately, `pacman -S cnetworkmanager` fails: Try "pacman -Sy networkmanager" instead? cnetworkmanager was removed From Arch, removing it from mips64el. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bromley at lavabit.com Sun Dec 9 13:33:13 2012 From: bromley at lavabit.com (bromley at lavabit.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 08:33:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Assist] Compiling a kernel on yeeloong Message-ID: <45731.77.109.139.26.1355059993.squirrel@lavabit.com> Hello there I'm trying to compile a kernel. I'm getting `yeeloong_laptop config not found!!' on this step(0). Where can I find it? Can I use this(1) file? Where should I move it? (0) http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Compilation/Traditional#localmodconfig (1) /usr/lib/modules/3.6.8-1-1-LIBRE/kernel/drivers/platform/mips/yeeloong_laptop.ko.gz From mtjm at mtjm.eu Mon Dec 24 12:51:36 2012 From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:51:36 +0100 Subject: [Assist] Does pilot-link comply with the FSDG? (was Re: Reporting bugs) In-Reply-To: <50B215EC.7060409@gnu.org> (ineiev@gnu.org's message of "Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:58:20 +0000") References: <505C07D9.4070004@gnu.org> <87fw3ymd4i.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <50B215EC.7060409@gnu.org> Message-ID: <87pq1zobon.fsf_-_@mtjm.eu> > The pilot-link package [0] doesn't comply with the FSF's Free Distro > Guidelines [1]: it recommends using nonfree software (PalmOS) --- in fact, > the package is useless without it. > > [0] https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/i686/pilot-link/ > [1] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html I think it does comply. This part of the FSDG seems relevant: > In general, something that helps people who already use nonfree > software to use the free software better with it is acceptable, but > something that encourages users of the free software to install > nonfree software is not. > > For example, a free system distribution may have documentation for > users setting up dual boot systems. It could explain how to access > filesystems of the proprietary operating system, import settings from > it, and so on. That would be helping people install a free system > distribution on a machine which already has proprietary software, > which is good. > > What would be unacceptable is for the documentation to give people > instructions for installing a nonfree program on the system, or > mention conveniences they might gain by doing so. (I think these references to "documentation" instead of "software" are not significant, these issues are more obvious to appear in documentation.) I haven't used pilot-link, what I have read about it suggests that: - it's useful for users already using nonfree software on other machines - it might replace other nonfree software on the same machine, or make it easier to move to a free system - it refers to a nonfree operating system it works with I think the same arguments apply to binutils (Windows-specific tools) and GRUB (dual-booting documentation explictly naming Windows). Are there specific cases of pilot-link availability in Parabola encouraging users to start using PalmOS or other nonfree software? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ineiev at gnu.org Mon Dec 24 15:42:51 2012 From: ineiev at gnu.org (Ineiev) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:42:51 +0000 Subject: [Assist] Does pilot-link comply with the FSDG? (was Re: Reporting bugs) In-Reply-To: <87pq1zobon.fsf_-_@mtjm.eu> References: <505C07D9.4070004@gnu.org> <87fw3ymd4i.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <50B215EC.7060409@gnu.org> <87pq1zobon.fsf_-_@mtjm.eu> Message-ID: <50D877FB.5000307@gnu.org> Hi, Micha?! On 12/24/2012 12:51 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote: > > I think it does comply. This part of the FSDG seems relevant: > >> In general, something that helps people who already use nonfree >> software to use the free software better with it is acceptable, but >> something that encourages users of the free software to install >> nonfree software is not. >> >> For example, a free system distribution may have documentation for >> users setting up dual boot systems. It could explain how to access >> filesystems of the proprietary operating system, import settings from >> it, and so on. That would be helping people install a free system >> distribution on a machine which already has proprietary software, >> which is good. Hmm. pilot-link doesn't help people install a free system on their `pilots' (at the very least, I believe it doesn't advertise such an option). >> What would be unacceptable is for the documentation to give people >> instructions for installing a nonfree program on the system, or >> mention conveniences they might gain by doing so. > > (I think these references to "documentation" instead of "software" are > not significant, these issues are more obvious to appear in > documentation.) > > I haven't used pilot-link, what I have read about it suggests that: > > - it's useful for users already using nonfree software on other machines Being useful for nonfree software users is not bad; being useless unless one uses nonfree software is. > - it might replace other nonfree software on the same machine, or make > it easier to move to a free system It makes it easier to move to a _nonfree_ system, for instance, to migrate the handheld data to PalmOS. It doesn't make it easier to move to a completely free system: as long as somebody uses it, she'll use proprietary software; and if she uses a PalmOS device and really wants to abandon it, she certainly already has some program to export her data, and it doesn't matter whether that program is free or not --- she once used some proprietary programs, and after the migration she'll use neither PalmOS, nor that whatever exporter. > - it refers to a nonfree operating system it works with > > I think the same arguments apply to binutils (Windows-specific tools) > and GRUB (dual-booting documentation explictly naming Windows). GRUB is definitely useful without Windows; so is binutils: even when configured with Windows as the host or the target, the executables can run on top of a free emulator (in theory. I don't think it is a good idea for a FSDG-compliant distro to provide development packages specifically targeted to proprietary systems). Pilot-link supports no free system to `-link' to. > Are there specific cases of pilot-link availability in Parabola > encouraging users to start using PalmOS or other nonfree software? I'm not sure how to reword this into a valid argument; perhaps it can be done, but the maintainers hardly should wait for a real life example in order to decide that the package encourages using proprietary software. From mtjm at mtjm.eu Mon Dec 24 16:34:23 2012 From: mtjm at mtjm.eu (=?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Mas=C5=82owski?=) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:34:23 +0100 Subject: [Assist] [Dev] Does pilot-link comply with the FSDG? (was Re: Reporting bugs) In-Reply-To: <50D877FB.5000307@gnu.org> (ineiev@gnu.org's message of "Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:42:51 +0000") References: <505C07D9.4070004@gnu.org> <87fw3ymd4i.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <50B215EC.7060409@gnu.org> <87pq1zobon.fsf_-_@mtjm.eu> <50D877FB.5000307@gnu.org> Message-ID: <87ehifo1dc.fsf@mtjm.eu> Should we remove libimobiledevice?[0] for the same reasons? I'll report issues and fix packages depending on pilot-link. [0] https://parabolagnulinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/libimobiledevice/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ineiev at gnu.org Tue Dec 25 15:33:47 2012 From: ineiev at gnu.org (Ineiev) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:33:47 +0000 Subject: [Assist] [Dev] Does pilot-link comply with the FSDG? In-Reply-To: <87ehifo1dc.fsf@mtjm.eu> References: <505C07D9.4070004@gnu.org> <87fw3ymd4i.wl%lukeshu@sbcglobal.net> <50B215EC.7060409@gnu.org> <87pq1zobon.fsf_-_@mtjm.eu> <50D877FB.5000307@gnu.org> <87ehifo1dc.fsf@mtjm.eu> Message-ID: <50D9C75B.80209@gnu.org> On 12/24/2012 04:34 PM, Micha? Mas?owski wrote: > Should we remove libimobiledevice [0] for the same reasons? I think so. > I'll report issues and fix packages depending on pilot-link. Thank you!